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  1. Someone asked the question; "Why isn't Angel Island floating Sonic Mania?"

    Taxman has answered:

     

    Doc Brown Great Scott GIFs | Tenor

    1. Big Panda

      Big Panda

      So Generations happened after S3&K in the classic timeline?

    2. Indigo Rush

      Indigo Rush

      It seems like it. So we have:

      Sonic 1 > Sonic CD (?) > Sonic 2 > Sonic 3&K > Sonic Generations > Sonic Mania > Sonic Forces

      As far as CW's reasoning, I guess this affirms that the Phantom Ruby is a bit of a plothole scapegoat if something doesn't make immediate sense. Why is "X" like this, why are they suddenly here? Phantom Ruby doin' weird things.

    3. Supah Berry

      Supah Berry

      I'm certain this was explained before back around Mania's release, but here is a bit more in depth. It also does suggest that despite looking different from the rubies in Forces, this one is not native to the Classic dimension. Which now brings up the question on how it got there, which again could be handwaved by it being a tear in the space-time continuum thing. 

    4. JezMM

      JezMM

      Biggest takeaway here for me is confirmation of canon that Generations caused a split-timeline with Mania being the new future that happened for Classic instead of Sonic 4, which makes me happy coz that's been my headcanon all along lol.

    5. Indigo Rush

      Indigo Rush

      So basically....

             Sonic Generations 
                           |
            ‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾‾
           |                                      |
      Sonic Mania                  Sonic 4
           |                                      |
      Sonic Forces            Sonic Adventure

       

      *deep sigh* cool

    6. Supah Berry

      Supah Berry

      Also considering the final state of Little Planet after 4 and Mania:

      Spoiler

      Sonic The Hedgehog 4 Episode Metal - Cutscenes HD - YouTubeDeath Egg mk.II Boss: Defeated with Super Sonic - Sonic the ...

       

       

       

      Good ending in Sonic Mania | Nintendo Switch! AminoSonic Mania Plus - All Endings + Secret Final Boss - YouTube

       

      ...it's all the more fitting that the Modern world is made the Bad Future and the Classic is the Good.  ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) 

    7. E-122-Psi

      E-122-Psi

      What people forget is that Angel Island was grounded BEFORE the Master Emerald was taken in Sonic 3. The Japanese manual made quite clear that the force of the Death Egg landing on it sent the island down onto the surface of the ocean, this is what leads to Sonic and Tails exploring this new island that had appeared.

      The Master Emerald DOES keep the island afloat but other forces of nature can overpower its energy and force Angel Island down. It needed both it and to be rid of Death Egg's weight to be airborne again.

      The bigger question for me is where exactly is Sky Sanctuary located since it is airborne and separate from Angel Island in both cases it loses altitude.

    8. JezMM

      JezMM

      @Indigo Rush

      Sort of.  Sonic Forces isn't really part of the "new classic" timeline, rather Classic Sonic crosses over into the Modern timeline again.

       

      So it's more like:
       

      ORIGINAL DIMENSION          OTHER DIMENSION
      Sonic 1 -> S3&K                           Sonic 1 -> S3&K
                |                                                       |
      Sonic 4                                        *Time Eater sends
                |                                             Sonic to Original
      SA1 -> Colours                                 Dimension*
               |                                              /
      Sonic Generations (Takes place in Original Dimension)
               |                                              \
         Lost World                                    Sonic Mania
                |                                             /
      Sonic Forces (Takes place in Original Dimension)
                |                 |                            \                           \
      IDW Comics    TSR                 Encore Mode       Sonic Mania Adventures
       

      Yeah we got that nice bit of spin-off media at the end just to confuse things further - spin-off media that takes all the games before them as canon but is not actually canon to the games lol.

      The key point is that in the original timeline, Sonic, Tails and Eggman were NOT whisked away by the Time Eater after S3&K, Eggman did not learn anything from his future self, and Sonic 4 was his next scheme after S3&K (well, and 3D/Chaotix/R).
      In the other dimension, they ARE whisked away and Eggman learns from his future self, and during his change of plans, discovers the Phantom Ruby.

       

      The only thorny parts of this theory are hypothetical questions like "does the phantom ruby remain dormant in the original dimension somewhere?" and/or "Did events long before the franchise's beginning, such as the Space Colony ARK incident, still happen in the other dimension if everything else is exactly the same until the Generations whisk-away?"

      Fortunately these questions have a couple of potential definitive answers:

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      and/or
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    9. TheOcelot

      TheOcelot

       

    10. Big Panda

      Big Panda

      @JezMM I’d leave IDW out of it, personally. We’ve been getting implications that it’s past history is not 1:1 with the games.

    11. JezMM

      JezMM

      Oh really?  I hadn't noticed but fair enough.  Tbh I only really included them for a laugh anyway after realising that it was technically the same situation as the SMA/Encore split lol.

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