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  1. This year's work. In addition to the usual pumpkin I also used two turnips, one for Cheese and one for Cheese's emote ball.
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    Happy 161st birthday, Theodore Roosevelt.

    1. Chili Dawg

      Chili Dawg

      I Am the eggman

      that’s what i am

      i am the eggman

      i got the master plan

  3. "The defense squad Team Jackal has already been annihilated! All units, attack by any means necessary!" How is this not explicit? It was released on November 7, 2017, the same day as the main game. And the Sonic Forces digital comic was released a month earlier. They were developed at the same time and released on the same day. Your position regarding the relationship between the final game and the supporting material is based purely on your opinion about the quality of the story and not substantiated by any information we have about how it developed or the order in which the content was finalized. The same pods which are visible in Episode Shadow: Talking about how he cast his old self away and was reborn, no less. But nah, there can't possibly be any connection between what Infinite's saying and what we see in the room around him, that's just a totally esoteric and obscure line of reasoning. If that were the case, then why is the entire exchange between Sonic Infinite about friendship being an illusion/Infinite masking his own loneliness absent from the initial draft of Makoto Goya's script for Forces? The only reason that dialogue is in the game is to tie into Infinite's characterization as depicted in Episode Shadow. If you don't think so, simply produce evidence that this exchange was already part of Forces before Episode Shadow was written. I've had someone tell me Harry Potter doesn't contain commentary about racism and people who thought it did were just spinning fanfiction. This conversation isn't quite as nonsensical as that one, but it's still pretty baffling. >Infinite's backstory involves his teammates being killed by Shadow >Sonic says Infinite's actions are motivated by how sad and lonely he is Conclusion: Infinite is sad and lonely because Shadow killed his teammates. "Gee wiz look at how much you're contorting the narrative" This simply is not the crazy off-the-wall concept you've made it out to be and I have not seen any tangible evidence to support the argument that the presence of these elements in the game was unintentional. And the assertion that Episode Shadow is irrelevant to interpreting the rest of Forces is just as untrue as the last time you said it. Not the bank's business, apparently. Logic of the highest order. Sonic Channel says otherwise. Except for that exchange with Sonic where they're clearly talking about how Infinite lost his teammates, which contrary to what you've assumed was not part of the early development stages of the story, but was included after the storyline was revised to incorporate tie-in media like Mania and Episode Shadow. SEGA's approach to Shadow in recent games besides Forces and their mandates about his characterization in IDW have already cemented him as more ruthless and self-interested than he was in the mid 2000s. This is still true even if you chose to trivialize the impact of his actions in Episode Shadow- only the most notable thing Shadow has done in years. They are dead in order to motivate their leader into becoming Infinite. That isn't a criticism of Shadow, but it is an indictment: SEGA considers Shadow someone they can readily use to generate motivating tragedy for another character, which is the same role GUN played in Shadow's own backstory. Now instead of doing that they could have created an organic continuation of his development in 06, but this didn't happen. We are left with the Shadow who recklessly abuses his abilities without considering the consequences that follow. Then you'll be delighted when the next Sonic game further explores these aspects of Shadow's psychology and how his actions shaped Infinite, since my interpretation of Forces is objectively correct. Of course knowing SEGA the next Sonic game will probably have Zavok as the main villain or something equally ridiculous and not reference Forces in any meaningful way at all, but even if that happens I'll stick with my intuitions. I've been vindicated before. A emotionally charged conclusion, easily refuted by the evidence at hand.
  4. That reminds of Eggor, rabbit-turned-Robotnik's lackey in the Martin Adams Sonic books. This is Sonic Adventure inspired fanart of the character curtesy of Jessica Padkin.
  5. It upsets me that Sonic 06's actual title is just 'Sonic the Hedgehog', like a Hollywood movie.  Then they went and made an actual Hollywood movie called Sonic the Hedgehog.  And both of these have brought infamy to the name...

    1. Polkadi~☆

      Polkadi~☆

      Sonic the Hedgehog 1991 is the worst one of them all, because it introduced Green Hill Zone. The nostalgia pandering goes all the way back.

    2. Ivo-goji

      Ivo-goji

      Sonic 1991 will always be Sonic 1 to me.

  6. One normally playable copy, on Mega Collection. Two counting Gems Collection.
  7. It always bothered me that Eggman was treated basically as an afterthought in these conceptions, rather than being treated as the second most important character in the series after Sonic himself. Sonic X did that and it created a nova of plot holes that were never addressed.
  8. It absolutely is relevant. Episode Shadow and the e-comic are Infinite's canon backstory. The player is supposed to interpret Infinite's actions in light of those materials. They weren't added to the game a year later or something, they were all part of the same narrative as it was presented at launch, produced by the same group of writers. It isn't limited to Infinite's character either, the whole story is built around details that are only discussed in the supplemental material. Why is Omega damaged at the beginning of the game? The player never finds out unless they download Episode Shadow. How did Eggman get the original Phantom Ruby? We're expected to read the digital comic to learn more. Why is Silver there? Only explained in the comic. Which doesn't contradict Episode Shadow, where Infinite waxes poetic about how his old self died and was reborn as a vessel for harnessing the Phantom Ruby. Only if you ignore everything he says about friendship being an illusion and how people can rely on no one but themselves, while Sonic and the Rookie are harping on the value of teamwork, the core theme of the entire game. Do you have an argument beyond "I want Infinite to be a shallow character, therefore ignore everything established about him in supporting materials"? Or maybe you're just not giving SEGA enough credit and it actually doesn't take much thought to go beyond a surface-level interpretation of the narrative? Lmao, I'll keep that in mind next time you tell us about Mephiles being a Black Arms entity. Omega being Omega in his bunker isn't Omega minding his own business (not for very long anyway). Rouge carrying out a robbery definitely isn't Rouge minding her own business. Behold, Shadow's game. GUN explicitly had no control over the research conducted aboard the ARK and distrusted the scientists working there for that reason. Shadow spent all of Sonic Battle mulling over the tension between protecting the world by killing potential threats (in this case Emerl) and doing what he knows Maria would actually want him to do, and in the end he chose not to kill. "I think these characters matter and these other characters don't so killing them is ok" isn't an argument. This was true up til around Generations or so. In recent games Shadow seems less interested in being a vessel of peace than in being powerful for power's sake, being better than Sonic just because he can, fighting because it proves how superior the Ultimate Life Form is, etc. Does this surprise you? Shadow being confronted with temptation to use his powers selfishly is also a constant theme across his appearances; Battle, ShtH, 06. He didn't decide to be good once then live happily ever after. Yes. And some of his choices are evil. And you are trying to ignore Episode Shadow and what it implies about him to preserve a notion of the character's integrity, when objectively what Shadow did was pretty terrible.
  9. If there were four people killed in the explosion that would fit the definition of mass murder.
  10. Jet's dad. He looks more like he lived in the 1700s than being from the same generation as Vanilla.
  11. In no way at all does it work without Shadow killing the Jackal Squad. Every interaction Infinite has with the Rookie is mirrored by something that happened earlier between Infinite and Shadow. The entire point of the story is that Infinite and the Rookie suffered similar experiences but chose to cope with them differently- a theme which takes for granted that they both lost their comrades. And she was complicit with mass murder while being undercover. The audience knows those things. No one in-universe would have that context when stumbling onto Omega's bunker or witnessing Rouge rob a place for Eggman. At least ten other people worked on Project Shadow and, considering the size of the thing, several hundred engineers were involved in constructing the Eclipse Cannon. Oh yes he did: Shadow made a vow to give people on Earth a chance to be happy! A vow he promised to fulfill on multiple occasions! Destroying Eggman's robot minions is consistent with that, but having callous disregard for living people hardly is. Shadow was there to stop Eggman's weapons research. He made exactly the same kind of moral judgement in taking out the Jackal Squad for guarding Eggman's base as GUN did when they eliminated the people involved in Project Shadow. True, he didn't go out and execute Knuckles or the Babylon Rogues for working with Eggman on past occasions, but difference between those characters and the Jackal Squad is purely circumstantial. Actually eleven or more scientists + several hundred engineers, not one person, and Maria is the only known child causality of the raid (the young Commander was spared for example), and she was certainly participating when Gerald entrusted Shadow to her. A pointless waste of life that motivated the lone survivor into becoming a super weapon who filled the world with destruction. Thus Shadow's arc was brought full circle: he is now the thing he hates most.
  12. Uh, did we play the same game? Infinite spends the majority of his time pontificating on how friendship and teamwork are illusory and only one's own strength matters, despite formerly being the leader of a squad that (going off the digital comic) respected him and believed in their own effectiveness as a team. One of the most defining moments in the story is the flashback where Infinite slaughters the band of Resistance fighters the Rookie was working with, leaving the Rookie the only survivor- exactly what Shadow did to Infinite! Sonic sees through Infinite and perceives that all of his posturing is to hide how sad and lonely he is; and of course he's sad and lonely, all his comrades are dead. Shadow killing the Jackal Squad defines every single thing Infinite does over the course of the game, how on Earth can anyone say it had no effect on his characterization? By that logic it would be just as acceptable if Sonic killed Rouge or Shadow. All we've seen the Jackal Squad do before Shadow fought them is 1- try to steal from Eggman and 2- defend one of his laboratories. Rouge and Shadow helped Eggman commit massive scale terrorism, including blowing up an island with who knows how many people on it. Every member of Team Dark should be given pause by the notion that "people affiliated with Eggman are free targets". I absolutely do consider the situation comparable to the ARK raid. Gerald Robotnik created a dangerous kaiju sized science project and a laser that could blow up planets; GUN thought murdering innocents was an acceptable price to bring this threat under control. The Jackal Squad offered Dr. Eggman protection and Shadow, in an astounding act of personal hypocrisy, decided annihilating them was an acceptable price to stop the threat presented by Eggman's Phantom Ruby project. Justifying the latter is hardly different from justifying the former.
  13. Infinite reconciling with Shadow would undermine the impact of Shadow wiping out the Jackal Squad. That lets Shadow off the hook too easily. Personally I want the next Sonic game to be about Shadow confronting the fact that he's responsible for everything that happened in Forces and realizing that he's become the kind of person who would have carried out the ARK massacre. I don't think Infinite fixiating on Shadow makes any sense, given that he expresses complete indifference towards him during the course of Forces proper. It's the relationship between Infinite and the Avatar character that has the most fertile ground to develop further. If it were up to me, Eggman would go after the Rookie to use him as a replacement for Infinite, thinking that if the Rookie could control the Phantom Ruby prototype then they can be shaped into a more powerful living weapon. Infinite is ordered to coach the Rookie in harnessing the Phantom Ruby and making them carry out missions for Eggman, but he would be infuriated at the idea of becoming obsolete and eventually try to prove he is stronger.
  14. I hated how the Classic Sonic is depicted as a mime in the 3D games. That was never part of his personality, he's supposed to have attitude and be sassy. Sonic isn't Mario.
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