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Well, it's not really news at this point that Trump is racist. And while this is the first time he attacked a congressman on that basis, it's not the first time he's gone after a congressman in such a way either. And if the GOP wasn't going to stand up for McCain after Trump spent months smearing him on Twitter after he died, they certainly aren't going to stand up for Democrat congressmen with an occasional chilly reception even in their own party. Beyond "Oh, what's he done this week," I think we're well beyond the point of people at large being used to it.

Savage.

He's also, for whatever reason, the only one with any long term experience with the franchise that Sega hasn't worked to try and chase away.

No. I think they should replace Takashi Iizuka and Sonic Team and replace them with a new untalented team.

I'm amused because they took made it a tie in to the movie held on the pedestal as perhaps the one thing that truly tried to make the Scooby Doo series go beyond the schlocky fun that it had been trapped in since the beginning. The movie that realized that EVEN THE IDEA of character development in a Scooby Doo property was just insane, but decided to completely run with it anyway as the framing device for much of the plot. And then they made it look pretty much like an episode of Scooby Doo Where Are You anyway. It's not good when you can tell from the thumbnail of the trailer alone that they missed the point. Frank Welker is increasingly a treasure to the franchise though. Even the shittiest of these movies it seems like he's the only one who knows what he's in and has fun with it (probably because he knows he's the only one who they couldn't just replace with increasingly bad soundalikes).

Username checks out. Because Tangle Good Sally Bad.

So there in fact is no difference to warrant a change in that viewpoint now.

Perhaps let something other than Huffington Post comment sections shape your view of character tropes in media. It's a rather outdated trait for a character to have since nowadays France is the de facto bully in world affairs that the US doesn't bother getting involved with; but not at all one that morphed into turning Bush-era right-wing sentiment (which was mocked even at the time) into popular American opinion either for against. Nor was it ever exclusively an American character concept in the first place. Nor was Antoine really much like he was in SatAM for too terribly long after SatAM ended anyway. And, again, the majority of people who play Sonic games or read the Sonic comics in 2019 aren't going to be ones who were having strong political opinions about current events circa-2003. It's hard to kick a field goal when you move goal posts to the moon.

This would be more of an argument if the comic had been cancelled when Penders was still working on it rather than long after deliberate attempts were made to line it up more with the games. And then it was rebooted. I imagine the overwhelming majority of the people buying IDW weren't even alive for Bush era politicking. Since, you know, FREEDOM FRIES and shit like that was over 15 years ago.

We should have Chris in the games then too.

I was told for literally a decade that the comics characters should stay in the comics. It was practically treated as a tautology around here for a decent amount of time. I don't think anything has warranted a change in that viewpoint now.

I would have thought that they would have gone the other way with it, honestly. Make an nVidia Shield kind of thing permanently docked.

I mentioned this early in the thread, but I guess it bears repeating: CTR is not the only worthwhile entry in the entire genre just because at the time it was new it was somewhat more skill based than MK64. It is not so much better in quality that it is beyond comparison to any game ever made before or since. People have not been standing around looking up to the sky and pleading with God for the past twenty years after CTR originally released because they only had highly lauded games in the Mario Kart and ASR series to play and their life therefore had no meaning. Regardless of whether STOP HAVING FUN tryhards have/had put it on a pedestal that can nearly touch the moon, the overwhelming majority of "people" who bought CTR bought it because they had a Playstation and that was the best kart racer on the platform. It would behoove you to stop treating it as if it was an officially sanctioned E-Sports title (or whatever) beyond reproach and assuming that everyone else treats it the same way. I "advice" you to mind your own damn business. If Pawn had felt the need to say something to KHCast directly for his behavior in this thread beyond what he already said, he would have done so.

Seems like the two were made for each other.

You know what is extremely common and easy for the moderation staff to grasp? You treating people who disagree with whatever dumb take you've decided to pretend you can support like they are too fucking stupid to form sentences. It's so easy to grasp that we've even had members express that they stop being comfortable posting in threads they were active in once you start posting in them. So you know what? This is your last warning on this nonsense. Argue the point and not the man, or don't post at all. Those are your two choices from now on when you come back, in any thread you post in; or we'll make it for you.

So why do you keep bringing it up every time it people start discussing it in this thread?

That's something that would have been a major concern when they actually have to make new assets for those older generation Pokemon.

While TV Tropes has a habit of jerking off about things they like so much that they find things that aren't actually present, there really wasn't any ambiguity about Adventure 2's story. There's a very dramatic difference in the tone and presentation of Adventure, Adventure 2, Shadow, STH'06 and Forces (even if the latter three dove deep off the joke end of the spectrum) and anything in any of the Mario RPGs; and about the only way they could be considered the same is if your only experience with both was reading a plot summary.

This is the correct reason. No one gives much of a glance at the Mario stories in the first place because they are nothing more than occasional history nods and flavor text. Sonic tends to try and make the stories the front and center part, so when they fall on their face in the process it's not something that can really be avoided.

So don't march in here and tell people that they are making stuff up to be mad about. They're charging 60 dollars for this game. They are releasing it in two versions. They haven't released a fully new Pokemon game in 3 years. They already released a throwaway game that was supposed to get them acclimated to the hardware and be easy for them to make (that they also charged $60 for and released in two versions). They have access to a console ecosystem where a game being released twice that will sell millions of copies both times is the perfect suitor for the kind of post-release support that any other game from any other developer/publisher would get when faced with such a backlash. Their reasoning for not bothering in the first place reads like a parody of the previous instances of them not putting effort in. It's an absolute perfect storm for people to take serious issue with what they are going to do, and that they have to do damage control at all this time should say enough about how angry it has made people. And coming out and saying that they are aware people are upset but no, they won't do anything, is telling people that they don't really care. And when they stop shitting out 3DS games running at 1080p for 50% more money than the actual 3DS games were, this will be a more reasonable argument to consider. Oh no. They'll have to add some 1337 tween motion to the models they largely already made and have reused several times for the throwaway gimmick feature they are putting in this game. How will they ever get a game out in time to sell 10 million copies unless they spend more than a year and $50 developing it? One more thing: Tell you what: I'm going to hold on to this. Next time you shit on something Iizuka or whoever at Sonic Team say trying to justify why a 3D Sonic game looks like a lazy rehash, or call out someone for trying to defend Sonic Team for releasing something like Forces, I'll bring it out just for you.

That while Mania and Forces wouldn't be the first games to miss the actual date of the anniversary they were purported to be celebrating, they would certainly be the first ones to miss them by well over a year. For this to be true we need to sidestep the fact that Forces was in fact barely marketed at all, to the extent of even denying review copies to media outlets. It had its requisite appearances at gaming conventions, but by the time E3 2017 rolled around most of the information about it before launch was buried in Nintendo Directs and livestreams about other games; and most of the information after was talking about the player OC. So, like, lol. "Heavily marketed." Now, going back to the game Sega actually didn't seem ashamed of from the start, the extent of Mania's status as a game "heavily marketed as such" was Sega first announcing it immediately after the series' 25th Anniversary, then showing the first trailer shown at ComicCon where Sega was having the series' anniversary party. This was when the game was still a year away from release, mind; so we have a pair of supposed 25th Anniversary games. Neither announced until after the actual date of the 25th anniversary. Neither released until well over a year after the anniversary year they were supposedly always celebrating was already over. Everything about the game's marketing from that point on was rooted around feel good nostalgia; the likes of which not far removed from what Nintendo trotted out for the first NSMB. They released snippets of the soundtrack between gameplay videos. They showed of spritework. They went so far as to put together an ad that was a virtual remake of a Sonic 2 commercial. If the fact that Mania didn't come out until 14 months after the series 25th anniversary wasn't enough to squash the idea that it was supposed to be the 25th Anniversary game, that they never acknowledged the point again outside of the context of a 25th anniversary party probably should have. Compare that to what they did with a game where they actually made a point about it being an anniversary game in the marketing: Or the interviews given about STH '06 deep into its development about how them realising early on that it's release window roughly coincided with Sonic's 15th anniversary inspired them to try and start the series anew on the PS360 instead of just another PS2-era game. Shouldn't even need to go over Generations. Those games being the ones to celebrate the series' milestones were touched on in interviews and the marketing long after they were announced. It was pervasive to what the games were, even if for STH '06 it was overshadowed by how terrible it was. Hell, the themes of how important it was to Sonic Team to reinvent the series to be the best it can be for it's 15th Anniversary, bigger and more impressive than ever before, were present in interviews for the game so late in development that it was past the point where it would have been clear to the people working on STH '06 that the fucking sky was falling.

Those famous Sonic dates, etched in stone amd known by everyone, of August 15th and November 7th.