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PaperSonic

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  1. It's still faster than just running, and I believe faster than a barely-charged spin-dash. On many situations you just press it to go faster than you'd go in the older games.
  2. I enjoy Mania a lot, but it is definitely bogged down by a couple of issues. The bosses are probably the biggest. Granted, the Classics had their stinkers (cough, Egg Golem, cough), but many of Mania's are either a waiting game or really gimmicky. I've complained about them before in the subreddit. The final boss is also kinda lame, compared to Sonic 2 and 3. While I don't HATE the Drop-Dash, it felt like too much of a "press this to go fast" button. I prefer the Insta-Shield primarily due to being more Skill-intensive, although I guess removing the control-lock means it isn't that useful in Mania's engine. Ray is fun, albeit completely broken. Mighty, however... easily my least favorite character in Classic Sonic to play as. He feels like Sonic except without the Elemental Shield powers and instead he has the ability to ignore hazards... which isn't that interesting and feels like an easy mode. The bounce could've been cool, but not giving you height from enemies like the Bubble Shield really blows. The story is... low-key kinda bad? Bringing back the cutscenes from 3 is neat but the game kinda misses the point. Most of the time you just get warped around by the Phantom Ruby anyways, so that feeling of cohesion isn't really there. And in terms of stakes, it doesn't feel as grand or epic as 3. I also don't get why from Hydro City you fly to West Side Island... then go via submarine back to Angel Island, just to reach Little Planet. Like, why not just fly there to begin with? And why does Knuckles tag along instead of hauling ass back to make sure the ME is safe? I don't really care much, since gameplay is why I play Sonic, but it still feels undercooked. Probably my biggest issue with the game is its lack of identity. The fanservice and level reuse are the biggest cause, but I feel the game is lacking in memorable moments that are not the result of the game referencing something. Like, when I think of setpieces from the Classics, I think of the Water Slides in Hydro City, Sonic overtaking the camera in Chemical Plant, Knuckles helping you out in Hidden Palace, racing Metal Sonic, Sonic 2's ending, etc. Aspects pf the game that became iconic and are impossible to separate from the game they came from. Memorable moments in Mania are almost always a reference to something else: to Puyo Puyo, to Sonic 2's Death Egg, to Sonic The Fighters, so on and so forth.
  3. I mean, anything is an improvement from Heroes "I love you, let me beat you in Mortal Kombat" or 06 "fuck this Earth, I choose my husbando" Amy. Anyways, I'm glad they toned down the Tsundere schtick, and I feel her crush isn't as downplayed as people say. In Gens he tries hugging him, and in Lost World she almost says she loves him before passing out.
  4. Lost World is an interesting case, since while it does contain 2D, I've never really heard complaints that it particularly overshadows the 3D like in Colors and Forces. Game still has plenty of 3D, and the 2D sections are there generally to demand more precise platforming. The problems with the 2D sections in Lost World come more from the game's flaws (odd controls, reliance on gimmicks, often-frustrating difficulty) being accentuated due to the 2D parts usually asking more from the player. The question I ask though, is: would any of these games be actually BETTER without 2D in it? I figure you'd just get shorter stages, as well as less of them. People say "remove the 2D sections", when I feel simply having a better 2D-to-3D ratio would work fine. I feel Modern levels in Generations have a decent balance, although they could have used a bit more 3D.
  5. I went into playing Adventure 2 with the best of expectations. I bought it during a sale on Steam alongside Generations. Ended up heavily disliking it, and I grow less and less fond of it as time goes on. Needless to say, I ended up playing Generations a ton more.
  6. What do you mean only like three of them??? Galaxy has a ton of 2D sections, and Galaxy 2 has even more of them (there are Galaxies that are almost entirely 2D, like the first one with the Bee Shroom). The most likely reason why those games use 2D is because precision platforming is easier in 2D, and that applies to Sonic as well. I was probably being a bit dickish, and I apologize, but people pretty much do act like "2D sections=bad" and it grinds my gears. I've seen people say "why does Modern Sonic have 2D in Generations if Classic Sonic is already 2D" as if Modern Sonic having 2D actively made his gameplay worse or something. And people get hung up on "Not 3D" and don't want to discuss if there's actually benefits to 2D.
  7. What's weird is that Super Mario Galaxy got re-released for Switch, and literally NOBODY gives a shit about that game having 2D sections. Even when I see "which Mario game is better" debates, nobody says "Galaxy is the worst because it has 2D segments". It's just Sonic fans who have this weird-ass "complaint"
  8. yeah, that's gonna be a disagree for me. Colors' main acts have actual platforming and exploration. Rush and Advance 2 are as boost/hold right-to-win as it gets. Except for the occasional platforming section, which handles like total ass. And Advance 3... is weird. As for Advance 1, that game actually has Classic-style (a.k.a GOOD) level design
  9. People want to play a 3D game, and they don't like 2D sections just because. I've never seen anyone argue they're bad, and when people do their arguments fall flat. Hot take: the Boost games are improved by their 2D sections. 2D allows for precision platforming to be easier than in 3D, multiple routes are easier to implement when you only have one axis to worry about, and it's presumably easier to develop when there's less shit that can go wrong in 2D. I like 3D, but some people seem to act like having 2D sections in and of itself is a cardinal sin, and I don't get it. Like, yeah, SA2 is entirely 3D, but when most of it is a hallway simulator anyways, who gives a shit.
  10. I remember reading that early concept are did not feature Classic Sonic at all, meaning he'd have been a late addition to tie the game with Mania, but never seen a source for that.
  11. I never got why people made such a big deal about the lack of the Emeralds of all things. It just screams "we've run out of things to complain about Forces, but we need to beat that Dead Horse, I guess". Especially since I imagine they must be a pain in the ass to write around. You have these 7 gems of infinite power. This means you have to constantly send characters on McGuffin hunts, but not too many hunts since there's only 7. SA1 is the most obvious offender of this. Or you can have characters pull the Emeralds out of their asses so that by the endgame all 7 are gathered. Meanwhile, their "infinite power" means any plot point can be resolved by "use the Chaos Emeralds". Much like they do with the Master Emerald, they decide to just ignore the Emeralds when convenient.
  12. I love SA1 but that game needs a from-the-ground-up remake to fix its issues. It's just a messy, janky game, and every rerelease just makes it worse.
  13. It's ok. Bought it for cheap, and it was mildly enjoyable and I'm glad I played it. Looks like crap compared to Mania, but as it's fine. The title is its biggest problem- a game called Sonic 4 shouldn't be OK at best. If any game deserves that title, it's Advance. I'll play it any day over Advance 2 or Rush, though. Those games SUCK.
  14. I assure you, I've played Sonic 3 to death- although admittedly I don't play as Tails often, since I'd rather stick to Sonic. When I said Tails was broken, I was mostly speaking form the perspective of a newcomer, who probably is not as good as platforming, doesn't care too much about going fast, and probably doesn't even know how the Insta-Shield works let alone how to properly use it, and is likely not very good at special stages. At the cost of some abilities that require plenty of skill to use correctly, Tails gets the ability to not have to give a shit about platforming. A decent trade-off in a platforming game. Of course, this worked because Tails was meant to be an easy mode. Fast-forward to Adventure, and he's required to beat the game, so I guess they wanted his gameplay to revolve entirely about flight. So it was made faster, and thus, broken. I mean, they could keep him restricted to 2D. I could see him working fine in Classic Sonic's stages. Also, I just finished SRB2, and man... Tails busted. No way I'd beat that game without flying.
  15. I mean, depending on your definition of Broken, he was also in 2D. If all you cared about was beating the game, Tails was busted. He was, after all, the easy mode. You suddenly needed to platform way less. What kept him in check was that playing as intended was way cooler. Tails' slowing down after taking off made him look like a farting bee instead of the sickness of skillfully clearing a section as Sonic. It's why Ray, as fun as he is to play as, is super-busted: he gets both flight AND speed. Similarly, Tails in SA1 went faster in the air than on foot, which is what allowed him to break the levels so spectacularly. Heroes shows that Flight doesn't need to be game-breaking in 3D. Of course, the balance between nerfing flight to the point it's super lame and making it good to the point of shattering the level design is hard.
  16. I forgot to mention it, but of the mainline games I've played, Lost World is easily the hardest.
  17. It's hard for me to say what I consider to be Sonic gameplay, but I think I CAN say what I feel is GOOD sonic gameplay. The best sonic games are the ones that encourage experimentation and mastery of the game mechanics in order to blaze through levels at incredible speeds. Whether via learning the Classic games' physics, abusing Spin Dash jumping in Adventure, or Boosting at the correct times in order to clear a platforming section, my knowledge of the level design and the game mechanics allow me to clear levels effortlessly.
  18. Old thread, but I found this topic interesting. I feel it's a problem in SA2's writing, that they made Eggman look up to Gerald despite it making zero sense for his character. Eggman up to this point was a card-carrying villain through and through. He just built robots and damaged the environment without a hint of complexity. Come SA2, and... honestly, he isn't that much different. He nukes an island, tries to have Sonic killed, threatens to shoot a little girl in the head as well as to destroy the world. And his only motivation is world conquest. At no point does he claim to have an altruistic motive. Not a problem in and of itself; not every villain needs to be sympathetic. But the issue arises in that the writers attempted to add some depth to his character with Gerald, but half-assed it. Like, in the last story, he angsts about Gerald trying to destroy the Earth... despite attempting to nuke a city with children in it last game.
  19. 8-bit Sonic 2 is the hardest, if it counts.
  20. My least favorite character is Shadow- more specifically, Shadow the Hedgehog's version of Shadow. Other characters like Elise, the Zeti, and Dark Gaia suck, but at least they aren't the main character, and don't destroy a previous game's character. For starters, Shadow in his game is dumb. Not "silly Knuckles got tricked by Eggman" dumb, but "his thinking patterns make no sense" dumb. First of all, why are you trusting Black Doom? Even if you ignore his name, he's still a piece of shit invading Earth and seeking the Chaos Emeralds. Also, when he thinks he's a robot, does he do something simple like cutting Onions, seeing if he bleeds, or solving a Captcha puzzle to prove if he's an android? No; instead, he tries to get answers out of Eggman. You know, the evil dude who is a well-known liar. To the surprise of nobody, Eggman claims he built him and Shadow believes him. And let's not even mention that he apparently thinks to ask questions to Eggman, yet not to his best friend, Rouge. As a player character, Shadow fails because of the disconnect between the player and what he does. You do the Dark mission of Hot Shelter to side with Eggman? Too bad, Shadow betrays him and karate-chops him to death. Wanted to say fuck you to Amy and Espio and carry on with your life? Jokes on you, Shadow teams up with them in the Egg Dealer fights. And even from the start of the game, your goals are not the same- Shadow wants to learn about his past, but if you've played SA2 you already know. The game also communicates concepts to the player in a way that increases the disconnect. For instance, we know Black Doom is not to be trusted, because of his name and mannerisms, and we know Shadow is not a Shadow Android because they look nothing like him. Of course, can't forget the "2edgy4school" aspect. Having Shadow say "damn" and talking about sending others to hell is just cringe-inducing. I never cared for Shadow much to begin with, but at least he didn't come across as a total tryhard in SA2. The only good thing about him I'll say is that the mental image of him approving of stealing candies from babies is hilarious, even if that wasn't what that scene was meant to convey.
  21. My two biggest Hot takes probably are: -Mania, while a really fun game, I feel lacks its own identity. I'd never call it "the real Sonic 4" - While I respect Sonic Team Junior for all they've accomplished, Sonic Robo Blast 2 just... is not fun to play. The controls never felt right to me (in particular, Sonic's jump), with simple platforming feeling like a Herculian task; I appreciate the attempt to emulate the Classic games' momentum, but even in those games you have more air control. Lack of the Homing Attack or Insta-Shield makes hitting enemies or monitors a pain. And while I admire how wide and expansive the level design is, I feel it overdoes it, and feels way too busy. I get lost all the time in the game, with next-to-nothing to indicate if you're going the wrong way. And every level is filled to the brim with bottomless pits, making mistakes be more lethal than they should.
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