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    NotHole got a reaction from DaddlerTheDalek in IDW's Sonic the Hedgehog   
    Best selling ever is over stating it. It's within specific parameters: The best selling post-1996 to comic shops and ignoring Sonic Worlds Battle Unite #1. IDW #1 is outsold by a typical Archie issue when you factor in the latter's newsstand sales and subs.
    Boom had a larger than usual debut because it had four variant covers. Those have always given the books a boost in comic shops.
    It did. After #4 at 13K, the next IDW books are Star Wars Adventures #9 at 12K, TMNT #81 at 11K and My Little Pony #65 at 8K and TMNT's companion series, TMNT Universe #21 at 7K.
    It's way too early to make a comparison when Sonic only has a month of sales, but some data points: Most IDW books are selling in the 4K - 7K range. Star Wars Adventures #1 and TMNT Universe #1 started at 49K and 34K respectively before falling to where they are now.
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    NotHole got a reaction from Sega DogTagz in IDW's Sonic the Hedgehog   
    Best selling ever is over stating it. It's within specific parameters: The best selling post-1996 to comic shops and ignoring Sonic Worlds Battle Unite #1. IDW #1 is outsold by a typical Archie issue when you factor in the latter's newsstand sales and subs.
    Boom had a larger than usual debut because it had four variant covers. Those have always given the books a boost in comic shops.
    It did. After #4 at 13K, the next IDW books are Star Wars Adventures #9 at 12K, TMNT #81 at 11K and My Little Pony #65 at 8K and TMNT's companion series, TMNT Universe #21 at 7K.
    It's way too early to make a comparison when Sonic only has a month of sales, but some data points: Most IDW books are selling in the 4K - 7K range. Star Wars Adventures #1 and TMNT Universe #1 started at 49K and 34K respectively before falling to where they are now.
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    NotHole got a reaction from FFWF in IDW's Sonic the Hedgehog   
    These are okay. Neither bad nor great. With all the promotion they were doing, I was expecting them to be higher. 30K debut, 20K for the weekly issues, trickling down from 15K to 8K over the first year.
    The Boom comparison doesn't entirely work due to the weekly release. The drops between IDW's #2 - 4 are relatively conservative because retailers ordered them all at the same time and they were collectively treated like Boom's #2 was. There's probably going to be a more substantial drop with #5.
    Print runs are determined from pre-orders. If #132 or whatever has pre-orders of 7500, you're going to print close to that. If #1 has pre-orders of 30500, you might go higher on the print run because you know a jumping on point like that will have re-order activity. Or you might still keep it close to the pre-order number and instead just do additional printings if the demand is there. This is why it's relatively easy to game the system and you've gotta take the whole "#X sold out!" with a grain of salt. An issue selling out could just mean "We successfully shipped every pre-order."
    These sales also don't include the additional printings. Those haven't shipped yet.
    I mean, this was a highly promoted reboot and #1. The biggest special event and milestone a comic can do.
    Also Sonic Worlds Battle Unite had 43K sales because it was included in one of those Loot Crate-like things.
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    NotHole got a reaction from SoNich in IDW's Sonic the Hedgehog   
    These are okay. Neither bad nor great. With all the promotion they were doing, I was expecting them to be higher. 30K debut, 20K for the weekly issues, trickling down from 15K to 8K over the first year.
    The Boom comparison doesn't entirely work due to the weekly release. The drops between IDW's #2 - 4 are relatively conservative because retailers ordered them all at the same time and they were collectively treated like Boom's #2 was. There's probably going to be a more substantial drop with #5.
    Print runs are determined from pre-orders. If #132 or whatever has pre-orders of 7500, you're going to print close to that. If #1 has pre-orders of 30500, you might go higher on the print run because you know a jumping on point like that will have re-order activity. Or you might still keep it close to the pre-order number and instead just do additional printings if the demand is there. This is why it's relatively easy to game the system and you've gotta take the whole "#X sold out!" with a grain of salt. An issue selling out could just mean "We successfully shipped every pre-order."
    These sales also don't include the additional printings. Those haven't shipped yet.
    I mean, this was a highly promoted reboot and #1. The biggest special event and milestone a comic can do.
    Also Sonic Worlds Battle Unite had 43K sales because it was included in one of those Loot Crate-like things.
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    NotHole got a reaction from Korke in IDW's Sonic the Hedgehog   
    These are okay. Neither bad nor great. With all the promotion they were doing, I was expecting them to be higher. 30K debut, 20K for the weekly issues, trickling down from 15K to 8K over the first year.
    The Boom comparison doesn't entirely work due to the weekly release. The drops between IDW's #2 - 4 are relatively conservative because retailers ordered them all at the same time and they were collectively treated like Boom's #2 was. There's probably going to be a more substantial drop with #5.
    Print runs are determined from pre-orders. If #132 or whatever has pre-orders of 7500, you're going to print close to that. If #1 has pre-orders of 30500, you might go higher on the print run because you know a jumping on point like that will have re-order activity. Or you might still keep it close to the pre-order number and instead just do additional printings if the demand is there. This is why it's relatively easy to game the system and you've gotta take the whole "#X sold out!" with a grain of salt. An issue selling out could just mean "We successfully shipped every pre-order."
    These sales also don't include the additional printings. Those haven't shipped yet.
    I mean, this was a highly promoted reboot and #1. The biggest special event and milestone a comic can do.
    Also Sonic Worlds Battle Unite had 43K sales because it was included in one of those Loot Crate-like things.
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    NotHole got a reaction from BlueSky in IDW's Sonic the Hedgehog   
    Given his popularity, I would be surprised if there hadn't been a discussion of him writing the new comic.
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    NotHole got a reaction from rosedust in IDW's Sonic the Hedgehog   
    Given his popularity, I would be surprised if there hadn't been a discussion of him writing the new comic.
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    NotHole got a reaction from BlueSky in IDW's Sonic the Hedgehog   
    That was never stressed by anyone because the opposite is true. Mega Drive didn't have subs or newsstand distribution and it was only sold through the direct market. plus whatever business it did through digital and the Archie shop. That's why the social media campaign for the book was centered around having fans pre-order it through their comic shop.
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    NotHole got a reaction from Borvoc in Archie Sonic Hiatus Discussion   
    Archie doesn't have any ownership of TMNT Adventures. That's done through Nickelodeon and Mirage before them. When Archie did a trade back in 2009, they had to re-license the issues from Mirage.
    The same applies to Sonic, too. The rights for trades of old issues would be picked up through Sega without any involvement with Archie and would probably be included with the license for new issues. Although digital seems to be a different deal. Through all of this, Archie's Sonic section has never left Comixology.
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    NotHole got a reaction from FFWF in Archie Sonic Hiatus Discussion   
    If Archie keeps the license, a relaunch will need to happen. Not necessarily a renumbering and/or a reboot, but they can't pick up where they left off and continue like nothing happened. Direct market sales were already going down in part because of the first hiatus. They'll have been gone for nearly a year in a medium built around creating habitual buyers. A lot of people were just broken of their Sonic buying habit and they won't be picking up new readers with part four of a flashback arc. If they don't return with something they can promote as a jumping on point for new and lapsed readers, something like Genesis, the book will have come back just to get cancelled.
    If a different publisher has picked up the license, no more subs and magazine/digest reprints. The book will live or die entirely by its direct market sales for better or worse.
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    NotHole got a reaction from Syntax Speedway in Archie Sonic Hiatus Discussion   
    If Archie keeps the license, a relaunch will need to happen. Not necessarily a renumbering and/or a reboot, but they can't pick up where they left off and continue like nothing happened. Direct market sales were already going down in part because of the first hiatus. They'll have been gone for nearly a year in a medium built around creating habitual buyers. A lot of people were just broken of their Sonic buying habit and they won't be picking up new readers with part four of a flashback arc. If they don't return with something they can promote as a jumping on point for new and lapsed readers, something like Genesis, the book will have come back just to get cancelled.
    If a different publisher has picked up the license, no more subs and magazine/digest reprints. The book will live or die entirely by its direct market sales for better or worse.
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    NotHole got a reaction from RictalRose0 in Archie Sonic Hiatus Discussion   
    If Archie keeps the license, a relaunch will need to happen. Not necessarily a renumbering and/or a reboot, but they can't pick up where they left off and continue like nothing happened. Direct market sales were already going down in part because of the first hiatus. They'll have been gone for nearly a year in a medium built around creating habitual buyers. A lot of people were just broken of their Sonic buying habit and they won't be picking up new readers with part four of a flashback arc. If they don't return with something they can promote as a jumping on point for new and lapsed readers, something like Genesis, the book will have come back just to get cancelled.
    If a different publisher has picked up the license, no more subs and magazine/digest reprints. The book will live or die entirely by its direct market sales for better or worse.
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    NotHole got a reaction from Borvoc in Archie Sonic Hiatus Discussion   
    Ian didn't say anything about SDCC.
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    NotHole got a reaction from KingScoopaKoopa in Archie Sonic Hiatus Discussion   
    Ian didn't say anything about SDCC.
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    NotHole got a reaction from Borvoc in Archie Sonic Main Discussion   
    Amazing Adventures was cancelled last fall, likely because it had the same sales as New Animated Adventures. It was succeeded by a crossover mini between the Nick Turtles and Batman: The Animated Series and then a three issue mini called Robotanimals that starts next month.
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    NotHole got a reaction from NikoS in Archie Sonic Main Discussion   
    I can't speculate Archie's expectations for the book because none of us can know those, but every publisher understandably wants to present the narrative that their book is a huge success. That's why Sonic Boom #1's cover says "Based on the hit new video game" despite...you know.
    I would guess a little of it was wish-fulfillment on fans part and a lot of it was undue weight given to the second printing. Another often repeated mistake is that Mega Drive was the first Sonic comic with an additional printing. A lot of the early specials and minis had multiple printings because Archie kept them in print for years. Comic shops were ordering copies of Sonic in Your Face as late as 2005.
    My intent wasn't to disparage the quality of the Sonic/Mega Man books. But I do think a preaching to choir thing happens with them. Sonic/Mega Man fans on Sonic/Mega Man messageboards/social media spaces telling other Sonic/Mega Man fans that the books are the best comics being published.
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    NotHole got a reaction from RictalRose0 in Archie Sonic Main Discussion   
    Tyson has said he didn't sign an NDA and that he hasn't said more about what's going on out of courtesy.
    These aren't state secrets. Ian and most of the artists likely know happened. If they had lost their main source of income for months without any explanation, there would be more anger and less obfuscation from someone in that circle.
    Because they didn't like working for Archie and have no interest in ever returning there.
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    NotHole got a reaction from RictalRose0 in Archie Sonic Main Discussion   
    Some things to keep in mind regarding the license going to a different publisher:
    No one else has Archie's newsstand/subscription distribution (other than DC and Marvel to an extent and neither wants the license) so those sales are off the table. Meaning IDW or any interested publisher would look more closely at the direct market sales. Those haven't been great and are unlikely to justify a keep-everything-the-same attitude.
    Archie has lost the license but digital copies of the books are still available as are the majority of their trades. The biggest reason to not reboot would be to keep interest in the backcatalog, but a new publisher would only be advertising for a competitor in this case.
    I'm not seeing the contradictions. Fans have been in the dark for months and there has been very little backlash. Some people are still in denial that the book is even ending at Archie. If they announce tomorrow that the Sonic subs are being changed to something else that draws a definitive line in the sand. More people will notice and be angry.
    Mega Man and Boom were different circumstances. They didn't lose the license for those books without notice.
    Personally I'm expecting the fabled e-mail update to go out next week. No update will be given for the status of the Sonic books, but it will announce that the subs have been changed to Jughead because Ian's first issue on the book is released next week. If they're not interested in Jughead, they'll have the alternative of changing their sub to store credit.
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    NotHole got a reaction from RictalRose0 in Archie Sonic Main Discussion   
    I can't speculate Archie's expectations for the book because none of us can know those, but every publisher understandably wants to present the narrative that their book is a huge success. That's why Sonic Boom #1's cover says "Based on the hit new video game" despite...you know.
    I would guess a little of it was wish-fulfillment on fans part and a lot of it was undue weight given to the second printing. Another often repeated mistake is that Mega Drive was the first Sonic comic with an additional printing. A lot of the early specials and minis had multiple printings because Archie kept them in print for years. Comic shops were ordering copies of Sonic in Your Face as late as 2005.
    My intent wasn't to disparage the quality of the Sonic/Mega Man books. But I do think a preaching to choir thing happens with them. Sonic/Mega Man fans on Sonic/Mega Man messageboards/social media spaces telling other Sonic/Mega Man fans that the books are the best comics being published.
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    NotHole got a reaction from RictalRose0 in Archie Sonic Main Discussion   
    Okay a few things being said here need to be debunked.
    1: The Red/Dark Circle characters are Archie. They don't have to pay a license to publish them, unlike Sonic. Most importantly if they're made into a TV show/movie, Archie is a part of that, unlike Sonic. There's nothing inconsistent about saying Sonic is not Archie and continuing to publish those characters. Similarly expanding their business doesn't mean making more licensed books if they've determined their business is selling comics/TV shows/movies based on Archie characters.
    2: Sonic's direct market sales had been trending downward for the last couple years, and Ian did not say sales were going swimmingly. He said they weren't in danger of cancellation and subs had been going up. Without wider context that doesn't say much. Were subs going up after staying the same for years? After dropping sharply off?
    3: This is a bit of a tangent, but I see the opposite repeated frequently with nothing backing it up so: Mega Drive was not a huge seller. It primarily did its sales through the direct market, hence the push Ian and the gang made through social media to get fans into shops to buy it. We have estimates of those numbers. The first issue shipped almost 6.8K. For perspective, #282 from a couple months earlier also sold 6.8K. The second issue shipped 5K. The Universe issue released in that same month, #92, also sold 5K. Mega Drive sold within the range of what would be expected for a Sonic comic.
    "But it got a second printing." This is useless metric when print runs are determined through final orders. One comic can sell 80K and not get a second printing. Another comic can sell 5K and get a second printing of 1K.
    4: Mega Man had lousy sales and was hardly regarded as one of the best comics on the market. Outside of Sonic comic and Mega Man fans, it was ignored, just like the Sonic comics. These are niche books.
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    NotHole got a reaction from FFWF in Archie Sonic Main Discussion   
    Some things to keep in mind regarding the license going to a different publisher:
    No one else has Archie's newsstand/subscription distribution (other than DC and Marvel to an extent and neither wants the license) so those sales are off the table. Meaning IDW or any interested publisher would look more closely at the direct market sales. Those haven't been great and are unlikely to justify a keep-everything-the-same attitude.
    Archie has lost the license but digital copies of the books are still available as are the majority of their trades. The biggest reason to not reboot would be to keep interest in the backcatalog, but a new publisher would only be advertising for a competitor in this case.
    I'm not seeing the contradictions. Fans have been in the dark for months and there has been very little backlash. Some people are still in denial that the book is even ending at Archie. If they announce tomorrow that the Sonic subs are being changed to something else that draws a definitive line in the sand. More people will notice and be angry.
    Mega Man and Boom were different circumstances. They didn't lose the license for those books without notice.
    Personally I'm expecting the fabled e-mail update to go out next week. No update will be given for the status of the Sonic books, but it will announce that the subs have been changed to Jughead because Ian's first issue on the book is released next week. If they're not interested in Jughead, they'll have the alternative of changing their sub to store credit.
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    NotHole got a reaction from Borvoc in Archie Sonic Main Discussion   
    Some things to keep in mind regarding the license going to a different publisher:
    No one else has Archie's newsstand/subscription distribution (other than DC and Marvel to an extent and neither wants the license) so those sales are off the table. Meaning IDW or any interested publisher would look more closely at the direct market sales. Those haven't been great and are unlikely to justify a keep-everything-the-same attitude.
    Archie has lost the license but digital copies of the books are still available as are the majority of their trades. The biggest reason to not reboot would be to keep interest in the backcatalog, but a new publisher would only be advertising for a competitor in this case.
    I'm not seeing the contradictions. Fans have been in the dark for months and there has been very little backlash. Some people are still in denial that the book is even ending at Archie. If they announce tomorrow that the Sonic subs are being changed to something else that draws a definitive line in the sand. More people will notice and be angry.
    Mega Man and Boom were different circumstances. They didn't lose the license for those books without notice.
    Personally I'm expecting the fabled e-mail update to go out next week. No update will be given for the status of the Sonic books, but it will announce that the subs have been changed to Jughead because Ian's first issue on the book is released next week. If they're not interested in Jughead, they'll have the alternative of changing their sub to store credit.
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    NotHole got a reaction from Miragnarok in Archie Sonic Main Discussion   
    Some things to keep in mind regarding the license going to a different publisher:
    No one else has Archie's newsstand/subscription distribution (other than DC and Marvel to an extent and neither wants the license) so those sales are off the table. Meaning IDW or any interested publisher would look more closely at the direct market sales. Those haven't been great and are unlikely to justify a keep-everything-the-same attitude.
    Archie has lost the license but digital copies of the books are still available as are the majority of their trades. The biggest reason to not reboot would be to keep interest in the backcatalog, but a new publisher would only be advertising for a competitor in this case.
    I'm not seeing the contradictions. Fans have been in the dark for months and there has been very little backlash. Some people are still in denial that the book is even ending at Archie. If they announce tomorrow that the Sonic subs are being changed to something else that draws a definitive line in the sand. More people will notice and be angry.
    Mega Man and Boom were different circumstances. They didn't lose the license for those books without notice.
    Personally I'm expecting the fabled e-mail update to go out next week. No update will be given for the status of the Sonic books, but it will announce that the subs have been changed to Jughead because Ian's first issue on the book is released next week. If they're not interested in Jughead, they'll have the alternative of changing their sub to store credit.
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    NotHole reacted to Borvoc in Archie Sonic Main Discussion   
    @NotHole Sorry. I was spinning off your comment more than trying to disagree with you. I fully agree that the comic industry hardly knows that the licensed Archie books even exist. They're "kid books", not "real books" for "real comic fans".
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    NotHole got a reaction from Borvoc in Archie Sonic Main Discussion   
    I can't speculate Archie's expectations for the book because none of us can know those, but every publisher understandably wants to present the narrative that their book is a huge success. That's why Sonic Boom #1's cover says "Based on the hit new video game" despite...you know.
    I would guess a little of it was wish-fulfillment on fans part and a lot of it was undue weight given to the second printing. Another often repeated mistake is that Mega Drive was the first Sonic comic with an additional printing. A lot of the early specials and minis had multiple printings because Archie kept them in print for years. Comic shops were ordering copies of Sonic in Your Face as late as 2005.
    My intent wasn't to disparage the quality of the Sonic/Mega Man books. But I do think a preaching to choir thing happens with them. Sonic/Mega Man fans on Sonic/Mega Man messageboards/social media spaces telling other Sonic/Mega Man fans that the books are the best comics being published.
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