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    TideKai reacted to Ryannumber1gamer in What if IDW made characters based on the following Archie characters?   
    I said it once, I'll say it again - it's a half-measure that will please literally no one. The Archie fans are gonna be displeased with just knockoffs of the characters they once enjoyed (I sure as hell wouldn't want a Mina or Fini expy), and the IDW fans who don't want any Archie elements aren't gonna be happy with having blatant knockoffs thrown in for the hell of it to take focus off either A. SEGA characters, or B. IDW original characters that could've been created in their place.
    The thing that people also tend to miss here is that a expy of a character never works because making a character that people enjoy is a lot deeper than just fulfilling a core role. Mina isn't liked because she was just a rock artist providing motivation for the freedom fighters, people liked her because she had her own arcs that tied into the main cast, and made her sympathetic. In an era where so much soap opera trash was being thrown to the book, she's one of the very few characters that had a good arc that only continued later down the line. If you strip her character development, personality traits, and whatever else, and just throw them to a generic character who's meant to fulfil a role, it means nothing.
    Enerjak is another bad example - I personally don't care about him one ounce as a villain because he ties so heavily into a awful canon designed by Penders. However, the one instance of him I'd argue is actually very well done is Knuckles!Enerjak, and the reason for that is that we know who Knuckles is as a character, and we already connect with him on an emotional level. When he's brainwashed and turned evil, we're concerned for him, not the powers he's been granted. He genuinely believes he's helping others, and when his friends try to stop him, he believes they just don't understand the good he's doing for them, and fights them back, in a desperate attempt to force them to see reason. It's not interesting because it's Enerjak, it's interesting because it's Knuckles who's being corrupted by Enerjak's power.
    In which case, there's no reason to make an expy of Enerjak when you could very easily just make your own take on it, and make it more interesting instead of trying to make a half-measure based on something tied to a universally despised canon.
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    TideKai got a reaction from BlueSky in The Lara-Su Chronicles and Ken Penders topic - READ PAGE 164, POST 4096   
    Ah, okay, it was probably just me then. I wasn't purposefully trying to nitpick or just find another small inconsequential thing to rag Penders about, so I hope I didn't come off that way. Was just reading these data files and noticed he still used a similar format. Sorry for derailing the conversation about something so minuscule, haha.
    (On a tangent, the backstory Penders gave Amy was interesting. Not terrible to me or anything like that, but interesting. Sorry, that's pretty much my cop-out word when describing something, haha.)
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    TideKai got a reaction from Supah Berry in What are some missed opportunities in the Sonic franchise?   
    I don't know if this is really a missed opportunity or just an idea that came to me, but I think it would've been kind of cool to see maybe some old places in Forces but modified with Eggman's takeover. Like, imagine a stage with Sonic visiting Soleanna but in ruins and all about Eggman, with all of his giant robots wrecking havoc in the background. Imagine statues and portraits of Elise haphazardly changed to look like Eggman, maybe with a slapped on mustache and some dollar store paint. Imagine fighting Eggman or one of his minions while they call him "His Highness" or something like that. Imagine Sonic man forced to change into Eggman man. 
    Okay, maybe that last one was a joke, but I do think it would be cool to have revisited old places to see how Eggman changed them. Not every stage being a revisit, but just some of them as a cool throwback and to actually see how the world was after the takeover. That's something that I definitely feel is a missed opportunity. Eggman finally took over the world! Let's...barely show him it at all in a game where that was one of the main draws. Also, It could be other places than Soleanna. Maybe Station Square and the different countries in Unleashed on top of new stages to supplement them. And who knows, maybe after you liberate the areas, you could see old characters joining the fight and contributing to the army in some way. The whole "Join the Resistance" part of Forces would have been perfect for this.
    Tying into that last part, I think Forces would have been cool as a bit similar to...Mass Effect 3. Okay, I know that sounds really stupid, but it's the closest thing I can think of to what I'm trying to describe. Imagine if the game was structured like this: After Eggman's takeover, Avatar is in a very small band of rebels in this one area (with maybe Tails being the leader)? After Avatar and Tails liberate the area and with the Avatar showing great power, they go to rescue Sonic. Then the game could have been Sonic and Avatar liberating one area at a time, freeing them from Eggman's controls. Along with that, they would also free a captured character who would either fight in the army or offer resources. There could also be other optional areas (maybe DLC areas or just optional and separate from the main story?) that, while not necessary, could maybe help in the final boss fight by making it a bit easier. After all the main story areas have been freed and the resistance has enough power, it could lead into the final battle with Eggman's army to finally free the world from his control.
    I know there's glaring issues with this (the whole "two worlds" thing and the issue of canon), but I don't know...it sounds cool to me. I'm sick right now and on medication so maybe I'm just experiencing some kind of delusional high. What do you guys think?
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    TideKai got a reaction from Âmesang in The Lara-Su Chronicles and Ken Penders topic - READ PAGE 164, POST 4096   
    Thank you for your reply, @horridus. They're always very detailed and well-written and I enjoy reading them. Much appreciated!
    Going off on the "stuck in the glory days" part, I definitely feel Penders put Sonic on this weird pedestal. As much as I still love Sonic, I wonder if Penders realizes that the series doesn't have the status it used to have back in the 90's. The sad truth is that Sonic isn't as popular anymore, and as a consequence he doesn't rake in as much profit. That kind of makes it all the more tragic when Penders clings so relentlessly to him. The comics (and arguably Sonic as a whole) is pretty much an end of an era. He's no longer the powerhouse he used to be, and the fact that Penders is clutching onto something that has long since passed on and moved on really tells of his current "achievements" and things like that. It's like that one guy you know who constantly reminsices and worships his high school days despite being out of high school for along time, because that's where he peaked.
    I don't know how much of the love drama was Bollers or how much of it was Penders, but good God am I glad that it's all over with and done. Those were some of the worst issues with the comics. I don't mind a tiny bit of romance drama (even if I prefer that there'd be none at all), but man did it go way overboard. I remember being a kid and reading the infamous issue where Sally slaps Sonic after he comes back from space. 
    And I admit, I do like some of the concepts that Penders introduced...he was just awful at executing them. That's something that's always too bad when it happens. You can have an amazing concept, but if you suck at actually making it work than well, tough luck I guess. When I was younger, I loved the idea of Knuckles belonging to this long lineage that's basically royalty, and seeing all the potential things his ancestors have done that led up to Knuckles's current situation. Seeing how Flynn writes them out, you can see these concepts do have potential and can be interesting. It took an entirely different writer though, haha.
    Reading more information about the Penders and Bollers feud...yikes. Really, yikes. I may not have liked Bollers writing too much more than Penders, but I still prefer him over the Knuckles stories that Penders was cranking out. It especially helps that Bollers seems to have moved on from his Sonic days and went on to do other things while Penders is still clinging on to those glory days. I'm going to be honest though and say that I can't help but feel this is partially the editor's fault as well. At the very least, he should be able to sort of strike some sort of balance. Or at the very, absolute least, he should make sure things are consistent. That should be the bare minimum. Instead of letting things wildly contradict each other, though I know that's also because Penders was adamant that the 25YL stories were the absolute real future of the characters. Slight tangent, but that's why I think the 25YL segment shouldn't have gone as long as it did. I can't help but feel that it's too tiring to constantly double check to make sure things line. Eventually, something's going to get messed up, especially on a ship that's as sloppily run as the Archie comics.
    The Knuckles movie is one of my favorite things about this whole mess. Like, part of me secretly wishes that Penders won the lottery just so we could see this trainwreck come to life. There's so many things wrong with this. The fact that he thinks he can have complete creative control over a mascot that he doesn't own a single part of. The fact that he thinks a Knuckles movie would generate enough of a profit for SEGA to be on board. This is one of those projects that I really wish got concept art and other things like his other Sonic movie pitch. I would just love to see his vision for a Knuckles movie.
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    TideKai got a reaction from Tylinos in The Lara-Su Chronicles and Ken Penders topic - READ PAGE 164, POST 4096   
    Thank you for your reply, @horridus. They're always very detailed and well-written and I enjoy reading them. Much appreciated!
    Going off on the "stuck in the glory days" part, I definitely feel Penders put Sonic on this weird pedestal. As much as I still love Sonic, I wonder if Penders realizes that the series doesn't have the status it used to have back in the 90's. The sad truth is that Sonic isn't as popular anymore, and as a consequence he doesn't rake in as much profit. That kind of makes it all the more tragic when Penders clings so relentlessly to him. The comics (and arguably Sonic as a whole) is pretty much an end of an era. He's no longer the powerhouse he used to be, and the fact that Penders is clutching onto something that has long since passed on and moved on really tells of his current "achievements" and things like that. It's like that one guy you know who constantly reminsices and worships his high school days despite being out of high school for along time, because that's where he peaked.
    I don't know how much of the love drama was Bollers or how much of it was Penders, but good God am I glad that it's all over with and done. Those were some of the worst issues with the comics. I don't mind a tiny bit of romance drama (even if I prefer that there'd be none at all), but man did it go way overboard. I remember being a kid and reading the infamous issue where Sally slaps Sonic after he comes back from space. 
    And I admit, I do like some of the concepts that Penders introduced...he was just awful at executing them. That's something that's always too bad when it happens. You can have an amazing concept, but if you suck at actually making it work than well, tough luck I guess. When I was younger, I loved the idea of Knuckles belonging to this long lineage that's basically royalty, and seeing all the potential things his ancestors have done that led up to Knuckles's current situation. Seeing how Flynn writes them out, you can see these concepts do have potential and can be interesting. It took an entirely different writer though, haha.
    Reading more information about the Penders and Bollers feud...yikes. Really, yikes. I may not have liked Bollers writing too much more than Penders, but I still prefer him over the Knuckles stories that Penders was cranking out. It especially helps that Bollers seems to have moved on from his Sonic days and went on to do other things while Penders is still clinging on to those glory days. I'm going to be honest though and say that I can't help but feel this is partially the editor's fault as well. At the very least, he should be able to sort of strike some sort of balance. Or at the very, absolute least, he should make sure things are consistent. That should be the bare minimum. Instead of letting things wildly contradict each other, though I know that's also because Penders was adamant that the 25YL stories were the absolute real future of the characters. Slight tangent, but that's why I think the 25YL segment shouldn't have gone as long as it did. I can't help but feel that it's too tiring to constantly double check to make sure things line. Eventually, something's going to get messed up, especially on a ship that's as sloppily run as the Archie comics.
    The Knuckles movie is one of my favorite things about this whole mess. Like, part of me secretly wishes that Penders won the lottery just so we could see this trainwreck come to life. There's so many things wrong with this. The fact that he thinks he can have complete creative control over a mascot that he doesn't own a single part of. The fact that he thinks a Knuckles movie would generate enough of a profit for SEGA to be on board. This is one of those projects that I really wish got concept art and other things like his other Sonic movie pitch. I would just love to see his vision for a Knuckles movie.
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    TideKai got a reaction from amadeii in The Lara-Su Chronicles and Ken Penders topic - READ PAGE 164, POST 4096   
    Thank you for your reply, @horridus. They're always very detailed and well-written and I enjoy reading them. Much appreciated!
    Going off on the "stuck in the glory days" part, I definitely feel Penders put Sonic on this weird pedestal. As much as I still love Sonic, I wonder if Penders realizes that the series doesn't have the status it used to have back in the 90's. The sad truth is that Sonic isn't as popular anymore, and as a consequence he doesn't rake in as much profit. That kind of makes it all the more tragic when Penders clings so relentlessly to him. The comics (and arguably Sonic as a whole) is pretty much an end of an era. He's no longer the powerhouse he used to be, and the fact that Penders is clutching onto something that has long since passed on and moved on really tells of his current "achievements" and things like that. It's like that one guy you know who constantly reminsices and worships his high school days despite being out of high school for along time, because that's where he peaked.
    I don't know how much of the love drama was Bollers or how much of it was Penders, but good God am I glad that it's all over with and done. Those were some of the worst issues with the comics. I don't mind a tiny bit of romance drama (even if I prefer that there'd be none at all), but man did it go way overboard. I remember being a kid and reading the infamous issue where Sally slaps Sonic after he comes back from space. 
    And I admit, I do like some of the concepts that Penders introduced...he was just awful at executing them. That's something that's always too bad when it happens. You can have an amazing concept, but if you suck at actually making it work than well, tough luck I guess. When I was younger, I loved the idea of Knuckles belonging to this long lineage that's basically royalty, and seeing all the potential things his ancestors have done that led up to Knuckles's current situation. Seeing how Flynn writes them out, you can see these concepts do have potential and can be interesting. It took an entirely different writer though, haha.
    Reading more information about the Penders and Bollers feud...yikes. Really, yikes. I may not have liked Bollers writing too much more than Penders, but I still prefer him over the Knuckles stories that Penders was cranking out. It especially helps that Bollers seems to have moved on from his Sonic days and went on to do other things while Penders is still clinging on to those glory days. I'm going to be honest though and say that I can't help but feel this is partially the editor's fault as well. At the very least, he should be able to sort of strike some sort of balance. Or at the very, absolute least, he should make sure things are consistent. That should be the bare minimum. Instead of letting things wildly contradict each other, though I know that's also because Penders was adamant that the 25YL stories were the absolute real future of the characters. Slight tangent, but that's why I think the 25YL segment shouldn't have gone as long as it did. I can't help but feel that it's too tiring to constantly double check to make sure things line. Eventually, something's going to get messed up, especially on a ship that's as sloppily run as the Archie comics.
    The Knuckles movie is one of my favorite things about this whole mess. Like, part of me secretly wishes that Penders won the lottery just so we could see this trainwreck come to life. There's so many things wrong with this. The fact that he thinks he can have complete creative control over a mascot that he doesn't own a single part of. The fact that he thinks a Knuckles movie would generate enough of a profit for SEGA to be on board. This is one of those projects that I really wish got concept art and other things like his other Sonic movie pitch. I would just love to see his vision for a Knuckles movie.
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    TideKai got a reaction from Legendary Emerald in The Lara-Su Chronicles and Ken Penders topic - READ PAGE 164, POST 4096   
    Thank you for your reply, @horridus. They're always very detailed and well-written and I enjoy reading them. Much appreciated!
    Going off on the "stuck in the glory days" part, I definitely feel Penders put Sonic on this weird pedestal. As much as I still love Sonic, I wonder if Penders realizes that the series doesn't have the status it used to have back in the 90's. The sad truth is that Sonic isn't as popular anymore, and as a consequence he doesn't rake in as much profit. That kind of makes it all the more tragic when Penders clings so relentlessly to him. The comics (and arguably Sonic as a whole) is pretty much an end of an era. He's no longer the powerhouse he used to be, and the fact that Penders is clutching onto something that has long since passed on and moved on really tells of his current "achievements" and things like that. It's like that one guy you know who constantly reminsices and worships his high school days despite being out of high school for along time, because that's where he peaked.
    I don't know how much of the love drama was Bollers or how much of it was Penders, but good God am I glad that it's all over with and done. Those were some of the worst issues with the comics. I don't mind a tiny bit of romance drama (even if I prefer that there'd be none at all), but man did it go way overboard. I remember being a kid and reading the infamous issue where Sally slaps Sonic after he comes back from space. 
    And I admit, I do like some of the concepts that Penders introduced...he was just awful at executing them. That's something that's always too bad when it happens. You can have an amazing concept, but if you suck at actually making it work than well, tough luck I guess. When I was younger, I loved the idea of Knuckles belonging to this long lineage that's basically royalty, and seeing all the potential things his ancestors have done that led up to Knuckles's current situation. Seeing how Flynn writes them out, you can see these concepts do have potential and can be interesting. It took an entirely different writer though, haha.
    Reading more information about the Penders and Bollers feud...yikes. Really, yikes. I may not have liked Bollers writing too much more than Penders, but I still prefer him over the Knuckles stories that Penders was cranking out. It especially helps that Bollers seems to have moved on from his Sonic days and went on to do other things while Penders is still clinging on to those glory days. I'm going to be honest though and say that I can't help but feel this is partially the editor's fault as well. At the very least, he should be able to sort of strike some sort of balance. Or at the very, absolute least, he should make sure things are consistent. That should be the bare minimum. Instead of letting things wildly contradict each other, though I know that's also because Penders was adamant that the 25YL stories were the absolute real future of the characters. Slight tangent, but that's why I think the 25YL segment shouldn't have gone as long as it did. I can't help but feel that it's too tiring to constantly double check to make sure things line. Eventually, something's going to get messed up, especially on a ship that's as sloppily run as the Archie comics.
    The Knuckles movie is one of my favorite things about this whole mess. Like, part of me secretly wishes that Penders won the lottery just so we could see this trainwreck come to life. There's so many things wrong with this. The fact that he thinks he can have complete creative control over a mascot that he doesn't own a single part of. The fact that he thinks a Knuckles movie would generate enough of a profit for SEGA to be on board. This is one of those projects that I really wish got concept art and other things like his other Sonic movie pitch. I would just love to see his vision for a Knuckles movie.
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    TideKai got a reaction from Mr Silvia in The Lara-Su Chronicles and Ken Penders topic - READ PAGE 164, POST 4096   
    Thank you for your reply, @horridus. They're always very detailed and well-written and I enjoy reading them. Much appreciated!
    Going off on the "stuck in the glory days" part, I definitely feel Penders put Sonic on this weird pedestal. As much as I still love Sonic, I wonder if Penders realizes that the series doesn't have the status it used to have back in the 90's. The sad truth is that Sonic isn't as popular anymore, and as a consequence he doesn't rake in as much profit. That kind of makes it all the more tragic when Penders clings so relentlessly to him. The comics (and arguably Sonic as a whole) is pretty much an end of an era. He's no longer the powerhouse he used to be, and the fact that Penders is clutching onto something that has long since passed on and moved on really tells of his current "achievements" and things like that. It's like that one guy you know who constantly reminsices and worships his high school days despite being out of high school for along time, because that's where he peaked.
    I don't know how much of the love drama was Bollers or how much of it was Penders, but good God am I glad that it's all over with and done. Those were some of the worst issues with the comics. I don't mind a tiny bit of romance drama (even if I prefer that there'd be none at all), but man did it go way overboard. I remember being a kid and reading the infamous issue where Sally slaps Sonic after he comes back from space. 
    And I admit, I do like some of the concepts that Penders introduced...he was just awful at executing them. That's something that's always too bad when it happens. You can have an amazing concept, but if you suck at actually making it work than well, tough luck I guess. When I was younger, I loved the idea of Knuckles belonging to this long lineage that's basically royalty, and seeing all the potential things his ancestors have done that led up to Knuckles's current situation. Seeing how Flynn writes them out, you can see these concepts do have potential and can be interesting. It took an entirely different writer though, haha.
    Reading more information about the Penders and Bollers feud...yikes. Really, yikes. I may not have liked Bollers writing too much more than Penders, but I still prefer him over the Knuckles stories that Penders was cranking out. It especially helps that Bollers seems to have moved on from his Sonic days and went on to do other things while Penders is still clinging on to those glory days. I'm going to be honest though and say that I can't help but feel this is partially the editor's fault as well. At the very least, he should be able to sort of strike some sort of balance. Or at the very, absolute least, he should make sure things are consistent. That should be the bare minimum. Instead of letting things wildly contradict each other, though I know that's also because Penders was adamant that the 25YL stories were the absolute real future of the characters. Slight tangent, but that's why I think the 25YL segment shouldn't have gone as long as it did. I can't help but feel that it's too tiring to constantly double check to make sure things line. Eventually, something's going to get messed up, especially on a ship that's as sloppily run as the Archie comics.
    The Knuckles movie is one of my favorite things about this whole mess. Like, part of me secretly wishes that Penders won the lottery just so we could see this trainwreck come to life. There's so many things wrong with this. The fact that he thinks he can have complete creative control over a mascot that he doesn't own a single part of. The fact that he thinks a Knuckles movie would generate enough of a profit for SEGA to be on board. This is one of those projects that I really wish got concept art and other things like his other Sonic movie pitch. I would just love to see his vision for a Knuckles movie.
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    TideKai got a reaction from Mr Silvia in Which character is the most unnecessary?   
    So, I try to stay out of character discussions since my opinions on a lot of the characters are almost purely subjective, and I feel that I wouldn't be able to really contribute anything substantial to the conversation. I do want to kind of chime in here and put in my two cents.
    I don't really want anyone to get "axed", just sort of written better. I know this is a really cop-out answer, I just don't know how to describe it. Most of the characters have an aspect I like and I'd rather they improve and feel more substantial as a character and to the narrative instead of getting rid of them completely. Even the characters that I don't like, I can see them being rewritten or retooled so that they are more appealing (maybe not necessarily to me but to others). I don't know...maybe someone else knows what I'm trying to say and can say it better than me? I'm awful at picking the right words to describe what I'm feeling.
    But my opinions on which characters I like and which I don't are kind of all over the place so maybe I shouldn't say anything, haha.
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    TideKai got a reaction from DaddlerTheDalek in The Lara-Su Chronicles and Ken Penders topic - READ PAGE 164, POST 4096   
    Thank you for your reply, @horridus. They're always very detailed and well-written and I enjoy reading them. Much appreciated!
    Going off on the "stuck in the glory days" part, I definitely feel Penders put Sonic on this weird pedestal. As much as I still love Sonic, I wonder if Penders realizes that the series doesn't have the status it used to have back in the 90's. The sad truth is that Sonic isn't as popular anymore, and as a consequence he doesn't rake in as much profit. That kind of makes it all the more tragic when Penders clings so relentlessly to him. The comics (and arguably Sonic as a whole) is pretty much an end of an era. He's no longer the powerhouse he used to be, and the fact that Penders is clutching onto something that has long since passed on and moved on really tells of his current "achievements" and things like that. It's like that one guy you know who constantly reminsices and worships his high school days despite being out of high school for along time, because that's where he peaked.
    I don't know how much of the love drama was Bollers or how much of it was Penders, but good God am I glad that it's all over with and done. Those were some of the worst issues with the comics. I don't mind a tiny bit of romance drama (even if I prefer that there'd be none at all), but man did it go way overboard. I remember being a kid and reading the infamous issue where Sally slaps Sonic after he comes back from space. 
    And I admit, I do like some of the concepts that Penders introduced...he was just awful at executing them. That's something that's always too bad when it happens. You can have an amazing concept, but if you suck at actually making it work than well, tough luck I guess. When I was younger, I loved the idea of Knuckles belonging to this long lineage that's basically royalty, and seeing all the potential things his ancestors have done that led up to Knuckles's current situation. Seeing how Flynn writes them out, you can see these concepts do have potential and can be interesting. It took an entirely different writer though, haha.
    Reading more information about the Penders and Bollers feud...yikes. Really, yikes. I may not have liked Bollers writing too much more than Penders, but I still prefer him over the Knuckles stories that Penders was cranking out. It especially helps that Bollers seems to have moved on from his Sonic days and went on to do other things while Penders is still clinging on to those glory days. I'm going to be honest though and say that I can't help but feel this is partially the editor's fault as well. At the very least, he should be able to sort of strike some sort of balance. Or at the very, absolute least, he should make sure things are consistent. That should be the bare minimum. Instead of letting things wildly contradict each other, though I know that's also because Penders was adamant that the 25YL stories were the absolute real future of the characters. Slight tangent, but that's why I think the 25YL segment shouldn't have gone as long as it did. I can't help but feel that it's too tiring to constantly double check to make sure things line. Eventually, something's going to get messed up, especially on a ship that's as sloppily run as the Archie comics.
    The Knuckles movie is one of my favorite things about this whole mess. Like, part of me secretly wishes that Penders won the lottery just so we could see this trainwreck come to life. There's so many things wrong with this. The fact that he thinks he can have complete creative control over a mascot that he doesn't own a single part of. The fact that he thinks a Knuckles movie would generate enough of a profit for SEGA to be on board. This is one of those projects that I really wish got concept art and other things like his other Sonic movie pitch. I would just love to see his vision for a Knuckles movie.
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    TideKai got a reaction from RobotnikHolmes in The Lara-Su Chronicles and Ken Penders topic - READ PAGE 164, POST 4096   
    Thank you for your reply, @horridus. They're always very detailed and well-written and I enjoy reading them. Much appreciated!
    Going off on the "stuck in the glory days" part, I definitely feel Penders put Sonic on this weird pedestal. As much as I still love Sonic, I wonder if Penders realizes that the series doesn't have the status it used to have back in the 90's. The sad truth is that Sonic isn't as popular anymore, and as a consequence he doesn't rake in as much profit. That kind of makes it all the more tragic when Penders clings so relentlessly to him. The comics (and arguably Sonic as a whole) is pretty much an end of an era. He's no longer the powerhouse he used to be, and the fact that Penders is clutching onto something that has long since passed on and moved on really tells of his current "achievements" and things like that. It's like that one guy you know who constantly reminsices and worships his high school days despite being out of high school for along time, because that's where he peaked.
    I don't know how much of the love drama was Bollers or how much of it was Penders, but good God am I glad that it's all over with and done. Those were some of the worst issues with the comics. I don't mind a tiny bit of romance drama (even if I prefer that there'd be none at all), but man did it go way overboard. I remember being a kid and reading the infamous issue where Sally slaps Sonic after he comes back from space. 
    And I admit, I do like some of the concepts that Penders introduced...he was just awful at executing them. That's something that's always too bad when it happens. You can have an amazing concept, but if you suck at actually making it work than well, tough luck I guess. When I was younger, I loved the idea of Knuckles belonging to this long lineage that's basically royalty, and seeing all the potential things his ancestors have done that led up to Knuckles's current situation. Seeing how Flynn writes them out, you can see these concepts do have potential and can be interesting. It took an entirely different writer though, haha.
    Reading more information about the Penders and Bollers feud...yikes. Really, yikes. I may not have liked Bollers writing too much more than Penders, but I still prefer him over the Knuckles stories that Penders was cranking out. It especially helps that Bollers seems to have moved on from his Sonic days and went on to do other things while Penders is still clinging on to those glory days. I'm going to be honest though and say that I can't help but feel this is partially the editor's fault as well. At the very least, he should be able to sort of strike some sort of balance. Or at the very, absolute least, he should make sure things are consistent. That should be the bare minimum. Instead of letting things wildly contradict each other, though I know that's also because Penders was adamant that the 25YL stories were the absolute real future of the characters. Slight tangent, but that's why I think the 25YL segment shouldn't have gone as long as it did. I can't help but feel that it's too tiring to constantly double check to make sure things line. Eventually, something's going to get messed up, especially on a ship that's as sloppily run as the Archie comics.
    The Knuckles movie is one of my favorite things about this whole mess. Like, part of me secretly wishes that Penders won the lottery just so we could see this trainwreck come to life. There's so many things wrong with this. The fact that he thinks he can have complete creative control over a mascot that he doesn't own a single part of. The fact that he thinks a Knuckles movie would generate enough of a profit for SEGA to be on board. This is one of those projects that I really wish got concept art and other things like his other Sonic movie pitch. I would just love to see his vision for a Knuckles movie.
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    TideKai got a reaction from horridus in The Lara-Su Chronicles and Ken Penders topic - READ PAGE 164, POST 4096   
    Thank you for your reply, @horridus. They're always very detailed and well-written and I enjoy reading them. Much appreciated!
    Going off on the "stuck in the glory days" part, I definitely feel Penders put Sonic on this weird pedestal. As much as I still love Sonic, I wonder if Penders realizes that the series doesn't have the status it used to have back in the 90's. The sad truth is that Sonic isn't as popular anymore, and as a consequence he doesn't rake in as much profit. That kind of makes it all the more tragic when Penders clings so relentlessly to him. The comics (and arguably Sonic as a whole) is pretty much an end of an era. He's no longer the powerhouse he used to be, and the fact that Penders is clutching onto something that has long since passed on and moved on really tells of his current "achievements" and things like that. It's like that one guy you know who constantly reminsices and worships his high school days despite being out of high school for along time, because that's where he peaked.
    I don't know how much of the love drama was Bollers or how much of it was Penders, but good God am I glad that it's all over with and done. Those were some of the worst issues with the comics. I don't mind a tiny bit of romance drama (even if I prefer that there'd be none at all), but man did it go way overboard. I remember being a kid and reading the infamous issue where Sally slaps Sonic after he comes back from space. 
    And I admit, I do like some of the concepts that Penders introduced...he was just awful at executing them. That's something that's always too bad when it happens. You can have an amazing concept, but if you suck at actually making it work than well, tough luck I guess. When I was younger, I loved the idea of Knuckles belonging to this long lineage that's basically royalty, and seeing all the potential things his ancestors have done that led up to Knuckles's current situation. Seeing how Flynn writes them out, you can see these concepts do have potential and can be interesting. It took an entirely different writer though, haha.
    Reading more information about the Penders and Bollers feud...yikes. Really, yikes. I may not have liked Bollers writing too much more than Penders, but I still prefer him over the Knuckles stories that Penders was cranking out. It especially helps that Bollers seems to have moved on from his Sonic days and went on to do other things while Penders is still clinging on to those glory days. I'm going to be honest though and say that I can't help but feel this is partially the editor's fault as well. At the very least, he should be able to sort of strike some sort of balance. Or at the very, absolute least, he should make sure things are consistent. That should be the bare minimum. Instead of letting things wildly contradict each other, though I know that's also because Penders was adamant that the 25YL stories were the absolute real future of the characters. Slight tangent, but that's why I think the 25YL segment shouldn't have gone as long as it did. I can't help but feel that it's too tiring to constantly double check to make sure things line. Eventually, something's going to get messed up, especially on a ship that's as sloppily run as the Archie comics.
    The Knuckles movie is one of my favorite things about this whole mess. Like, part of me secretly wishes that Penders won the lottery just so we could see this trainwreck come to life. There's so many things wrong with this. The fact that he thinks he can have complete creative control over a mascot that he doesn't own a single part of. The fact that he thinks a Knuckles movie would generate enough of a profit for SEGA to be on board. This is one of those projects that I really wish got concept art and other things like his other Sonic movie pitch. I would just love to see his vision for a Knuckles movie.
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    TideKai got a reaction from PublicEnemy1 in The Lara-Su Chronicles and Ken Penders topic - READ PAGE 164, POST 4096   
    Thank you for your reply, @horridus. They're always very detailed and well-written and I enjoy reading them. Much appreciated!
    Going off on the "stuck in the glory days" part, I definitely feel Penders put Sonic on this weird pedestal. As much as I still love Sonic, I wonder if Penders realizes that the series doesn't have the status it used to have back in the 90's. The sad truth is that Sonic isn't as popular anymore, and as a consequence he doesn't rake in as much profit. That kind of makes it all the more tragic when Penders clings so relentlessly to him. The comics (and arguably Sonic as a whole) is pretty much an end of an era. He's no longer the powerhouse he used to be, and the fact that Penders is clutching onto something that has long since passed on and moved on really tells of his current "achievements" and things like that. It's like that one guy you know who constantly reminsices and worships his high school days despite being out of high school for along time, because that's where he peaked.
    I don't know how much of the love drama was Bollers or how much of it was Penders, but good God am I glad that it's all over with and done. Those were some of the worst issues with the comics. I don't mind a tiny bit of romance drama (even if I prefer that there'd be none at all), but man did it go way overboard. I remember being a kid and reading the infamous issue where Sally slaps Sonic after he comes back from space. 
    And I admit, I do like some of the concepts that Penders introduced...he was just awful at executing them. That's something that's always too bad when it happens. You can have an amazing concept, but if you suck at actually making it work than well, tough luck I guess. When I was younger, I loved the idea of Knuckles belonging to this long lineage that's basically royalty, and seeing all the potential things his ancestors have done that led up to Knuckles's current situation. Seeing how Flynn writes them out, you can see these concepts do have potential and can be interesting. It took an entirely different writer though, haha.
    Reading more information about the Penders and Bollers feud...yikes. Really, yikes. I may not have liked Bollers writing too much more than Penders, but I still prefer him over the Knuckles stories that Penders was cranking out. It especially helps that Bollers seems to have moved on from his Sonic days and went on to do other things while Penders is still clinging on to those glory days. I'm going to be honest though and say that I can't help but feel this is partially the editor's fault as well. At the very least, he should be able to sort of strike some sort of balance. Or at the very, absolute least, he should make sure things are consistent. That should be the bare minimum. Instead of letting things wildly contradict each other, though I know that's also because Penders was adamant that the 25YL stories were the absolute real future of the characters. Slight tangent, but that's why I think the 25YL segment shouldn't have gone as long as it did. I can't help but feel that it's too tiring to constantly double check to make sure things line. Eventually, something's going to get messed up, especially on a ship that's as sloppily run as the Archie comics.
    The Knuckles movie is one of my favorite things about this whole mess. Like, part of me secretly wishes that Penders won the lottery just so we could see this trainwreck come to life. There's so many things wrong with this. The fact that he thinks he can have complete creative control over a mascot that he doesn't own a single part of. The fact that he thinks a Knuckles movie would generate enough of a profit for SEGA to be on board. This is one of those projects that I really wish got concept art and other things like his other Sonic movie pitch. I would just love to see his vision for a Knuckles movie.
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    TideKai reacted to Sonic Fan J in The Lara-Su Chronicles and Ken Penders topic - READ PAGE 164, POST 4096   
    You know, I usually just follow this topic for the interesting history relating to the comic but sometimes I just have to comment and this line just blew my mind
    How was it exactly that Penders thought he had the right to completely change a licensed character in a book that was at the end of the day a glorified commercial? I know people loved the old Archie continuum and still do so I mean no offense to them, but did Penders actually have any concept at all of what he was working on? It's not even that I haven't read the tales on this very thread already detailing the man's delusions, but this line just reads as if he was still shocked when he wrote it years after the fact that SEGA had the audacity to want their character to resemble how they designed him. When exactly did he cross the line in his head that SEGA had gifted him this franchise to do with as he pleased with all of no regard to the fact that he was writing a long-winded commercial that had long since forgotten it's purpose? I know people liked his works but was people liking his work really enough for him to believe that the franchise was pretty much his? His disconnection from reality really just boggles my mind when I read stuff like this. I mean just wow. Wow.
     
     
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    TideKai reacted to horridus in The Lara-Su Chronicles and Ken Penders topic - READ PAGE 164, POST 4096   
    I think that one was a bit more recent than that- @Tylinos, I believe, pointed out the various ways in which Penders doesn't really comprehend a lot about the comic book industry these days given that he hasn't actually been a part of it since 06, and his involvement even before that was never as high level as he likes to talk. PRimarily it shows itself in the way he has demonstrated zero ability to actually maneuver the new landscape of advertising, namely via online means, and likewise doesn't seem to process that this isn't the Image era and that he isn't a superstar by any stretch of the imagination. In fact, his entire twitter account of kind of a testament to how he doesn't 'get' it- one of the worst things to do when trying to be a professional in the internet age is to engage in the kind of squabbling he does on an almost weekly basis, especially since he doesn't really have any kind of clout. Nobody's going to want to pay attention to your launch event if you're acting like an angry toddler. 
    Now, on the SONIC front of things? Asides from the fact that Sonic was way more popular then and was pretty much a guaranteed sell compared to the day, Penders doesn't have any kind of clue that the franchise is in a very different place than it was back then. See, back then, SEGA of Japan didn't really care all THAT much about the particulars of Sonic, so long as the games were promoted and sold well. As a result of this, in the Western Hemisphere, Sega of America/Europe created their own localization that would form the basis of the canon for the games in that area, though it was fairly loosely applied and enforced. And since the games were such relatively simple affairs at that time, that meant the various bits of spin-off media could do pretty much what they wanted. As such you had separate continuities for three cartoons, two comics, and a bevy of storybooks. I mean, this was the day and age where something as whacked out as Sonic Underground could get made. 
    Then of course you have the particular situation at Archie, wherein Penders was able to work under a string of editors who more or less let him do whatever. Under these conditions, Penders and other writers were able to build up a pretty vast extended cast even before before the Knuckles book started up in earnest, as well as fleshing out a general mythology built up from things initially established in the SatAM show, with bits and pieces gradually added from the games. It was during this time that Penders worked, a time when the idea of Sonic was still so undefined that it could be RE-defined into virtually anything, with SEGA not really intervening as much as you would think. As such, Sonic in Archie gradually morphed into the weird semi-superhero, science fiction melodrama that it did, and this came to define Penders ideas of what 'Sonic' would be regardless of the wider context. 
    This of course all started to change in 1999- with the release of Sonic Adventure, SEGA decided they wanted a more coherent and unified approach to their franchise, and as such began to enforce the canon and story elements that had always been in the Japanese games while phasing off the loose canon of the Western translations. Naturally, this meant that sooner or later it would start to encroach upon the comic as well, and that would be at least part of the reason that Penders eventually left the book in 06, and why under Flynn the comics would shift more and more towards game focused stuff until the Lawsuit forced the big reboot. 
    Anyway, the point of order? Penders' mindset when it comes to Sonic is still stuck in the 'glory days'- he absolutely does not, or will not, comprehend that with the sheer number of games and cast editions since that time, the idea of what 'Sonic' is became far more solidified compared to what it was in his day. Furthermore, he really does not grasp that SEGA now pays a lot closer attention to the comics than they did in the old days and that a lot of the crap he pulled just would not fly under the current management. He doesn't comprehend that his idea of what Sonic is has been out of vogue for a very, very long time- the big proof of this? Him opinining what he'd do if he came back, and immediately deciding to delve into the Love Triangle shit with Sonic and Sally.... without demonstrating any kind of awareness that SEGA does not WANT Sonic to have a girlfriend or family or a detailed backstory or any of the things Penders obsesses over. 
    Aye, and therein lies the key problem. There is indeed nothing wrong with incorporating more mature subjects into materials meant for children- on paper it is in fact a very laudable thing to try and tell children about these things in a way that they will understand, and it can give a depth to a product that would otherwise not be present. Hell, Sesame Street and Mr. Rogers Neighborhood became such massive and beloved hits precisely because of this, as were cartoons like Avatar: The Last Airbender and Batman the Animated Series. The reason these things were able to triumph in this regard is due to the skill of the people behind these shows in being able to explain these subjects on a level that their intended target audience would understand, while at the same time not dumbing them down in the process... in essence, being able to explain things to kids while simultaneously being able to do so in a way that an adult could appreciate. 
    Penders however? Does the exact opposite- he tacks on difficult subjects and by some dark miracle, simultaneously makes them too complex for children while being too childish for adults. Its a major case of him wanting to have his cake and eat it- he wants the accolades for tackling such subjects, but doesn't really put in the kind of effort or nuance to truly make his intended audience understand. This leads to things like him trying to paint the conflict between the Legion and the Brotherhood as a shades of grey conflict, and yet at every given opportunity the Legion is a fairly standard evil organization, and the Brotherhood's similarities to them are not truly explored in a meaningful way. Token attempts are made, but with no follow through, and for all intents and purposes the Brotherhood remain 'The Good Guy' while the Legion are always the bad. Likewise, Penders is highly prone to drawing comparisons to real world conflicts and issues in the most shallow way imaginable. In the infamous 'Poem Incident', he re-wrote a famous poem describing the rize of Nazism, only instead made it about Robotnik. In doing so he completely robbed the original poem of its context (to put it lightly, Robotnik's takeover of Mobius and the reason it happened was NOTHING like Hitler's own rise to power in Germany) and thus its impact, and likewise fumbled in ensuring it would have little to do with the actual story- which amounted to the Dark Legion trying to rig an election by brainwashing the previous leader of Angel Island. 
    Like, I could probably write a collegiate thesis on why none of this works, but this is long and complex enough as it is. In short though, you are correct that Penders WANTS to be remembered as someone who wrote something challenging, deep, and meaningful, but he just doesn't have the chops or the insight. Instead he's just a prime example of the kind of pretentious dolt who quotes things without really understanding what any of it means. The kind of guy who wants to appear deep, but can't actually manage the real thing to save his life. 
    And yeah, you are indeed correct that Penders' ideas are not INNATELY terrible. Knuckles being part of a lineage of Guardians and there being a hidden city of surviving Echidna? That can work. King Acorn actually being a horrible king? Hey, that would be a fresh take on the possible perils of the 'Rightful King Returns' bit! One of the Freedom Fighters being gay and trying to find the strength to reveal this sensitive secret to their friends? Sure, nothing wrong with that! THe problem is... Penders cannot do any of it well, at all. He doesn't think things through. He doesn't really consider or develop characters. He takes too long or ignores basic logic to make things work. He gets waylaid by his personal pet obsessions. 
    It's just all so... disastrous. 
    Penders can talk a good game, but at the end of the day its all performative. One way or the next it's all meant to lead back to him and done for his own benefit. He earnestly could not give any kind of a crap about his fellow co-workers, given the way he boosts his own contributions while downplaying or diminishing what everyone else has to say. He only cares as far as it allows himself to look like a bigger man than he is and allows him to rail against his former employers. 
    Knowing Penders, he only said that in order to placate her. Penders tends to be the kind of guy who says what he thinks others want to hear him say, largely to get them off his case. Its why he tends to be so inconsistent about things like when Lara-Su Chronicles is coming out or all the other crap pertaining to it's precise relationship with the Sonic books. The guy's kind of a weasel. 
    Yep- I am, in fact, the individual who captured a thread detailing Penders actions.
    It's a series of screencaptures, and alas its only one page of a multi page thread, but it more than establishes Penders... distaste... for Bollers' creative direction.
    And then of course, there is this-
    http://web.archive.org/web/20101105110828/http://kenpenders.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=20
    Just in case the link doesn't work (because for some god awful reason linking to his archived page causes this site to get a vase of the vapors)-
    Yeah, Penders likes to pretend there was never any issue between him and Bollers, but the truth of the matter is he DEEPLY resented the man's writing on the book, particularly when it seemingly intruded into what Penders regarded as his own private domain. 
    And then of course there's this-
    http://sonicretro.org/2013/01/mobius-25-years-later-the-review-part-12-the-emotional-key-to-lockes-psyche/
    Soo yeah, sufficed to say... Penders does not play nice with others. At all. 
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    TideKai reacted to Dr. Detective Mike in Has the "Sonic's sh*tty friends" mentality been a detriment to this series?   
    I guess people just really miss the other characters nowadays. I could have used a couple more of you guys on my side back when everyone was hating them. It must have either been a vocal minority situation that was so loud that it shaped the way the games were  for the next decade and a half (and still ongoing) or everyone just changed their minds. I doubt it's the latter but it could be.
    Anyway, to answer the question, it's a detriment if the other characters were a big part of why you loved the series. They are for me, so most definitely it is. A huge one in fact. It might not matter at all to someone else though. 
    Funny thing about that phrase is that back then they technically weren't all his friends. Some were rivals and a few more were just acquaintances. That would always nag at the back of my skull even though it literally didn't matter.  IGN didn't care either. They still found ways to blame shit they didn't like about Generations on them even though they didn't do anything.
    "Most of these bad missions star Sonic's shitty friends" is a thing that was written and said by an actual reviewer. He just really wanted to let you know that these bad missions starred Sonic's shitty friends guys. He wasn't trying to subtly hint that the reason they sucked was because of their presence and not because the missions themselves were designed badly. No, no. That'd be totally passive aggressive and logically unsound. That's just not the IGN way.
    God, you know, I haven't talked or cared about IGN in years. That shitty review is the last memory I have of them honestly.
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    TideKai got a reaction from horridus in The Lara-Su Chronicles and Ken Penders topic - READ PAGE 164, POST 4096   
    Definitely agree with you. Something I like to discuss is how a certain piece of media, whether it be movies or books or video games or whatever, can be heavily influenced by the time period it came out. Sonic is definitely a good example of how he embodies a lot of themes and attitudes of the 90's and how that contributed to his popularity. I've always wanted to make a thread about it...but that's another story for another day, haha.
    I think someone in the thread about 50 pages ago or something about how Penders seems to have a mindset about Sonic and the comic industry in general that is stuck in the 90's. What are your thoughts about that, horridus?
    Hah, I've always suspected that since revisiting the comics as an adult, but it's nice to see that it's true. I've always had that weird inkling of Penders shoving all this crap into the comic because he desperately wanted to tell some kind of epic original story. It's especially telling when you read his list of "inspirations." Now, again, I'm not saying that kids are totally incapable of enjoying or understanding mature and deeper themes. However, a talented writer (which Penders is not) is able to weave it into a story that is still accessible to someone who is younger. I can say right now that as a kid, half of what was happening in the comic utterly confused me. I didn't care of course, since it was Sonic and Sonic could do whatever as long as it was Sonic. I think it's a good example, though, of how out-of-touch Penders can be with his material and his audience. I mean, would you hand Dune or Game of Thrones to a 8-10 year old kid and expect them to completely understand and enjoy all the parts of the story? 
    Penders comes off as the kind of person to me who wants to be remembered for making some sort of epic, deep, and heroic story. Unfortunately, the only thing that he's been on board with for an extended period of time and has seen any kind of success with is the Sonic comic, so I guess that became his sort of outlet for all of his pent-up ideas. Or maybe Penders is that kind of guy who thinks a story can't have any merit unless it has a huge amount of backstory baggage or something like that. When I read the Knuckles comic or some of the crazy stories of Sonic fighting aliens in an intergalatic war, it really makes me wonder just what Penders was trying to achieve.
    It's too bad, because while I don't agree with how he did it, I do like how Penders tried to take the Sonic comic in a more grounded and serious direction. I do like some of the concepts that he's come up with. I just think he's horrible at the execution.
    This makes no sense...wasn't Penders a "secondary" writer that came onto the book? Like, he wasn't one of the original writers? So...he's being a hypocrite. Nice.
    I was thinking about the incident where another writer (Scott Fulop, I think? Or Scott Shaw? Something like that) was also suing Archie for copyright over his characters, or when Penders was making those tweets about supporting (and I think showing up at it too?) the lawsuit of another person who worked under Archie (maybe one of the two that I mentioned before). That seems like someone who's pretty supportive of his fellow employees working for a comic company...but then he turns around and belittles their contributions or downplays them to make himself seem better. I can't wrap my head around it. I know that Archie's not exactly the best company, which is probably putting it very mildly, but you know...still. I feel kind of sorry for Flynn. Imagine being hired to write for a comic you've been passionate about and written your own fan material on...and having its previous writer, your predecessor, just demean you. I know Flynn's not the only one that this has happened to, but I'm sure part of it kind of bites.
    Ah, I thought I read something like that, maybe from Dawn Best herself. Which is too bad, Best is a great artist. I've seen some of her Sonic work that wasn't messed up by Penders, and it's pretty nice. She's drawn some of her own interpretations of Lien-Da and Lara-Su (which I can't find, ergh) and they look so nice. If Dawn Best was hired by Penders to draw for his comic books / graphic novels / whatever the hell they're supposed to be, I think they would look so much nicer. At least it'd look nice, even if everything else was a train wreck. There was also that statement she made about how Penders apparently told her that he was aware his art was only just "test art" or something and that he knew it would have to improve for the final product. I guess Penders...changed his mind? I don't know. I bet nobody knows.
    It's kind of sad, because I think Penders's work, particularly his pencils and his inks, are much better when he's working with others. I found a site that has a few examples of some pencils Penders did for some other comics, and I really do think they look nice. No doubt in part due to the efforts of the inkers and letters, but they still look pretty nice. It makes it all the more ironic that Penders seems to not be much of a team player. Here's a site with some non-Sonic examples, and here's one of what I'm talking about:
    (Also, I'm sorry if there's a lot of me saying "this thing happened, but I can't find the source" in this post. I swear I just suck at finding the original post. If I'm wrong on anything, please correct me about it.)
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    TideKai got a reaction from knuckles20 in Which character is the most unnecessary?   
    So, I try to stay out of character discussions since my opinions on a lot of the characters are almost purely subjective, and I feel that I wouldn't be able to really contribute anything substantial to the conversation. I do want to kind of chime in here and put in my two cents.
    I don't really want anyone to get "axed", just sort of written better. I know this is a really cop-out answer, I just don't know how to describe it. Most of the characters have an aspect I like and I'd rather they improve and feel more substantial as a character and to the narrative instead of getting rid of them completely. Even the characters that I don't like, I can see them being rewritten or retooled so that they are more appealing (maybe not necessarily to me but to others). I don't know...maybe someone else knows what I'm trying to say and can say it better than me? I'm awful at picking the right words to describe what I'm feeling.
    But my opinions on which characters I like and which I don't are kind of all over the place so maybe I shouldn't say anything, haha.
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    TideKai got a reaction from Âmesang in The Lara-Su Chronicles and Ken Penders topic - READ PAGE 164, POST 4096   
    Definitely agree with you. Something I like to discuss is how a certain piece of media, whether it be movies or books or video games or whatever, can be heavily influenced by the time period it came out. Sonic is definitely a good example of how he embodies a lot of themes and attitudes of the 90's and how that contributed to his popularity. I've always wanted to make a thread about it...but that's another story for another day, haha.
    I think someone in the thread about 50 pages ago or something about how Penders seems to have a mindset about Sonic and the comic industry in general that is stuck in the 90's. What are your thoughts about that, horridus?
    Hah, I've always suspected that since revisiting the comics as an adult, but it's nice to see that it's true. I've always had that weird inkling of Penders shoving all this crap into the comic because he desperately wanted to tell some kind of epic original story. It's especially telling when you read his list of "inspirations." Now, again, I'm not saying that kids are totally incapable of enjoying or understanding mature and deeper themes. However, a talented writer (which Penders is not) is able to weave it into a story that is still accessible to someone who is younger. I can say right now that as a kid, half of what was happening in the comic utterly confused me. I didn't care of course, since it was Sonic and Sonic could do whatever as long as it was Sonic. I think it's a good example, though, of how out-of-touch Penders can be with his material and his audience. I mean, would you hand Dune or Game of Thrones to a 8-10 year old kid and expect them to completely understand and enjoy all the parts of the story? 
    Penders comes off as the kind of person to me who wants to be remembered for making some sort of epic, deep, and heroic story. Unfortunately, the only thing that he's been on board with for an extended period of time and has seen any kind of success with is the Sonic comic, so I guess that became his sort of outlet for all of his pent-up ideas. Or maybe Penders is that kind of guy who thinks a story can't have any merit unless it has a huge amount of backstory baggage or something like that. When I read the Knuckles comic or some of the crazy stories of Sonic fighting aliens in an intergalatic war, it really makes me wonder just what Penders was trying to achieve.
    It's too bad, because while I don't agree with how he did it, I do like how Penders tried to take the Sonic comic in a more grounded and serious direction. I do like some of the concepts that he's come up with. I just think he's horrible at the execution.
    This makes no sense...wasn't Penders a "secondary" writer that came onto the book? Like, he wasn't one of the original writers? So...he's being a hypocrite. Nice.
    I was thinking about the incident where another writer (Scott Fulop, I think? Or Scott Shaw? Something like that) was also suing Archie for copyright over his characters, or when Penders was making those tweets about supporting (and I think showing up at it too?) the lawsuit of another person who worked under Archie (maybe one of the two that I mentioned before). That seems like someone who's pretty supportive of his fellow employees working for a comic company...but then he turns around and belittles their contributions or downplays them to make himself seem better. I can't wrap my head around it. I know that Archie's not exactly the best company, which is probably putting it very mildly, but you know...still. I feel kind of sorry for Flynn. Imagine being hired to write for a comic you've been passionate about and written your own fan material on...and having its previous writer, your predecessor, just demean you. I know Flynn's not the only one that this has happened to, but I'm sure part of it kind of bites.
    Ah, I thought I read something like that, maybe from Dawn Best herself. Which is too bad, Best is a great artist. I've seen some of her Sonic work that wasn't messed up by Penders, and it's pretty nice. She's drawn some of her own interpretations of Lien-Da and Lara-Su (which I can't find, ergh) and they look so nice. If Dawn Best was hired by Penders to draw for his comic books / graphic novels / whatever the hell they're supposed to be, I think they would look so much nicer. At least it'd look nice, even if everything else was a train wreck. There was also that statement she made about how Penders apparently told her that he was aware his art was only just "test art" or something and that he knew it would have to improve for the final product. I guess Penders...changed his mind? I don't know. I bet nobody knows.
    It's kind of sad, because I think Penders's work, particularly his pencils and his inks, are much better when he's working with others. I found a site that has a few examples of some pencils Penders did for some other comics, and I really do think they look nice. No doubt in part due to the efforts of the inkers and letters, but they still look pretty nice. It makes it all the more ironic that Penders seems to not be much of a team player. Here's a site with some non-Sonic examples, and here's one of what I'm talking about:
    (Also, I'm sorry if there's a lot of me saying "this thing happened, but I can't find the source" in this post. I swear I just suck at finding the original post. If I'm wrong on anything, please correct me about it.)
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    TideKai got a reaction from Monkey Destruction Switch in Which character is the most unnecessary?   
    Aw, thank you guys so much. It makes me happy to see others who love Omega too, haha.
    Along with what you guys have said, I think he's a fun character. A walking arsenal who's really full of himself and will shoot anything down, while also having a sense of humor. I also think the friendship he has with Shadow and Rouge is kind of sweet, and shows this other side to this team full of anti-heroes. He's just a really fun and engaging character to me, and I really like him and the Team Dark interactions. I do agree with the idea that made Rouge and Omega and tied too much to Team Dark at the cost of them having meaningful interactions outside the team, but I think that's something you can definitely fix by simply showing it. Omega can definitely have his own agenda outside of Team Dark.
    Sometimes a lot of the reason why I like something just boils down to, "He's just a funny walking robot who blows things up. I like that." 
    However, I do kind of agree with this. If there's one group of characters that I feel have the most trouble with meshing with the cast and series, definitely the Babylon Rogues. I agree with everything you've said about them and I probably couldn't say it better, haha. I think they're probably "trapped" by the fact that they were written with specific and limiting circumstances in mind (the Riders series). I'm definitely indifferent to them as well.
    I think this is a really sweet sentiment! It's one I always try to keep in mind. Even if you don't like something, someone else may really appreciate it, and I think that's swell. For the characters that I dislike in the series, I understand that others like them for the reasons I don't and that those characters appeal to them. Everybody loves somebody sometimes!
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    TideKai reacted to Dr. Detective Mike in Which character is the most unnecessary?   
    No, you're good. I love Omega as well. He's badass. He's funny. His entire motivation is based on something unapologetically selfish and inherent on revenge, something risky and almost unseen for a character not aligned with villainly in a series with a demographic like this. He and Rouge definitely have the most anti-hero potential out of Team Dark in my opinion. 
    A lot of what was listed about him there is all stuff that ties back to poor handling, which is something that could be said of literally any character nowadays. Omega's potential to disrupt the status quo by being a force of nature that works for himself, leading to bad or good things happening on either side depending on who the hero or villain of a given game is and what his objective towards rampaging at Eggman could lead to is something thats yet to be tapped into. 
    Even Ian Flynn relented and just lazily gave him Gamma's soul, making him more of a hero rather than take full advantage of his interesting position. The fact that he's also friends with Shadow and Rouge on top of that also provides a positive layer to his more negative traits. Its the ultimate waste of an opportunity to see him so mismanaged.
    I'd lose a little respect for any writer that saw fit to just toss him away before attempting to captialize on it at least once. I love that Team Dark is a part of their characters and it being the reason for the character's origin literally doesn't matter. So long as its treated as just "a part" of who they are and not literally just who they are at all times, its a great addition to their identity. 
    This whole discussion on whose the most useless is a bit of a odd one for me. I don't see how it matters given that the position everyone has at the moment is fairly equal. Even I as someone who tauts that Cream is the one character that doesn't have a focal point for any kind of development or personal occupation can see that the simple solution to that problem would be to simply give her one.
    Just get creative. If you can't you might just be letting your hatred or lack of interest in a character as they are now cloud your judgement. If you think the bar for what can be done with them was set by anyone at Sonic Team then you're giving them too much credit.
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    TideKai reacted to FFWF in Which character is the most unnecessary?   
    Characters are only as necessary or unnecessary as the writing makes them.  If they aren't being used at all, is it even fair to call them "unnecessary"?  You can only call them out in relation to their role in a particular game.  But even then, I think that "necessary" is too high a bar to demand everyone clear.  It can be more interesting for a character to be present without them being absolutely "necessary".
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    TideKai reacted to Won't Stop, Just Go in Which character is the most unnecessary?   
    Omega is not only a great idea but also hilarious and everyone who's saying ditch him lacks creativity. Omega being a straight-shooting ball of rage to comical levels contrasts well with Rouge who always has another agenda. Shadow would actually probably find it pretty refreshing how predictable Omega is by comparison. Having a loud distraction that can also take a beating makes sense for characters that lean on stealth, too. 

    He just...wouldn't be the brightest. He's very one track minded in his goals which Shadow...understands, to be frank. He's been there. The whole vengeance thing. 
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    TideKai reacted to Monkey Destruction Switch in Which character is the most unnecessary?   
    Broadly speaking, I tend to agree with the notion that "axing" characters or labeling them as unnecessary is itself unnecessary, but if anyone fits this description, it would be the Babylon Rogues. Even then, they obviously serve a purpose in the Riders series, but generally it feels like they could've just created a racing game that didn't involve them or maybe involved an interesting new character instead of the boring cookie-cutter rivals that they are. Even when I was young, I thought the Rogues just seemed like clutter. They only exist for that very specific sub-series and for me there's almost nothing interesting or appealing about them as characters. I like almost every Sonic character to some extent, but it's hard for me to muster up anything better than stony cold indifference for the Rogues. The thing is, it seems like the "lore" behind them has some chance to be interesting, but the characters themselves don't do anything for me. I don't resent their fans or anything, in fact I think it's kind of cool when people can see some value in something that I can't.
    I like this idea.
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    TideKai got a reaction from Monkey Destruction Switch in Which character is the most unnecessary?   
    So, I try to stay out of character discussions since my opinions on a lot of the characters are almost purely subjective, and I feel that I wouldn't be able to really contribute anything substantial to the conversation. I do want to kind of chime in here and put in my two cents.
    I don't really want anyone to get "axed", just sort of written better. I know this is a really cop-out answer, I just don't know how to describe it. Most of the characters have an aspect I like and I'd rather they improve and feel more substantial as a character and to the narrative instead of getting rid of them completely. Even the characters that I don't like, I can see them being rewritten or retooled so that they are more appealing (maybe not necessarily to me but to others). I don't know...maybe someone else knows what I'm trying to say and can say it better than me? I'm awful at picking the right words to describe what I'm feeling.
    But my opinions on which characters I like and which I don't are kind of all over the place so maybe I shouldn't say anything, haha.
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