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  1. FriesWithoutKetchup

    Sonic Forces may have destroyed the series storyline

    I'm constantly surprised by how negatively people reacted to Tails in Forces. It just... wasn't THAT odd or out-of-character to me, and it made enough sense given what happened in the plot itself.
  2. Does anyone else feel like the games themselves aren't really the 'main' problem? Like, on their own, the games just... are. Good, bad, it all ends up being subjective - some people love the games that are considered terrible, while the universally acclaimed ones have people who can't stand them.

    From my perspective... the fanbase itself is waayyy more of a problem than the quality of the games themselves. And of course, I don't mean everyone in the fanbase or every part of it... but I think you guys know what I mean.

    The games being 'bad' don't make me wanna stay away from Sonic as a whole or bring me negativity. It's the ways the crazy and toxic parts of the fanbase act and react to the games that does that for me.

    Before Forces came out, I never paid much attention to the Sonic fanbase and it's 'reputation' - I knew of it, but I was always disconnected from it despite loving Sonic since I was little. Now, after playing and REALLY liking Forces and wanting to get a TINY bit more involved... I definitely see why the Sonic fanbase has the reputation it has.

    1. PaulyBFromDa303

      PaulyBFromDa303

      This is why i judge for myself. I don't need some Roger and Ebert wanabes or their sheep telling me what i like and what i don't like. I go for my own natural reaction

      Isn't that how LIFE in general is supposed to work?

    2. Shaddy the Zaphod

      Shaddy the Zaphod

      "It's not that fun to be a Sonic fan but that has nothing to do with Sonic Team" is paraphrasing a pretty good quote I've seen here.

       

      Tons of franchises are inconsistent in quality, have weird or often disliked entries, and have continued to have them for a lot longer and a lot worse than Sonic. The problem that comes with liking Sonic is far separated from this.

    3. blueblur98

      blueblur98

      even before release, i was simply sick of talking about forces. it's like people want to prevent any and all discussion relating to the game by being as toxic as possible.

      it's really unfortunate. this place is tame compared to other places on the internet. the infamous gameFAQs message boards have multiple users that bash, berate and, in one case, attempt to force someone else to delete their account.

      in one thread, a user tried to advocate the death of a journalist that was in support of the game. the OP showed support for the idea. i'm not making this up; this actually happened, and neither of the users that incited violence got banned or punished in any way.

      i've also heard horror stories like someone on r/sonicthehedgehog trying to invalidate the criticisms a user made on a game if that user liked forces.

      people say the sonic fanbase is bad because 'the OCs are cringy', instead of stuff like this.

      i really hate this fanbase sometimes.

    4. Space☆Yeow

      Space☆Yeow

      @Shaddy the Zaphod most of those franchises don't come with the territory of being one of the most iconic franchises in the medium. when you're promoted as and are still considered (to some extent) a direct rival to mario, hold a footstone in popular culture, and are one of the most prolific game series in sales (over 360M across retail and digital games); it's way less easy keeping a low profile about whatever internal conflicts your fanbase may have about the various directions and changes this series has undergone.

      on that note, most franchises also aren't multimedia giants--as a game series, flamewars over the games get the chief spotlight, but you also have to factor sonic fans accustomed towards the various animated tv series and the comic books, which have their own factions as well and also (more often than not) have their own say on the games taking influence from those properties as well. aosth, satam, the ova, underground, sonic x, boom (itself a complete spinoff series), fleetway sonic the comic, archie sonic (which throughout its long 24-year run has its own can of worms with the various writers/artists brought in, esp. with the baggage concerning ken penders), and so on.

    5. The Deleter

      The Deleter

      Not really. The fanbase is a problem for some, and a problem for itself, but that's mostly isolated in the fanbase itself in the first place. Sonic did sort of get a reputation from the fanbase eventually, but it's much less about their toxicity than the general public's 'opinion' towards them.

      People came to hate him for the games and the constant shifting directions that alienated them, not for the arguments. Maybe later on, if the fanbase division gets extreme enough, the fanbase can be cited as yet another inherent problem with the series, but it's also largely a product of the series' own creation. (The toxicity is entirely on them, though)

      It can definitely be a core issue for some people, though. Personally I'd take time away from the fanbase, if it makes you feel that badly about what you enjoy. There's no guarentee it'll get better any time soon, and if you aren't concerned much with what people think of the series, why bother? Find out what makes you happy, and do that. Hanging out in a place that largely disagrees with you and what you enjoy will just end up making you feel worse than you need to be.

    6. Wraith

      Wraith

      There is no excuse for how sonic fans act. I don't care what sega is doing with the franchise. I don't care how many subdivisions there are or whatever. This is consistently one of the most toxic and argumentative fanbases I've been in and that stuff doesn't just come from controversial video games. I've been a part of worse fanbases with better overall products than this and vice versa. It's just a behavioral issue. People think analysis and debating is the only discussion worth having but they don't know how to do either of those things, so it just turns nasty every time. 

    7. King Koopone

      King Koopone

      Personally it is a bit of both as in both factors come to play rearing its head. The Sonic fanbase is known for being fractured even something like 20 years ago where you had the fanbase for the games and the fanbase for SatAM/Archie comics that only got worse when more subdivisions existed (Classic and Modern argument, Adventure fans, the rise of AoSTH but mostly just Robotnik from that, Sonic X, Boom cartoon, Archie comic changes, now IDW and Mania). Classic and Modern are the most clashy out of that list hence people compare Mania and Forces even though they are for two different demographics and both different in the way they play and feel. There's a famous saying, you can't please them all but the way of current society means that people are getting harder and harder to please at all. Then there are the games themselves, some of the games mechanically weren't polished but people liked the style while other games were polished enough or at least acceptable and they don't like it.

      With what blueblur said, it's not just Sonic that this has happened to but also the likes of Call of Duty where developers got death threats from the "fans" over something as hard to notice as weapon timing in milliseconds. It is also more direct too since most of Sonic Team are away from social media.

      It might be very strong coming from me but I think gaming in general just needs to cool down. Not just the Sonic fanbase but pretty much a vast majority of fanbases, websites and online multiplayer/communities in the games themselves (probably except niche RPGs but even then it still applies like with what people are saying about Octopath Traveller and people forcing to play certain series that might not be for them such as the Trials in the Sky as an example). The toxicity, the hotheadedness, the lack of respect over different opinions, the name calling, the sarcastic comebacks/shitposts, the insults that mostly the Americans say that wouldn't fly in another country and getting away with it whether you're 14 or 43. All of that needs to go.

      Also like Pauly, I judge games by my own opinion whether I like them, find them okay or don't like them.

  3. FriesWithoutKetchup

    Sonic Forces Final DLC - What is it?

    I have no idea what it could be, or even if there'll be anything at all. If it IS something, I hope it's something that fixes the controls, maybe adds in some new & longer levels, and more animated cutscenes - that'd make me happy.
  4. FriesWithoutKetchup

    [Roleplay] Looking for potential 1X1 RP partners

    Still here, and still looking xDD I don't know what else I could include in this post to make it more 'substantive' or 'detailed', but yeah, I don't want this thread to die off completely - I'm still very much hoping to find potential partners!
  5. FriesWithoutKetchup

    Sonic Live Action Movie "Jim Carrey? Alrighty Then!"

    I... am shocked, in all the right ways. xDD I was already going to see this movie no matter what, but with this news… I absolutely MUST see this movie. If it goes through, of course - I’m half expecting this news to be shot down or proven false tomorrow. xD
  6. FriesWithoutKetchup

    If You Could Pick One Unused Sonic Content

    All of the stuff that was cut out of Forces, easily. I really wanna know what that game could've been if they hadn't cut so much content.
  7. FriesWithoutKetchup

    How much content should be in a Sonic game?

    Personally, I always prefer games that are long rather than short. I'm not a fan of beating a game the same day I bought it - as much as I loved Forces, I so so so SO wished that there was a ton more content in it and that the game was longer. Me, I love REALLY long games. RPG's like the Dragon Age and Mass Effect games. So a Sonic game as long as those and with that amount of content would be right up my alley. If those are TOO long, then I'd go with stuff as big and long as the Adventure Games. Just my opinions though.
  8. Hey internet, Spellcheck, whatever the powers that be are: positivity IS an actual word. Get that damned red line outta here. D<

    xDD

    1. Ashwalking Bat

      Ashwalking Bat

      That moment when Google Chrome thinks a word doesn't exist, but it really does...

    2. PaulyBFromDa303

      PaulyBFromDa303

      Did you know "gullible" isn't in the dictionary?

      #DadJokes2018

  9. FriesWithoutKetchup

    Sonic Live Action Movie "Jim Carrey? Alrighty Then!"

    Well, first of all, I don't believe that I made any unwarranted assertions of someone's character. I also never said that everyone was blindly mad and love to hate things. I only argued that being overly negative and pessimistic wasn't very constructive.
  10. FriesWithoutKetchup

    Sonic Live Action Movie "Jim Carrey? Alrighty Then!"

    ...how is anyone 'policing' them? People are allowed to think and say whatever they want, this is a public forum area where they're allowed to post their thoughts and opinions as much as they want. If someone's saying that someone CAN'T have a certain opinion or say something, then sure, that's policing them and shouldn't be taking place. That also means that people are allowed to criticize their thoughts and opinions, which people do on this site ALL the time. If someone is optimistic about the movie and says as much here on this site, they're opening themselves up to criticism, rebuttal, argumentation, etc. The same applies to people who're negative about the movie. Some of the people who are negative are looking at all of the available information about the movie and expressing their disdain for it, which is fine. Similarly, if people feel like the general mood and outlook towards the movie is far too negative, why on Earth shouldn't they be allowed to express as much? If groups of people wanna be negative about the movie, that's fine... but that doesn't shield them from polite and civil criticism or opposing opinions, even if those opinions are about their negative outlook.
  11. FriesWithoutKetchup

    Sonic Live Action Movie "Jim Carrey? Alrighty Then!"

    With all due respect, I'd also argue that constant negativity and pessimism about a movie that there's not even a trailer of yet... isn't very constructive either.
  12. FriesWithoutKetchup

    Team Sonic Racing - E3 Demo Footage/Impressions

    I don't see what's wrong with Tails being kinda out-of-character, especially in a spin-off racing game. I found it quite hilarious to see him saying such things. Is it really that big of a deal?
  13. FriesWithoutKetchup

    Sonic Live Action Movie "Jim Carrey? Alrighty Then!"

    This doesn't sound bad at all, to me. The one thing I really hope is that they at LEAST get Tails and Knuckles in there, I don't want Sonic being the only 'Mobian' in the whole film.
  14. FriesWithoutKetchup

    Sonic Live Action Movie "Jim Carrey? Alrighty Then!"

    I personally hope Sonic looks like his normal 3D/CGI self surrounded by humans. Like in the Progressive commercials with Flo. xDD
  15. FriesWithoutKetchup

    Which Sonic Game deserves a sequel the most?

    Which game DESERVES a sequel? I'd probably go with Sonic Unleashed, since it seems like it did a lot of things right and most people seem to look back on it positively nowadays - perhaps a sequel that fixed the werehog stages and kept everything that everyone loved about the 'normal' Sonic stages would be a huge hit. Either that or Shadow the Hedgehog, either going full-blown dark and serious or totally embracing the cheese and edge in a very self-aware manner. The game I'd personally WANT a sequel to, though, is Sonic Forces - I'd love another game with MORE content, LONGER levels, LONGER cutscenes, BETTER controls, MORE avatar customization, bringing Infinite BACK and doing a lot more with him... I'd be all over that in a heartbeat. xD
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