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    Archie Sonic Main Discussion

    Well, some maybe, but I doubt most do. I think he avoids Amy because she can be overly clingy, and that being with her would restrict his freedom, which is perhaps the most important thing to Sonic. I don't think it means he doesn't like relationships in general, I think it just means he would only want a relationship that would accomodate his lifestyle.
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    Archie Sonic Main Discussion

    I can't say I'd object to that idea, either being asexual or simply just being very uninterested in romance. But I think romance can make things more interesting, I just don't want it to be the major focus which seems to be the case sometimes in this era of the Archie comic. I think the Sonic and Sally romance has created some great moments, and I honestly think the Antoine and Bunnie romance has actually helped flesh out both of their characters. Although I gotta disagree about Sonic not being able to please women, I'm sure there are some fangirls out there who would disagree with you on that one. 😛
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    Archie Sonic Main Discussion

    I just read the last Penders story, #157-#159. And honestly, I don't have much to say about it. I think it's OK, basically the plot concerns a scheme against Eggman, where a massive army of Metal Sonics attack Eggman, then wind up attacking everyone else. Turns out, they were created by Charles under royal orders when Sonic was thought dead, deactivated and then reactivated by... someone? To be honest, I get a bit lost as to why the robots were reactivated, by whom, and why they go haywire and start attacking Knothole when they were originally designed to protect it. Maybe I'm just being a bit thick, but I don't think the comic is terribly clear about it. Still, it leads to a nice plot where Eggman is at threat, and we get Shadow back, this time being far more in character than he was the last time we saw him. Nothing to much else to say really, no real angst or anything thankfully, the most notable part is Sonic's mum getting a lot of screentime being concerned about her son's safety, which I actually think is a nice touch. Otherwise, a pretty unremarkable end for the Penders era. I think the most ironic part is the B story in #158, which is an Off Panel story, which is about someone sabotaging the Sonic comic by showing various outtakes, but with Sonic and an editor to reply about how succesful the comic is doing. Just seems a little ironic when Archie would very shortly fire Penders, at least to me. I do agree that certainly so far, #126-#159(ish) is probably the weakest era of the comic so far. It does feel a bit tired, the plot point of Sonic going to space only to come back to Mobius where things have changed did seem to change alot of things for the worst, and seemed like an excuse to ramp up the angst and relationship drama. Not to mention, as it's been talked about on other threads, it does feel obvious that Penders wasn't interested in keeping any kind of influence from the games, and it does mean that the comic feels very divorced tonally from what the games were doing, especially in regards to Shadow being quite different from his game counterpart. I can't say I really hate any of it though. Again, I do think my standards are a bit lower than other fans, if judging from people's reviews of the recent IDW series is anything to go by, and getting into this after the Archie era has ended has meant that I don't have the same kind of investment in this comic that people would of had when it was still running. But still, this has been substandard, and compared to the kind of highs that I feel were achieved in issues #30-#50, it does feel like a low point, and a new head is required after Penders has been in charge for such a while now. Anyway, I'm excited to enter the Flynn era. I'm actually reading #160 while I type this, and boy, already is it an improvement. The art hasn't been this good for a long while, and Flynn's writing is such a drastic improvement. This should be fun.
  4. silvereye27

    Archie Sonic Main Discussion

    Excellent way of putting it really. It's why #155-#156 doesn't work for me, Sonic takes the girl he knew Tails had a massive crush on, goes after Sally when he finds out she is about to go off the market, and then when the plot is over, goes back to Fiona knowing that Sally is single and presumably will only go and try and get Sally when he feels like it. All with Penders writing Sonic as being the victim, when in reality he is acting like a chauvinist asshole. I think you put it pretty perfectly. Sonic is a free kindof guy, someone who likes to go on adventures, and I think would happily be up for some fun with an attractive lassie he may encounter in his adventures. I think Sonic as a bachelor is fine when there isn't any sleaze or manipulation to it. To me, Sonic isn't the type of guy who would seek out one night stands (or shall we say one night make out sessions, since this is a kid's franchise?). Rather, I think Sonic would just happily engage in that kind of thing if ever came across it. (Granted, Adventures of Sonic Sonic may of been a horndog, but then I think that was more the case of him being like a Looney Tunes or Animaniacs kind of character in that show.) So if the IDW Sonic was ever like that, the way you describe, I think that would work, although I'm not too sure how to handle it when it came to main girls like Blaze, Rouge, etc. The whole bachelor thing probably works better with 1 issue characters who are never seen again, maybe not with regulars who then have their history of having past experience with Sonic. But I think you could get away with it, even if it is just something like a "thank you for saving me" kiss like Bunnie gives Sonic in #152. I suppose the issue with Archie Sonic is the whole thing with Sally, since Sonic is interested in her, unlike game or IDW Sonic where Amy's affections are one sided. I just don't think it works, although from what I understand Sega had Archie drop the Sonic and Sally love thing entirely, and that apparently it is implied that Sally and Nicole are meant to be an item, which is fascinating to me, at least from where I am in the comic right now.
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    Sonic Mania Adventures (Part 5 Available Now)

    I think this might be the best Metal Sonic has ever been. Love how is animated and how much personality and menace he conveys without speaking. It is a little anticlimatic, but then this is a free animated Youtube series, so I don't think you can really complain too much. I think the little character specific past 4 episodes hold up better, but still, Mania Adventures has been a very fun ride.
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    Archie Sonic Main Discussion

    I sortof agree, I'm not a fan of writers like Joss Whedon and Steven Moffat whose characters often seemingly do nothing but quip at each and always have witty put downs for everyone. I don't hate Penders writing, I just think it is noticable for what is meant to be a comic for kids. And you are right, that whole nanites thing definetly seems like something from SATAM. I'm not sure what to think of Sonic being a bachelor. I mean, I guess it fits his character type, I could see Sonic in a more mature setting being the type who goes around having 1 night stands. I just don't think it really works in a comic meant for kids, and especially when we've been setting up since the very beginning that him and Sally are probably going to wind up together anyway. I wonder if Penders was inspired by James Bond for it considering how much he likes to reference Bond in the comic. That's interesting. I can't say I have any strong feelings about Tommy, he's just kindof there for me.
  7. silvereye27

    Archie Sonic Main Discussion

    Sorry for the multi posts, but my browser has a habit of crashing, and I want to make sure I don't have to lose all this writing. #155: Oh dear. This cover. I actually knew of this comic cover from a while back in Cybershell's Archie comics retrospective where he showed an image of it about talking about the comic's decline before Penders was fired. Seeing it again, good lord. In a way, it's a nice shorthand to show how much the comic was too interested in angst and unneccessary romance. Makes you wonder if that cover alone may of concerned someone high up in Archie or played a role in Penders exit from Archie. You know, again, I actually like the plot of this 2 part story in theory. Evil Antoine basically tries to become King by slowly poisoning King Max and rising to royalty by being forcibly married to Sally. I like how competant Evil Antoine is, able to best Sonic in a fight, and has a plan that makes sense. Its just, again, this is an excuse for more angst and relationship conflicts. Sonic really has become a bit of a womaniser in these last few issues, with him having him hook up with Fiona at the start of this issue, much to Tails' shock, in this awful artwork. However, when King Max wants Sally to succeed him, and must get married, Sonic decides he has to find a way to stop it? It honestly makes Sonic look like a bit of a dick for hooking up with another girl, and then immedietly wanting to go back to Sally, especially when after this plot is over in #156, Sonic goes back to Fiona over Sally. Speaking of #156... #156: Oh god... OH GOD #156 sees Sonic try and stop the wedding, is too late, reenacts the Graduate, and gets help from Prince Elias. I must admit, it is cool seeing Elias again, he is probably the best part of Sally's family, and it makes sense for him to come back and bait Antoine into revealing his intentions. We get the real Antoine back and him and Bunnie get back together again, which is pretty nice, they are probably the best couple in the comic, especially with Sonic being a womanising douchebag apparently as he hooks up with the girl he knew his best friend had a crush on. This had potential to be good, but ultimately the fact that Sonic comes off really badly by wanting to prevent Sally's wedding but not wanting to be with Sally herself hurts the story tremendously, as well as basically betraying Tails. Again, if this didn't have such bad angst, this could of been a good little story, especially when I think Evil Antoine actually is a good villian and a nice counterpart to the very rash Evil Sonic. There is also a 2 part Dulcy story in #155 and #156. It's pretty basic, it's about Dulcy's backstory, about her being exiled, and then having to redeem herself when Eggman's roboticised dragons attack. Really, the only 2 notable things about this is the fact that dragons go through a cycle of reincarnation, basically to excuse the fact that Dulcy and the other dragons wind up melting all the roboticised dragons. Sucks to be every other species I guess. The other bit is the bizarre decision to reference Dulcy's abusive boyfriend from 50 issues, like anyone wanted that idiotic issue to be brought up again.
  8. silvereye27

    Archie Sonic Main Discussion

    Alright, reading on: #152: When #151 ended, with the real Sonic encountering the girls being flirty to them after Evil Sonic's schenanigans, I just assumed it was a joke that would return to the status quo. I was actually surprised when it turned out, this thing of Sonic and the girls is still going. Hell, the cover art of Sonic surrounded by the girls being judgemental with the caption "play on playa"(!?) seems again to go with this idea that apparently the sexual antics of Sonic is what they think people buy the comic for? The plot is fairly simple, ADAM decides to basically use nanomachines to take over the planet, Sonic and co stop him while Sonic is teamed up with girls while they wander why Sonic isn't coming on to them. Some misdirects in this issue. The cover features Rouge, when she isn't in the issue. The opening has The Wolf Pack turning up after what feels like a bit of an absence, only for them to run away from the nanomachines and then disappear. Even the issue story being called "Sonic's Angels" and the hint of Sonic having *shudders* sexual tension with the various girls doesn't feel like it goes anywhere, except at the end when Sonic saves Bunnie and she kisses him... which Sonic doesn't seem to mind? Also Snively is back and maybe an ally... yay? One thing that I get more and more with Penders writing is that I don't think his writing style gels well with Sonic. I don't think he writes in a very interesting way, lots of exposition, and it never feels like he is writing for kids. It comes across like a teenager trying to write smart stuff for an adult audience in a children's comic. I noticed this a bit in the Knuckles comic, but it definetly feels like in this issue as an example when the dialogue can come across as very dry and dull, without much wit, and very overblown emotional sentences combined with lots of flat exposition. Jon Gray is the artist again, and again, not a huge fan of his artwork. It really doesn't mesh well with the other regular artists for the comic at the time, and it's noticable how everyone's faces and body structures keep changing dramatically. Again, maybe on another series his artwork would work really well, but hear, I don't think it does. He also seems to always manage to make Sally look like the biggest bitch in the world when she chews Sonic out for being late. Also, kindof random, but can someone explain to me why the stars and stripes are in the background of this page? #153: Not much to talk about with this one. Start of a 2 parter, Eggman hires Nack the Weasal to assassinate Mina the Mongoose because he hates her music. Pretty nice goofy plot, the sort of shit I could imagine the Eggman from Sonic Boom could do, but we get lots of over dramatic dialogue and angst inbetween, with Antoine becoming cold hearted because of the war, Fiona bitching at Sonic for Evil Sonic trying to hit on her in #150, and Mina's boyfriend Ash intent on a pissing contest with Sonic. I do find the Antoine thing interesting, since #151 revealed that the Antoines have been reversed, with evil Antoine in this universe and vice versa, with more hints at it about his behaviour. Kindof interested to see how this goes eventually, especially with Bunnie. It's sort of weird how prominent Fiona has become, I mean I know she has been in the comic for a very long time but it is a little odd how out of nowhere she is basically a regular. The way she talks about Sonic being a jackass in #150 is just so weird to me. The plot of #150 has Sonic's evil lookalike crossing universes just to get laid, which I think is a goofy plot, probably too mature for a Sonic comic. Yet reading this you'd think this was some bad soap opera plot. The whole thing with Mina and Ash bugs me too, I thought we settled the Mina plot back in #123, which was dedicated to resolving the Sonic/Mina/Sally triangle, and that Ash was to basically marry Mina away, not just for more relationship drama. I will say my favourite thing about #153 is the B story where Aunt Rosie tells a short story about Pirate Sally having to rescue a stolen tail from Tails from Wizard Robotnik. I love the artwork, it feels like a callback to the Sonic comics from before #50. #154: Second half of the story, not much to say really. Ash breaks up with Mina because he thinks Mina still loves Sonic and secretly writes all her songs about him, fight ensures against Heavy and Bomb, Ash sacrifices himself with the last bomb to save Mina, in hospital Ash and Mina reconciliate while Sonic walks off sad like a bad soap opera. I don't mind the plot, it is pretty simple, and I do like how Eggman can be so petty to try and kill Mina over music, but the excuse just to engage in more love trianges and angst is what gets to me. B plot is pretty unremarkable, about following up on the nanites from #152, which winds up giving Tommy the Turtle wings. I find it interesting how much they are pushing Tommy, I think I read in a past issue from letters apparently alot of fans like him, which might be why he is becoming more of a main character at the moment.
  9. silvereye27

    Archie Sonic Main Discussion

    Pretty much. I'm going very slowly due to being busy and really only reading the comic in bursts when I'm in the mood to do so. I actually can't wait to hit Sonic Universe, I really like the idea of it and from the sounds of it, some interesting stories come out of it. The Flynn era in general sounds promising, even if ofcourse it has its low points, including this House of Cards story everyone loves to argue about. 😛 Coincidentally, I've been really getting into the Mega Man franchise in the last couple of months, and actually wound up reading through the Archie comic of it when I remember that Flynn had worked on it too. I actually really loved the comic, even if it had a couple of duff stories. I skipped the Sonic crossovers because I'd rather read them when I hit them in the Sonic timeline. So if Flynn's era of Sonic is as good as his Mega Man work, I think I'm in for a good time. I must admit though, I don't think the Penders era has been atrociously bad, even at its worst, at least in terms of writing. I dunno, I think maybe it's because I'm getting into this after it's all over, and that perhaps my standards aren't high. (I think the IDW run so far has been pretty good, but alot of fans seem to be having alot of various issues with it.) Honestly, I find alot of it a bit more goofy, rather than outright awful, like the weird focus on love triangles, and the way the comic can try and be overly serious, and seems to love killing off secondary characters at times. Will need to read issues #152-#159 to reach the end of the Penders era, may do that tonight. See if any last batshit things happen before he departs.
  10. silvereye27

    Archie Sonic Main Discussion

    Ha, you are right. I must admit, I do find the whole love triange and occasionally vague sexual nature of the Archie comic fascinating. I always wander what kids must of thought about it, whether they ever really cared about Sonic being with Sally or shipping him with other characters. I guess I just find it fascinating because I just can't think of any other kid franchise like that.
  11. silvereye27

    Archie Sonic Main Discussion

    Not sure if it was her next appearance, but she does indeed have a fight with Bunnie, purely because they didn't know they were on the same side which was a bit dumb. Heh, not sure I want to descend into talking about who the sexiest Sonic girl is. 😛 But Bunnie is pretty cool, and who doesn't love Southern accents?
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    Archie Sonic Main Discussion

    I'm not even sure. The Adventure 2 adaptation in issue #98 - I think - only has 2 segments, the first segment basically being a retelling of the City Escape level from the game, ending with a panel just saying to find out how it continues if you buy the game, and second segment being Shadow's backstory. I think in an issue afterwards, Sonic says something about Adventure 2 happening off screen and defeating Shadow, despite Tails, Knuckles and Amy all doing their own thing it seems like the implication is that Adventure 2 happened in the comic verse off screen.. I found it funny as well that Rouge in the comic gets literally a 1 panel cameo, and then only afterwards does she actually start popping up too. Also, as much as I kid about Sonic getting laid, how can you not get that interpretation from this panel at the end of #151?
  13. silvereye27

    Archie Sonic Main Discussion

    Sonic gets laid on milestone issues? That makes sense, it does feel awkward as they try to fit Shadow in. I actually found the Adventure 2 adaptation a while back funny due to how they condense it into one issue, with Shadow getting killed off off panel, which ofcourse in #124 they have to retcon so he survived in space so they can bring him back. Well, in #145-#149 he does. He's surprisingly chatty and not terribly menacing.
  14. silvereye27

    Archie Sonic Main Discussion

    Yeah, #149 - #150 are about Tails being the chosen one. It's very anticlimatic considering how long the whole chosen one thing about Tails has been in the comics since, what, that Tails miniseries which would of been something like nearly a decade ago from #149? It's basically a remake of #19, except with a thousand Sonics, it's a thousand Tails. The artwork when Tails goes super or turbo or whatever is very poor as well. Can't say I ever really cared about that whole little side arc about Tails being the chosen one whenever it popped up, but it definetly seems like a very half-assed conclusion for anyone invested in it. I also still think Mammoth Mogul is super lame, even if he managed to wipe out every single multi-verse except for 2.
  15. silvereye27

    Archie Sonic Main Discussion

    I've been busy lately, so took a bit of a break from reading the Archie run. Decided to start back up again, just reached #150. Honestly, I find #150 pretty hilarious due to how it is basically an erotic fan fic with the erotic bits removed, as evil Sonic replaces good Sonic so he can essentially go around having all the women of Knothole. I doubt that could ever happen in IDW's Sonic. The Sonic/Shadow/Metal Sonic 4 parter was OK, but it feels like the writer doesn't really *get* Shadow or Metal Sonic, so they come across as very out of character. Neat concept though for a 3 way fight, shame it never really materialises.
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