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    Jango got a reaction from UltraGizmo64 in Sonic Live Action Movie Thread (Read OP for topic rules) "Trailer 2 on Page 482)   
    Oh, poor little studio, I hope they can recover from that. C'mon, Peter. It was Paramount's own fault. They deliberately made Sonic a freak and thought we would buy it. They're reaping what they sow. Changing Sonic's design to please the fans was nice and all, but it's something they could've avoided from the beginning if they had an inch of good sense.
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    Jango got a reaction from UltraGizmo64 in Sonic Live Action Movie Thread (Read OP for topic rules) "Trailer 2 on Page 482)   
    I love this shit:
    I love Tyson, seriously.
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    Jango reacted to azoo in Interesting revelations from Sonic 3 prototype   
    The "Tails flies along a path and you can grab onto him during it" idea was reused as a concept in Sonic Jam's Sonic World.
    Fancy that, huh.
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    Jango got a reaction from lbyrd2 in Sonic Live Action Movie Thread (Read OP for topic rules) "Trailer 2 on Page 482)   
    Math isn't my forte, but I think Paramount is not gonna revert this situation. Surely I certainly don't represent the majority of people, but even with the new design I'm still not paying 30 bucks to watch this. The things I knew prior to this trailer and of course, that other trailer, did a great damage.
    IF, I had only seem this new trailer (and that was THE FIRST AND ONLY trailer for this film) I would at least want to check it out during a week day when the ticket is cheaper.
    Unless Tyson had his hand on more than the redesign, we're still gonna get a cheap 'Hollywood-adapts-a-videogame' story and gringe jokes here and there (arguibly less terrifying).
    Paramount took the wrong turn too soon.
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    Jango got a reaction from UltraGizmo64 in Sonic Live Action Movie Thread (Read OP for topic rules) "Trailer 2 on Page 482)   
    Probably, because that leaked plot had some really bad shit. It said that Sonic was an alien that crashed on Earth and was raised by an owl. Green Hill was not even mentioned.
    Looks like I was right on the money with the re-writen origin story showing Sonic in his world (which OF COURSE is Green Hill, but it looks great TBH) travelling to our world through a portal (which is a giant ring like the ones in Sonic 1 and CD).
    Jim Carrey still calls Sonic "an alien" in the trailer tho'. But since he doesn't know what Sonic is, "an alien" would be just a quick guess.
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    Jango got a reaction from UltraGizmo64 in Interesting revelations from Sonic 3 prototype   
    I lurk Retro, and this seems to be the case. This build could be much older, probably (and very likely) older than November 3rd. Why? SEGA had another Sonic 3 build by November 20th that's near identical to the final game. There's no way in hell that Sonic Team would be able to have another build that's basically the final game, mere 17 days later. This newly found prototype has beta music, Sonic 2 sprites, missing special stages, missing transitions, missing effects, super early title screen. No way way they fixed all that shit in little more than 2 weeks.
    This prototype must be from before MJ was brought in and before SEGA cut ties with him. The scandals began in August 93. Since this proto doesn't feature any of his and Buxer's songs, that means that this build (at the least the single player campaign) is prior to August, otherwise this would imply that SEGA brought MJ to compose AFTER the scandals, in that case, after November 3rd, which I believe it wasn't the case.
    Here's my rough timeline:
    Sonic 3 began production (January 93) ~ somewhere between January 93 and August 93 Michael Jackson and his team worked on the music, eventhough the game already had a soundtrack almost completed (which is the one we're listening to now) ~ August 93 MJ scandals began ~ Michael Jackson probably left production abruptly, but SEGA kept some tapes with his work ~ SEGA probably didn't wanted to ditch those songs and rolled with it anyway ~ the prototype we're seeing now doesn't feature MJ songs because: A. It's not from November at all (likely); or B. SEGA implemented those songs only in the November 20th build and went "fuck it, we're keeping it" (less likely, but could've happened).
    Basically, all these legal issues and lawsuits could've being avoided if SEGA used the music they had before MJ came in, but they decided against it for whatever reason. Maybe they liked his songs better and didn't wanted to change? Time surely wasn't an issue.
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    Jango got a reaction from UltraGizmo64 in Interesting revelations from Sonic 3 prototype   
    Listen to the music here!
    Carnival Night (both acts) are a million times better IMO.
    Ice Cap is a million times worse XD
    Launch Base is cool, on par with the orig... wait, how do we call the Genesis' songs now? Can't call them "original" anymore... Anyways, you get the idea! Both are good.
    I like this Knuckles' theme better. Credits theme is also awesome.
    Damn man, I wanna know more about this!
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    Jango got a reaction from AdventChild in Sonic Live Action Movie Thread (Read OP for topic rules) "Trailer 2 on Page 482)   
    Math isn't my forte, but I think Paramount is not gonna revert this situation. Surely I certainly don't represent the majority of people, but even with the new design I'm still not paying 30 bucks to watch this. The things I knew prior to this trailer and of course, that other trailer, did a great damage.
    IF, I had only seem this new trailer (and that was THE FIRST AND ONLY trailer for this film) I would at least want to check it out during a week day when the ticket is cheaper.
    Unless Tyson had his hand on more than the redesign, we're still gonna get a cheap 'Hollywood-adapts-a-videogame' story and gringe jokes here and there (arguibly less terrifying).
    Paramount took the wrong turn too soon.
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    Jango got a reaction from MidoChaosHedgehog in Sonic Live Action Movie Thread (Read OP for topic rules) "Trailer 2 on Page 482)   
    Math isn't my forte, but I think Paramount is not gonna revert this situation. Surely I certainly don't represent the majority of people, but even with the new design I'm still not paying 30 bucks to watch this. The things I knew prior to this trailer and of course, that other trailer, did a great damage.
    IF, I had only seem this new trailer (and that was THE FIRST AND ONLY trailer for this film) I would at least want to check it out during a week day when the ticket is cheaper.
    Unless Tyson had his hand on more than the redesign, we're still gonna get a cheap 'Hollywood-adapts-a-videogame' story and gringe jokes here and there (arguibly less terrifying).
    Paramount took the wrong turn too soon.
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    Jango got a reaction from DaddlerTheDalek in Sonic Live Action Movie Thread (Read OP for topic rules) "Trailer 2 on Page 482)   
    Oh, poor little studio, I hope they can recover from that. C'mon, Peter. It was Paramount's own fault. They deliberately made Sonic a freak and thought we would buy it. They're reaping what they sow. Changing Sonic's design to please the fans was nice and all, but it's something they could've avoided from the beginning if they had an inch of good sense.
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    Jango got a reaction from Legendary Emerald in Interesting revelations from Sonic 3 prototype   
    I doubt Iizuka remembers, S3 was he first job at Sonic Team and he was credited as level designer IIRC, he probably didn't had anything to do with programing. 
    Besides, I'm willing to believe Taxman and the team wouldn't miss the chance to advertise the drop dash as being based on a scrapped concept from Sonic 3, that would totally make Sonic nerds go nuts, like with many other stuff they pulled along the way.
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    Jango got a reaction from MidoChaosHedgehog in Sonic Live Action Movie Thread (Read OP for topic rules) "Trailer 2 on Page 482)   
    Oh, poor little studio, I hope they can recover from that. C'mon, Peter. It was Paramount's own fault. They deliberately made Sonic a freak and thought we would buy it. They're reaping what they sow. Changing Sonic's design to please the fans was nice and all, but it's something they could've avoided from the beginning if they had an inch of good sense.
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    Jango got a reaction from AdventChild in Sonic Live Action Movie Thread (Read OP for topic rules) "Trailer 2 on Page 482)   
    Oh, poor little studio, I hope they can recover from that. C'mon, Peter. It was Paramount's own fault. They deliberately made Sonic a freak and thought we would buy it. They're reaping what they sow. Changing Sonic's design to please the fans was nice and all, but it's something they could've avoided from the beginning if they had an inch of good sense.
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    Jango got a reaction from Polkadi~☆ in Sonic Live Action Movie Thread (Read OP for topic rules) "Trailer 2 on Page 482)   
    Oh, poor little studio, I hope they can recover from that. C'mon, Peter. It was Paramount's own fault. They deliberately made Sonic a freak and thought we would buy it. They're reaping what they sow. Changing Sonic's design to please the fans was nice and all, but it's something they could've avoided from the beginning if they had an inch of good sense.
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    Jango reacted to Tarnish in Interesting revelations from Sonic 3 prototype   
    You're right, hell, apparently he didn't even remember how basic physics on Sonic 3 worked or what made that game good, so how would he remember cut features.
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    Jango got a reaction from Miragnarok in Interesting revelations from Sonic 3 prototype   
    I guess Iizuka forgot.
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    Jango got a reaction from lbyrd2 in Sonic Live Action Movie Thread (Read OP for topic rules) "Trailer 2 on Page 482)   
    Oh, poor little studio, I hope they can recover from that. C'mon, Peter. It was Paramount's own fault. They deliberately made Sonic a freak and thought we would buy it. They're reaping what they sow. Changing Sonic's design to please the fans was nice and all, but it's something they could've avoided from the beginning if they had an inch of good sense.
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    Jango got a reaction from Strong Guy in Sonic Live Action Movie Thread (Read OP for topic rules) "Trailer 2 on Page 482)   
    Oh, poor little studio, I hope they can recover from that. C'mon, Peter. It was Paramount's own fault. They deliberately made Sonic a freak and thought we would buy it. They're reaping what they sow. Changing Sonic's design to please the fans was nice and all, but it's something they could've avoided from the beginning if they had an inch of good sense.
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    Jango got a reaction from Miragnarok in Interesting revelations from Sonic 3 prototype   
    I lurk Retro, and this seems to be the case. This build could be much older, probably (and very likely) older than November 3rd. Why? SEGA had another Sonic 3 build by November 20th that's near identical to the final game. There's no way in hell that Sonic Team would be able to have another build that's basically the final game, mere 17 days later. This newly found prototype has beta music, Sonic 2 sprites, missing special stages, missing transitions, missing effects, super early title screen. No way way they fixed all that shit in little more than 2 weeks.
    This prototype must be from before MJ was brought in and before SEGA cut ties with him. The scandals began in August 93. Since this proto doesn't feature any of his and Buxer's songs, that means that this build (at the least the single player campaign) is prior to August, otherwise this would imply that SEGA brought MJ to compose AFTER the scandals, in that case, after November 3rd, which I believe it wasn't the case.
    Here's my rough timeline:
    Sonic 3 began production (January 93) ~ somewhere between January 93 and August 93 Michael Jackson and his team worked on the music, eventhough the game already had a soundtrack almost completed (which is the one we're listening to now) ~ August 93 MJ scandals began ~ Michael Jackson probably left production abruptly, but SEGA kept some tapes with his work ~ SEGA probably didn't wanted to ditch those songs and rolled with it anyway ~ the prototype we're seeing now doesn't feature MJ songs because: A. It's not from November at all (likely); or B. SEGA implemented those songs only in the November 20th build and went "fuck it, we're keeping it" (less likely, but could've happened).
    Basically, all these legal issues and lawsuits could've being avoided if SEGA used the music they had before MJ came in, but they decided against it for whatever reason. Maybe they liked his songs better and didn't wanted to change? Time surely wasn't an issue.
  20. Chuckle
    Jango got a reaction from MainJP in Interesting revelations from Sonic 3 prototype   
    Of course they did:
     
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    Jango got a reaction from MainJP in Interesting revelations from Sonic 3 prototype   
    I lurk Retro, and this seems to be the case. This build could be much older, probably (and very likely) older than November 3rd. Why? SEGA had another Sonic 3 build by November 20th that's near identical to the final game. There's no way in hell that Sonic Team would be able to have another build that's basically the final game, mere 17 days later. This newly found prototype has beta music, Sonic 2 sprites, missing special stages, missing transitions, missing effects, super early title screen. No way way they fixed all that shit in little more than 2 weeks.
    This prototype must be from before MJ was brought in and before SEGA cut ties with him. The scandals began in August 93. Since this proto doesn't feature any of his and Buxer's songs, that means that this build (at the least the single player campaign) is prior to August, otherwise this would imply that SEGA brought MJ to compose AFTER the scandals, in that case, after November 3rd, which I believe it wasn't the case.
    Here's my rough timeline:
    Sonic 3 began production (January 93) ~ somewhere between January 93 and August 93 Michael Jackson and his team worked on the music, eventhough the game already had a soundtrack almost completed (which is the one we're listening to now) ~ August 93 MJ scandals began ~ Michael Jackson probably left production abruptly, but SEGA kept some tapes with his work ~ SEGA probably didn't wanted to ditch those songs and rolled with it anyway ~ the prototype we're seeing now doesn't feature MJ songs because: A. It's not from November at all (likely); or B. SEGA implemented those songs only in the November 20th build and went "fuck it, we're keeping it" (less likely, but could've happened).
    Basically, all these legal issues and lawsuits could've being avoided if SEGA used the music they had before MJ came in, but they decided against it for whatever reason. Maybe they liked his songs better and didn't wanted to change? Time surely wasn't an issue.
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    Jango got a reaction from lbyrd2 in Interesting revelations from Sonic 3 prototype   
    Oh boy, that is amazing. All these years everyone thought the PC Collection tracks were created to replace Jackson's and avoid any controversy, when in reality those were the original intended songs. This is shocking.
     
    And that's not even close to the madness that is the drop dash prototype, probably not even Naka, Iizuka or the rest of the original Sonic 3 team remember it existed before, or they might would've commented on when Mania re-introduced it.
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    Jango reacted to MainJP in Interesting revelations from Sonic 3 prototype   
    Here's some sprites that Rika Chou ripped.


    Knuckles is sporting a different look.
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    Jango got a reaction from Supah Berry in Interesting revelations from Sonic 3 prototype   
    Oh boy, that is amazing. All these years everyone thought the PC Collection tracks were created to replace Jackson's and avoid any controversy, when in reality those were the original intended songs. This is shocking.
     
    And that's not even close to the madness that is the drop dash prototype, probably not even Naka, Iizuka or the rest of the original Sonic 3 team remember it existed before, or they might would've commented on when Mania re-introduced it.
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    Jango got a reaction from Miragnarok in Interesting revelations from Sonic 3 prototype   
    But what if Michael Jackson also composed these tracks? We "knew" a few of them were replaced in the PC Collection because they had bits and pieces, sometimes even straight up same melody, of some of Jackson's own songs, like Jam and Strange in Moscow*. What gives? What we actually know about this?
     
    *That one was released AFTER Sonic 3, lol I forgot. Still goddamn it Brad Buxer.
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