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Vertical Snoop [D.K.]

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  1. You don't see Miyamoto making red-shirt-blue-overalls Mario from the current games and blue-shirt-red-overalls Mario from the arcade games separate characters from different dimensions.

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    2. Shaddy Zaphod

      Shaddy Zaphod


      You've been doing it from the start. Unless you're going to go the nuclear option and delete posts, what you've posted is visible for all to see; so don't pretend otherwise.

      But see, I haven't. My problem with Mario isn't that it's simple, it's that it lacks substance, which is completely different. 

      1. One of those games, arguably the best of them, was just remade a couple months ago.

      Well, we're getting new Sonic comics by the same dude in 2018. Is it unreasonable to assume that those will follow suit with his previous work in terms of characterization?

      1. The best examples of Sonic's personality have never had anything to do with the people actually making the games; and that disconnect has never been more obvious than Sonic Forces in relation to Sonic Boom. In fact, there has been evidence in the past that such things are only possible when Sonic Team has no influence in what is being done.

      If Miyamoto is the reason the Mario RPGs got messed up, doesn't that mean that his lack of presence is also part of why they're so supposedly good?


      That's not why, and there's no way that you can be so clueless to the reception of the series in 2017 to legitimately think that it is why.

      The point was that it's totally shallow to immediately write off a game's plot as terrible the moment you know a thing about it, and the type of person to do such a thing doesn't sound like the type I'd want to use as a reason to consider it wholesale worse at every opportunity.


      No. Read your sentence back to yourself and tell me how it makes sense. Tell me how forcing existing characters with (at least in theory) established characterizations into generic character archetypes as needed by the story they are trying to tell establishes a "personality".

      Because a generic character and the absolute lack of one are not the same thing? Sonic's been pretty cliche since the 90s, I honestly don't notice much of a difference other than suddenly voice acting.


      Where's the disservice when it is admitted by the people who make Sonic games?

      Because 90% of the time, things are inspired or ripped-off of other things. If you think ST is too transparent or incompetent to pull it off well, that's fine, but it's not a reason to say they're always bad, and a single statement from 10 years ago and one of the worst stories in the series isn't really much to prove your point.


      You came into this comment thread throwing what I assume are meme pics (since whatever clever link you threw out was dead) and mocking other people outright when they were trying to have a discussion on the drive-by response you initially led off with. If you don't want shit heaped at you, don't start it.

      Listen, I wasn't taking this as seriously at the start, I admit it, but I don't think I'm "mocking" anyone here. I reacted poorly to an overly-literal interpretation of what I said, but I still think you're blowing things out of proportion here.


      With that example I'm saying that for all the personality everyone swears sonic has over Mario, their reactions to a situation like that would be similar. The reaction that you said displays Mario's lack of a personality is literally something Sonic has did before.

      Except, faced with this situation, I don't think Mario would react. The guy never seems to have anything to add about any situation unless Bowser and the princess are right in front of him and one is kidnapping the other, and even that's only sometimes.


      And that trailer works because you really don't need to say anything else. There's a lot of power in simplicity. They're simple characters, but that doesn't make them ineffective characters.

      And again with this, I have no issue with simplicity, but Mario plots are repetitive and uninspired. I like Sunshine and Galaxy, not because they're much more complex, but because at least parts of them feel new and different, like the setting or characters, and I don't think hoping for even that small level of change in the bigger follow-ups should be considered unreasonable. Odyssey sort of half-steps between them, which I can almost get on board with, but I still don't understand why they abandoned something that I think worked so much better without compromising the story's simplicity like Galaxy did.

    3. Blacklightning


      It's been nearly 14 hours

      how are you still complaining about this

    4. Wraith


      how are you still watching

    5. Blacklightning


      I get notifications for every status I comment on when someone adds to it, and can't be bothered turning it off just for one thread

    6. Wraith


      I got u

      I'm just stubborn tbh

    7. Tornado



      Listen, I wasn't taking this as seriously at the start, I admit it, but I don't think I'm "mocking" anyone here.

      That's kind of what happens when you go back and delete all instances of you doing so before complaining about "hostility" against you. I still saw it. Sean and Josh probably saw it to.

    8. Shaddy Zaphod

      Shaddy Zaphod

      Except I haven't done that. You'll know when I delete something, I'm a terrible liar.

    9. Wraith


      It doesn't look like he changed anything to me unless I missed something

    10. Tornado


      I'm a terrible liar.

      That much is true, because I know what I saw and I know what post in this status update chain they were in.




    11. Sean


      Pretty sure I've seen some shit changed around too and I remember specifically what it was, but not the context or post it was in.

    12. Shaddy Zaphod

      Shaddy Zaphod

      This just seems like you got tired of arguing and decided to try and find a reason to make it look like nothing I said mattered. It's immature, really.

    13. Tornado


      Immature is complaining about people reacting to you hostility only after removing a bunch of things in your posts where you were attacking other members, then calling people liars when you were called on it since you know it can't be proven now.



      In reality nothing you've said mattered to me to begin with.

    14. Shaddy Zaphod

      Shaddy Zaphod


      Immature is complaining about people reacting to you hostility only after removing a bunch of things in your posts where you were attacking other members, then calling people liars when you were called on it since you know it can't be proven now

      Okay, let me know when that actually happens here.


      In reality nothing you've said mattered to me to begin with.

      Obviously it mattered enough to be a dick to me, then claim I've said things I haven't when I got angry about it. I still have tons of assholish posts toward other users on this forum with far, far less to actually say. Why wouldn't I have edited those by now? Hint: it's because I don't do that shit. I used to, back in like 2014. I admit that. But it's not happening here, and you know it. I honestly expect better of the people who are supposed to be above this stuff.

    15. Sean


      You edited out some real snarky shit like using ™ symbols in a mocking tone towards Josh. Tornado saw it, I saw it, and we can't prove it because obviously you edited them out. But calling Tornado a liar over it is a real asshole move.

    16. Shaddy Zaphod

      Shaddy Zaphod

      ...oh, that's what you were talking about? Wow, I thought you were implying I rewrote whole statements or something. Well either way, that wasn't to make me seem like less of an asshole, I just thought the quotes looked better. The statements themselves aren't any different. I also thought I left the one on "well that's just your opinion" and I removed the prior two because using three in a row isn't very pleasing to the eye, but I guess it's not there.

    17. Sean


      All this time you've been trying to outright calling Tornado a straight-up liar with absolute no basis for his claims, and now you're just backpedaling by feigning ignorance to make yourself seem less ridiculous than you're already acting.

    18. Shaddy Zaphod

      Shaddy Zaphod

      Not really, no. I misunderstood, big time, but it's still essentially meaningless. I don't think putting sarcastic quotes is any less condescending than a tm symbol. It might as well have been a grammar edit. Do you want me to put them back? Cause I'll do that.

      I really did believe I hadn't edited anything, seriously. I would have continued to had you not said anything, because I didn't register that as being a problem. I really thought you guys were insinuating that I'd made much bigger, more important changes than I actually did.

    19. Vertical Snoop [D.K.]

      Vertical Snoop [D.K.]

      This thread is my punishment for talking about Mario on a Sonic website.

    20. Dee Dude

      Dee Dude

      fuck, all because of a classic/modern joke

    21. KHCast


      We all know if Mario tried pulling a Generations in the style of Generations, they’d perfect the idea with barely any effort.

    22. Blacklightning


      ...how fucking far back did you have to search in order to even find this thread?

    23. Blue Blood

      Blue Blood

      Jesus. Bump, much?

    24. KHCast


      It was shared in a status lol

    25. Wraith


      Yall are insane

    26. Supah Berry

      Supah Berry

      I'm the Guilty one!

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