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    PeterPancake got a reaction from DaddlerTheDalek in Sonic Live Action Movie Thread (Read OP for topic rules) "Trailer 2 on Page 482)   
    This trailer makes me question that leaked plot from months ago. Did they reshoot and rewrite Sonic's origin?
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    PeterPancake reacted to CaptainRobo in Sonic Live Action Movie Thread (Read OP for topic rules) "Trailer 2 on Page 482)   
    Someone had isolate Sonic from the background and the foreground from the leaked image. Now we had a clear image of the leaked Sonic. Here's how it's look like.:
    Source: https://twitter.com/DrakeTheroux/status/1191965891354877953
    Found this with the tan arms.:
    Source: https://twitter.com/SonicpoX/status/1192125801128431617
     
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    PeterPancake got a reaction from CaptainRobo in Sonic Live Action Movie Thread (Read OP for topic rules) "Trailer 2 on Page 482)   
    Better and better with each new look. I'm ready for that trailer 
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    PeterPancake got a reaction from Myst in Sonic Live Action Movie Thread (Read OP for topic rules) "Trailer 2 on Page 482)   
    Better and better with each new look. I'm ready for that trailer 
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    PeterPancake got a reaction from Dr Ryan in Sonic Live Action Movie Thread (Read OP for topic rules) "Trailer 2 on Page 482)   
    Better and better with each new look. I'm ready for that trailer 
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    PeterPancake got a reaction from DaddlerTheDalek in Sonic Live Action Movie Thread (Read OP for topic rules) "Trailer 2 on Page 482)   
    Better and better with each new look. I'm ready for that trailer 
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    PeterPancake got a reaction from thumbs13 in Sonic Live Action Movie Thread (Read OP for topic rules) "Trailer 2 on Page 482)   
    My guess is Puma and the studio didn't want the design to be interrupted. They wanted them to be recognizable Pumas. 
     
    I agree, shoe brand deals are an obvious brand tie in for a Sonic movie and I agree that they could have went for a more recognizable design but I understand the logic behind what we got. And if Mystic is right, Sonic would have went to a more recognizable shoe in the climax. I really like that idea too becuz it shows the writer were concerned with character development on Sonic. Something we haven't gotten on him since the Adventure series (+ Unleashed)
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    PeterPancake reacted to Nina Cortex Jovahexeon in Sonic Live Action Movie Thread (Read OP for topic rules) "Trailer 2 on Page 482)   
    You've never really expressed that you ever did really.
    He might not have known that.
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    PeterPancake got a reaction from Myst in Sonic Live Action Movie Thread (Read OP for topic rules) "Trailer 2 on Page 482)   
    Glad the redesign is real. Looks great so far. Closer to what I was originally imagining they'd do 
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    PeterPancake got a reaction from Dr Ryan in Sonic Live Action Movie Thread (Read OP for topic rules) "Trailer 2 on Page 482)   
    Glad the redesign is real. Looks great so far. Closer to what I was originally imagining they'd do 
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    PeterPancake got a reaction from DaddlerTheDalek in Sonic Live Action Movie Thread (Read OP for topic rules) "Trailer 2 on Page 482)   
    This design is nice. I hope it's real
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    PeterPancake got a reaction from CaptainRobo in Sonic Live Action Movie Thread (Read OP for topic rules) "Trailer 2 on Page 482)   
    This design is nice. I hope it's real
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    PeterPancake got a reaction from Myst in Sonic Live Action Movie Thread (Read OP for topic rules) "Trailer 2 on Page 482)   
    This design is nice. I hope it's real
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    PeterPancake got a reaction from Myst in Sonic Live Action Movie Thread (Read OP for topic rules) "Trailer 2 on Page 482)   
    They definitely toned down the muscles so that might make some happy. He kinda looks like a Who from the Grinch now. I think this is appealing in a way
    There's a certain charm to him
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    PeterPancake got a reaction from Myst in Sonic Live Action Movie Thread (Read OP for topic rules) "Trailer 2 on Page 482)   
    That trailer was AWESOME!! Can't fucking wait for this movie 
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    PeterPancake reacted to sonic 1-derful in Is the fanbase as large and as active today as it was 10-15 years ago?   
    when I made the comment about sonic's popularity in the 90's, it wasn't just about the fans, it was about the general public. he was more recognisable than mickey mouse during that time. everyone knew who he was. 
    the problems began to surface around '94 in terms of games. I remember reading reviews in magazines that claimed that the formula had gotten stale. this was in regards to 'sonic & knuckles' and 'knuckles chaotix'.
    I also remember reading comments on fan forums in the early 2000's from people not liking 'sonic adventure 2 battle', and longing for the days of the 2d gameplay. this is probably why the advance series was created.
    the cartoons were, and still are, always able to remain popular and bring in new fans. I think if all else fails, this is where the focus should be. I can only speak for the uk, but in terms of 'edge',  'adventures of sonic the hedgehog' was always much more popular than 'sat:am'. that should tell us something.. comedy has been part of the brand for a long time now. it wouldn't make sense to abandon that.
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    PeterPancake reacted to Ryannumber1gamer in Is the fanbase as large and as active today as it was 10-15 years ago?   
    I don't really think it's a case of things dying per say, but rather SEGA (granted, unintentionally) killing off the good will that Mania garnered for them. Forces was meh, TSR was fun, but overshadowed by CTR (which ironically ended up being screwed), but to me personally, I think the biggest hit is the movie, because that just shot Sonic straight back down into the realm of a joke.
    In the same vain though, the movie ironically confirms that it's far from dead, because pretty much everybody from all walks of life with some kind of vague understanding of Sonic rose up to take the total piss out of the design, trailer, and movie in general, from hardcore fans, to casuals, to massive YT influences, talk show hosts, and whatever else, so we're in a really awkward situation where the movie has managed to splinter any good will because Paramount and those behind it are seemingly so dumb that they couldn't understand the obvious red flags popping up everywhere, and paid a heavy cost for it, while technically it caused such a massive stir, and major-wide fuck-up, especially so soon after Mania revived a ton of interest in the series that a ton of people came together, more than I've seen in a long time in this fanbase to more or less majority agree that the design sucked ass, and should be fixed.
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    PeterPancake got a reaction from CaptainRobo in Sonic Live Action Movie Thread (Read OP for topic rules) "Trailer 2 on Page 482)   
    I'm glad they listened to fans. This type of thing is unprecedented in Hollywood.
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    PeterPancake reacted to Sonic Fan J in Sonic Live Action Movie Thread (Read OP for topic rules) "Trailer 2 on Page 482)   
    Not to defend a viewpoint I'm personally critical of, but this is a bit of a false equivalency that you're using that barely relates at all. The disdain for the movie is based on personal preference and expectations where as Sonic 4 not playing like the classics is an objective that those who obsessed over the most minute understanding of were able o see well in advance. Even when one can prove that the majority thinks something is ugly or likely you fail you have to consider that hat is a collection of subjective viewpoints that happen to align. The only fact that can be gleaned from that is that the majority, which can literally be defined as ≥50.0...1%, think it is ugly and that it will fail. It's not a fair comparison even if your intentions are in the right place.
    So onto the problem in general
    The problem is that you aren't taking into consideration how much affect that first opinion has on most people (my dad and I were just discussing first opinions the other day) and a number of the other factors that result in these outcomes. Most importantly however is that most forums like this one are made up of eth minority of people who will be consuming the product in any form. We are though particularly loud so we can seem like a lot more voices than we are. So these other movies succeeding for a number of entries is typically due to the silent majority continuing to partake to some extent since the declining numbers speak for themselves. For most studios whose primary purpose is to make money that is enough reason to let the creators go at it again regardless of critical or fan reception. That is one of the unique hurdles that the Sonic movie has encountered though, like New Coke their was enough public outcry and disdain that the prospect of making money looked threatened and the studio doubled back to avoid that and recover as much of the production costs as possible even if it has cost them more money in the process. Considering that let's break it down a little bit further
    There are three things to consider here.
    1) The marketing department is using millions of dollars to convince us that we should want to see it. They have failed at that in part to not putting out a great trailer which overrides the controversial design and because they had to promote a movie from a franchise whose main character in the 90s had a design rivaling Mickey Mouse in global recognition. That means you have a lot of people already having a pre conceived notion of what Sonic should look like that they've passed o to their children, nieces, and nephews. Thus you have a very large amount of people who are trained to think of Sonic in a particular way making the marketing team's job even harder since the trailer shows nothing outside of Sonic smashing an unrecognizable and unnamed even Dr Eggman/Robotnik that one could relate to the IP in any existing interpretation. It's a astronomically hard sell at this point.
    2) You frequent mentioning of the test screening actually references back to saying see it to know for sure. Trust your own eyes in other words, and considering the one South American screening got me hopeful we would get something I found better than the motion poster and not less appealing to me, "seeing is believing" became a very good point of reference for me and a lot of others. it what I meant when I said that people have felt betrayed, and it definitely was not in a good way based on the response from Paramount to rebuild Sonic for the movie.
    3)I wonder if you are familiar with the saying "speak with your wallet". If not it is a saying that generally means if you want the company trying to convince you to spend your money on their product that you don't like then don't spend any money on it. At this point most people contributing to this thread who don't like it have expressed a dislike of the live-action setting for Sonic, a human audience surrogate who will naturally take away from Sonic and Eggman to justify their presence, the lack of most game elements beyond use as Easter Eggs and a general avoidance of the source material, a generic plot of human with problems gets help from alien (in)directly while helping alien (part of why E.T is kind of a horrible thing to say to think of for this movie as again it makes Tom the main character and not Sonic), the movie design for Sonic, Eggman, and Eggman's robots, as well as the lack of that fantastical and surreal worlds presented in the games no less the cast of characters, and even Sonic's unusual never seen before lightning and EMP powers.
    In short, regardless of how valid or not the complaints seem to you, to the person expressing them they are extremely important and enough reason to dislike the movie and express that in any form they can think of, up to and including not spending money on the movie.
    So, while you're right that one can not, and should not pass final judgement on something they have yet to experience for themselves, they can say that it looks bad to them and that they don't want to give it the chance to prove them wrong. Now of course you also have to consider that sometimes when you see someone say "this is bad" that they simply aren't fully detailing their opinion as they are being economical with their time and are frequently action under the presumption that when they say they think something is bad and going to fail that everyone already understands all of eth additional information that goes into those words. And frankly they are not wrong to as most people talk to those they immediately know who typically do already presume all of that background information when the statement is said or something similar enough. When those presumptions don't exist typically that is when "why do you think that" should be asked. Unfortunately not everyone is willing to elaborate simply due to either an inability or refusal to believe that someone doesn't see something the same way they do. In those cases it is usually best to move on as there is no need to hurt yourself trying to engage with people like that.
    My favorite example of a movie I found great but had horrible trailers was Get Smart starring Steve Carrell. Problem there though is that it mostly looked like they were being untruthful to the character of Maxwell Smart and not making him an elite agent like we was. In other words it was appearing unfaithful to the source material just like the Sonic movie. The big problem here though is that only Maxwell Smart seemed off (fortunately he wasn't, didn't even miss it by that much) where with the Sonic movie everything seems off or looks off. Bright fantastical worlds that can support darker narratives and themes. Nope, just the good ol' USA as Hollywood is wont to stick with. Oshima's iconic design that once rivaled Mickey Mouse in global recognition. Nope, instead a strangely human take on a cartoon hedgehog that doesn't even try beyond the most basic description of the character (I am kind of surprised that they didn't take inspiration from how Sonic's eyes were in the OVA and just give him a white raccoon mask to simulate his mono eye/eye mask). Eggman's colorful and inventive robots that highlight his playful and goofy sides. Nope, just generic Hollywood evil drones in black and red. And it goes on and on.
    This of course leads us to your question of why not go in with neutral expectations and waiting to judge until after you've seen it with your own eyes. Well, if we look at the above paragraph there are very hefty amount of expectations that go with using Sonic and not meeting them is frequently met with disappointment (Paramount is alone here as SEGA isn't safe from that either). Now the problem that your idea of stay neutral is very hard to have as usually the only way someone can stay neutral is to be completely unfamiliar with something. If you don't know anything you don't know what to expect and can't have any expectations; only hopes of liking what you see. But you won't find that wit hSOnic here at least. This is a Sonic fansite so everyone here knows Sonic and has there own expectations for him so there is no way they can look at the movie and stay neutral. Even major supporters like @PeterPancake and @Myst are so overjoyed to see Sonic on the big screen that their expectations of the joy that should bring most Sonic fans ill prepared them for the reality that unfolded. They expected the love of Sonic that Sonic fans have would have made them love the movie but their expectations underestimated just how much people love Sonic. They love him to the point that they only want to see him done right and done justice, and unfortunately even if this movie were to put Shakespeare to shame it isn't doing Sonic right or doing justice to the brand. it is changing nigh everything and telling people that what they love can't succeed. Believe it or not but that is very easy to take as a personal insult because you're effectively being told what you like sucks and can't entertain anyone, yourself included. Arrogant hyperbole like that leaves people actually hoping for failure just to spite those who wronged them and prove that they had no understanding of why something was popular in the first place which has already been proven just by saying they have to change it or it doesn't work It's a bit of a messy situation where respect was lost the moment the creators didn't show any to what they were adapting and the fanbase of nearly thirty years. When you start by insulting people, no matter how unintentional, you lower people's expectations out of the gate making it even more difficult to have neutral expectations.
    There is in the end a lot of negativity around this project because their is a lot of love from the fans and the creators of the movie, but the creators lacked respect and created distrust and lowered expectations. When those lowered expectations were exceeded in ways that were not well received it only made the original distrust stronger and the emotions built from feelings of betrayal that much fiercer. Unfortunately no amount of positivity on your end can overcome that instilled bitterness that you've been seeing here. just know though that it is so deeply ingrained because of how much everyone here loves Sonic, even if it is their view of Sonic that they potentially love instead as it is still Sonic.
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    PeterPancake got a reaction from Miragnarok in Sonic Live Action Movie Thread (Read OP for topic rules) "Trailer 2 on Page 482)   
    What I meant was a Nolan-esque darker take, like the one that was rumored back in 2013. If they wanted a much more grim take on Sonic where they lean into the whole alien thing a lot more with R-Rated violence. 
     
    Like imagine seeing a gruesome 
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    PeterPancake got a reaction from BaronGrackle in Sonic Live Action Movie Thread (Read OP for topic rules) "Trailer 2 on Page 482)   
    Yea, that's disappointing. But that's what happens when they decided to go the kids movie route. They don't have deep arcs or any substantial character growth in these Alvin-type movies. I just hope they at least make a fun movie that families can enjoy. At least bring Sonic back into the limelight in a positive way. Because the design didn't do them any favors 
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    PeterPancake reacted to Myst in Sonic Live Action Movie Thread (Read OP for topic rules) "Trailer 2 on Page 482)   
    I had an idea for something they could do for the marketing campaign. A 'trailer' of sorts announcing the redesign.
    White background. A crew member holds up a clapperboard. 'Sonic movie redesign auditions, take one!' Out walks Danny Devito in a poorly made Sonic costume. 'Gotta go fast!'
    Take 2!
    Out walks Dwayne 'The Rock' Johnson, speaking in a high pitched voice. 'It's-a me, Ma-' 'No! wrong character!' 'What?' 'This is for the SONIC THE HEDGEHOG movie' Dwayne pauses. '..Never heard of it.'
    Cut!
    Now Ryan Reynolds is standing there, sipping a coffee. 'Wow, I'm surprised. I didn't think we'd be doing a sequel so quickly.' Sips cup. 'No, this is for Sonic!' Reynolds pauses with a grimace. '..The Hedgehog?' 'Yes!' '..That's it, i'm firing my agent.' Reynolds drops the cup and walks off.
    Danny Devito again. 'I'm waiiiiting!'
    Montage of scenes from the trailer, only this time Sonic is blurred out. Announcer says 'Get ready for a whole new hedgehog.' Title logo, followed by 'February 2020' 
    I think something silly and self depricating would be funny and endear audiences to the film, while still keeping the movie fresh in the public's mind.
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    PeterPancake reacted to CaptainRobo in Sonic Live Action Movie Thread (Read OP for topic rules) "Trailer 2 on Page 482)   
    So, I found this. Someone made an trailer with the Normal Sonic. It’s looks cool. This is what could have been, if they put the Normal one in instead of the one that they made for the movie.
     
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    PeterPancake got a reaction from FFWF in Sonic Live Action Movie Thread (Read OP for topic rules) "Trailer 2 on Page 482)   
    So... Then what does Paramount do to promote the real Sonic? They're probably changing the shoes too. The licensing deal with Puma is going out the window. The thing is, changing the design is not a decision made in a box. It has a ripple effect that affects many of the cards set in place. 
     
    They also have to renegotiate their agreement with USPS as well, which they were definitely going to use to promote the movie. Since the Sonic in that pre-rendered spot is not going to be the same in the subsequent trailers or the movie itself. 
     
    I'm interested in seeing how this all plays out. Because the design being as bad as it is, I'm not sure they'd want that representing their product to children and consumers 
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