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    Moose the Cat got a reaction from Snowragnarok in One True Blue Canon (the "Everything Happened" theory)   
    Again, this thread is about trying to find ways to connect these different universes into one larger tapestry with a bit of squinting/squeezing/fudging/headcanoning. There are obviously a bunch of contradictions, as stated in the OP and it's easy to find ways in which they don't line up. 
    You're more than welcome to join the fun, Big Panda, but please try to keep things additive and build off of what's possible, rather than focusing on how it's not. Your posts are coming off a little bit like heckling, and I'm sure that is not your intent! This goes for everyone, not just you specifically, but this is your third post in the thread disagreeing with the overall premise — which is fine to disagree, it's noted, but it's also kind of a dead end, conversationally.
    ...
    As for how to resolve SSS #10 and other instances of different versions of Sonic meeting each other...
    It's basically the Sonic Generations fix. The multiverse is infinitely branching and expanding. It's like the butterfly effect theory. Each individual Sonic adventure is accessible as it's own pocket dimension through time/space travel. But, also, there is One True Sonic who actually did live through all of these experiences. Any breaks in the time/space continuum could be attributed to... the Time Eater, or Eggman's messing with the Phantom Ruby / Time Stones, or the Super Genesis Wave, or any number of other magical explanations.
    I hope this helps! 
    I'd also like to add that, even beyond Sonic Team, this franchise has had a lot of creative writers who very much did care about the lore.... and a lot of really cool stuff has come out of these efforts!
    It's just up to us to appreciate them!  And really, once you start looking at everything, there are actually far fewer contradictions than there are commonalities.
    ...
    Does anyone know how Ian Flynn reconciled the Echidna lore -- the Penders stuff with the Adventure stuff? I would have to assume he found a creative way to make both work together, but unfortunately, it's not possible to access the Archie books anymore unless you already own them.
     
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    Moose the Cat got a reaction from Snowragnarok in One True Blue Canon (the "Everything Happened" theory)   
    That's cool, didn't know that. I think that's the right mindset. Ian Flynn has a similar-ish approach to IDW, although I know there's a bunch of restrictions on characters.
    Knuckles in Boom makes sense if you assume it's like 10 years after the "present day." He's had a growth spurt. He's older and bigger. Somehow he's able to not worry about the master emerald. They've all relaxed and grown up.
    The timeline is mostly chronological, and when you look at the franchise holistically, as everything counted for the character as well as for you as the audience/player, I think it does give you some new insights.
    Mostly though it's just like an optional lens to view the franchise as the character, in a way. Throughout the different mediums and stories, there are clear recurring ideas and themes expressed in a variety of tones and experiences. But you as the reader/viewer/player have experienced more Sonic than Sonic has. But if you adjust your framework to separate as much of the line between the meta context and the content to just let it all exist as one relatively coherent thing. You see the series/character be very adaptable, go through growing pains, how certain ideas repeat -- Sonic saves a lot of princesses, as one specific. You can kind of even trace a broad, rough character arc for Sonic's ability to trust and rely on people, with the 2020 film as the beginning and Forces as the culmination of 29 years worth of adventuring with many different animal sidekicks.
    It's not impossible that the IDW comics could re-incorporate Archie characters, or classic characters like Fang, or OVA characters, or even Sonic Underground characters. Flynn's done a great job in the past of making everything fit together pretty well. Obviously there are legal and corporate restrictions. I'm not saying it's likely, but stranger things have happened.
    As for how it's useful — Sonic 2 and Sonic 1 were both re-released recently on Nintendo Switch. I've played these games countless times. As I was replaying for the millionth time I decided to do a slower run where I made sure to defeat each badnik in each level. "Sonic's a freedom fighter; we gotta catch 'em all."  It made it more fun to play an old game a new way, by remembering and reincorporating the "rebels vs empire" theme that's very present in Sonic 1 and Sonic 2 and even more so in Archie/SatAM/etc. You can imagine Sonic or Knuckles' "inner monologue" as you're playing however you want it to be, and the existing extra media gives you a framework to imagine this as part of a larger whole ... like rewatching a Star Wars movie and figuring out how to sync it with other SW media.
    Also, with the distinct possibility of a Sonic 2 movie, there's an opportunity to stop the "Sonic's World" thing and call Sonic's world Mobius. If you're doing chili dogs, you might as well just call the planet what it is. 
    There's also a lot of apocalypses, which is interesting.
    OVA and Archie both make clear that Sonic's World is a post-apocalyptic future Earth. It's not hard to make OVA and Archie match up, we just haven't seen the South Island president or Princess Sara since then.
    More apocalypses occur in Sonic Adventure, Sonic Unleashed, Archie Super Genesis Wave. 
    It makes sense that Mobius would be terraformed the way it is, being shaped by many thousands of years of repeating big Climate Crises on what used to be modern Earth. It's basically like Planet of the Apes but instead of nukes, most of the planet was sunk into the ocean, and some civilizations fled into the sky. It fits with the other genre influences like Star Wars and Dragon Ball. 
     
    Edit — Also, I think the term "Freedom Fighter" shouldn't have to be relegated to the Archie/SatAM dustbin. I'm fine if we never see those characters again (they more than had their time), but "Freedom Fighter" just sounds cool and should belong to Sonic and Tails, not duds like Antoine and Rotor. It sounds better and communicates motivation better than "Team Sonic."  Sonic has been fighting for animal freedom since day one. He and his friends are Freedom Fighters.
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    Moose the Cat got a reaction from Snowragnarok in Sonic Headcanons   
    Fun thread! Here's a riff on the Birds and wings idea.
    Sonic developed his natural born speed based on a desire to fly, as a result of being raised in the remnants of an ancient bird civilization. South Island is home to the second largest population of Flickies in the world, and Baby Sonic was raised by Longclaw the Owl. 
    Though neither Longclaw nor Flickies are capable of prolonged flight like birds in our world, they can flutter and glide and cover distances quickly. 
    Baby Sonic loved to run and chase his Flicky friends, and soon exceeded their speed, discovering his own abilities and earning the name "Sonic" (a nickname that immediately then became his real name as his hedgehog birthname was unknown) when his speed broke the sound barrier — and caused irrevocable damage to Old Man Owl's hearing... when his sight was already bad!
    My other major headcanon is that Everything Happened... which is mostly just assuming that the IDW comic series is a continuation from the Archie series, following the multiple universal resets by Eggman and Wily, but following Sonic Forces, the Archie characters finally went their separate ways from Sonic, and the Kingdom of Acorn was in good stable hands. Once Sonic and friends left, Eggman had no reason to continue focusing on them.  
    I like to assume that they could come back. And though it's unlikely it's definitely not an impossible issue of rights for that to happen in a mini-series or something to revisit Sally and Knothole and see how they ended up, or that Sega could change their minds about using Fang/Bean/Bark and Mighty/Ray/Honey.
    Sonic Boom is the "happily ever after" of the story, taking place 10 years in the future, but still well before "25 Years Later" (if you want it), when Sonic & friends lazily keep watch over Eggman in his "base" (actually a prison cell) on Prison Island, where they befriend the locals including Sticks the Badger. 
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    Moose the Cat got a reaction from Snowragnarok in One True Blue Canon (the "Everything Happened" theory)   
    Eventually I will be compiling the full "story chronological" guide into one post on here, then maybe additionally on Medium or something, so it can be easily referenced with links and specific, comprehensive order of all Sonic media.
    In the meantime, I'll be writing up some of the foundational elements like key character bios; maybe down the line every single character can have an Everything Happened bio.
     
    [open file]
    Dr. Ivo Robotnik / Dr. Eggman
    Ivo Robotnik is an evil genius roboticist & narcissistic aspiring emperor who uses magic technology to warp reality to his benefit. Though his ultimate ambitions have been routinely disrupted by Sonic the Hedgehog, Dr. Eggman's efforts have damaged space/time to an irreparable degree — if it ever was, it is now no longer possible to accurately pinpoint exactly when Robotnik came into existence. 
    Ivo is a middle-aged human male in poor physical health due to a largely sedentary lifestyle and poor diet. Some of the earliest accounts to Robotnik's time and place of birth indicate a highly privileged upbringing as Julian Kintobor of the House of Ivo, one of the elite families in a city-state exclusive to humans and unwelcome to Mobians, who first rebelled against his family for the furry kind, then betrayed his new benefactors for his own coup in Mobotropolis, overthrowing the crown, enslaving the populace, and successfully establishing the nightmarish city-state of Robotropolis.
    But this story is not entirely reliable — as one looks through the lineage of the House of Ivo, one realizes that it traces back to an Ivo Kintobor, who looks identical to our present day understanding of Dr. Eggman. This leads researchers to believe that both are results of the same hoax — Eggman rewriting history with the Chaos Force and other magic technology to give himself every advantage in achieving his goals.
    Eggman's earliest encounters with Sonic were more curious in nature. Somehow, perhaps through his travels through time, by the time he "first" met Sonic, he could dimly recall ancient prophecies in his learnings of extinct cultures, or feel echoes of their future battles (some occurring in the past or adjacent to time)... there was something magnetic about the speedy blue hedgehog that attracted Robotnik's attention, which soon curdled into maniacal obsession.
    Eggman wants to "solve" Sonic — in terms of defeating and capturing him, and in terms of understanding Sonic better than he understands himself. His various Metal Sonic creations are attempts to recreate Sonic's power with technology. He decided to try a completely opposite approach -- so he created a gentle A.I. personality with all of his genius but limitless computer patience. He called it Kintobor (which appears to be one of Eggman's "clever" pranks to us through time, a way of besmirching our history books with "Eggman was here" graffiti) and sent it through time to meet Sonic as a baby and conduct experiments with the R.O.C.C machine (retro orbital chaos compressor). Though the device failed, severely underestimating even baby Sonic, this did succeed in planting false memories in Sonic, convincing him that he and Robotnik used to be friends (before "Robuttnik" became pure habit, it began as an attempt by Sonic to point out how absurd Robotnik sounds compared to Kintobor). This trick led to Sonic not using the full force of his powers against Eggman, instead treating him like a joke, allowing Eggman the privacy needed to construct his first Death Egg super weapon. Eventually, Sonic realized the deception as being part of the Kintobor A.I. scheme -- Eggman was always Robotnik. In spite of this, Sonic seems to still believe there is inherent good hiding deep within Robotnik's heart (the recent amnesia-driven "Mr. Tinker" episode giving the hedgehog renewed hope) but his faith has yet to be rewarded.
    Though the Death Egg was never fully fired, the first model was successfully powered and operational on three (3) occasions, each event having a significant effect on the time/space. For many years, it was not known precisely what Robotnik's weapon had the potential to do. It known as a "world roboticizer," instantly enslaving the entire population as robots and badniks. This was true, and in a sense, it did work — it allowed Eggman the ability to manipulate the past to enslave populations like South Island, Mobotropolis and all of West Side Island, resulting in the present advantages Eggman seemingly conjures from nowhere at will. A lot of work goes into Empire building, but a lot of it happens off-screen. Two of the Death Egg's launches occurred on Angel Island, resulting in a particularly fractured history for the Echidnas of the Floating Island.
    There is little doubt that Eggman's meddling with the Time Stones on Little Planet inspired the Death Egg's super weapon, and likely accounts for his first discovery and then exploitation of this ability. That is to say, though the time stream may never be fully unsnarled, it is unlikely that "Julian of Ivo" discovered time travel, and became Eggman, and far more likely that Eggman traveled back in time and created alternate personas like "Julian of Ivo" or "Ovi Kintobor" as both a disguise and a signature to his future admirers.
    Later models like the Death Egg II would again have devastating ripple effects, still being felt and discovered to this day.
    There can be no doubt that the efforts of Sonic and his Freedom Fighter friends have prevented Eggman from achieving the worst outcomes. But there can be no doubt that Eggman has indeed succeeded in shaping existence to his narcissism. He has ruled multiple city-states bearing his name and likeness, in our world, and in several others that we know of, and who knows how many remain unknown? Robotnik's creation and establishment of these dark metropolises is often not even as clear as the origin of Robotropolis. Recently, however, the Eggman Empire completed a takeover of 99.9% of all territory on the planet after successfully defeating and capturing Sonic with the magical technology of the Phantom Ruby, which again warped reality in ways not yet entirely known.  
    Currently, Eggman is regaining territory of the planet with a new bio-weapon, the Metal Virus, effectively roboticizing every organic lifeform it touches. In order to save the world, Sonic the Hedgehog will likely need the full extent of his Chaos powers. Will our already battered and bruised reality be able to withstand the result? How would we ever know?
    Ironically, Eggman's quest to control reality has only made it endlessly more chaotic and unstable. Nevertheless, the Mad Doctor persists in his vain attempt to permanently shape the natural world in his image... and his efforts are routinely diminished by an opponent as natural and free as the wind, crushing Robotnik's pointless ambitions, as reliably as the ocean resets every castle made of sand.
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    Moose the Cat got a reaction from ProfGawhite678 in Stuff from other continuities that you wish were canon to the games   
    I agree. The Archie "Genesis of a Hero" having Sally Acorn being in the Green Hill Zone Act 1 container, and the other FF after that, was a nice update / riff on that. I also liked that they included the original sound test backing band with Mina Mongoose replacing the human Madonna. 
    It's a shame Archie lost the license and Sega changed gears - it's nice to have the refresh with IDW but it's really just the same reboot from Mega Drive/Genesis minus the deep roster of fun characters (the Hooligans, Finitevus, etc)
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    Moose the Cat got a reaction from ProfGawhite678 in Stuff from other continuities that you wish were canon to the games   
    I wish it were all canon to the games. That would be cooler.  Obviously I understand the licensing issues, ala Ken Penders, and the efforts to maintain an overall brand IP and not dilute it. 
    But at the same time, Sonic's World is more attractive the more vibrantly colorful and inclusive it is.  It's more fun for everyone. 
    Sonic is the main character, and he has his core friends Tails and Amy and Knuckles, but he's a social butterfly and can know a lot of people. Narratively, a game could easily include Knothole and Princess Sally Acorn without assuming the player needs to have any prior knowledge. Tails simply introduces her, "Princess Sally! Wow, we haven't seen you in awhile!"  "Yes, thanks to you and Sonic, Knothole has been peaceful ever since... until this story!"
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    Moose the Cat reacted to DabigRG in Knuckles: friend or foe?   
    Hm...you think that should've been used more in recent games?
    True dat.
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    Moose the Cat reacted to Big Panda in Archie Sonic Main Discussion   
    I love Genesis, if only for the nostalgic memories it brings up. And I’m not talking about “classic Sonic game” memories.
    That general period in the fandom was absolutely nuts, with whether or not Sally had indeed died at the end of 225 being a hot topic for a solid four months, with responses from both sides being pure gold; I recall how on Bumbleking there was a thread opened up that was dedicated exclusively to making fun of it all.
    As for the story itself; I still liked it. The way it played on my suspense was pretty well done imo. There was a hint of tension that came from seeing Sonic and co initially going about their new life remaining completely unaware that something big was happening right under their noses, with those tensions ramping up when the old memories started to leak through. I remember getting proper chills when this panel suddenly popped up in part 3.
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    Moose the Cat got a reaction from Snowragnarok in Popular and unpopular Sonic opinions you agree and disagree with!   
    I'm increasingly convinced only way to properly do Sonic right is without the Sega license; the fans understand why they like Sonic more than Sega.
    As in, the premise & cast of Sonic have so much more potential than Sega will ever be willing to realize. Imagine something like Sonic in the hands of the Adventure Time creators. Even the OK KO episode with Sonic & Tails guesting had more ideas than some of the game stories.
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    Moose the Cat got a reaction from simtek34 in Knuckles: friend or foe?   
    For Knuckles and Sonic, it's not "friend or foe" but "friend and foe" — he's a knucklehead. He's a frenemy. They're friends, but they also butt heads on things with their clashing egos. Knuckles is a valuable friend to Sonic because he's an equal; he isn't a sidekick or admirer like Tails and Amy; he isn't struggling with a dark side like Shadow.
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    Moose the Cat got a reaction from Jack-ted in Now that Sonic Boom is now confirmed to be dead, what was your favorite aspects of the sub-series?   
    I pretty much liked all of it. It was the first Sonic show to actually be funny. That's not nothing.
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    Moose the Cat reacted to Plumbers_Helper in Popular and unpopular Sonic opinions you agree and disagree with!   
    As @Wraith said it would be difficult. But I'd personally rather see them try then just ignore them. I didn't like how Tails was handled in Sonic Forces, but that doesn't mean I never want to see Tails ever again out of fear of them getting him wrong.
    I don't trust Sega as a whole, but I do trust certain individuals: Ian Flynn, Evan Stanley, Tyson Hesse, etc. I understand you don't like the Freedom Fighters, that's fine. I personally don't care for Cubot & Orbot, I feel they don't add anything to Eggman or Sonic that wasn't done better with previous lackeys. Scratch & Grounder were pretty goofy characters to begin with, but they still managed capture Sonic on occasion and proved themselves as a threat multiple times when Sonic wasn't around to help. To me Cubot & Orbot are completely superfluous characters, but I'm not going to say they should never make an appearance ever again because I don't like them.
    That just means to me they haven't reached their full potential - and I hope to see that happen someday.
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    Moose the Cat got a reaction from Monkey Destruction Switch in Sonic the Hedgehog Game Ideas   
    The game should continue refining the Boost/Modern levels from Generations and Forces, embracing the on-rail nature of this "3D" Sonic that occasionally switches to the 2D platforming and back again. I

    To supplement the courses with more exploration, the game would feature gigantic "open world" hub maps, separate from the Zones. Unlike previous Sonic hubs, the player does not return to the hub between levels. The Zones progress as they do in Classic. However, the player is free to exit the Zone and return to the hub world at any time, and return when they're ready. The Zones are accessible via Warp Rings, not dissimilar to the Mario 64 paintings, with each level unlocked after its completion.

    The hub world would need to be developed by a dedicated team, working alongside but separate from the level designers. The hub needs to be massive. At least the size of a PUBG/Fortnite map. It is full of interesting terrain, springs, and rings, but no enemies. The point of the hub is to be the "Tony Hawks Pro Skater" park for the Sonic moveset. This is just a giant South Island where you can run around, learn new tricks, find secret gems, and pursue mini-game activities, like a Chao garden. The hub can also be a place to reward the player with aesthetic prizes for completing extra objectives in the level campaign— a Flickie bird bath, or a swirly side for the Pockys and Rickys.

    Lastly, most importantly, it would emphasize multiplayer, both co-op and competitive, both arcade-style drop in / drop out, with modern online capabilities.  
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    Moose the Cat got a reaction from MetalSkulkBane in Movie improved Sonic/Eggman connection   
    Those are examples of Sonic taking the shortest/fastest route to the conclusion of a stress point. He's a forgiving character because it's the choice that's more free of worry. 
    He's forgiving in the sense of he isn't going to go out of his way to mess with you if he doesn't have to (generally speaking; Sonic can often be the aggressor with others, like Knuckles or Silver, but it's always when Sonic feels he's in the defensive spot. He's not one to sucker-punch people like Knuckles does to him in Sonic 3). Eggman and the other villains force his hand. And then Sonic wants to be done with it as soon as possible. 
    With IDW and Mr. Tinker, it's the same. It would be more baggage for Sonic to hold a grudge or try to hold Eggman accountable once it was clear his memory really was wiped; the freer choice was to shrug and say live and let live. This is kind-hearted, but can sometimes be exploited as weakness, as we see with the consequences of IDW.  Eggman's metal virus doesn't mean Sonic was wrong to not execute him when he was Mr. Tinker -- it's not right or wrong, it doesn't matter; he's making the choice to go his own way... 
     
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    Moose the Cat reacted to GrounderSez in Pitch your Sonic fanfic   
    Title : Sonic Adventures
    Media : Game
    Plot: After Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog, Sonic and his friend Tails decided to revisit South Island for old times sake, however something is different. Everything is bigger and more mountainous. And then the Motobug MK.II fired a laser at Sonic. He knew that the Death Egg was being rebuilt. So Sonic and his buddy goes over to Robotnik in this high-speed action packed game.
    TLDR : Sonic and Tails (looking like their AOSTH styles) do Sonic 1 & 2 in a 3D game
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    Moose the Cat reacted to BadBehavior in Pitch your Sonic fanfic   
    Well here's mine for what it's worth
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    Title: Sonic: Scourge of Mobius
    Media written narrative
    Outline  When another Sonic arrives from another dimension, it seems like the usual mundane insanity of Sonic's World in effect. But as The Real Sonic realizes this discovery, the bizarre chain of events could have disastrous consequences not only for Sonic and his friends but also the worlds they protect.
    Basically an alternate Sonic comes, thw twist being that when main Sonic and alt-sonic come into contact, theres a violent metaphysical reaction that makes one weak, both physically and mentally, and the other one having all the power but becoming a total jerkwad who goes back to his own universe to defeat his own Eggman and take over his world. The clue is in the name after all. (Scourge. Eh? Eh?)
    Sonic's friends go off to stop him while Sonic, crippled with the emotional baggage of his counterpart, stays behind. The ending would have involved weak Sonic getting off his butt and making it to the final showdown as both sides have worn each other out. Sonic reaches out to Scourge, understand what he's been through, says "I forgive you", before hugging him, causing another metaphysical reaction that returns Prime Sonic to his normal self and Scourge... is Scourge. He sends the people off, saying that he'll become his own person, even dying himself a different colour, as the gang go back to their own world... but oh no, Eggman has taken over in their absence, and the adventure continues.
    Does it exist? Yes because I wrote it. https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12763214/1/Sonic-Scourge-of-Mobius.
    Yeah it's been dead for a while and thats why I feel comfortable spoiling the whole thing here. It's not a 1 to 1 copypaste from my design document cos it was lost in a computer transfer and I just typed it here from memory.
    Tl;dr  A JoJo referance masquerading as a story. (Steel Ball Run and D4C is where I got the sort of idea from.) Sonic defeats his evil double with the power of empathy.
    And what the hell, how about another one?
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    Title  Sonic: Into the Sonicverse
    Media Maybe a Game
    Outline
    Shenanigens happen, and now there are 3 Sonics: Game/IDW, Archie and Fleetway.
    Each would have 2 partner characters: Game would have Tails & Knuckles, Archie would have Sally and Antoine and Fleetway would have Amy and Shortfuse the Cybernik. The former characters (Tails, Sally, Amy) would be more technical to play while the latter (Knuckles, Antoine, Shortfuse) would be brawler types.
    Each would have a character who communicated with them over a comm. Rouge, Nicole and Tekno respectively.
    Each would even have a set of villains. Game: Eggman, Black Doom, Team Hooligan and Infinite.
    Comic: Eggman + Snively, Ixis Naugus, The Destructix, and Enerjak.
    Fleetway: Robotnik + Grimer, Super Sonic, The Metallix Brotherhood and the Drakon Empire.
    Then it would turn out the REAL villains were a triumvirate of Dr. Zachary, Dr. Finetivus and Dr. Starline (I was gonna have Imperator Ix but who remembers Sonic Chronicles?)
    Due to Dimensional crossover, duplicates of the same person have a risk of self destructing when interacting with each other. (I seem oddly fascinated with this concept.) Hence different versions of Tails, Knuckles etc can't interact with each other. Not even Sonic, who can't touch his other selves. This makes battling Super Sonic extremely difficult.
    It is this effect that makes Enerjak return, when the three versions of Knuckles touch each other, and the infusion of chaos energy and memories of each overwhelm him.
    And smaller character appearances, mostly for gags:
    Scratch & Grounder (AoStH)
    Sonia and Manic (Underground)
    Chris Thorndyke (X)
    Sticks the Badger (Boom)
    Tom Wachowski (Movie)
    Elise (06)
    Shade (just to throw Sonic Chronicles a bone)
    Does it exist? Kinda? https://www.fanfiction.net/s/13515359/1/Sonic-The-Hedgehog-The-Fleetarch-Conundrum
    I came up with it before finding this story, to be fair.
    Tl;dr  It's in the title. Can't get a better TL;DR than that.
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    Moose the Cat got a reaction from Monkey Destruction Switch in Sonic Headcanons   
    "Wait, why isn't Knuckles with the Master Emerald?" is a fun riddle. I have a couple of different headcanons for that one. Here's my favorite one.
    Knuckles doesn't need to physically be there to guard it, because he can instantly teleport to the Master Emerald with Warp Rings (supported by S3K Mushroom Hill Zone, and the Ian Flynn Archie usage of Warp Rings). He can sense the Master Emerald and if it's being disturbed, regardless of where he is; he can see in his mind's eye the shrine from the POV of inside the Emerald when he concentrates. The reason Knuckles is adventuring off Angel Island now is that he's been brought out of his isolationist shell by Sonic. He never had to be sitting beside the Master Emerald all day. He was just being shy!
     
     
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    Moose the Cat got a reaction from Âmesang in The Lara-Su Chronicles and Ken Penders topic - READ PAGE 164, POST 4096   
    He's such a buffoon doofus. 
    If he had real confidence in this story, he'd retell it from the beginning with OCs / humans. 
    Penders M25YL is boring as hell, it's insane. I know he was building some big Infinity War version of his OCs, he thought, but whatever. Reboot your Geoffreys and so on to be HUMANS. 
    And if the story is good, people will say, gee that's cool, wonder what it would've been like in the Archie comics, oh well. Or they'll like it independently of Archie Sonic. This has no chance of that, at all. This requires at least 1, probably 2 or 3, wikipedia articles read before understanding what you're in for and for what perverse reason you'd ever both. 
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    Moose the Cat got a reaction from Iko in Sonic Headcanons   
    "Wait, why isn't Knuckles with the Master Emerald?" is a fun riddle. I have a couple of different headcanons for that one. Here's my favorite one.
    Knuckles doesn't need to physically be there to guard it, because he can instantly teleport to the Master Emerald with Warp Rings (supported by S3K Mushroom Hill Zone, and the Ian Flynn Archie usage of Warp Rings). He can sense the Master Emerald and if it's being disturbed, regardless of where he is; he can see in his mind's eye the shrine from the POV of inside the Emerald when he concentrates. The reason Knuckles is adventuring off Angel Island now is that he's been brought out of his isolationist shell by Sonic. He never had to be sitting beside the Master Emerald all day. He was just being shy!
     
     
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    Moose the Cat got a reaction from goldenchimchar in The Lara-Su Chronicles and Ken Penders topic - READ PAGE 164, POST 4096   
    He's such a buffoon doofus. 
    If he had real confidence in this story, he'd retell it from the beginning with OCs / humans. 
    Penders M25YL is boring as hell, it's insane. I know he was building some big Infinity War version of his OCs, he thought, but whatever. Reboot your Geoffreys and so on to be HUMANS. 
    And if the story is good, people will say, gee that's cool, wonder what it would've been like in the Archie comics, oh well. Or they'll like it independently of Archie Sonic. This has no chance of that, at all. This requires at least 1, probably 2 or 3, wikipedia articles read before understanding what you're in for and for what perverse reason you'd ever both. 
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    Moose the Cat got a reaction from Wraith in Sonic Headcanons   
    "Wait, why isn't Knuckles with the Master Emerald?" is a fun riddle. I have a couple of different headcanons for that one. Here's my favorite one.
    Knuckles doesn't need to physically be there to guard it, because he can instantly teleport to the Master Emerald with Warp Rings (supported by S3K Mushroom Hill Zone, and the Ian Flynn Archie usage of Warp Rings). He can sense the Master Emerald and if it's being disturbed, regardless of where he is; he can see in his mind's eye the shrine from the POV of inside the Emerald when he concentrates. The reason Knuckles is adventuring off Angel Island now is that he's been brought out of his isolationist shell by Sonic. He never had to be sitting beside the Master Emerald all day. He was just being shy!
     
     
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    Moose the Cat got a reaction from Volcan Pacaya in Sonic Headcanons   
    "Wait, why isn't Knuckles with the Master Emerald?" is a fun riddle. I have a couple of different headcanons for that one. Here's my favorite one.
    Knuckles doesn't need to physically be there to guard it, because he can instantly teleport to the Master Emerald with Warp Rings (supported by S3K Mushroom Hill Zone, and the Ian Flynn Archie usage of Warp Rings). He can sense the Master Emerald and if it's being disturbed, regardless of where he is; he can see in his mind's eye the shrine from the POV of inside the Emerald when he concentrates. The reason Knuckles is adventuring off Angel Island now is that he's been brought out of his isolationist shell by Sonic. He never had to be sitting beside the Master Emerald all day. He was just being shy!
     
     
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    Moose the Cat got a reaction from Volcan Pacaya in Popular and unpopular Sonic opinions you agree and disagree with!   
    The next core mainline Sonic game needs to combine the many faces of Sonic into something whole.
    1) Massive open world "hub" world (ie, basically Sonic Utopia fan game). 
    Load the game, this is where you begin. No badniks, just rings and springs and loops and a huge island to run and roll around. The hub world should be similar in scale to Utopia, but with more incentives for the different ways you can play on the island. In one sense, it's like a skate park in the old Tony Hawk games, where you can earn bonus/cool points with different tricks/launching yourself long distances and beating your own records. In another sense, it's a bit like Mario Odyssey's airship or a much more minimalist version of Animal Crossing -- being able to decorate your island and home (a hut like in Sonic Boom, maybe, or the passenger airplane covered in moss embedded into the island).  There's also multiple Chao Gardens, each located near a waterfall or body of water.  2) The levels are accessed via the hub through Warp Rings, like the paintings in SM64. As you complete levels/objectives, your Chaos Power increases and more appear and open up on the island.
    Not all Warp Rings appear until the end; at first it only seems like there's 3. The one you can access by default, and 2 you need to earn more CP to access. But once you gain access to those, more "preview" Warp Rings appear, and so on.  There's a "Most Recent" savestate Warp Ring accessible in front of you from the first seconds in the hub, and always accessible via the Pause Menu.  The Pause Menu doesn't stop the game; it save-states the level and instantly warps you back to the hub world of South Island. If you need to grab a drink or take a leak, Sonic will wait and tap his foot in peace. 3) The levels are consecutive-campaign style -- without returning to the hub world between levels (though, the hub is always just the start button away)
    Your actions impact the hub aesthetically Each level has a hidden "kill count" for badniks/rescue animals. Each time you first save an animal/kill a badnik, they are transported at stage completion to live happily in the hub world, where you can pair them with your Chao.  Total amount of animals in hub = total amount of badniks in game Rings/other collectibles can yield item prizes, like Flickie water slide or bigger totem poles or something idk. Cut-scenes between levels are skippable but always accessible from the Hub menu.  Beating the level unlocks the Warp Ring on the hub.  4) Multiple play styles = multiple campaigns
    After completion, levels can be arranged into "playlists" that can be shared -- arranging the Warp Rings in a specific way -- allowing for varied campaigns or all-boss runs or whatever. But, there's NO MORE combining these into one mega campaign/teams as the default. For a series built on "momentum" modern Sonic has absolutely no sense of that; since SA2 onward, it's jerking you around from one play-style to another without letting you get into a groove on any one of them.  Boost gameplay is its own full campaign. Battle/search is its own full campaign.  2D sidescroller is its own full campaign (although if it's not Mania Team, then drop it; the Boost stages already do plenty of 2D sections) 5) Drop-in/out Multiplayer (Co-op/Competitive)
    The original Sonic games were better co-op experiences than Mario because Sonic & Tails were on screen at the same time. The franchise has always had an arcade feel, in 2D and 3D, but the multiplayer hasn't translated in 3D aside from SA2: Battle (which was beloved!) A second player -- 2P or CPU -- should be able to join in a level anytime, either to help the 1P or race them to the finish.  Split screen for Boost/2D, shared screen for Battle. It allows scaleable difficulty, aimed at accessibility to the least skilled player, and a high ceiling of challenge for the veteran player
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    Moose the Cat got a reaction from UnknownByME in The Lara-Su Chronicles and Ken Penders topic - READ PAGE 164, POST 4096   
    He's such a buffoon doofus. 
    If he had real confidence in this story, he'd retell it from the beginning with OCs / humans. 
    Penders M25YL is boring as hell, it's insane. I know he was building some big Infinity War version of his OCs, he thought, but whatever. Reboot your Geoffreys and so on to be HUMANS. 
    And if the story is good, people will say, gee that's cool, wonder what it would've been like in the Archie comics, oh well. Or they'll like it independently of Archie Sonic. This has no chance of that, at all. This requires at least 1, probably 2 or 3, wikipedia articles read before understanding what you're in for and for what perverse reason you'd ever both. 
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    Moose the Cat got a reaction from Monkey Destruction Switch in The Lara-Su Chronicles and Ken Penders topic - READ PAGE 164, POST 4096   
    He's such a buffoon doofus. 
    If he had real confidence in this story, he'd retell it from the beginning with OCs / humans. 
    Penders M25YL is boring as hell, it's insane. I know he was building some big Infinity War version of his OCs, he thought, but whatever. Reboot your Geoffreys and so on to be HUMANS. 
    And if the story is good, people will say, gee that's cool, wonder what it would've been like in the Archie comics, oh well. Or they'll like it independently of Archie Sonic. This has no chance of that, at all. This requires at least 1, probably 2 or 3, wikipedia articles read before understanding what you're in for and for what perverse reason you'd ever both. 
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