The Deleter

...you can make 2D sonic wide screen now when you couldn't before, the solution isn't automaticaly 3D

i mean I fully believe that 3d sonic can work but that's not really much of a refutation. that a 3d game would not have a certain problem that 2d games have doesn't mean that going 3d couldn't introduce whole new problems

also thinking about it I'm not sure how much I buy into the argument that 3d can "fix" the problem of seeing things ahead of you. it can help, in some cases, but it also introduces problems with seeing around corners and hills, and smaller objects can be hard to identify from a distance.

@Josh ur dead to me

@Diogenes I know that, it's just the biggest limitation Sonic could ever have to his speed, not being able to see far ahead of himself, is automatically negated by simply being in a 3D space. Obviously with the boost games it's never really mattered, but in a classic-styled game, that amount of foresight would significantly change the way, and ability, players can play in the first place

Enemies can't be simply hopped on and camera issues are a whole other can of worms to open, but the degree of advancement it gives Sonic right out of the gate, in theory... I just don't see why everyone so readily dismisses it as nothing worthwhile in the first place

To be fair, one could argue that 2D Sonic games could eliminate that with an angled 2.5D visuals and slightly curved paths within that 3D space.  The 2.5D Sonic games have dabbled with this but never as a consistent camera angle.

"Hey guys you know you could fix this if you just-"

"No

2D is all we need"

Screw each and every one of you, I'm out >:T

(if the camera angle reacted dynamically with the speed, I could get behind a 2.5D game, tho. Needs to be just as crazy as Unleashed/Wiileashed with its layer hopping, as well; loved that stuff)

The classic games already played with layers so that would probably still be there. It would just be even easier to define with 3D visuals. 

 

So what happens if I shower with it?

Your link takes me nowhere. 

@ShroomZed:

https://news.wsu.edu/2017/04/10/negative-mass-created-at-wsu/

This work?

yes.

So, what happens if we drink it?

@JovahexeonJunkoJoranvexeon I guess it comes back up.

🤢

"Can we have the original formula for Paper Mario back, too?"

Nintendo: 

The complete heelturn makes that perfect

"ey **** you, don't tell us what to do"

This is now canon to the status

Make it so

i'd like to throw out the idea for a new kid icarus for switch if they're doing request

or a port of uprising to the switch

or an update to uprising to actually make the the second analog add on useful

or just mentioning that they remember uprising...
...plz just something...

buying sonic when

everyone who got somewhere with something started out as just a person who liked that thing

you've gotta start somewhere

It's worth a shot, you won't know the result without trying. Worst that can happen is it not being fun and you stop doing it.

Yeah but youtube videos are also forever and I don't want to be amateurishly wrong :T

I do reeeaaally want to try it, though

the best part of any creative medium is that you can always come back later as your leveled-up future self and do a better job the next time. sometimes when I have an off day and make bad looking art for example, I always remind myself that I can always do better next time, and maybe even redraw the bad art later on if it's bothering me enough.

Nah, Zero only has that chicken leg arwing from 2 and that's it.

Zero is a Star Fox 64 2.0 3D.

@Joseph Mello: and 3D space battles/planet dungeons

And Fortuna

And individual rival battles

Along with a whoooole bunch of other stuff, but the problem is, 64 already remixed a lot of SF2 ideas, so it doesn't really appear to be a SF2 remake of that idea on the surface, rather than a 64 rehash.

It's really a combination of them all, tbh. Even Star Fox 1 unique stuff is more prevalent in this than it was in 64.

Classic Sonic still did this better lol 

He's as much of an action hero as modern if not more so I never got this sentiment. 

I agree with this. See status below.

@Josh 

Under ideal circumstances, Modern would do the exact same. Still the first to do it actually in-game, though :Y

I'm really talking about their status as "fastest thing alive", though, not their general athleticism. They're both good in that department imo

Tbh modern never curling up is one of the things I don't like. I think it makes more sense for him to use it to give himself a boost and using his feet when he needs to be more precise than it does literally boosting with his ki energy or whatever

If I had only been playing the classic games I'd downright scoff at the idea that he's the fastest thing alive. The level design rarely ever calls for it. It's great for physics based platforming but for the whole "fastest thing alive" concept it just falls short.

Though, then you have CD's opening cutscene where you clearly see they had that breakneck speed visualized well before the modern games so I think technical limitations had a bigger role to play than anything. I mean, replace the Genesis with a 360 or something back then and who knows what would've happened but that's a completely different topic.

Keep in mind that levels like chemical plant where Sonic moves so fast he leaves the camera behind used to blow people away back in the day. He WAS mindblowingly fast for the time period. 

See that's partially why I think the uncurling mechanic from the two 3D fangames to be such an elegant compromise between the two, imo. When running downhill it makes more sense to curl up into a ball and let the physics do their work, (because even Sonic can't balance running downhill at his all I guess *shrugs*) but as soon as the terrain starts to flatten out, you uncurl to retain the speed you just gained, and even push yourself uphill with the momentum and your own two feet.

It requires more effort than rolling, but at the same time since you can see in front of you in 3D, it's not an unfair task to ask of the player, either

Exactly Josh, but the problem for me is those moments were very few and far between. Even in Sonic 2 which is often considered to be the most linear of the classics. It was great for when the industry began and ended with 2D platformers like Mario where that stop and go could be more pronounced but now (and even back then with that CD cutscene where we saw him moving like that) it's sort of underwhelming for me.

More than any Sonic game released after the classics feel like I'm pulling things off with my own skill so I still lean toward them.

Yeah being able to uncurl from a roll (and that being ideal for flat planes and obviously going uphill) is how I'd handle it.

Based on the map its probably about 6 kingdoms. Unless that map was only a prototype teaser.

There's a map already?!?

... 6 world's would be super disappointing if true, though. :\ 

Source?

The courses are huge and they seem to change a decent amount as you progress, so I won't be too disappointed if there aren't a ton of kingdoms. That said, I hope there's at least one or two we haven't seen any hint of. (At the very least, there's two we've seen little of--the low poly aesthetic / food one and the one that's presumably Cappy's home kingdom--and I'm going to assume we haven't seen the final course yet.)

I must be the only person on the planet who thinks the levels aren't that big, lmao. New Done City is basically the size of Bob om Battlefield, but maybe 2X bigger and more vertical. Everything past that is a drop-off point into the abyss.

I mean they're big, bigger than previous Mario levels for sure, but not that big... Not big enough to justify there only being 6 world's, imo. Else this is going to be a very short game, especially with how easy it is to find these moons...

i think they've said there's more than just the six known kingdoms. looking at the map i can see at least two unlabeled but interesting looking places, specifically

Yeah, in trailers we've seen 6 kingdoms. Two have barely been seen, though. Cap I think is the black and white location (it resembles Cappy) and Cascade has a location called Fossil Falls--probably where the giant T-Rex comes from.

I do hope that Mushroom island is the Mushroom Kingdom. Heck, it'd be amazing if that's the final world of the game.

Ah alright, from what I can tell there are at least 4 more levels guaranteed to happen, if notable landmasses are any indication. One for the unnamed ice continent in the center, one for the continent that looks to have a bottle on the side, one for the islands that appear to form a spray of water, and the unnamed mushroom island, yeah.

So at the very least, 10 levels. That sounds better, but I still hope there's more than that, especially since the map shows one continent can have more than one level if it's big enough, and there's a bunch of nonspecific islands all around.

14 would be really good in the end, and 16 would be absolutely perfect. But 10 is definitely an okay number as either the bare minimum or the end level count. Think I'll go on a media blackout because of that, though, tbh...

I don't think it guarantees 4 more worlds. Considering how big each one is, I think we'll have less than normal.

Well I mean one or two of them could be just basic "map easter eggs", just making neat landmarks for the sake of making the map look "charming", but since the hat, triceratops, and mount volbono are all shaped after their main gimmicks or landmarks, I kinda find it hard to discount them when they follow the pattern like that. Every other smaller, normal island, sure, but not those islands. And those make up the four "guaranteed" continents, as a result. One is shaped like a bottle, one is shaped like a water spray, one is shaped like a mushroom, and the middle one has snowflakes surrounding it's borders.

It's a pretty safe bet, I'd say.

And then we have new donk, steam gardens, and the sand Kingdom all located on nonspecific continents with no shapes to their name, and sharing a continent already, meaning it isn't just the obvious silhouettes and single landmasses that can count for a level.

Buuuut that's squarely in speculation station, so it's best just to expect the obvious 10 and roll with it, tbh.

... I posted that right when the clock hit 12...

So technically 1 day now, but I don't have an image ready for that just yet, tbh :S

I've been hearing about this