Celestia

I-I always just chalked it up to him being a very silly duck. This raises so many questions. How much Sonic #lore was never translated correctly? How much do we think we understand but is actually very untrue? What if Knuckles really IS a mole? IS SONIC FAST OR DOES HE JUST MOVE THE WORLD AROUND HIM?

I know there's no super solid evidence or confirmation, but the idea that Sonic 4 started as just a random Dimps Sonic game on mobile does kinda make sense. This was a time when stuff like the newer Classic Mega Man games were a thing so everyone knows they were clearly trying to cash in on that, the only question is who made the decision to do that (and when, I guess).

I think Z-Moves are cool but mostly just from an in-universe perspective? Megas are the kind of thing that are exciting both in that sense and as something to get someone hyped for a game.

I was just thinking the other day that I could see a Death Egg appearing since, well...the Death Egg Robots are here! It'd be kind of weird to bring them in and even call them Death Egg Robots and then...not have a Death Egg. Now whether or not it'd be playable, that's even more unclear. It'd be really cool though, we haven't really had an Eggman base in orbit in a 3D game unless you count, uhhh...the ARK? The Interstellar Amusement Park?

Here, you mean? Yeah, I could see that. I was thinking it was the same as the area in the first shot of the trailer, but it does kinda have it's own vibe... ...actually, I'm seeing some hexagonal patterns in the wall. Might be the same place as the one with those other hexagonal shapes? Edit: Y'know, considering the premise, it would make sense if Eggman had a few bases throughout the game. We don't know exactly what the format for this game is in regards to Zones and Acts, but I could see bases acting as settings for the bosses, maybe? Eggman's evil squad could be guarding them and stuff, and shutting the places down would obviously help with fighting back. Plus we already recycled Unleashed's "travel to this place and do a thing" format in Colours so why not do it again

I really wanna see more of that ruins Zone we saw briefly. Modern Sonic games have levels that fit the ruins trope, but this looks more like the "traditional", Labyrinth-y kind, if that makes sense? And yet I don't think it's a returning Zone, tho' it could very well be. Checking the trailer again for any other levels...that area at the very beginning of the trailer almost seems like an industrial from what I remember, probably an Eggman base or something? I just noticed there's this mechanical tree looking thing near the start. I don't...think it's familiar? As a stretch it could be a bad future take on a tree in Green Hill? Before moving on, I think this particular shot, as mentioned by Scott above: ...is that very same base. Maybe. Not sure what else it could be, and it would make sense since it's in middle of other scenes that are most likely the same place. On the other hand, I'm kinda lost trying to figure out where this is. There's some trees that look similar to trees elsewhere in the trailer but everything else in the background seems different? I think it's best to assume this is the same area as this next screencap. Okay, so I think the ruins here might be the same ones I mentioned earlier. Helping with this impression is that they cut to that very scene here, but they do definitely feel like they're from different scenes... The hints of Eggman's influence here are kinda interesting, I hadn't really noticed the pipes and stuff in the background before. One thing I can't figure out is if this is inside or outside the ruins...the lighting makes me think it's inside, but...eh, I'll chalk it up to the way they spliced these scenes together. I could see the forest outside and the inside being separate Zones, but it would also make sense if they were one in the same, since Marble and plenty of other levels throughout the series have both outside and inside sections. Aaand that's that. In conclusion: my best guess is that there's two or three levels teased by the trailer. It'd be nice to see some of these in action sooner rather than later. Hint hint, SEGA.

Well, it's cool they're finally releasing info on the game, but it still feels like we should've been getting all this over time the last few months. Wonder if they heard the complaints or if this was just on schedule, lol.

The ending you get for beating the game with all Emeralds as Sonic is very different, even though it uses some of the same animation. So yeah, I think as long as you can pull it off, getting all the Emeralds in one go is the "ideal." (Disclaimer: I haven't played the game myself yet but I watched a stream of someone's first run of the game.) I honestly really loved the final Zone. It seems decently tough without being unfair, and the gimmick in Act 2 is actually really neat in my opinion. And as for the setting and atmosphere and all that, well...it kinda reminded me of Carnival Night in places which, combined with it being an Eggman base and all, means I got a strangely similar vibe as EggmanLand from the whole thing? Is that just me? Either way, I love it.

Just a response to a small detail in there: Regardless, that and Longcrier's posts were really interesting reads. I love stuff like this, haha. On another note, not sure where else to say this and someone's probably pointed it out already, but I think it's adorable how, if a signpost is already on the ground (as opposed to the variant that falls in after defeating the boss), it bounces up into the air when you pass by it ala the Master System / Game Gear games.

I seem to recall he's been willing to defend Lost World's story, so it's kind of silly to paint him as someone who inherently rejects the games' stories. Not sure why we're meta discussing a real actual person's opinions on a video game series. It's not that serious, guys.

The only things about Forces I'd classify as "edgy" so far are Infinite's design and I guess his theme song. Everything else is pretty much I'd expect from a game in the same series as SA1. So...I don't get acting like it's too much or too little, which as far as I can tell is somehow the sides of the argument going on here.