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  1. Interesting trailer for sure, some things I like were how Robotnik seems to be in charge here, at least in these cutscenes. He's not just joking around with Sonic or bumbling around with his robots, he seems to be calling the shots here which is nice to see. Strangely enough, the thing I like is also the thing I don't like -- which is that he created Infinite (so it would appear). Infinites identity being shrouded in mystery to this point was an interesting story element and while it's possible Robotnik found someone from the sonic universe and somehow transformed them into Infinite, it seems more likely with how lazy the stories have been lately, that Robotnik simply created this creature as a means to harness the power of the phantom ruby. What I'm really worried about story wise is that the Phantom Ruby, much like in Mania, just allows the story to go where-ever the hell it wants just because. In other words, I'm thinking there won't be any explanation why Chaos, Shadow and even Zavok are back as villains other than, the phantom ruby brought them all into the same time and space and Robotnik was able to take over simply because the ruby made it so. I hope it's a bit deeper than that, but it seems like this phantom ruby is just some kind of overpowered broken element which imo is just lazy storywriting, but we'll see. If I had to guess, I'm betting that Robotnik's whole plan is undone when they somehow destroy the phantom ruby at the end of the game (I'm also willing to wager that destroying it would somehow undo the events of the game entirely and everything would just be restored to normal with no memory of it) but I hope it's more complex than that.
  2. Wait... so Phantom Ruby is actually that things name??
  3. Mania Glitch Thread

    Not sure if this is a glitch but it was pretty funny (albeit annoying)
  4. Well everybody, It's than an hour away in my time zone and I just wanted to say how much of a treat it has been following the progress of this game with you all the past year and change. I wasn't sure what to expect from Sonic's 25th anniversary game but this sounds like the best case scenario and I am thrilled to see it for myself in less than an hour. As always it was great to read the speculation, the opinions and get the up to the second news on this game. I can remember those long months of barely any info on the game. I'd check in here to see if anything new was announced and 99% of the time, there was nothing but it was still fun to discuss with fellow Sonic fans our ideas for the game and our thoughts. I can still remember being this psyched for Sonic Unleashed (I know, right?) and checking in on here almost every day in the summer and fall of 2008 to read more about that game. Seems like ages ago and now here we are on the verge of another major release and I for one am stoked. Of course I'll continue to post here and keep up with Forces and future games but I'll admit, I'll kind of miss this. Tonight and tomorrow are the culmination of everything we've waited for since July of 2016. It comes to an end tonight but also a new beginning as we all get to play this wonderful game and hopefully rekindle our Sonic related childhoods in the process. Have a great time with the game everyone! I'll post my thoughts on it sometime tomorrow or the following day. By the mania, for the mania The time is nigh
  5. Sonic Mania Reviews/Impressions Thread

    That's a bit surprising and disappointing to be honest. I've seen plenty of good reviews and I myself won't have my opinion of the game effected because of a few "so-so" ones but I say surprising because I've watched the majority of Polygon's coverage of the game leading up to release and they seemed high on it, with one of their staffers saying it was their most anticipated game of 2017. I didn't expect them to give it a 10 but based on many of their previews, I got the impression they were big Sonic fans and really were looking forward to this game. It's just weird to read this review that basically says "yeah, it's okay but it's basically just another Sonic game"
  6. Sonic Mania SPOILERS/Impressions Thread

    Honestly, Forces should've just been "Robotnik takes over the world" because it's what we've been waiting for since the beginning. Focus on that Sonic vs. Robotnik vibe and have Tails and Knuckles be alternate playable characters. It would've been a nostalgic adventure while also being something brand new. Instead it's way overcomplicated and I don't know why. It could still be fun to play (I'm a bit more forgiving on story if the game is actually fun which we have yet to see) and therefore still a decent title but this just seems like such a slam dunk of an idea and they've found a way to make it convoluted.
  7. Sonic Mania SPOILERS/Impressions Thread

    I could swear I noticed Little Planet in the background of Lava Reef towards the end of Act 2? Maybe Robotnik was once again able to chain it up (to Angel Island this time) or somehow the time travel/reality manipulation is allowing all these places to coexist a lot closer to each other than before?? I'm not sure. I don't think the game puts too much thought into things like that.
  8. Sonic Mania SPOILERS/Impressions Thread

    Unfortunately no, because time attack mode removes the bosses at the end of the acts and these zones still had bosses, even the ones that just faded into the next level.
  9. Sonic Mania SPOILERS/Impressions Thread

    And who knows? Maybe if Forces ends up being good (which I haven't completely written it off yet), this will be looked at as a genius idea, to have these 2 games releasing this year that are linked together. I mean, other than Sonic 3 and Knuckles (which were meant to be one game anyway) and to a degree SA1 and 2, Sonic are never "to be continued" like this, so it would be a cool idea if it went into a BETTER game, which we don't know. Forces could be an amazing 3D game and then this looks like a good idea. If it's a lousy game, people will hate this part of Mania.
  10. Sonic Mania SPOILERS/Impressions Thread

    I don't think the critics will really care about the ending tbh. I'm sure they'll find reasons to criticize the game but I'm guessing most critics (and even a good portion of consumers who are just buying the game out of curiosity and because it's a good price) may not even get all the emeralds and just beat the game the normal way and not see that or even if they do, they won't know what it means or care that it links to some other Sonic game. Forces just has a lousy reputation to this point so the fact that there's any link there is making people feel somehow betrayed by the entirety of Mania. I don't think critics or casual fans will see it that way. If they have a beef with the game, it won't be because of one brief moment at the end of it. In terms of Sonic fans, including most on this board, oh yeah, I can see the ending and the exclusion of Amy (at least to this point) being heavy topics of criticism.
  11. Sonic Mania SPOILERS/Impressions Thread

    I'm only mad about it becoming a Forces discussion because it's detracting from the game itself. I'd much rather be talking about some of the great level design we saw, the EPIC final level (I didn't see the final boss itself so I can't comment, nor do I wish to know), some of the surprises in the game and the wonderful music... the game was so fantastic from the 60% or so I saw of it and yet we're all discussing the ending and what it means or why they chose to do it that way. It's worth talking about but so is the 12 zones that came before it.
  12. Sonic Mania SPOILERS/Impressions Thread

    Technically not though, although I'm not clear if this is suppose to be 2 different alternate universes or a time travel thing.... because if it's a time travel thing, that gem on Angel Island would be gone in Modern Sonic's time because of the events of Mania. If they're 2 different universes, then yes?? Unless that purple thing only exists in Mania's universe ... I don't know, that's why I hate the premise that "classic Sonic" is somebody else... he's just a younger Sonic as far as we know. I like the plot much better that in Sonic's absense Robotnik's plans were able to succeed, hence the dark future in Forces but that doesn't work if "Modern Sonic" is around to stop Robotnik but then it's not even the same Robotnik?? I don't know... I don't get it... I actually thought of a theory that would've perfectly explained Chaos, Shadow and company returning. Assuming Sonic Mania takes place after S3&K and before Sonic Adventure, after those events, the timeline is now altered so that Robotnik's plans in Sonic Adventure worked and he got Perfect Chaos to level parts of the world, was able to get Shadow to join his team and none of the villains were defeated because no Sonic. But that doesn't make a lick of sense if Modern Sonic is around to witness all of this. So yeah, I don't know.
  13. Sonic Mania Reviews/Impressions Thread

    I'll definitely be curious to check out these reviews. As much as I was 99% certain that the game would get exceptional reviews, I now have reason to believe otherwise. Warning: Spoilers ahead.
  14. Sonic Mania SPOILERS/Impressions Thread

    I have to say, the more I think about it, the more I realize that the forces reference at the end of this game is going to go over a lot of peoples heads. I mean, yeah, we know and understand that because as Sonic fans we follow all of Sonic Team's latest endeavors but I have a lot of friends who are casual gamers or have played maybe one Sonic game before and they're curious to check out Mania. They're going to have NO CLUE as to why Sonic is sucked into a purple vortex at the end of the game. I wouldn't either unless I knew what Forces was. The way I always saw this game, it was dedicated to the hardcore fans but could also be a way to introduce people to the series -- maybe younger fans who had never played the classics or just gamers in general who weren't super familiar with Sonic. It was a good entry level in that it features so many of the best levels with upgrades and new levels and a pretty straightforward story that you don't have to know anything about to get into. This ending is going to make those people scratch their heads and say "Why did Sonic just go bye bye?" at the end of the game... As much as I don't really care about the tie in to Forces, this seemed like it could've easily been one of those games where it's a "Sonic beats Robotnik and everyone goes home happy" kind of ending. Maybe have a Forces teaser after the credits done in a subtle way so that the more hard core fans go "Oh shi--" but now it's just so obvious the story was building up to this which is a referene only SOME will even get.