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    Thigolf reacted to azoo in Sonic 30th predictions   
    I don’t think it’s that easy to write off, even if I’m having a REALLY hard time believing him. He apparently gave news of Colors Ultimate to MykonosFan on Retro a good few months before it got to us.
    Best case scenario for him he could be legit, but I believe if he has any intel it’s probably a mix of real and fake sources. Or that he found the Colors Ultimate listing way before any of us and has been waiting on a time it was convenient to bring it up as “part of the plan” lol.
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    Thigolf reacted to Blue Blood in Being Optimistic About Sonic, The Franchise and The Future   
    I see this point brought up a lot. You're not wrong; Forces isn't close to being Sonic '06 bad. But that's not really why Forces gets as much hate as it does. Force is "meh" to the nth degree, and almost comically misses the point on everything that it tries to do. The dark storyline that can't hold a consistent tone for even one scene, the Mania tie-in and use of Classic Sonic, the return of Boost gameplay that's gimped to the extent that it makes Generations' Green Hill look complex, the tiny levels, the most basic character creator ever, the bland visual and audio design, the fact that most of its hole-ridden plot takes place on the menu, the uselessness of most of the characters in the story, the absolute rock bottom production values... That fact that it took four years from the release of Lost World to deliver what is a functional Generations follow-up that fails to understand or recapture the magic of said game. And the fact than Forces came hot on the heels of Mania.
    Seriously on that last point. Over 20 years since the last true Classic Sonic game and SEGA finally delivered with a bunch of indie developers at the helm and it was met with universal praise, the likes of which Sonic hadn't actually seen since the Dreamcast. Classic or not, it was unheard of for a Sonic game to do this well critically. The game was swimming in positive press. And Forces brought that all crashing down just months later with its aggressive mediocrity. I think it may be the case that Forces actually outsold Mania, because at the end of the day the market for cool-looking 3D games is always going to be bigger than sprite-based 2D side-scrollers these days (outside of Mario), and the people talking about Forces negatively online aren't all the same people who actually played and enjoyed it. 
    You may have strong feelings about Forces one way or another, or you might even be totally ambivalent towards to it. But I don't think that you can really say with a straight face that Forces doesn't beckon all of the vitriol it gets. Forces built up a lot of steam for itself pre-reveal and pre-release. SEGA themselves were talking about focusing on quality and regaining the trust of fans. But the game was, in the eyes of many, nothing more than a damp squib. And to someone like me who's been through it all in the series' history, it was something of a kick in teeth not unlike Sonic 4. All talk and no walk. 
    After Forces managed to be such a letdown in so many critical areas that it promised to deliver on and how it took so long to materialise... yeah, I understand the "doom and gloom". I don't necessarily agree with it mind you, because this series had me jaded a very long time ago and I routinely expect Sonic games to miss a very low bar anyway. The series has gone quiet since Forces (and TSR if you remember that game exists). It left us on a bum note and hasn't done anything to inspire confidence since.
    EDIT: Just for clarification, I'm not saying "Forces is objectively bad", since on re-reading my post it does sounds like that might be what I'm implying. My point is that a collection of factors, including Forces on its own own merits, the generally disappointing nature of Sonic games over the past 2 decades and the juxtaposition for Forces and Mania next to each other, make it pretty clear why morale in the online, vocal fanbase might seem low. 
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    Thigolf reacted to Blue Blood in Sonic Generations: the forgotten “good” Sonic game   
    I honestly feel like I was saying all this ten years ago, but the loudest voices in the fanbase were still calling Generations an all-time great of video games with its only substantial flaw being that it was too short. There was some pretty extreme tunnel vision going on back then.
    Generations is a decent game, a 7/10. It's definitely well on the good side of the spectrum, no question. But it's a heavily curated experience that sorely lacks depth. It's a platformer with 18 levels, 7 bosses and a final boss divided amongst 2 play styles. Each level takes only a few minutes. There's virtually no story to speak of and the hub is basically an interactive menu. That's makes good a game that's tiny. Teeny tiny! And it sorely lacks an identity; it had this problem when it was new simply because it was a celebration of the past, but that's been doubled down on by Mania and Forces aping much of its premise. There's filler content in the form of some very slap-dash missions that recycle the levels you've already played in very uninteresting ways, and I seriously doubt that anyone is eager to replay many of them. 
    When you get into the meat if the regular levels, they don't really match up the platforming contemporaries of its time or the previous Sonic games. The levels are constructed like a series of set pieces that will play out more or less exactly the same every single time. The game has a physics engine for Sonic's movement, but Sonic's physics are invisibly overriden all the time, changing his speed and direction in unnatural ways. This is completely unlike the more innovative platformers of the 2000s and 2010s and makes Generations seem a bit half-arsed by comparison. Or at the very least, discourages repeat playthroughs by homogenising the gameplay experience.
    It lacks the depth of the games that it's supposed to be emulating and celebrating. It doesn't offer the same amount of content as it's contemporaries. The platforming genre has moved on in the past ten years, and Generations remains the critical pinnacle of 3D, with the 3D games following it widely regarded as duds or failing to capture the same magic.
    Generations, following on from Unleashed and Colours, should have marked the beginning of an upwards trend for 3D Sonic games. But as time marched on, Sonic couldn't match Generations again. People have "forgotten" about it because it was never amazing outside the scope of just how dire things had been for the series in the 2000s. To say that it's been forgotten though is totally wrong. Once people got over the hype of a decent Sonic game, they more or less settled on thinking "yeah its pretty good" and the series has failed to keep people engaged every since.
    tl;dr Generations isn't bad or forgotten, but it is unremarkable beyond its novel use of nostalgic elements at the time and for being better than Sonic "the first good 3D game in the series" Colours. Now that the shock factor is gone, there's not a great deal to talk about because the series hasn't progressed or improved since and we're back to boring or bad 3D Sonic games.
     
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    Thigolf reacted to JezMM in Sonic Generations: the forgotten “good” Sonic game   
    At the time Generations came out, it was a boon of goodwill and optimism for the future.  Finally, they'd done two "great" Sonic games in a row, Colours wasn't just a fluke!
    ...Turns out... Colours and Generations as a one-two punch, was a fluke.
    Essentially, the lukewarm reception of Episode 2, Lost World and Forces, and the abysmal reception of Sonic Boom, has meant Sonic Generations has been downgraded from the harbinger of "Oh shit, Sonic really is good again guys!" to just "yeah, Generations is one of the ones worth playing".  The grandeur of being the latest release has faded, and now while it's still considered one of the high points of the series alongside 2, 3&K, Colours and Mania... We have also had Lost World, Boom and Forces to confirm that no, Sonic isn't good again, he's still as inconsistent as he's always been.  The ratio of good to mediocre to bad Sonic hasn't really changed since what it was before Generations.
    Basically, when Generations came out, the reviews and essays were all "Sonic has had a rocky time in 3D... until now!"  But the games since have returned us to the status quo: "Sonic has had a rocky time in 3D".  It's sadly, once again, as true a statement now as it was before Generations.
     
    (Note to pitchfork grabbers, the above is all written within the context of general opinion outside of the fanbase, where Colours and Generations are considered the only universally good 3D Sonic games - I know Colours is contentious and that most of us would say SA1/SA2 are high points, but most people outside the fanbase would disagree).
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    Thigolf reacted to Diogenes in Do you guys ever get tired of people telling you Sonic is garbage   
    Not nearly as much as I'm tired of it being true. Obviously it's no fun to have something you like get bashed on the regular, but the series has been facing serious problems for a long time now; it's largely earned its reputation. And I feel like a lot of the bashing comes with at least some degree of sympathy; it's not just that Sonic's an easy target, but I think a lot of people, whether they consider themselves fans or not, have some fond memories or lingering respect for the series, and bashing what it's become is a way of venting and commiserating over it. Of course there's always going to be some assholes, but every fanbase has to deal with some assholes.
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    Thigolf reacted to Blue Blood in Do you guys ever get tired of people telling you Sonic is garbage   
    I get tired of the fact that Sonic regularly is garbage. Hearing about it is just part and parcel of being a fan.
    Whilst I really don't care for all the articles and videos that open with "Sonic had a pretty rough transition to 3D and has struggled to find his footing ever since" (and all the parodies have worn thin too), they're not exactly wrong either. SEGA has never made a concerted effort dispell those thoughts by releasing consistently good games. The franchise seems to take more missteps than it ever takes steps in the right direction.
    However, nobody who's worth paying any attention to or worth discussing Sonic with will only tell you Sonic is garbage. I can see why it would get tiresome if you are consistently hearing that. My best advice to you would be to look elsewhere. You're allowed to like Sonic and don't need to feel bad for it.
    We all want Sonic games to get better. We've been wanting that since around the 2000s, so that's up to 20 years depending on who you ask. How do you KNOW they'll get better? Because I've been watching them flounder between alright and awful for the past decade, with the only exception in that time being Mania. 
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    Thigolf got a reaction from Redemption in Sonic Racing Rumors - "It's happening, FOOLS!"   
    It's lame, man.
    I can see Sonic's world in HD all the time. I can play new games with him all the time. I can see Sonic's friends all the time. I can play with them all the time. I can read new comics with him soon. I could watch a TV Show with him that ended just a little while ago.
    This series was the one series where I could experience old Sega Worlds in new visuals, see old favorites I haven't seen in forever, get to know new ones. Give the series an amazing variation of tracks and music in all kind of different styles. They honestly didn't even scrape the bottom of the barrell with the potential of franchises Sega has, and now chances are high they abandone the concept alltogether.
    Will it probably be fun? It's Sumo, of course it will. Would I enjoy it? If it's anything like the first two, sure.
    Is this still an absolutely immense waste of potential if the whole Sega angle is dropped? Yes. And that bums me out.
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    Thigolf got a reaction from UltraGizmo64 in Sonic Channel   
    Sonic Channel 2021 features pairs, it seems - starting with the classic duo, Sonic and Tails!
    The Website with a story, a history of the two characters and the other formats
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    Thigolf reacted to azoo in Sonic 30th predictions   
    I just wanted Sonic to roll in a ball down a hill and it work for once..
    This entire franchise is a monkey's paw. It just never runs out of fingers to uncurl.
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    Thigolf reacted to Wraith in Sonic 30th predictions   
    Fuck the comic, let's shoot for Honey in Mania 2
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    Thigolf got a reaction from Dr. Detective Mike in Sonic Channel   
    Sonic Channel 2021 features pairs, it seems - starting with the classic duo, Sonic and Tails!
    The Website with a story, a history of the two characters and the other formats
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    Thigolf got a reaction from Someguy in Sonic Channel   
    Sonic Channel 2021 features pairs, it seems - starting with the classic duo, Sonic and Tails!
    The Website with a story, a history of the two characters and the other formats
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    Thigolf got a reaction from StaticMania in Sonic Channel   
    Sonic Channel 2021 features pairs, it seems - starting with the classic duo, Sonic and Tails!
    The Website with a story, a history of the two characters and the other formats
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    Thigolf got a reaction from Sonictrainer in Sonic Channel   
    Sonic Channel 2021 features pairs, it seems - starting with the classic duo, Sonic and Tails!
    The Website with a story, a history of the two characters and the other formats
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    Thigolf got a reaction from Ellipsis-Ultima in Sonic Channel   
    Sonic Channel 2021 features pairs, it seems - starting with the classic duo, Sonic and Tails!
    The Website with a story, a history of the two characters and the other formats
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    Thigolf reacted to Tracker_TD in SEGA 60th- Sonic week (December 2-9, 2020)   
    They outright said what the weeks would consist of at the start of the event, and this week ultimately wasn't too dissimilar to what the other weeks had. If you expected game news this week, you just played yourself. 
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    Thigolf reacted to Wraith in SEGA 60th- Sonic week (December 2-9, 2020)   
    Any leak that mentions competing with Mario can be discounted by default.
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    Thigolf reacted to Tracker_TD in Sonic 30th predictions   
    I was talking about the current one everyone's crying doomsday over. Even in that case, the article outright says packaged games made a profit. The digital games suffered, but I'm still not seeing a huge cause for concern here even then. 
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    Thigolf got a reaction from Tracker_TD in Sonic 30th predictions   
    I can almost say you'll get a Sonic wallpaper on 2nd December.
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    Thigolf got a reaction from Jack-al in Sonic 30th predictions   
    I can almost say you'll get a Sonic wallpaper on 2nd December.
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    Thigolf got a reaction from Jango in Sonic 30th predictions   
    I can almost say you'll get a Sonic wallpaper on 2nd December.
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    Thigolf got a reaction from Syntax Speedway in Sonic 30th predictions   
    I can almost say you'll get a Sonic wallpaper on 2nd December.
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    Thigolf reacted to Tracker_TD in Sonic 30th predictions   
    It might well be a nod to something, but I doubt it's something as obvious as "3 = Sonic Adventure 3". If anything I find it more likely that they used the SA image because one of the names given to that specific spiral is "The Golden Spiral", but even then.
    I'm sure in a year it'll turn out it was a hint that like, Katie has three favourite pizza toppings or something specific like that. 
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    Thigolf reacted to Zaysho in Sonic 30th predictions   
    lol I'm not expressing gratitude to Sega for doing the bare minimum and still fucking up as they do it.
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    Thigolf reacted to azoo in Sonic 30th predictions   
    They can just make a 3D Sonic game with gameplay better than okay + a complimentary gimmick and that'd be alright with me. I'm not even picky at this point, just give me a 3D game that doesn't suck and I'll eat.
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