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    Tornado got a reaction from Mr Silvia in Sonic 1 Prototype   
    I'mma tell you all a story. I've been in this community since 2003, and while I've never been part of the Retro set I've followed Retro since way back when Wai still regularly posted on it and had his name on the site title. And this release today:
     
    Is the biggest one since that Sonic 2 Beta. So hopeless was the chance of ever seeing this one that I remember a couple huge hoaxes that centered around someone digging it out of their attic or whatever and faking some screenshots for the lulz. So many blurry screenshots, vague descriptions of level layouts and off-screen camera recordings of level snippets dug up over the past two decades almost. Sparkling Zone, Clock ORK Zone, the Marble Zone UFOs, the crazy Labyrinth background art, the physics ball at Green Hill.
    https://www.sonicstadium.org/2021/01/sonic-1-prototype-now-available-to-play-for-the-first-time/
    It's all here, and all able to be checked out by the community for the first time. I was honestly nearly shaking when I saw Tracker start posting about it on Twitter.
  2. Thumbs Up
    Tornado got a reaction from Syntax Speedway in Sonic 1 Prototype   
    I'mma tell you all a story. I've been in this community since 2003, and while I've never been part of the Retro set I've followed Retro since way back when Wai still regularly posted on it and had his name on the site title. And this release today:
     
    Is the biggest one since that Sonic 2 Beta. So hopeless was the chance of ever seeing this one that I remember a couple huge hoaxes that centered around someone digging it out of their attic or whatever and faking some screenshots for the lulz. So many blurry screenshots, vague descriptions of level layouts and off-screen camera recordings of level snippets dug up over the past two decades almost. Sparkling Zone, Clock ORK Zone, the Marble Zone UFOs, the crazy Labyrinth background art, the physics ball at Green Hill.
    https://www.sonicstadium.org/2021/01/sonic-1-prototype-now-available-to-play-for-the-first-time/
    It's all here, and all able to be checked out by the community for the first time. I was honestly nearly shaking when I saw Tracker start posting about it on Twitter.
  3. Thumbs Up
    Tornado got a reaction from Semi-colon e in Sonic 1 Prototype   
    I'mma tell you all a story. I've been in this community since 2003, and while I've never been part of the Retro set I've followed Retro since way back when Wai still regularly posted on it and had his name on the site title. And this release today:
     
    Is the biggest one since that Sonic 2 Beta. So hopeless was the chance of ever seeing this one that I remember a couple huge hoaxes that centered around someone digging it out of their attic or whatever and faking some screenshots for the lulz. So many blurry screenshots, vague descriptions of level layouts and off-screen camera recordings of level snippets dug up over the past two decades almost. Sparkling Zone, Clock ORK Zone, the Marble Zone UFOs, the crazy Labyrinth background art, the physics ball at Green Hill.
    https://www.sonicstadium.org/2021/01/sonic-1-prototype-now-available-to-play-for-the-first-time/
    It's all here, and all able to be checked out by the community for the first time. I was honestly nearly shaking when I saw Tracker start posting about it on Twitter.
  4. Thumbs Up
    Tornado got a reaction from Tracker_TD in Sonic 1 Prototype   
    I'mma tell you all a story. I've been in this community since 2003, and while I've never been part of the Retro set I've followed Retro since way back when Wai still regularly posted on it and had his name on the site title. And this release today:
     
    Is the biggest one since that Sonic 2 Beta. So hopeless was the chance of ever seeing this one that I remember a couple huge hoaxes that centered around someone digging it out of their attic or whatever and faking some screenshots for the lulz. So many blurry screenshots, vague descriptions of level layouts and off-screen camera recordings of level snippets dug up over the past two decades almost. Sparkling Zone, Clock ORK Zone, the Marble Zone UFOs, the crazy Labyrinth background art, the physics ball at Green Hill.
    https://www.sonicstadium.org/2021/01/sonic-1-prototype-now-available-to-play-for-the-first-time/
    It's all here, and all able to be checked out by the community for the first time. I was honestly nearly shaking when I saw Tracker start posting about it on Twitter.
  5. Thumbs Up
    Tornado got a reaction from Supah Berry in Sonic 1 Prototype   
    I'mma tell you all a story. I've been in this community since 2003, and while I've never been part of the Retro set I've followed Retro since way back when Wai still regularly posted on it and had his name on the site title. And this release today:
     
    Is the biggest one since that Sonic 2 Beta. So hopeless was the chance of ever seeing this one that I remember a couple huge hoaxes that centered around someone digging it out of their attic or whatever and faking some screenshots for the lulz. So many blurry screenshots, vague descriptions of level layouts and off-screen camera recordings of level snippets dug up over the past two decades almost. Sparkling Zone, Clock ORK Zone, the Marble Zone UFOs, the crazy Labyrinth background art, the physics ball at Green Hill.
    https://www.sonicstadium.org/2021/01/sonic-1-prototype-now-available-to-play-for-the-first-time/
    It's all here, and all able to be checked out by the community for the first time. I was honestly nearly shaking when I saw Tracker start posting about it on Twitter.
  6. Thumbs Up
    Tornado got a reaction from qt.steeph in Sonic 1 Prototype   
    I'mma tell you all a story. I've been in this community since 2003, and while I've never been part of the Retro set I've followed Retro since way back when Wai still regularly posted on it and had his name on the site title. And this release today:
     
    Is the biggest one since that Sonic 2 Beta. So hopeless was the chance of ever seeing this one that I remember a couple huge hoaxes that centered around someone digging it out of their attic or whatever and faking some screenshots for the lulz. So many blurry screenshots, vague descriptions of level layouts and off-screen camera recordings of level snippets dug up over the past two decades almost. Sparkling Zone, Clock ORK Zone, the Marble Zone UFOs, the crazy Labyrinth background art, the physics ball at Green Hill.
    https://www.sonicstadium.org/2021/01/sonic-1-prototype-now-available-to-play-for-the-first-time/
    It's all here, and all able to be checked out by the community for the first time. I was honestly nearly shaking when I saw Tracker start posting about it on Twitter.
  7. Nice Smile
    Tornado got a reaction from TheOcelot in Sonic 1 Prototype   
    I'mma tell you all a story. I've been in this community since 2003, and while I've never been part of the Retro set I've followed Retro since way back when Wai still regularly posted on it and had his name on the site title. And this release today:
     
    Is the biggest one since that Sonic 2 Beta. So hopeless was the chance of ever seeing this one that I remember a couple huge hoaxes that centered around someone digging it out of their attic or whatever and faking some screenshots for the lulz. So many blurry screenshots, vague descriptions of level layouts and off-screen camera recordings of level snippets dug up over the past two decades almost. Sparkling Zone, Clock ORK Zone, the Marble Zone UFOs, the crazy Labyrinth background art, the physics ball at Green Hill.
    https://www.sonicstadium.org/2021/01/sonic-1-prototype-now-available-to-play-for-the-first-time/
    It's all here, and all able to be checked out by the community for the first time. I was honestly nearly shaking when I saw Tracker start posting about it on Twitter.
  8. Thumbs Up
    Tornado got a reaction from SaturnWolf in Sonic 1 Prototype   
    I'mma tell you all a story. I've been in this community since 2003, and while I've never been part of the Retro set I've followed Retro since way back when Wai still regularly posted on it and had his name on the site title. And this release today:
     
    Is the biggest one since that Sonic 2 Beta. So hopeless was the chance of ever seeing this one that I remember a couple huge hoaxes that centered around someone digging it out of their attic or whatever and faking some screenshots for the lulz. So many blurry screenshots, vague descriptions of level layouts and off-screen camera recordings of level snippets dug up over the past two decades almost. Sparkling Zone, Clock ORK Zone, the Marble Zone UFOs, the crazy Labyrinth background art, the physics ball at Green Hill.
    https://www.sonicstadium.org/2021/01/sonic-1-prototype-now-available-to-play-for-the-first-time/
    It's all here, and all able to be checked out by the community for the first time. I was honestly nearly shaking when I saw Tracker start posting about it on Twitter.
  9. Thumbs Up
    Tornado got a reaction from Indigo Rush in Sonic 1 Prototype   
    I'mma tell you all a story. I've been in this community since 2003, and while I've never been part of the Retro set I've followed Retro since way back when Wai still regularly posted on it and had his name on the site title. And this release today:
     
    Is the biggest one since that Sonic 2 Beta. So hopeless was the chance of ever seeing this one that I remember a couple huge hoaxes that centered around someone digging it out of their attic or whatever and faking some screenshots for the lulz. So many blurry screenshots, vague descriptions of level layouts and off-screen camera recordings of level snippets dug up over the past two decades almost. Sparkling Zone, Clock ORK Zone, the Marble Zone UFOs, the crazy Labyrinth background art, the physics ball at Green Hill.
    https://www.sonicstadium.org/2021/01/sonic-1-prototype-now-available-to-play-for-the-first-time/
    It's all here, and all able to be checked out by the community for the first time. I was honestly nearly shaking when I saw Tracker start posting about it on Twitter.
  10. Thumbs Up
    Tornado got a reaction from Ryannumber1gamer in Sonic 1 Prototype   
    I'mma tell you all a story. I've been in this community since 2003, and while I've never been part of the Retro set I've followed Retro since way back when Wai still regularly posted on it and had his name on the site title. And this release today:
     
    Is the biggest one since that Sonic 2 Beta. So hopeless was the chance of ever seeing this one that I remember a couple huge hoaxes that centered around someone digging it out of their attic or whatever and faking some screenshots for the lulz. So many blurry screenshots, vague descriptions of level layouts and off-screen camera recordings of level snippets dug up over the past two decades almost. Sparkling Zone, Clock ORK Zone, the Marble Zone UFOs, the crazy Labyrinth background art, the physics ball at Green Hill.
    https://www.sonicstadium.org/2021/01/sonic-1-prototype-now-available-to-play-for-the-first-time/
    It's all here, and all able to be checked out by the community for the first time. I was honestly nearly shaking when I saw Tracker start posting about it on Twitter.
  11. Thumbs Up
    Tornado got a reaction from McGroose in Sonic 1 Prototype   
    I'mma tell you all a story. I've been in this community since 2003, and while I've never been part of the Retro set I've followed Retro since way back when Wai still regularly posted on it and had his name on the site title. And this release today:
     
    Is the biggest one since that Sonic 2 Beta. So hopeless was the chance of ever seeing this one that I remember a couple huge hoaxes that centered around someone digging it out of their attic or whatever and faking some screenshots for the lulz. So many blurry screenshots, vague descriptions of level layouts and off-screen camera recordings of level snippets dug up over the past two decades almost. Sparkling Zone, Clock ORK Zone, the Marble Zone UFOs, the crazy Labyrinth background art, the physics ball at Green Hill.
    https://www.sonicstadium.org/2021/01/sonic-1-prototype-now-available-to-play-for-the-first-time/
    It's all here, and all able to be checked out by the community for the first time. I was honestly nearly shaking when I saw Tracker start posting about it on Twitter.
  12. Thumbs Up
    Tornado got a reaction from YuTwo in Sonic 1 Prototype   
    I'mma tell you all a story. I've been in this community since 2003, and while I've never been part of the Retro set I've followed Retro since way back when Wai still regularly posted on it and had his name on the site title. And this release today:
     
    Is the biggest one since that Sonic 2 Beta. So hopeless was the chance of ever seeing this one that I remember a couple huge hoaxes that centered around someone digging it out of their attic or whatever and faking some screenshots for the lulz. So many blurry screenshots, vague descriptions of level layouts and off-screen camera recordings of level snippets dug up over the past two decades almost. Sparkling Zone, Clock ORK Zone, the Marble Zone UFOs, the crazy Labyrinth background art, the physics ball at Green Hill.
    https://www.sonicstadium.org/2021/01/sonic-1-prototype-now-available-to-play-for-the-first-time/
    It's all here, and all able to be checked out by the community for the first time. I was honestly nearly shaking when I saw Tracker start posting about it on Twitter.
  13. Thumbs Up
    Tornado got a reaction from Harkofthewaa in Sonic 1 Prototype   
    I'mma tell you all a story. I've been in this community since 2003, and while I've never been part of the Retro set I've followed Retro since way back when Wai still regularly posted on it and had his name on the site title. And this release today:
     
    Is the biggest one since that Sonic 2 Beta. So hopeless was the chance of ever seeing this one that I remember a couple huge hoaxes that centered around someone digging it out of their attic or whatever and faking some screenshots for the lulz. So many blurry screenshots, vague descriptions of level layouts and off-screen camera recordings of level snippets dug up over the past two decades almost. Sparkling Zone, Clock ORK Zone, the Marble Zone UFOs, the crazy Labyrinth background art, the physics ball at Green Hill.
    https://www.sonicstadium.org/2021/01/sonic-1-prototype-now-available-to-play-for-the-first-time/
    It's all here, and all able to be checked out by the community for the first time. I was honestly nearly shaking when I saw Tracker start posting about it on Twitter.
  14. Thumbs Up
    Tornado got a reaction from Milo in Sonic 1 Prototype   
    I'mma tell you all a story. I've been in this community since 2003, and while I've never been part of the Retro set I've followed Retro since way back when Wai still regularly posted on it and had his name on the site title. And this release today:
     
    Is the biggest one since that Sonic 2 Beta. So hopeless was the chance of ever seeing this one that I remember a couple huge hoaxes that centered around someone digging it out of their attic or whatever and faking some screenshots for the lulz. So many blurry screenshots, vague descriptions of level layouts and off-screen camera recordings of level snippets dug up over the past two decades almost. Sparkling Zone, Clock ORK Zone, the Marble Zone UFOs, the crazy Labyrinth background art, the physics ball at Green Hill.
    https://www.sonicstadium.org/2021/01/sonic-1-prototype-now-available-to-play-for-the-first-time/
    It's all here, and all able to be checked out by the community for the first time. I was honestly nearly shaking when I saw Tracker start posting about it on Twitter.
  15. Thumbs Up
    Tornado got a reaction from Sonictrainer in Sonic 1 Prototype   
    I'mma tell you all a story. I've been in this community since 2003, and while I've never been part of the Retro set I've followed Retro since way back when Wai still regularly posted on it and had his name on the site title. And this release today:
     
    Is the biggest one since that Sonic 2 Beta. So hopeless was the chance of ever seeing this one that I remember a couple huge hoaxes that centered around someone digging it out of their attic or whatever and faking some screenshots for the lulz. So many blurry screenshots, vague descriptions of level layouts and off-screen camera recordings of level snippets dug up over the past two decades almost. Sparkling Zone, Clock ORK Zone, the Marble Zone UFOs, the crazy Labyrinth background art, the physics ball at Green Hill.
    https://www.sonicstadium.org/2021/01/sonic-1-prototype-now-available-to-play-for-the-first-time/
    It's all here, and all able to be checked out by the community for the first time. I was honestly nearly shaking when I saw Tracker start posting about it on Twitter.
  16. Thumbs Up
    Tornado got a reaction from CrownSlayer’s Shadow in Sonic 1 Prototype   
    I'mma tell you all a story. I've been in this community since 2003, and while I've never been part of the Retro set I've followed Retro since way back when Wai still regularly posted on it and had his name on the site title. And this release today:
     
    Is the biggest one since that Sonic 2 Beta. So hopeless was the chance of ever seeing this one that I remember a couple huge hoaxes that centered around someone digging it out of their attic or whatever and faking some screenshots for the lulz. So many blurry screenshots, vague descriptions of level layouts and off-screen camera recordings of level snippets dug up over the past two decades almost. Sparkling Zone, Clock ORK Zone, the Marble Zone UFOs, the crazy Labyrinth background art, the physics ball at Green Hill.
    https://www.sonicstadium.org/2021/01/sonic-1-prototype-now-available-to-play-for-the-first-time/
    It's all here, and all able to be checked out by the community for the first time. I was honestly nearly shaking when I saw Tracker start posting about it on Twitter.
  17. Fist Bump
    Tornado got a reaction from Snowragnarok in How this whole "tone" thing works anyway?   
    There's nothing inherently wrong with contrasting tones in a work, with the caveat that something that's explicitly comedic (especially things that aren't character driven) briefly becoming serious to try in service of a specific point (even if it's a frequent occurrence) tends in practice to be very different from something that is supposed to be a drama alternating between the serious story and something that's random and stupid; because what usually happens in that case is that the random and stupid elements undermine the rest of the serious story. That isn't to say that the former always works (which is why criticism about M*A*S*H in its later years is so common), but the context of the story, target demographic of the story and the medium used to tell it have effect on it as well; so much so that comedies frequently deliberately employ a shocking change in tone in service of the humor. That was the main schtick of Shaun of the Dead, for example; and a common thing used by the Coen brothers. There's also things like Boston Legal that employed it in virtually ever episode to great critical acclaim.And there's also a stark difference between a work having levity throughout even as it tackled serious issues as a dramatic movie (which something like Teen Titans virtually always did and Tarantino films have always employed to great effect) and:

     
     
     
     
    Like, it's notable that your examples of why it shouldn't be considered a big deal all are highly lauded TV shows and movies; since skill of the creator comes into play just as much as well. Let's look at something that's fucking garbage instead where it's clear how it can become a problem:
    This is a good scene. It wraps up a character arc from the previous two movies in the series, and even plausibly recontextualizes it as being something Bruce was struggling with the whole time. It shows how much Bruce cares for Dick Greyson and hopes for him to not go through the same mental anguish and bad decisions he did, even as he struggles with his own pain in his similar situation.
    It's in the same movie as this. This is also a good scene, playing well to both actor's abilities and showing a side of Tommy Lee Jones in particular that is rarely seen compared to his more deadpan humor; and is really well shot and scripted and executed slapstick.
     
     
     
    It's not a good scene for the same movie as the other scene; certainly not the same movie that has scenes like the above two alternate back to back constantly. Not only is the tone jarring (just one example of many where the movie takes turns being a silly Jim Carrey comedy and a retrospective look at the Batman character and his relationship with others in his world), but the tone seems deliberately changed to make. It doesn't make the funny parts funnier and the dramatic parts hit harder emotionally. It just works to cancel both of them out, seemingly on purpose; and make you question why they are in the same film. Jim Carrey and Tommy Lee Jones are both going to make silly faces and do Looney Tunes-level slapstick with goofy sound effects, so please don't feel bad or think too hard about Dick Greyson contemplating taking calculated revenge for when his parents were realistically murdered earlier in the film; even though the people that those two tones would appeal to basically have no overlap.
     
    To say nothing about when the sequel pushed both ends to even greater extremes and even worse returns.
  18. Thumbs Up
    Tornado got a reaction from Kuzu in How this whole "tone" thing works anyway?   
    There's nothing inherently wrong with contrasting tones in a work, with the caveat that something that's explicitly comedic (especially things that aren't character driven) briefly becoming serious to try in service of a specific point (even if it's a frequent occurrence) tends in practice to be very different from something that is supposed to be a drama alternating between the serious story and something that's random and stupid; because what usually happens in that case is that the random and stupid elements undermine the rest of the serious story. That isn't to say that the former always works (which is why criticism about M*A*S*H in its later years is so common), but the context of the story, target demographic of the story and the medium used to tell it have effect on it as well; so much so that comedies frequently deliberately employ a shocking change in tone in service of the humor. That was the main schtick of Shaun of the Dead, for example; and a common thing used by the Coen brothers. There's also things like Boston Legal that employed it in virtually ever episode to great critical acclaim.And there's also a stark difference between a work having levity throughout even as it tackled serious issues as a dramatic movie (which something like Teen Titans virtually always did and Tarantino films have always employed to great effect) and:

     
     
     
     
    Like, it's notable that your examples of why it shouldn't be considered a big deal all are highly lauded TV shows and movies; since skill of the creator comes into play just as much as well. Let's look at something that's fucking garbage instead where it's clear how it can become a problem:
    This is a good scene. It wraps up a character arc from the previous two movies in the series, and even plausibly recontextualizes it as being something Bruce was struggling with the whole time. It shows how much Bruce cares for Dick Greyson and hopes for him to not go through the same mental anguish and bad decisions he did, even as he struggles with his own pain in his similar situation.
    It's in the same movie as this. This is also a good scene, playing well to both actor's abilities and showing a side of Tommy Lee Jones in particular that is rarely seen compared to his more deadpan humor; and is really well shot and scripted and executed slapstick.
     
     
     
    It's not a good scene for the same movie as the other scene; certainly not the same movie that has scenes like the above two alternate back to back constantly. Not only is the tone jarring (just one example of many where the movie takes turns being a silly Jim Carrey comedy and a retrospective look at the Batman character and his relationship with others in his world), but the tone seems deliberately changed to make. It doesn't make the funny parts funnier and the dramatic parts hit harder emotionally. It just works to cancel both of them out, seemingly on purpose; and make you question why they are in the same film. Jim Carrey and Tommy Lee Jones are both going to make silly faces and do Looney Tunes-level slapstick with goofy sound effects, so please don't feel bad or think too hard about Dick Greyson contemplating taking calculated revenge for when his parents were realistically murdered earlier in the film; even though the people that those two tones would appeal to basically have no overlap.
     
    To say nothing about when the sequel pushed both ends to even greater extremes and even worse returns.
  19. Thumbs Up
    Tornado got a reaction from Lord-Dreamerz in Does SEGA Even HAVE to Listen to Us?   
    What a coincidence. So is Sonic Team.



    I don't try to pretend that I know better than Sonic Team, but I sure as hell can recognize that they set the bar pretty fucking low regardless of whether they are listening to anyone. Note the werehog, where they went out of their way to ignore pretty much everyone who was not part of Sonic Team in their quest to implement it.
  20. Thumbs Up
    Tornado got a reaction from LeviTheGreat in Was Sonic at any point the most popular video game franchise in the world?   
    Staggering rebuttal. I can't see how anyone can hope to compete with that argument. Quick question though, sportsfan:
     
     
    Since this is a Sonic message board, who is he trolling?
  21. Thumbs Up
    Tornado got a reaction from Indigo Rush in Was Sonic at any point the most popular video game franchise in the world?   
    In the US, Sega sold the farm on the 32X in the second half of 1994 and directed a lot of their advertising and development money towards that when it was dead by January 1995, at the expense of the base Genesis and the still selling Sega CD and even the Game Gear. They completely abandoned everything but the Saturn in the summer of 1995 when there was still a solid year and a half of life left in the console generation (moreso in Europe, where Nintendo never had the market dominance to begin with). Nintendo having a couple of years of mop-up duty made them win out in the end, but does not reflect the reality of the market as it was from 1991-1994 and especially 1992-1993; where Sega went from having maybe 5% of the market to being the market leader entirely at Nintendo's expense and entirely to Nintendo's surprise.
  22. Thumbs Up
    Tornado got a reaction from Indigo Rush in Was Sonic at any point the most popular video game franchise in the world?   
    Easily. It's hard to quantify 25 years later (especially when the final sales numbers of that console generation are so misleading); but Nintendo went from overwhelming market dominance the likes of which Sony wishes they could ever accomplish, from being synonymous with the word "videogame" for half a decade, to probably not even being first place in their home country (though the Super Famicom's early struggles weren't because of Sega). The entire market shifted to try and copy what Sega had done through their advertising and their games lineup, and Nintendo didn't start wresting control back away from Sega until Sega themselves started deliberately throwing it away at the end of 1994 (at which point it was too late for the both of them in the long run).
     
     
     
     
    Sonic was at the very forefront of that, the face of the company that had basically taken the videogame market away from Nintendo in the west and began the shift of the market away from Japan entirely; and there's no doubt in my mind that Sonic was the videogame property in the industry (that at the time was admittedly much smaller than it is today but nevertheless still extremely popular). It certainly was not Mario again until maybe SM64 came out; but even then I have my doubts in spite of how influential that game was due to how irrelevant the N64 was compared to the PSX.
  23. Thumbs Up
    Tornado got a reaction from KnuxDLX in Was Sonic at any point the most popular video game franchise in the world?   
    Staggering rebuttal. I can't see how anyone can hope to compete with that argument. Quick question though, sportsfan:
     
     
    Since this is a Sonic message board, who is he trolling?
  24. Thumbs Up
    Tornado got a reaction from LeviTheGreat in Was Sonic at any point the most popular video game franchise in the world?   
    Easily. It's hard to quantify 25 years later (especially when the final sales numbers of that console generation are so misleading); but Nintendo went from overwhelming market dominance the likes of which Sony wishes they could ever accomplish, from being synonymous with the word "videogame" for half a decade, to probably not even being first place in their home country (though the Super Famicom's early struggles weren't because of Sega). The entire market shifted to try and copy what Sega had done through their advertising and their games lineup, and Nintendo didn't start wresting control back away from Sega until Sega themselves started deliberately throwing it away at the end of 1994 (at which point it was too late for the both of them in the long run).
     
     
     
     
    Sonic was at the very forefront of that, the face of the company that had basically taken the videogame market away from Nintendo in the west and began the shift of the market away from Japan entirely; and there's no doubt in my mind that Sonic was the videogame property in the industry (that at the time was admittedly much smaller than it is today but nevertheless still extremely popular). It certainly was not Mario again until maybe SM64 came out; but even then I have my doubts in spite of how influential that game was due to how irrelevant the N64 was compared to the PSX.
  25. Thumbs Up
    Tornado got a reaction from Rabbitearsblog in Was Sonic at any point the most popular video game franchise in the world?   
    Easily. It's hard to quantify 25 years later (especially when the final sales numbers of that console generation are so misleading); but Nintendo went from overwhelming market dominance the likes of which Sony wishes they could ever accomplish, from being synonymous with the word "videogame" for half a decade, to probably not even being first place in their home country (though the Super Famicom's early struggles weren't because of Sega). The entire market shifted to try and copy what Sega had done through their advertising and their games lineup, and Nintendo didn't start wresting control back away from Sega until Sega themselves started deliberately throwing it away at the end of 1994 (at which point it was too late for the both of them in the long run).
     
     
     
     
    Sonic was at the very forefront of that, the face of the company that had basically taken the videogame market away from Nintendo in the west and began the shift of the market away from Japan entirely; and there's no doubt in my mind that Sonic was the videogame property in the industry (that at the time was admittedly much smaller than it is today but nevertheless still extremely popular). It certainly was not Mario again until maybe SM64 came out; but even then I have my doubts in spite of how influential that game was due to how irrelevant the N64 was compared to the PSX.
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