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  1. I hate how Capcom just stopped making physical game releases in Europe for most of their games that aren't AAA titles.

    1. Blue Blood

      Blue Blood

      It really, really sucks. Even worse is that they stopped translating Ace Attorney into a variety of European languages at the same time. It's never a certainty that a Ace Attorney will get translated into English in a timely matter anymore, but at least we get the main games eventually. If you only speak German, French, Spanish, Italian, Portuguese etc... Fuck you, I guess?

    2. Polkadi~☆

      Polkadi~☆

      I wanted a physical release of... basically every Mega Man game released on Switch thus far. But fuck me for not wanting to buy them on PS4 instead, am I right?

    3. DanJ86

      DanJ86

      My Switch and PS4 are both struggling under the weight of low memory space. It does make getting none physical released games inconvenient.

    4. Thigolf

      Thigolf

      The german translations of the AA games were abysmal so I won't miss them, lol

      I know I'm speaking from a place of privilege, though.

    5. Mr Loopone

      Mr Loopone

      Yeah, it's been like this for years with the odd game or two but got worse since the Switch came out. The only physical Capcom games that I can recall that was released in Europe on the Switch were Ultra Street Fighter 2 and Street Fighter 30th Anniversary Collection. None of the Resident Evil games (not even 4), none of the Mega Man games and now Ace Attorney to that list. The PS4 is a bit more safer with the action/RE games but more nicher series such as Ace Attorney won't get a physical release, plus if Samurai Basara returns aka Capcom's ripoff of Samurai Warriors with hints of yaoi that'll be digital only. Thinking about it, I don't think Devil May Cry 4 was released physically on the PS4 but 1-3, DmC and 5 are.

      I'm actually surprised that Mega Man 11 came out physically for the PS4 and the Xbone but from memory didn't do as well as they hoped so no more physical in Europe. Then again the Mega Man series was a bit strange regarding rights since Nintendo (and Virgin Interactive RIP) published and/or distributed the majority.

  2. Official Sonic news:

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    Sonic news through leaks and movie set pictures:

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    1. Rabbitearsblog

      Rabbitearsblog

      Yep, it seems like the movie is getting more news than the actual Sonic games.  What is SEGA doing?

    2. BadBehavior

      BadBehavior

      Even that lone drop of water is generous. What we've got it more like the Atacama Desert, the driest place on Earth.

    3. Your Vest Friend

      Your Vest Friend

      It's easier to hide electronic documents than props on a physical set.

    4. Supah Berry

      Supah Berry

      Sonic ReColors is not "news through leaks", or is a source from a dubbing group not confimable as definite?

    5. Cosmos Rogue

      Cosmos Rogue

      I really don't understand the anxiety about the lack of an announcement for the next Sonic game. We know it's coming sooner or later, and I for one don't care if they miss the 30th anniversary. Constantly looking backwards with anniversary games helped get us into this mess!

    6. Sega DogTagz

      Sega DogTagz

      Its less to do with meeting the anny deadline, and more to do with the fact that we've been high and dry since 2017!

      Thats a long time! Of course people will be antsy.

    7. Iko

      Iko

      I like how the official Sonic news picture is a leaking faucet.

    8. Cosmos Rogue

      Cosmos Rogue

      @Sega DogTagz Games commonly take 3-5 years to make these days. The market that supported multiple Sonic releases a year in the 2000s just does not exist anymore, even if fans wish it were otherwise. Three and a half years after Forces and we're pretty much right on schedule for the next game.

    9. Milo

      Milo

      I couldn't care less about what the next Sonic Team game is (assuming that's the major/only 30th anniversary game) but I can also easily highlight the radio silence about any upcoming  projects overall (not just anniversary games) and note just how odd it is.

      Stuff like the Sonic Movie sequel, Sonic Prime, Lego Sonic, Sonic IDW etc. are multimedia projects and are being handled by other parties. In terms of games, we don't know anything and for a series that's supposed to be a flagship like Sonic, that's more than a little odd. Forget major anniversary games, there's no official confirmation of re-releases of older games or spinoffs to plug the gap either.

      We still have yet to know what they were planning to reveal at the binned Sonic SXSW panel one year on for Sonic. That tells me they either had no real contingency plans whatsoever in case something major happened (plenty of other businesses were able to re-adjust accordingly for game reveals/news after the pandemic kicked in), or they never actually had any new information to disclose at all.

      Even when you go back at look at the aftermath of the first two Boom games, which was arguably when the series was at its lowest point from the recent decade; and when game releases has started to slow down compared to the 2000s, you still had some announcements/releases of smaller games like Runners, another Boom game, and a couple of M2/VC re-releases of the older games.

  3. (tweet)

    Holy crap, great move by Sony!

    1. Rabid-Coot

      Rabid-Coot

      People panic bought toilet rolls etc last year lets get some of that going for our old stores.

    2. Ryannumber1gamer
    3. Supah Berry

      Supah Berry

      We did it, boys. There's few things as satisfying as a top dog company backpedaling their embarssing anti-consumer decisions.

       

      As with the Xbox Live Gold incident before, this is the kind of material that really shouldn't take Sony all the consumer backlash to realize how stupid that was, but here we are. But what matters now is our uproar was heard and answered. 

      The next time somebody has the balls to do us consumers wrong, we'll be ready. 

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    4. Teoskaven

      Teoskaven

      It's at least something. The shutdown is inevitable though, what they need to focus is a migration where they can secure the most possible products on modern digital stores so the old ones can be let go.

    5. Jango
    6. Strickerx5

      Strickerx5

      So now that we have Sony and Microsoft out of the way, I wonder what stupid decision Nintendo is going to try and pull but then fall back on.

    7. HPX

      HPX

      As if Nintendo would ever blink. From the outside looking in, I'd say Nintendo users have let them get away with too much already. 

  4. Man, I just wanna go out and see the world again
    feel like I'm actually living a life

    1. Solister

      Solister

      I mean. In my opinion, strict quarantine is the best solution for the COVID-19  problem, but if your country allows it, a walk around the block is definitely something healer. I think since March last year I did 3 of these, and it was just blissful, especially on a Sunday afternoon to get ready for another week.

      Of course, look for places and times when there are no people on the street. It quite gives an abandoned city feels, but it can help to get more in touch with the nature. Literally time freeze.

      And of course, remember to always wear a mask 😷.

      Make sure, if you can, to change the furniture disposal too, it definitely gives another energy to your house/apartment.

  5. I like Sonic and I hope he gets good games in the future.

    Thanks for reading.

    1. Blue Blood

      Blue Blood

      I like Sonic and hope he can stop disappointing me.

    2. Jack-al

      Jack-al

      I like Sonic but I don't understand the purpose of this status

  6. Besides the Sonic 1 & 2 Taxman thing Zippo said, he teased this:

    "(...)  I'll have another update on this before too long.

    You're going to go "Oh shit. No way." "
     
    Call me intrigued.
     
    1. Blue Blood

      Blue Blood

      Oh piss off

      He needs to actually share whatever information he supposedly has, or go away. What's stopping him from being more upfront instead of giving us crumbs and promising the whole cake at a later date? This is annoying. I don't know whether to believe him at this point, but I don't even care anymore. 

    2. VisionaryofSUPER

      VisionaryofSUPER

      I'm not invested in the whole thing to the point I'll be disappointed thankfully. But yeah, this carrot dangling on a stick is definitely going to catch him more heat especially if he's wrong.

      Oh well. I'll at least be happy if it's true. It a good thing I'm too invested in college finals to care as much.

    3. Thigolf

      Thigolf

      I legit dunno what the deal is. If you know shit, corroborated it and you're sure it's true, just spill it. Part of it just feels like toying with us.

      That being said, I really don't care enough to be upset about this. Or to be super stoked, for that matter. I'm just along for the ride and go "huh" whenever he updates his shit. 

    4. Supah Berry

      Supah Berry

      "The wait'll be worth it"

    5. Jack-al

      Jack-al

      Unleashed plz.

      I agree with Thigolf on the "Not caring" part, it's just dumb rumors and fun speculating for me, not a big deal and I'm here for the ride too, it's gonna be fun in the meantime of waiting for actual news.

    6. Speedi

      Speedi

      Yeah, I understand people's frustration with his vauge wording and implied knowledge but it is still just a bunch of rumors at this point. 

      As much as I want them to be true I'm not giving the guy any blind faith.

  7. Pitch me a Sonic (as in the franchise) themed avatar and I might use it on here, I'm in the mood for a sonic profile pic

    Go wild, don't hold back

    1. Teoskaven

      Teoskaven

      The witch villain from Tails' Sky Patrol.

    2. Strickerx5
    3. Diogenes
    4. AWild No.1 washed up gamer
    5. Blue Blood

      Blue Blood

      What is your current avatar? Ia it Mickey Mouse peering out from behind a shower curtain. I suggest you go for a GIF of Sonic in the Casinopolis shower.

    6. Ryannumber1gamer

      Ryannumber1gamer

      @Blue Blood

      It's from The Wonderful World of Mickey Mouse, the final short has Mickey and Minnie's "friendliness" portrayed as something absolutely horrifying as they attempt to break into Donald and Daisy's house to take care of them while they're sick.

      It's one of the best gags in the whole series of shorts IMO lol.

  8. I just found out Mark Cerny was involved with Sonic 2 and my mind is freaking blown

    1. Shaddy Zaphod

      Shaddy Zaphod

      I got this confused with renowned piece of shit Mike Cernovich at first and was extremely concerned. Glad it was actually a cool dude instead

    2. neezTHEhuman

      neezTHEhuman

      He was the lead at Sega of America in the early 90's and persuaded Naka to re-join Sega (he temporarily left after Sonic 1) and shift development of Sonic 2 to America.

  9. ForcesSpring.gif.712af04e268beb6644ecd497bee0e918.gif

    I think this was the moment where I just cracked on Forces.

    "Our physics suck!" "Eh, just ducttape a spring there"

     

    1. Blue Blood

      Blue Blood

      The invisible springs on ramps are so strange. Generations, Colours, Unleashed... They already used scripted ramps, and so does Forces when it doesn't have springs. So the springs don't even do anything except break the illusion of a functioning physics system if your didn't already notice that ramps were scripted.

      My only really guess is that springs will forcibly launch Sonic into the air, which is the intended purpose of ramps. Forces has a weird issue where Classic Sonic sometimes sticks to walls and ceilings and rolls along them at high speed instead of rolling off them. The best way to explain it is that he very briefly acts like hesitating the Spikes Wisp. It happens if Sonic was in a ball state either from jumping, rolling or something else like the flippers in Casino Forest. If that issue was persisting with simply rolling off ramps, springs would be a very easy, slapdash fix.

  10. The Indie World showcased one great looking game after the other and then randomly dropped "Btw House of the Dead remake" in an ending montage like it's nothing lol

    1. Blue Wisp

      Blue Wisp

      wait they WHAT

      HotD remake?
       

      where

      how

      why

      what

    2. Thigolf
    3. Blue Wisp

      Blue Wisp

      Oh it's that old ass remake that they announced like 4 years ago.

      It's finally coming out holy shit.

      Hope it's not Switch-exclusive.

    4. Mr Loopone

      Mr Loopone

      House of the Dead remake? Now that does sound interesting since that hasn't been ported since the Saturn era and was a rushed port job too...

      (as a look at the developer...)

      Hmm... Well... Ehh... It's harder to screw up a rail shooter but then again Rambo exists.

  11. I want a Slice of Life Sonic show with as many characters as possible, thanks

    1. Teoskaven

      Teoskaven

      Wasn't Boom supposed to be slice of life?

    2. Thigolf

      Thigolf

      A little bit, I guess? It certainly has elements, and some episodes have them more than others, but it's mainly a sitcom with a hard focus on comedy rather than focusing on the lives and relationships between characters, even if moments like that sometimes slip through.

    3. Wraith

      Wraith

      A ducktalea type sonic show where every continuity is on deck would be ideal 

    4. Thigolf

      Thigolf

      ...yeah, okay, screw slice of life, I want what Wraith suggested

    5. Ryannumber1gamer

      Ryannumber1gamer

      Boom's issue is that it felt the need to shoehorn action into every episode, and the action was rarely not greatly done. You have episodes that's actually really wacky and funny like the Eggman roommate episode, but the last two minutes has to have a sudden action scene of Sonic breaking into Eggman's base just because.

      Other episodes gets so desperate that Eggman will just realise he's doing something other than attacking, and just randomly decides to do it as obligation.

    6. Wraith

      Wraith

      Sonic is an action serial to me. Yhe slice of life box people have been trying to cram it in for the paat decade doesn't really work imo. 

    7. Thigolf

      Thigolf

      I get that, but the thing is that, because it's an action series, basically all of the material focuses on it so much that I would kinda love a series (or even just a mini series) focusing on scenarios where they just...hang out, are friends, etc. No pressure, no ending worlds, no Eggman attacking, just seeing the characters interact in scenarios where something isn't on the line.

      I think it'd be refreshing after the decades of world domination squashing, resistance building and world saving. Just a breather in between the action.

    8. Blue Blood

      Blue Blood

      Boom was definitely a slice of life sort of show. There wasn't much about the relationships between the the cast, but it was rather mellow and chilled and focused on the daily lives of the characters. I wouldn't really want another such show, or one that was even more about the personalities of and relationships between the characters. That's really, really not what I look to Sonic for.

    9. StaticMania

      StaticMania

      How about 8 characters...

  12. I'm really curious how long it'll take for the marketing team to spill the beans about Colors Remastered.

    1. Strickerx5

      Strickerx5

      Any other franchise and I'd say that an announcement this week was imminent. But right now I'm 50/50 on it being soon.

    2. Soniman

      Soniman

      Once naptime is over 

    3. Marcello

      Marcello

      Mean Bean Machine Ultimate Edition confirmed! 

    4. Wraith

      Wraith

      They might have meant to put this news out in june for all we know. 

    5. Milo

      Milo

      marketing team just got a surprise three month paid vacation

      game announcement cancelled, the game will now just quietly show up on shelves in november

       

       

       

       

       

       

      (if TSR is any indication, maybe they'll reveal it this week or next week. that's what happened after the walmart leak if memory serves me right)

  13. I wish Pacman 99 had some fun unlockables. Playing for fun is fine, because, y'know, it is a fun game, but I can't help but look at the ticket system Tetris 99 had going for it and think "I want that here, too".

  14. I want F-Zero back.
    I'm not even a big fan of racing games but... I'd just really love to see what a modern day, HD F-Zero would look and feel like.

    1. Strickerx5

      Strickerx5

      but Thigolf

      what gimmick can they do with it

      modern fans won't like it if it's an updated version of the thing people liked back then right? right.

       

      Hell, come to think of it, another excuse people always gave was that it would cut into Mario Kart's sells. Guess what franchise has been absent for the last half a decade...

    2. Thigolf

      Thigolf

      Imagine the horror of Mario Kart 8 Deluxe not selling 50 million lifetime, but only 48 million. They'd go bankrupt!

      Seriously though, part of me gets the "We need a new gimmick" in the sense of "F-Zero sold worse with each game and we need to find something to make it appealing" but.. it's been over 15 years. C'mon. And looking at a GBA F-Zero and going "This didn't sell, truly this is doomed"...very questionable.

      And the thing is...they don't even need a new gimmick to appeal to current crowds. What kind of genre has been a pretty fucking huge hit the last few years? Battle Royale. F-Zero is arguably a fucking battle royale racer! 40 racers at the same time, permanent KOs - it's basically already there. Just...make a F-Zero like X or GX, just market it a bit differently, and you're freaking golden, right? Fuck, make it free to play and monetize it with skins or some shit, at this point I'd take it. Just stop letting it rot, please.

    3. Dejimon11

      Dejimon11

      So here’s the thing. Nintendo really doesn’t believe that there’s an audience for a new F-Zero game. Given that they went all out with GX and they tried to make the franchise bigger by giving it an anime but people just weren’t buying it. 
       

      So I can see the method to their madness with them thinking that they need so gimmick in order to spark interest in the general public. I know the argument is “they made 4 NSMB which are all the same” but people actually buy those games. 
       

      Really the new gimmick that they need to do is just give it online giving how gaming has changed in the last 15 years. The whole Mario Kart killed it is a dumb argument given that the fact that Nintendo made 3 excite games on the Wii so they can have co-existing franchises.

    4. Thigolf

      Thigolf

      It took them so many tries to get FE off the ground until finally one of them clicked and look where the franchise is now.

      The entry of the franchise that has been on their second worst selling console didn't do too hot, big woop, it's been close to two decades, could you please try again? If you make another game and it does awful on the Switch of all consoles, fine, you at least gave it a shot. But I think they need to stop being hung up about those numbers.

    5. Supah Berry

      Supah Berry

      I'm glad Cap. Falcon has moved on to a better place with the rest of the neglected

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    6. Mr Loopone

      Mr Loopone

      If a new F-Zero game is in development or even just a port of GX with difficulty balancing comes out, I'll buy it. That along with Wave Race and 1080 Snowboarding are locked up in the drawer never to be opened again especially with current Nintendo.

      Think it was more down to lack of interest from Nintendo themselves rather anything else. They were burned out when the anime didn't do well as they hoped and Climax sold a really small amount something like just over 5000 copies within its launch period. Climax would have sold more than that had it come out in the West. Nintendo saying that it would cut into Mario Kart sales despite that both games are for different demographics (F-Zero is skill, Mario Kart is luck), it's like saying Gran Turismo cuts into the profit of WipEout or Forza cuts into the profit of Project Gotham Racing, actually the latter sort of happened... GX actually did well enough to make it to Player's Choice, something that we also add is that the Gamecube wasn't a good seller and people were buying the console when it was dirt cheap.

      Having that Nintendo Land minigame probably stung more than anything... Not all games need a "gimmick" and besides the F-Zero series did have one that differentiates from Mario Kart, a track editor. That alone is a gimmick that you rarely see in racing games.

      @Dejimon11 Regarding Excite, that wasn't a good seller either. Excite Truck had done decently for an early Wii game but its the other two, Excitebots wasn't released in Europe and was a limited Club Nintendo game in Japan while World Rally was stuck on WiiWare. Doesn't help that Monster Games left Nintendo after the Xenoblade New 3DS port.

    7. Strickerx5

      Strickerx5

      Off topic but god I loved Excite Truck. Was actually the first game I ever played on the Wii. Need to find my disc and rip it into Dolphin sometime.

    8. Dejimon11

      Dejimon11

      @Thigolf don’t forget that if Awakening had bombed the franchise would have died. The series was literally on its last legs. 

    9. Wraith

      Wraith

      I'm not convinced a straightforward F Zero revival would sell all that well but I'm not sure if a gimmick is what's needed. I think what mostly needs to happen is a refresh to the characters/artstyle to make it more "modern" ala Fire Emblem Awakening.

  15. I feel like some fans are expecting waaay too much from a remaster that is retailing for 35 bucks as a limited edition

    If this has any significant content upgrades, awesome, but I wouldn't go in expecting it just cause it's called "Ultimate".

    1. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      Its been four years dude, fans have gone insane.

      If all we get is a remaster with some bells and whistles then people will be mad

    2. The Deleter

      The Deleter

      It's not. People in the loop have stated that there will be new content as well.

    3. Thigolf

      Thigolf

      Oh? I haven't heard about this.

    4. Mr Loopone

      Mr Loopone

      Usually to add a subtitle (bearing in mind that it is rumoured) would mean that there are additions. Had it not had Ultimate but instead Remastered, it would have been more or less a resolution boost judging by Sega's terms.

      Outside of the language dubs and make it 1080p/60fps (or 4K on PS4 Pro?/PS5/Xbox Series X), there's only the unused Sonic Simulator stages that would require polishing and bug fixing as well as restoring the boss dialogue that was unused. I don't expect a lot since even the original game had conventional controls. Maybe a physical bundle with some sort of gift since many limited editions have something in?

  16. Y'all think this will be announced in a vacuum or will they finally deliver on the new Sonic news format they promised a year ago and just unload a couple of announcements they have?

    1. Wraith

      Wraith

      announced by itself, probably this month

    2. TheOcelot

      TheOcelot

      No announcements. Everything will just leak.

    3. Chili Dawg

      Chili Dawg

      genesis does what nintendirects

  17. The Sonic Marketing team who haven't communicated in months

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    1. Milo

      Milo

      "throw out a silhouette of sonic in planet wisp and attach a cryptic clue to it, stat!"

  18. Colors 4k 60fps lets go

  19. I'll just post "The new Sonic game will be revealed this week" every week and I'll be right eventually 

    1. Diogenes

      Diogenes

      save some time; "the next sonic game will be revealed" is just as true, but shorter and only needs to be said once

  20. (tweet)

    Geez, simmer down, Knuckles.

    1. Blue Blood

      Blue Blood

      I'm trying to figure out how Knuckles' mouth and muzzle are supposed to work there and I just can't.

    2. AWild No.1 washed up gamer

      AWild No.1 washed up gamer

      You know me da fighting freak knuckles.

    3. Piko

      Piko

      Damn Knuckles, what did the 32X do to you?

  21. I find it kinda funny that Latin America and Brazil get Sonic accounts in their native language, but Sega Europe doesn't have accounts that post in anything but English. 

    1. Blue Blood

      Blue Blood

      SEGA Europe really seems like a totally separate company half the time...

      Remember those cringingly awful "SEGA Central" videos that SEGA Europe used to make? The guy who presented them in their original format, Jim Dyer, is now back with SEGA as Product Marketing Manager.

  22. Sonic Boom was so fascinating. It's amazing how hard they flubbed the whole project.

    1. Blue Blood

      Blue Blood

      SEGA sabotaged it. I don't mean that they wanted it to fail, but the way that they handled the development of RoL by forcing it onto the Wii U exclusively when it was already relatively late into development for other systems means that they obviously weren't concerned with it being any good.

    2. Wraith

      Wraith

      Reading about the game's development makes the whole thing legitimately feel like a hit job. Its hard not to feel bad for the developers under those circumstances even if i never would have beem interested in the final product. 

    3. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      Wasn't Sega of Japan the ones who pitched the idea to begin with? How do you sabotage your own idea 

    4. Nix

      Nix

      Sega self-sabotage is a tale as old as time.

    5. Polkadi~☆

      Polkadi~☆

      More like bad timing, Boom could have been just a boring game rather than a buggy one if there wasn't the whole Nintendo exclusivity deal. But the fact that Sega pushed for the port to happen even though the engine didn't support Wii U, and offered no help in getting the engine port to happen...

    6. PC the Hedgehog

      PC the Hedgehog

      The cartoon and Fire and Ice were both really good tho

    7. Blue Blood

      Blue Blood

      Fire and Ice was fine. It definitely wasn't "really good" by any stretch, but it was fine.

    8. Soniman

      Soniman

      I'm still not sure what the point of making an exclusivity deal on a failing console was any way 

    9. Blue Blood

      Blue Blood

      Nintendo were desperate, whilst SEGA always seems to look at the short term. If they got a cash incentive from Nintendo purely to sign the exclusivity deal on Sonic for a short time, SEGA would probably have lept at the chance without considering how they might result in low sales and hurt the development of games currently in the pipeline. 

    10. Ryannumber1gamer

      Ryannumber1gamer

      I hate thinking about what RoL could've been if SEGA hadn't tripped them coming out of the gate. That first trailer had some genuinely interesting environments present, along with the hints of a more detailed storyline.

      It's hard to say what kind of game RoL might've been if it hadn't got shoved to the Wii U. We already know how much of the game had to be both significantly downgraded, and how much time in general had to be wasted in order to get Cryengine to work on a system it was never intended for. Could've easily seen some of that time going to developing the gameplay much more, and polishing up the game in general. Hell, even a stabilised framerate would make those running sections a lot more fun in general.

      There's still other aspects that was always going to be against them though. The game's plotline had no chance after SEGA got through butchering what was an interesting plot and degrading it into a jumble of random events happening one after another.   

    11. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      Sega being short sighted may as well be their MO.

    12. Dejimon11

      Dejimon11

      Assuming things went the way that they wanted it just would have been Jak and Daxter but with Sonic characters. 

  23. -> M2 Project has a Patreon
    Ruh roh

    1. AlphaRuby

      AlphaRuby

      is this something that would trigger sega's lawyers

    2. Supah Berry

      Supah Berry

       

    3. Ellipsis-Ultima

      Ellipsis-Ultima

      Apparently it’s for the modelling, not for themeselves.

  24. I just hope Sonic gets a bigger budget again.

    1. Blue Blood

      Blue Blood

      The talk about budgets is, as far as I'm aware, 100% speculation on our part. Do we have any reliable sources that back up the notion that spending on Sonic games has been cut considerably, or is it all just guess work? I'm convinced that Sonic games are have been increasingly made on the cheap ever since the critical failure of Unleashed and the critical AND commercial failure of Boom, but I'd love to see some proof.

      SEGA seem to be of the mind that Sonic games will perform just as well commercially whether they get top billing or not. They can continue to pump out mediocrity without much investment and the series will still get sales. This is probably why they decided to cut back on the spin-off and side games too. They weren't usually particularly big sellers, so they could bring in the same or even more revenue by not bothering with them as often.

      Unleashed really is the last time that a Sonic game felt like a AAA product. Forces even did the unthinkable and sold for a budget price right out the gate. That was definitely a price more fitting for such half-baked and content-void game, but it was surprising to see that SEGA thought so too. 

    2. Jack-al

      Jack-al

      We know Lost World and Boom bombed... hence the whole "crisis" of budget and quality fallout during the Forces and TSR era, Mania is a long and beautiful game but still feels indie.

      It's not confirmed but not hard to put 2 and 2 together,

    3. Blue Blood

      Blue Blood

      Generations is a much smaller game than any 3D Sonic before it, apart from Colours. Sonic 4 looks like it was made using whatever spare change Iizuka could find under the sofa cushions.

    4. Milo

      Milo

      @Blue Blood Don't forget, they gradually pared back on marketing on Sonic games after Unleashed, and then just stopped promoting them in the mainstream entirely after Boom: RoL/SC flopped. The last television commercial for a Sonic product that wasn't the movie was for the social media account...and it was only shown on [adult swim] of all placed. The only reason Forces showed up on TV at all was because it was a prize you could win in a Chuck E. Cheese sweepstakes event.

      As for production budgets--if the budgets have actually stayed the same since Unleashed, that comes across as worse in retrospect given how sales for subsequent Sonic games have declined after Unleashed. The question then shifts to how are they using that budget to begin with, at least in terms of production values. The gradual increase of recycled assets/identities from past games* and continuing to wring out use of the overspecialized Hedgehog Engine (among other things) can't be ignored by this point.

      *Special mention to Lost World reusing assets and gimmicks across the same game in "new zones", 2D Mario a la mode

    5. Blue Blood

      Blue Blood

      FWIW, the Hedgehog Engine was originally made with the intention of it being licenced out to third parties, but that seemingly never came to fruition. And the Hedgehog Engine 2 was used for Puyo Puyo Tetris 2, M&S Olympics 2020, Olympics 2020 (as in the realistic one, not the M&S one) and Sakura Wars. SEGA CS2 seem to be using the Hedgehog Engine 2 as their in-house engine for several projects.

  25. WHO IS IT WE'RE FIGHTING FOR
    INSIDE THIS CRAZY FIRESTORM
    WHEN NOONE'S LEFT TO SAVE THE WORLD?

    1. Blue Blood

      Blue Blood

      In the distance I see a lot of foam

      SHINING 

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