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  1. Morning SSMB.

    Feeling burnt out after a night of work and hungry since I have to fast for a blood test. Regardless today's update for my story blog goes live at 8am PST on schedule. Please enjoy.

    1. DanJ86

      DanJ86

      Oh, you have a blood test? I hope things go well. Fasting can be difficult.

    2. Failinhearts

      Failinhearts

      Morning! Hope things go well!

    3. tailsBOOM!

      tailsBOOM!

      Morning!

    4. Sonic Fan J

      Sonic Fan J

      Well, I see my endocrinologist next week so I'll see how I'm doing then. Hopefully well.

  2. Morning SSMB (kind of silly of me to say now since I'll be getting off soon after being on all night)

    It's Monday morning and that means my story blog will be updating at 8am PST. I hope everyone who checks it out enjoys.

    1. Failinhearts
    2. tailsBOOM!

      tailsBOOM!

      Noon (It's exactly 12 PM for me)

  3. Glad it helped. I honestly thought I went overboard honestly so it makes me glad that it helped clear some things up for you. Yeah, Archie definitely isn't as densely known as it's fans like to think. It is fairly widely known though as I've seen Japanese fanart, Australians obsessed with it, people from Hungary and all over Europe and South America. So while it's widely known, that familiarity is sparse at best. And knowing why you went with the special stage rings makes sense now too so thanks for clearing that up for me. Though it also doesn't surprise me how few people are aware of the teleporting ability of certain rings in general as the last Genesis/Mega Drive release was over twenty years ago and Sonic Advance 3 didn't have a lot of penetration into the market. There are so many fans who started during the adventure era and after who also never played the handhelds that it really doesn't surprise me that people may not know. Then there are also those who don't like the 2D games and just don't touch them resulting in their lack of knowledge. Sonic can and should push Tom just like Tom should be able to and needs to push Sonic for their relationship to work. Even without any plans to ever see the movie it would be disappointing if they didn't. The big problem I see with it right now though is there is a distinct difference to dealing with an alien and the government enabled terrorist who wants to capture him than the day to day affairs of keeping the peace in a big city. Interacting with Sonic will definitely help Tom develop and test his abilities to act on the fly learn what he can and can't do physically. There is an awful lot Tom can get from interacting with Sonic, but proving he has what it takes to be a big city cop is so much more than being good in tense situations. They're is mediating (a useless skill when dealing with Eggman as your villain), keeping tracks of massive amounts of information and the relationships you build up on your beat. there is understanding the laws and the ways they can and need to be enforced as well as what neighborhoods and city blocks suffer what crimes and are stalked by what criminal elements. Sonic and Eggman are both unfortunately fully flamboyant in most cases, especially when dealing with each other, and that obscures any room to develop recognition of nuance and subtlety (two things Eggman has never had in any iteration and that Jim Carrey is obviously not portraying in the trailer). So yeah, Sonic can help Tom a lot, and for the story to feel like Tom is an important part to it he has to push Sonic as well. the problem I have though is that Sonic as an alien, human responsibility ignorant character can't help Tom face everything he needs to prove his worth as a cop. As a result I don't find Sonic a good pairing with Tom's dreams and it would take some really special writing to make it work in a way that I would be satisfied with. With everything I've seen though it is unlikely the movie is even concerned with that and that feels like a waste to me. Well, I can't speak for others but an Easter Egg to me is usually a nod to obscure trivia from the same IP that's usually a blink and you'll miss it moment. Beyond Sonic saying "gotta go fast" which I only ever see as a way to mock the IP these days I don't recall anything in the trailer that I would call an Easter Egg. As I said though, that's just for me and I can't speak for others. I definitely understand getting bothered by people being too knee jerk (though I've been guilty of it as well) but this is kind of an example one should study history so as not to repeat the mistakes of the past. Unfortunately most of the people using those movies like Yogi Bear, Alvin and the Chipmunks, the Smurfs, Woody Woodpecker, etc. is that to them these were bad movies and all took cartoon characters who were not designed in any capacity to be seen through a real world lens. So when you try to use them as an example it doesn't work because to them the Sonic Movie is following the same path to being a terrible movie. It then doesn't help that one of the early script writers was saying what movie to think of (GotG vs the Smurfs) and then when the plot leaked it proved him wrong with the trailer supporting the leak. It created a loss of trust and only allowed people to further dig in their heels based on their history with what they considered bad movies. So reviews and sales mean nothing to them and then combine that with those most vocal about the movies also being negative it reinforces that negative perspective. So while you can understandably be frustrated about it, the reasoning behind it usually clarifies. That and people have a tendency of trying to be concise and/or relying on hot takes to get attention. It's an unfortunate situation but one that is more culturally ingrained than it seems. At the very least I can assure you I wouldn't like. Kids saving the super hero (easily my least favorite episode of Batman TAS) is one of those tropes that rubs me all kinds of wrong along with body swaps, circular time travel, and replacing yourself in an other reality. Those are plot lines that have always felt tacky to me for as long as I've remember and even as a little kid did the one in the above did not make me feel more special but felt like a disservice to my heroes. As a result I probably wouldn't defend it if people did insult it. Otherwise though, I appreciate being able to hold a level headed discussion with you despite the fact that we are on opposite ends of our feelings towards the movie. It's nice being able to see why it's liked while discussing why I dislike it with out it turning into a desperate need to convince the other that one viewpoint or the other is right. Again I appreciate that so thanks.
  4. Though none of them are carriable by Sonic and friends. When they do collect a giant ring it just ends up as fifty regular rings and possesses no teleportation powers. I probably should have detailed that part since typically the Warp Rings from Archie are carried on one's person and can be used anywhere like what the trailer shows, while the giant rings in the game are stationary, travel to fixed locations and not one of your own choosing, when collected lose their teleportation powers and become fifty rings, and are not always collectable. It's a pretty big difference and having to say that the giant rings are the basis for rings in the movie and then calling that an easter egg is kind of weird. I probably could have worded it better to be sure, but the rings in the movie make me think of Finitevus' Warp Rings and not Special Stage rings because the Warp Rings are the only rings in the franchise I know of that behave like the ones in the movie. Even when I first heard about the rings in the movie from the leaks that's where my mind went and I'm not even an Archie Sonic fan.
  5. I just posted a ridiculous wall of text in the Sonic movie and wonder why since I know it is very unlikely to be read no less responded to. What was I thinking I wonder 🤔

  6. This is actually more of a reference to the Archie Comics than any game. Sonic in the games collects rings as health first and foremost, as a key to accessing bonus stages and powering his super forms second, as a currency in a lot of other games, and as a speed and acceleration boost in racing games. The Rings being used as portals and teleportation from place to place is more akin to the Warp Rings primarily used by the Echidnas in in the Archie Comics, and most notably Finitevus; a well known villain amongst Archie Sonic fans. That's a pretty deep cut for a main franchise element that is always front and center for the most part and goes well outside of it's most iconic use. While it's probably important for the story of the movie as they are telling it (really I'd argue for collecting enough rings to create a ring portal to jump worlds would be more game accurate and not make rings more over powered than they are), it probably would have worked better to just use them like in SatAM and Sonic X where they are just a temporary powerup as those shows are still freshly talked about even to this day. Finitevus and warp rings are a little too deep for most people and hence the confusion and lack of knowledge on the part of many. I get that you are trying to be positive for the movie, and I think you should be if you are truly happy with what you have seen, but I'm curious what are you trying to accomplish by convincing other people to do that same. If you're just looking for a place to share your enthusiasm this tumblr https://sonicpositive.tumblr.com/post/185644409409/i-remember-the-first-time-i-ever-saw-a-sonic-game is a great place to go and to my knowledge they know a few other places as well. And no, I'm not trying to chase you off either, I'm just offering a suggestion based on a possible reason for your insistence that everyone be as positive about this movie as you, even those who don't like. That's kind of a tall order and seems really unfair to the opinions of others. As for me, I've given this movie so many chances now it's ridiculous. Even after a producer was quoted off record as saying the movie is about "a small town coming together to help the sheriff save Sonic from the government" I was willing to give it a chance. Even after all of the leaks I was willing to give it a chance. Even after how appalled I was with the motion poster I was willing to give it a chance. Even after reading the Tim miller interview where he defended ignoring the IP holder for "his" vision of what the character needs to be, an unproven vision that had no concept of why the character was popular and has such wide visual appeal, I still gave this movie a chance. Then the trailer came and watching Sonic's glutes move under his fur and skin while he was stretching was one of the most disturbing things I have ever seen. And that was followed by more wrong, after wrong, including the unnecessary use of the "gotta go fast" line (there's an actual easter egg) that is used to make fun of the franchise in the first place, and of course Sonic, having electricity powers that exist absolutely nowhere in the franchise beyond a shield from Sonic 3&K that let's you jump twice that he can use to emp the entire Pacific Northwest. That is not the SOnic I grew up with and see Sega put out year after year after year.. But it doesn't end there. Did you notice not a single character in the entire trailer is ever named? Not even Sonic himself. Why didn't that trailer at any point at least have Sonic's iconic finger wag, or his James Bond riffing introduction line of "I'm Sonic, Sonic the Hedgehog"? I get being positive for something you like, but I'm also of the understanding that you are harshest on the things you love, and nearly 450 pages of talk about this movie should tell you how much we love Sonic here. And before you ask me the rather condescending question of if I would like this movie more if it was animated (cg, hand drawn, etc.) let me tell you plain and simple, no. This movie has shown me no wonder, no sense of adventure and discovery, no ancients artifacts and the conflicts that ensue between Sonic and Eggman over them, no fantastical locations that could only exist in fiction (no a heap of giant lifeless brown mushrooms is not fantastical too me). The presentation of this movie, the advertising, the words of the producers and studio, the words of the early script writers, none of it has convinced me that this is Sonic the Hedgehog and no amount of being told to be positive or respect the creator's vision (funny how the movie team isn't doing that either) will change that, nor will just fixing Sonic's model or going fully animated regardless of the problem behind the concept of making an impossible cartoon character real world believable. Cause believe it or not, but I absolutely hate that mentality that something can only be believable if it has realistic visuals. That is a load of garbage that completely ignores the importance of acting, writing, and directing to weave together a story that you can effected by. Sure if you show a person get hit by a truck and show every last detail of the effect it has you will react because you understand the connotations of being hit by a truck and it's awful. But what about having somebody being bitten by a corpse turning into a walking corpse themselves. It's not particularly believable without good writing, acting, and directing to sell you that it is happening to the characters that your watching or reading about, and that is regardless of being live action or otherwise. Just jumping to the conclusion that visually realistic makes everything more believable is utter hogwash and disrespects the entire art of storytelling. So now you probably want to ask what I would do if I was tasked with making a live action Sonic movie (or maybe any Sonic movie of any kind). Well, believe it or not but I've played on that a number of times already in this thread. But before I repeat myself again, first allow me to explain to you how unnecessary I find the entire setting of this movie to a Sonic story. Tom is a small town cop who is married and believes he can make it as a big town cop. That is Tom's story arc and he will never experience it being with Sonic in any form because under no circumstances does Sonic's adventures allow Tom to see that he can make as a big town cop. Sonic's very existence by nature has to put Tom on a different character arc, and his desire to prove he can be a big town cop is never addressed. that is bad storytelling made possible by not paying attention to the reality that Sonic's introduction to Tom's life brings. In other words, Sonic actually ruins Tom's character arc and ability to accurately pursue his desires. But you know what, Tom doesn't have a bad story or set up. With a little change here or there you can tell a cool family story about friendship, the importance of family, and get Tom to see he has what it takes. Just to give you an example to how I would tell a story for Tom, give him and his wife a kid who's a runner in school (nickname Sonic if you want to pinpoint how fast he is) and have them travelling to San Francisco for a national track meet. Now along the way, even starting in their small town, they get involved with a drug deal gone totally sideways and Tom has to balance family matters (his kid getting to and competing in the track meet) while having the opportunity to prove he can handle big town cop work. Along the way gets involved with a PI also investigating this crime ring who he bonds with throughout the movie and the two of them have each others back even as the FBI eventually gets involved because it turns out it was that big of a mess. Naturally his family gets involved but somehow or anther they manage to wrap things up in a happy ending and Tom now knows he can be small town cop, a big town cop, and even keep pace with the FBI. he knows his skills as a cop are good enough, and he also bonded deeper with his family and made a life long friend over the course of this movie who helped him see how much he has. And there you have the basis for a great story about Tom the small town cop who believes he can do more as a cop. You follow his character arc with his motivation and desire as a core component and at no point does that require alien transdimensional hedgehog pull off, nor does it benefit Sonic in anyway. So now, that get's us to Sonic and what type of movie I would tell with him. To begin, let's consider that this movie is supposed to be both an origin for Sonic himself as he is primarily known (the game version) and that it is also supposed to introduce new fans to the IP as it currently exists. You then also should find that Sonic's bizarre world is kind of hard to swallow so you are probably going to need an audience surrogate who is human, this is something I don't actually disagree with as I understand the need for it. However you have to make your audience surrogate relatable. So, let's start putting together a story now. I like using Indiana Jones as my foundation because I find there are plenty of parallels to Sonic (adventuring hero faces off against mad scientist who wants ancient artifact to rule the world, sounds familiar huh). First off we'll need to establish Sonic even before we worry about the believability of the world as he is the main character and the story is about him. To that we should take what we know about him from the games where according to the Japanese manuals he is already the most famous hedgehog in the world when we start and that him and Eggman also have been going at it since long before Sonic went to South Island to answer the inhabitants plea for help. From Sonic 2 we also know that Sonic is a pilot and has his own plane, the Tornado, and is a staunch adventurer with knowledge about ancient legends and civilizations. He is also a bit of a daredevil who has a strong sense of justice and prefers living life by his own rules. That's an awful lot to cover, but you also have to address that he is open to letting other follow him if thy can which is how Tails is able to establish his friendship with Sonic (this again justifies the need for a secondary protagonist for Sonic to interact with). Knowing where we have to get to with Sonic let's use an easter egg to get things started, but also lets go for a cohabitation world between anthros and humans so Sonic is not completely unprecedented in the world and our audience surrogate can interact with him as an actual person instead of an alien lifeform to help make him more believable (notice we're not going with like a real world creature for believable as a description but being someone you can actually talk to because it should be normal in the story so the audience believes that it is normal making believable without gimmicks). Now back to that easter egg, and Indiana Jones as our base inspiration (a successful Hollywood film by the way that is action, adventure, and comedy just like Sonic), we'll start the movie with an elderly gent who runs the ancient peoples and anthropology department of some famous university set in post space age tech era inspired from the real world time period between WWI and WWII (or the biplane era as I like to call it as I think about movies like The Mummy and Porco Rosso) who is going through the library and notices that dust has been kicked up all over the place and complains about that blasted hedgehog messing with his stuff again before deciding cucumber sandwich will calm his nerves. From here cut to a private hanger and airstrip where a private pilot finds Sonic sitting in the cockpit of one of his biplanes flicking through the books he's "borrowed" and have them call out Sonic for his love of adventure and exploring ancient overgrown and forgotten civilizations. Now you can have Sonic talk about what he loves about it such as the juxtaposition of manmade works being taken over by nature which he stoutly supports, testing his speed against the traps and dangers of the old ruins, and so on while superimposing this dialog over scenes of Sonic doing those very things. Now the pilot can comment on Sonic likely needing a plane and deciding that he'll just give Sonic the one he trained him to fly on just so he doesn't have to fly him anymore but warning him that he'll have to find his own mechanic (a hint of meeting Tails later on in the games). Sonic is grateful and soon has the plane painted red with his name on the sides and heads off for his next adventure. At this point we have a movie beginning and characters interacting with Sonic and also showing that he is part of the world at large as a natural element that just is (yeah we didn't touch on his speed but Sonic get's his name from his speed and it isn't a necessary element to break down to me), but the audience isn't feeling pulled in yet because Sonic is pretty aloof and despite being accepted in story we have a human bias that makes it difficult for most people to relate to a meter tall anthropomorphic blue hedgehog who flies planes and runs at the speed of sound. That means it's time to bring in our audience surrogate and expand the world a little. But what makes for a good audience surrogate. Obviously being human is a good first step to deal with that human bias problem from above, but there are so many people who are so different that you can't just slap any old human in. You have to consider your audience (young boys for Sonic plus a thirty year established audience) and also how they fit into the world to tie everything together. Well, lets go with those themes of friendship and family and take a character who has to learn them while also showing the good and bad of Sonic's love of freedom. For this, lets take an 18 year old loner who's been having family issues at home, finds out their friends aren't really their friends, and has made a mess with an intimate relationship because of all of their problems. Instead of trying to make things right, they are under a lot if emotional duress they decide to just get away from it all and join the military. But they want more freedom than a regular military allows for and joins the paramilitary peacekeeping corps. the Guardian Unit of Nations (G.U.N). There desire to get away and experience a sense of freedom ends up with them joining an artifact seek and collection team whose sole purpose is to find and collect artifacts that could endanger the world. They naturally have trust issues with their squad at first and that is their status quo going forward as we use a contrivance for the sake of the plot and send them on their first major mission to where Sonic just so happens to went to explore. Now that we have our audience surrogate who is young enough to be in over their head while also being relatable to a younger audience, and in a position that many adults can also understand, we need to bring in the Eggman. With Eggman I'm kind of partial to his Japanese name being both the name he is known as but also an alias to his western name of Robotnik. I also am a fan of Eggman having a disdain for G.U.N for the death of his grandfather and pretty much crippling the world's technological progress. That setup results in me having him starting the movie as a G.U.N scientist who specializes in the artifact division and after years of work proving the worth of his robots and ability to descipher the powers and abilities of ancient artifacts he has been allowed to take a team and go pursue one particularly dangerous one. Contrivances again, but this is a story so we need a few of them, puts him in charge of the audience surrogate's squad for going to the same place as Sonic. Moving the plot along and wrapping up this long meandering tirade, at the home of these ruins we join Sonic having a blast exploring the ruins that house the plot McGuffin and eventually finding said artifact. Sonic has no use for it and thinks it's cool just to have found but otherwise leaves it alone to go find other traps to test his speed against. meanwhile, as Eggman and the audience surrogate get to the ruins and discovers that the traps have already been tripped and are harmless Eggman betrays G.U.N revealing his plan for revenge against G.U.N by way of world conquest using the artifact for what they did to his grandfather and the world and sets his robots on the audience surrogate's team. They end up driven into the jungle where the audience surrogate's own attitude problems results in him being abandoned by his team. They figure they're doomed until they encounters Sonic. Pleading with Sonic to save him or at least deal with Eggman they end up just annoying Sonic who doesn't take what they are saying seriously and figures that the ruin's traps will defend the artifact and that the audience surrogate's team won't truly abandon them. Sonic decides to help out though when his own sense of justice gets set off by Eggman razing the forest and destroying the ruin to make sure that the G.U.N soldiers are properly dealt with. Sonic challenges Eggman alone at first, but knowing nothing about him the element of surprise does him only so much good before he gets bested by Eggman's robots. Believing Sonic bested, Eggman leaves on his own personal aircraft and Sonic is rescued by the audience surrogate who still needs help getting out of eth burning jungle and back to safety. Sonic figures that he will need help at least learning about Eggman so he can do better in his next encounter and pay the doc back for what he did to the jungle. The audience surrogate figures their squad would know more than them and they and Sonic track down and rescue the squad before departing the jungle to face down Eggman in the movie's climax. You could then wrap things up from by showing the audience surrogate going home and resolving things with their family and friends due to what they learnt from their encounter with Sonic while also cherishing their G.U.N family. Sonic meanwhile has saved eth world from Eggman and is enjoying the fame and recognition before heading off in search off his next adventure hoping it will be as exciting and great a learning experience as this one was. Lastly, Eggman having ousted his own identity and been thwarted plans revenge against Sonic as part of his world conquest schemes and vows to return again. Finally the credits roll and you can use them to show highlights of possible future encounters ending with a post credit scene of Sonic finding out about the troubles on South Island with a message inviting you to track down the original game. Anyway, that was a really long wall of text that was probably fairly superfluous for the most part, but I hope at the very least it helps you see that at least some of us have really, really, thought about why this doesn't work and what could work for us without disregarding what works for Hollywood. Indiana Jones has far more parallels to what Sonic is for a Hollywood movie and should have been the blueprint if veering away from the games rather than a buddy cop road trip where Sonic's presence actually hinders development through the characters' own desires and pursuing them.
  7. Admittedly contrivances can be used to make the narrative better if you are looking to be engrossed as much as possible. When you play everything logically you tend to leave a lot of possibilities on the floor just because it doesn't make logical sense. I'm all for logic when it benefits the narrative, but in the same vein I'm also all for contrivances when they benefit the story as well, as long as they are presented well or in an entertaining way that allows me to ignore the bad parts of the contrivance. Right now though I would say that my favorite issues so far are still Issue 2 and Issue 17. They just resonated with me and left me excited for more. Hopefully 18 won't be another 3 for me where I follow up an issue I enjoyed with an issue I just don't care for.
  8. Morning SSMB.

    The weekend is nearly here but first one last update for my story blog this week up at 8am PST. Other than that, I really need this weekend to recover. Ended up leaving work last night only an hour into my shift because I was so angry that I just couldn't work safe or without an extreme desire to destroy everything in reach. I knew I was irritable going to work but I can't think of ever being that angry before and there was nothing that should have set me off that much. Regardless I really was too angry to work safely and it honestly frightens me. Good thing I have some vacation time coming up in about two weeks because I obviously need it.

    1. tailsBOOM!

      tailsBOOM!

      Morning,  I'm sorry to hear about last night, and hope today goes better

  9. Morning SSMB.

    Keeping it simple as normal so here's the link to my story blog which updates at 8am PST today as normal. Enjoy!

  10. Morning SSMB.

    New day and new update for my story blog. To those who check it out I hope you enjoy.

    On the matter of E3, though I still need to sit down and watch the press conferences, there just isn't anything motivating me to go back and do so. I don't know if I'm tired, bored, disinterested, cynical, or some combination of the above. Regardless I just can't motivate myself to care. Oh well, hopefully everyone else is having decent luck finding stuff they can look forward to and enjoy.

    1. Bloxxerboy

      Bloxxerboy

      G'mornin'

    2. Failinhearts

      Failinhearts

      Morning!

    3. tailsBOOM!

      tailsBOOM!

      Afternoon

  11. Morning SSMB.

    I'm still churning out updates for my story blog but I'm also trying to get back into studying Japanese again. It's been so long that it amazes me how much I forgot while simultaneously how familiar it all is. Hopefully I got my schedule figured out so I can do both and still have some time to relax and have fun. Too much work makes me a very miserable person 😅 

    1. Failinhearts

      Failinhearts

      Morning!

    2. tailsBOOM!

      tailsBOOM!

      Morning

  12. Morning SSMB.

    Hope everyone had a good weekend. Mine ended up alright as I was able to get a replacement cord for my laptop and everything is working fine again. That is a big relief. In other news the next update for my story blog goes live at 8am PST. Check it out if you'd like and enjoy!

    1. tailsBOOM!

      tailsBOOM!

      Morning!  Glad everything worked out!

    2. Failinhearts

      Failinhearts

      Morning!

  13. In a bad mood this morning. Either the power cord on my laptop is goin bad or the port for it. I can't tell unfortunately as I have to rotate the head in the socket to get it to connect. trying to find support online but that is proving abysmally difficult. For anyone who might know it's an HP Envy x360 Convertible 15m-bp1xx.

    Meanwhile, today's update for my story blog is live so please check it out.

    1. Failinhearts

      Failinhearts

      Morning. Hope you figure things out.

    2. tailsBOOM!

      tailsBOOM!

      Hope everything works out

  14. Morning SSMB.

    Just a quick in and out this morning to say hi and to share that the next update for my story blog is live.

    1. tailsBOOM!

      tailsBOOM!

      Morning

    2. Failinhearts

      Failinhearts

      Morning!

  15. Morning SSMB.

    Another short pop in but today's update for my story blog will be up in just a few minutes @ 8am PST. Please enjoy and I'll catch you later SSMB.

    1. tailsBOOM!

      tailsBOOM!

      Morning!

    2. Failinhearts

      Failinhearts

      Morning!

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