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  1. Ah, okay, it was probably just me then. I wasn't purposefully trying to nitpick or just find another small inconsequential thing to rag Penders about, so I hope I didn't come off that way. Was just reading these data files and noticed he still used a similar format. Sorry for derailing the conversation about something so minuscule, haha. (On a tangent, the backstory Penders gave Amy was interesting. Not terrible to me or anything like that, but interesting. Sorry, that's pretty much my cop-out word when describing something, haha.)
  2. Hey guys, poking out of my months-long lurking to post something minor and non-important, but I thought it was kind of interesting. I was reading through someone's sort of review through the Penders Era issues and sort of delving a bit into the convoluted and poorly written lore Penders had made, and there was some images of the comic's data files that went into the backgrounds and info of the characters. I noticed that Penders used nearly the same exact format for his data files on the Lara-Su Chronicles characters. Sega Data Files: And then the Penders data file: I don't think it's a big deal or anything like that, but just sort of interesting. I think it's kind of amusing that he used a format so close to the one in the comic. He couldn't...change it up a bit or think of something else? It had to be this similar? To me, it shows how many strings Penders still has attached to the Archie comics despite his insistence that they're completely different and he's moved on. But like I said, just something super minor that I thought might be interesting to share. I don't know if anyone's brought this up so if it's already been noticed, my apologies.
  3. Thank you for your reply, @horridus. They're always very detailed and well-written and I enjoy reading them. Much appreciated! Going off on the "stuck in the glory days" part, I definitely feel Penders put Sonic on this weird pedestal. As much as I still love Sonic, I wonder if Penders realizes that the series doesn't have the status it used to have back in the 90's. The sad truth is that Sonic isn't as popular anymore, and as a consequence he doesn't rake in as much profit. That kind of makes it all the more tragic when Penders clings so relentlessly to him. The comics (and arguably Sonic as a whole) is pretty much an end of an era. He's no longer the powerhouse he used to be, and the fact that Penders is clutching onto something that has long since passed on and moved on really tells of his current "achievements" and things like that. It's like that one guy you know who constantly reminsices and worships his high school days despite being out of high school for along time, because that's where he peaked. I don't know how much of the love drama was Bollers or how much of it was Penders, but good God am I glad that it's all over with and done. Those were some of the worst issues with the comics. I don't mind a tiny bit of romance drama (even if I prefer that there'd be none at all), but man did it go way overboard. I remember being a kid and reading the infamous issue where Sally slaps Sonic after he comes back from space. And I admit, I do like some of the concepts that Penders introduced...he was just awful at executing them. That's something that's always too bad when it happens. You can have an amazing concept, but if you suck at actually making it work than well, tough luck I guess. When I was younger, I loved the idea of Knuckles belonging to this long lineage that's basically royalty, and seeing all the potential things his ancestors have done that led up to Knuckles's current situation. Seeing how Flynn writes them out, you can see these concepts do have potential and can be interesting. It took an entirely different writer though, haha. Reading more information about the Penders and Bollers feud...yikes. Really, yikes. I may not have liked Bollers writing too much more than Penders, but I still prefer him over the Knuckles stories that Penders was cranking out. It especially helps that Bollers seems to have moved on from his Sonic days and went on to do other things while Penders is still clinging on to those glory days. I'm going to be honest though and say that I can't help but feel this is partially the editor's fault as well. At the very least, he should be able to sort of strike some sort of balance. Or at the very, absolute least, he should make sure things are consistent. That should be the bare minimum. Instead of letting things wildly contradict each other, though I know that's also because Penders was adamant that the 25YL stories were the absolute real future of the characters. Slight tangent, but that's why I think the 25YL segment shouldn't have gone as long as it did. I can't help but feel that it's too tiring to constantly double check to make sure things line. Eventually, something's going to get messed up, especially on a ship that's as sloppily run as the Archie comics. The Knuckles movie is one of my favorite things about this whole mess. Like, part of me secretly wishes that Penders won the lottery just so we could see this trainwreck come to life. There's so many things wrong with this. The fact that he thinks he can have complete creative control over a mascot that he doesn't own a single part of. The fact that he thinks a Knuckles movie would generate enough of a profit for SEGA to be on board. This is one of those projects that I really wish got concept art and other things like his other Sonic movie pitch. I would just love to see his vision for a Knuckles movie.
  4. Yeah, I think this is just a case of us interpreting parts of the character differently and wanting different things from him. I'm afraid we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. I'm sorry if that sounds like a really cheap and cop-out answer, I promise I'm not throwing away any of what you said. It's just my entire counter-argument is pretty much just me saying "This what I personally feel and would like", and it's all subjective. And I don't think it's something that you can really argue with, you know what I mean? All of the events from the games you listed I see them in a different light, but that's probably because I have my own sort of personal definitions and measurements of some character traits, like "edgy" and "angst." So, yeah. I'm afraid this is one we're going to have to agree to disagree on, haha. But I like that, there's different parts of Shadow that appeal to us and that we like! In the end, we can both agree that he's one cool dude. I'm sorry, I swear I didn't mean to completely gloss over your post. Please forgive me! There's just something I love about the idea of Shadow being really meticulous about his appearance. I can totally see him spending an hour in front of the mirror every morning and patting back his quills and brushing his chest fur, hahaha. I'm very sorry, I'm not really sure what you're say or mean here? I got like 3 hours of sleep last night, so my mind is probably just a little fuzzy, haha.
  5. Aw, thank you guys so much. It makes me happy to see others who love Omega too, haha. Along with what you guys have said, I think he's a fun character. A walking arsenal who's really full of himself and will shoot anything down, while also having a sense of humor. I also think the friendship he has with Shadow and Rouge is kind of sweet, and shows this other side to this team full of anti-heroes. He's just a really fun and engaging character to me, and I really like him and the Team Dark interactions. I do agree with the idea that made Rouge and Omega and tied too much to Team Dark at the cost of them having meaningful interactions outside the team, but I think that's something you can definitely fix by simply showing it. Omega can definitely have his own agenda outside of Team Dark. Sometimes a lot of the reason why I like something just boils down to, "He's just a funny walking robot who blows things up. I like that." However, I do kind of agree with this. If there's one group of characters that I feel have the most trouble with meshing with the cast and series, definitely the Babylon Rogues. I agree with everything you've said about them and I probably couldn't say it better, haha. I think they're probably "trapped" by the fact that they were written with specific and limiting circumstances in mind (the Riders series). I'm definitely indifferent to them as well. I think this is a really sweet sentiment! It's one I always try to keep in mind. Even if you don't like something, someone else may really appreciate it, and I think that's swell. For the characters that I dislike in the series, I understand that others like them for the reasons I don't and that those characters appeal to them. Everybody loves somebody sometimes!
  6. Ah, really? I always get which stories were written by Penders and which were written by Bollers mixed up...I guess Penders was mostly doing the secondary stories and the Echidna ones while Bollers did the main ones (until he left)? Speaking of Bollers, I know there were some old archived forum posts that sort of detailed the internal feud he had with Penders. Does anyone still have access to those?
  7. I've never watched Dragon Ball, so I can't comment about the Vegeta comparison. I was also joking with the whispering comment. Probably should have made that more obvious. Oops. I don't know, I just think when Shadow's written to be really super serious like that, he's just...kind of dull to me. I like Shadow when he's a cocky and smug jackass. It gives him more personality and it makes him more entertaining to me. I like when characters have personality and flair. And I know he hasn't talked about his purpose and past for a while. I'm happy about that fact and that it's something he's finally seemed to move on from. I'm pretty sure I said that in my post. I also haven't really read the IDW comics aside from a few previews, so I can't comment on that comparison either. That's why I kind of like Shadow in Forces. His line of "Should've hired a Defense Squad for the Defense Squad, eh Doctor?" got a laugh out of me, and I absolutely love how when Infinite shows up, he goes completely ham on him and beats the ever-living shit out of him and then calls him pathetic right to his (probably cracked and bleeding) face, and then warps off like he couldn't care less. I love that. I'd take that over boring serious rival Shadow or uber edgelord angst Shadow from the early 2000's. To me, the whole idea of the parallel between Sonic and Shadow is that they have the same core traits: they're both willful, determined, and egocentric. But they manifest in different ways between the two. In Sonic, he's a bit more light-hearted and benevolent when it comes to these traits. In Shadow, they're more negative and destructive. That's what makes their rivalry interesting to me. Part of the reason Shadow appealed to me in the first place and why he still does is that he's so...over the top. He's a secret military experiment who's immortal and can warp time and space. Granted, I may not entirely like that backstory, but it was so crazy to me as a kid that I loved it. He just does whatever he wants and doesn't give two shits about what anyone else thinks. I think that's great, and something they should roll with a bit more. Also, Shadow's "I'm the coolest!" from SA2 still makes me go into hysterics every time I hear it. I think in the end, it just boils down to a difference in personal preference. We both want different things out of Shadow and he appeals to us in different ways. But hey, that's not a bad thing, yeah? I'd say that's a good thing!
  8. Maybe I wouldn't have worded it so harshly, but I guess that's the gist of what I'm trying to say, haha. I just think there are very, very few "active" characters in the series that really deserve to be completely removed without at least an attempt to try and implement them better. Like, no one is incapable of being "fixed" (heck, I would even make an argument that a retooled Elise could be a good addition to the cast). And I know, I know...this whole argument basically boils down to "make character good, NOT BAD" and it's a really simple argument that's very vague in execution. It's just that I think all the characters have something going for them that makes them unique and interesting. It's just how they're put into the stories and how they're being used. I...actually love Omega. Like, he's one of my favorite characters...I love Team Dark. They're my favorite Team. I love them. Would take them all out to dinner if I could. I'd pay. (But again, almost all my opinions on the characters are subjective and all over the place. I should probably be quiet, ahaha.)
  9. Yeah, I mean it's definitely not a perfect headcanon, but it's one that's kind of stayed with me as a kid. Shadow fluffing his spines was this detail that struck out to me, and his fluffy chest fur always looked like something that he would like, comb or something to me, ahaha. Shadow was my absolute favorite character as a kid, and I was obsessed with him. I admit I still really like him today, even if there are parts about him I don't like and think are pretty flawed. Eh, I guess I just like the idea of Shadow being really haughty and sort of narcissistic. I think it'd be a nice kind of parallel to Sonic's own ego and cockiness. And if Shadow's going to constantly remind everyone how he's the ultimate lifeform, might as well roll with it. Like, he knows he's the ultimate lifeform. He knows he's supposed to be the epitome of perfection (well not really, but you know, haha), and he'll make sure you know as well. As for Shadow in Sonic Boom...eh, he was almost 100% fan service and integrated poorly in my opinion, but I don't mind too much since it was all tongue-in-cheek and was just meant to be, well, fan service. One of the main reasons why I loved (and still love, to be honest) Shadow to this day is that he can be so over the top. I want them to stretch that out a bit. Not too much, but just a little. Like, Shadow going around blowing stuff just because he can. I'd prefer that to Shadow constantly whispering and being sad about his past and his purpose in life and all that. The whole angst-ridden Shadow thing wasn't really something I was a fan of. I'm personally glad that they seemed to be moving away from that with Forces. I'm not saying make Shadow in some wise-cracking jokester like Sonic; still make him have a serious nature but with a bit of flair to it so he's not just a generic sad and grumpy character. It reminds me a bit of Eggman in '06. They took away almost all of his cartoonish flair and style and just made him a generic bad guy villain without any of his bombastic personality, and as a consequence he's just...boring and bland. But I should probably reiterate that this is all my subjective opinion and probably won't be agreeable with a whole lot of people, haha. Also, I'm afraid I don't know who that dapper man in your posted gif is.
  10. Definitely agree with you. Something I like to discuss is how a certain piece of media, whether it be movies or books or video games or whatever, can be heavily influenced by the time period it came out. Sonic is definitely a good example of how he embodies a lot of themes and attitudes of the 90's and how that contributed to his popularity. I've always wanted to make a thread about it...but that's another story for another day, haha. I think someone in the thread about 50 pages ago or something about how Penders seems to have a mindset about Sonic and the comic industry in general that is stuck in the 90's. What are your thoughts about that, horridus? Hah, I've always suspected that since revisiting the comics as an adult, but it's nice to see that it's true. I've always had that weird inkling of Penders shoving all this crap into the comic because he desperately wanted to tell some kind of epic original story. It's especially telling when you read his list of "inspirations." Now, again, I'm not saying that kids are totally incapable of enjoying or understanding mature and deeper themes. However, a talented writer (which Penders is not) is able to weave it into a story that is still accessible to someone who is younger. I can say right now that as a kid, half of what was happening in the comic utterly confused me. I didn't care of course, since it was Sonic and Sonic could do whatever as long as it was Sonic. I think it's a good example, though, of how out-of-touch Penders can be with his material and his audience. I mean, would you hand Dune or Game of Thrones to a 8-10 year old kid and expect them to completely understand and enjoy all the parts of the story? Penders comes off as the kind of person to me who wants to be remembered for making some sort of epic, deep, and heroic story. Unfortunately, the only thing that he's been on board with for an extended period of time and has seen any kind of success with is the Sonic comic, so I guess that became his sort of outlet for all of his pent-up ideas. Or maybe Penders is that kind of guy who thinks a story can't have any merit unless it has a huge amount of backstory baggage or something like that. When I read the Knuckles comic or some of the crazy stories of Sonic fighting aliens in an intergalatic war, it really makes me wonder just what Penders was trying to achieve. It's too bad, because while I don't agree with how he did it, I do like how Penders tried to take the Sonic comic in a more grounded and serious direction. I do like some of the concepts that he's come up with. I just think he's horrible at the execution. This makes no sense...wasn't Penders a "secondary" writer that came onto the book? Like, he wasn't one of the original writers? So...he's being a hypocrite. Nice. I was thinking about the incident where another writer (Scott Fulop, I think? Or Scott Shaw? Something like that) was also suing Archie for copyright over his characters, or when Penders was making those tweets about supporting (and I think showing up at it too?) the lawsuit of another person who worked under Archie (maybe one of the two that I mentioned before). That seems like someone who's pretty supportive of his fellow employees working for a comic company...but then he turns around and belittles their contributions or downplays them to make himself seem better. I can't wrap my head around it. I know that Archie's not exactly the best company, which is probably putting it very mildly, but you know...still. I feel kind of sorry for Flynn. Imagine being hired to write for a comic you've been passionate about and written your own fan material on...and having its previous writer, your predecessor, just demean you. I know Flynn's not the only one that this has happened to, but I'm sure part of it kind of bites. Ah, I thought I read something like that, maybe from Dawn Best herself. Which is too bad, Best is a great artist. I've seen some of her Sonic work that wasn't messed up by Penders, and it's pretty nice. She's drawn some of her own interpretations of Lien-Da and Lara-Su (which I can't find, ergh) and they look so nice. If Dawn Best was hired by Penders to draw for his comic books / graphic novels / whatever the hell they're supposed to be, I think they would look so much nicer. At least it'd look nice, even if everything else was a train wreck. There was also that statement she made about how Penders apparently told her that he was aware his art was only just "test art" or something and that he knew it would have to improve for the final product. I guess Penders...changed his mind? I don't know. I bet nobody knows. It's kind of sad, because I think Penders's work, particularly his pencils and his inks, are much better when he's working with others. I found a site that has a few examples of some pencils Penders did for some other comics, and I really do think they look nice. No doubt in part due to the efforts of the inkers and letters, but they still look pretty nice. It makes it all the more ironic that Penders seems to not be much of a team player. Here's a site with some non-Sonic examples, and here's one of what I'm talking about: (Also, I'm sorry if there's a lot of me saying "this thing happened, but I can't find the source" in this post. I swear I just suck at finding the original post. If I'm wrong on anything, please correct me about it.)
  11. This is a tiny little tidbit that probably matters to no one but me, but as a kid I always loved how Shadow sort of "fluffs" his spines in his idle animation in Heroes and ShtH. I always liked the idea of Shadow of being vain and haughty and always grooming himself. I like the idea of Shadow being kind of over the top. I don't know, I think he's taken too seriously sometimes and it makes him a bit boring to me.
  12. So, I try to stay out of character discussions since my opinions on a lot of the characters are almost purely subjective, and I feel that I wouldn't be able to really contribute anything substantial to the conversation. I do want to kind of chime in here and put in my two cents. I don't really want anyone to get "axed", just sort of written better. I know this is a really cop-out answer, I just don't know how to describe it. Most of the characters have an aspect I like and I'd rather they improve and feel more substantial as a character and to the narrative instead of getting rid of them completely. Even the characters that I don't like, I can see them being rewritten or retooled so that they are more appealing (maybe not necessarily to me but to others). I don't know...maybe someone else knows what I'm trying to say and can say it better than me? I'm awful at picking the right words to describe what I'm feeling. But my opinions on which characters I like and which I don't are kind of all over the place so maybe I shouldn't say anything, haha.
  13. I don't really feel any despair towards Sonic. Probably because I didn't think Forces was bad, just meh. It's not like Sonic is in a place where he's utterly irredeemable or barely active. I definitely still think there's a chance for the series to improve in the near-future and put out a great game instead of one that's just so-so. I can understand why people are burnt out, though. People are passionate about things they care a lot about, and a lot of us here care about the franchise a lot. I can't speak for anyone, but for myself, Sonic was a big part of my childhood and the games of his that I still like still give me happiness to this day. To see something that was once so great and popular is probably really disheartening to a lot. I think it's good to see how a lot of fans are still very passionate about the series in a way. I also think the movie, which I have massive reservations about, still might have a small chance of just being some weird thing that happens and then is sort of viewed more as a curious misstep instead of being a giant disaster that drives an axe into Sonic's head. Kind of like Mario's infamous movie. I still generally positive about the series and I still have hope and love for it, but I can absolutely understand why a lot of fans are pessimistic.
  14. Ahaha, this is such a perfect illustration. It's very illuminating to read about the industry at this time when Penders was active though, it really adds a lot of insight into the mindset he had behind The Lost Ones. I'm no super knowledgeable about this time, and what I know is just things I've read online and picked up from comics and artists from that time. The information about Image Comics was especially interesting, I didn't know any of that. Thank you! You know what this kind of made me think of? I was doing a bit of digging around the Republic...of which there is almost no information of that isn't from Penders himself (which again, I think just goes to show just how unknown it is among the public). The Republic really has a lot of the same flaws as The Lost Ones...namely in that it's such a generic concept that doesn't really have anything to it that makes it stand out or appeal to potential viewers. Cliché concepts are inherently bad, but I still feel there's something that needs to be done to make it appealing somehow, whether it be in the characters of unique execution or anything like that. Almost everything in The Republic has been done the same way but much better. It reminds me a lot of how after The Hunger Games became a huge success, it was like dystopian YA novels starting flooding the market to capitalize. Penders does the same thing...but he does it years later and is unable to attract any kind of audience. Ahaha, that's totally true. I know when I was a kid, I was extremely forgiving of the comic and all of its flaws. I didn't care if I didn't understand something or if something seemed weird. I was happy to see Sonic and all my favorite characters running around doing whatever. It wasn't until I became much older that I starting seeing the issues. Penders should thank his lucky stars that he had a built-in audience who was extremely forgiving. Looking at all the circumstances--Sonic being extremely popular, the comics being the only material, a lot of the audience being young kids who were very forgiving, an editor who was so hands-off that he might has well not have been there at all--I can't believe how easy he had it on the job. It really was just a barrage of different things that led the comic to go as out of control as it did. It's really too bad. Like you said, this job really conditioned him and his expectations for the rest of his professional life. You know, it reminds me of a panel that was once on the "A Moment of Archie Sonic" Tumblr. It was a scene from the Knuckles book with Enerjak, and I distinctly remember Enerjak saying some sort of word that was like, college level. Penders had to add a little editor's box showing what the word meant. It's such a small thing in the grand scheme of things but it really stuck out to me. Did Penders know his audience? Did he know he was writing a kid's comic about a video game character (not to say kids aren't capable of understanding complex themes and stories, but you know)? What was he trying to accomplish with all this crazy backstory and exposition that cluttered up the comic and made it into such a dramatic mess? I've always secretly suspected that the Sonic/Knuckles comics were some sort of weird outlet for a bunch of grand story ideas that he really wanted to tell and explore, but he knew he would never be able to get it out to a widespread audience. So, he did it through the one way he knew would reach of lot of people. I don't know, some crazy conspiracy theory from me, haha. Ugh. That's one of my major pet peeves. I mean, I think it's great to try and make a diverse comic. But I honestly think it's one of those situations where he just wants to win brownie points and that's it. He just wants to earn sympathy and praise from people. He's not doing it because he, you know, actually cares about representing ethnic minorities or anything like that. I can't find the tweets and/or the posts, but I can distinctly remember Penders making a huge deal about having an Asian woman being the major lead in his comic and how she was going to be the star in his movie, but then he shows signs of falling back into the typical mystical oriental stereotype that befalls so many Asian characters like this. It feels like he's just superficially waving his comic yelling, "Look at me! I'm being soooo diverse and I deserve praise! Praise me!" As an Asian woman myself, it's goddamn tiring to see. "Vague and mysterious" language? Urk. Really, Penders? It's not good to slap women and characters of different races if you're not going to write them as an actual character instead of a walking stereotype. It's not being inclusive. It's poor writing and frankly, it's a little insulting to me. Like, you expect me to accept this as a good example of diverse writing in a comic? It's too bad, because I see Penders is trying. But as usual, if he actually listened to criticism instead of brushing it all off, he could improve and I would be happy and even a little proud of him. But Penders gotta Pend. This is really puzzling, especially when you consider that so many mainstream comics are one collaborative effort. I mean, not all of them, but surely Penders can see that the comics he was working on were the result of many ideas and many people coming together to make something...together. It's infuriating to see him push down the efforts of all his fellow comic employees. I thought he was all for comic creators or something like that? You'd think he would be singing their praises while condemning the big comic book companies or something like that. It especially makes no sense when he was supporting other comic writers and artists getting copyrights and royalties from Archie (or something like that? I can't find the reference posts anymore so many someone can correct me or job my memories). Penders should be grateful he was a part of something so big instead of trying to hot it and make it all about himself. I remember tweets of his greatly overstating the importance of the comics, like saying the games don't have enough material or heart for a movie or things similar to that? Look, I love the comics, but at the end of the day...Sonic is mainly a video game series. That's his main claim to fame and where he gets the largest audience and profit. The comics are a great supplement, but that's about it. Yeah, it might kind of bite at first, but Penders was still a part of something that had an effect on the game industry and comic industry and make its mark, especially with it holding the record for the longest running comic series about a video game character. I really wish Penders would be a bit more humble and thankful for the part he played (even if it wasn't necessarily good), instead of turning everything around and making it about himself. It's really awful too, considering how teamwork and team efforts are a huge part of most comic books. Everyone works to contribute something to make the whole product good (well, that's the intent but it doesn't always go that way...). Penders shitting on everyone on the team just shows how little he cares about collaborative efforts. It's probably sort of a good thing that Penders is working on The Lara-Su Chronicles alone. Imagine working with someone only to have them turn around and belittle your hard work and demean you, despite all the work you both put in to make something. Also, regarding Dawn Best, I swear there was this one post by her where she said that she only did the base pencils while Penders sort of went over and "fixed" (used loosely) everything? Like, she would basically do the groundwork and then he'd go in and modify it? I don't want to say too much about this since I might be wrong.
  15. Thank you two for your responses. I always suspected that there was some sort of burn-out or something like that back when Sonic Team was more of a thing, but I never really went deeper into researching it. I remember reading some bits and pieces from Sonic '06's development being rushed as hell, which eventually led to Yuji Naka leaving in the middle of it all. That's really the only thing that I know for sure. I don't know of any other tidbits from development of any other Sonic games. If anyone knows any good articles about this topic, please point me to them! Maybe the Team was just burned out and wanted to move on, but couldn't since Sonic is such a big Sega IP? And eventually they all just quit instead of sticking around? Or maybe it was due to monetary reasons? I honestly don't really know how the shift from Sonic Team to rotating Sega employees happened or why. I don't have any other reference to any other video game development teams (with the exception of the Miyamoto and Koizuma thing that I just learned) so I wouldn't really know. Maybe another Sonic Team will be implemented in the future at one point. I'm just wildly speculating at this point. I appreciate the information!
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