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    The Deleter got a reaction from Dr. Mechano in Sonic Live Action Movie Thread (Read OP for topic rules) "Trailer 2 on Page 482)   
    Here's the youtube widescreen version:
     
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    The Deleter got a reaction from DaddlerTheDalek in Sonic Live Action Movie Thread (Read OP for topic rules) "Trailer 2 on Page 482)   
    Here's the youtube widescreen version:
     
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    The Deleter reacted to Polkadi~☆ in Sonic Live Action Movie Thread (Read OP for topic rules) "Trailer 2 on Page 482)   
    So this is the right design and the right trailer, huh?
    Not bad, not bad at all...

     
     
    At least now the movie is A Little Less Bad™ than before, with some stronger character moments with Sonic. Never thought I’d be happy to see Green Hill Zone again, but hey. Still feels kinda like “family-friendly live-action CGI” shlock, much in the vein of Alvin and the Chipmunks, or The Smurfs, or whatever. Not completely off the mark, but certainly not entirely faithful. Still doesn't have that "Sonic soul" in my opinion, as there's nothing to ground the film into the Sonic mythos.
    Honestly, I can live with it. I’m conflicted about actually paying for a ticket or just sneaking in through the backdoor, because I admire the effort gone into producing this film but also do not support the methods behind it that even caused the initial racket. The original design still happened. The story is still a major whatever. Jim Carrey is a terrible Eggman. And I’m still not entirely into it, if I’m perfectly honest.
    All in all, a definite improvement, but not sure how to feel about it.
     
    Additionally, the Japanese version of the trailer has extra scenes (which are alright, I guess), and I certainly like the Japanese poster more for it’s simplicity of just establishing Sonic on his own. The movie quote on that poster implies Jun’ichi Kanemaru’s English quips will return in their dub, judging by the “ノープロブレム!/ NO PROBLEM!” which I am entirely okay with.
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    The Deleter reacted to Blue Blood in Sonic Live Action Movie Thread (Read OP for topic rules) "Trailer 2 on Page 482)   
    I don't think that this film is just for 7 year olds though. It's hitting the family market, inclusive of adults who are franchise fans. Choosing an adult character when Sonic is already "the kid" is the best of two bad choices, IMO. Tom isn't really for anyone in particular. I'm glad that this film isn't using a normal child character.
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    The Deleter got a reaction from DaddlerTheDalek in Sonic Live Action Movie Thread (Read OP for topic rules) "Trailer 2 on Page 482)   
    How does everything Tyson touches turn to gold like this
    How
     
    Also good to see they managed to scale back their own influence on the design even in this form. It looks sooo much better without the nike shoes, jointed/boned limbs, and gloveless hands, it's insane
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    The Deleter got a reaction from CaptainRobo in Sonic Live Action Movie Thread (Read OP for topic rules) "Trailer 2 on Page 482)   
    How does everything Tyson touches turn to gold like this
    How
     
    Also good to see they managed to scale back their own influence on the design even in this form. It looks sooo much better without the nike shoes, jointed/boned limbs, and gloveless hands, it's insane
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    The Deleter got a reaction from Dr Ryan in Sonic Live Action Movie Thread (Read OP for topic rules) "Trailer 2 on Page 482)   
    How does everything Tyson touches turn to gold like this
    How
     
    Also good to see they managed to scale back their own influence on the design even in this form. It looks sooo much better without the nike shoes, jointed/boned limbs, and gloveless hands, it's insane
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    The Deleter got a reaction from MidoChaosHedgehog in Sonic Appears in OK K.O.! (Crossover Episode on August 4th)   
    I'm sorry, I know it's been several pages, and it's an age old argument since the game came out, but
    How is a story with sudden confused, bitter arguing over a lack of communication between the two main characters, plot points that prove no one to be right, drama that could have been removed from the story entirely and the end result would have been the same, all capped off with a "it's cool bro" hand-wave apology at the end... somehow have a story worth telling, or even a "healthy relationship" between Sonic and Tails...
    But a cartoon where an Ego boosted Sonic takes a kid under his wing, a slightly insecure Tails gets begrudgingly jealous and misinterprets the situation, but they both support each other until Tails' insecurity is ultimately invalidated with an earnest and reaffirming heart-to-heart from Sonic... is somehow worthless to the plot, and an unhealthy relationship???

    Honestly I was pretty surprised at how this episode turned out; based off of what I've seen of OK KO, flanderization for the sake of character conflict kinda seemed to be it's shtick episode-to-episode, and with the clip we got I expected them to go all in on the jealousy/ego angle. I was expecting some good references, jokes, and animation here and there, but I wasn't expecting to actually enjoy the characterization as much as I did. The way Sonic is still a good-natured guy with an attitude, but with a side of ego that can misguide his judgement from time-to-time, and Tails behaving more of a sidekick than he's usually portrayed in the main series after Adventure, but his resulting insecurities and friendship with Sonic making him feel more independent and fleshed out simultaneously, and the way the two bounce off each other as a result... I dunno, I just really like it is all. The way KO switched gears to fanboy over Tails at the end, leading to Sonic impatiently yawning when KO uses his "Way past cool" catchphrase to describe Tails... it might be seen as mean-spirited, but that's a pretty neat layer to something that's always been a part of Sonic's character, but never acknowledged in-universe for what it is. Would be kinda cool if it could be explored in other situations entirely, honestly.
    Oh and the Knuckles cameo joke ended me, not gonna lie. If it had just been another "Knuckles got tricked, huh? You don't say..." joke I probably wouldn't have laughed, but the one-two punch of revealing how he got tricked, and their subsequent reactions, it's like they treated it as a subversion of a long-running gag for a series the episode was never a part of, and that's hilarious imo
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    The Deleter got a reaction from tailsBOOM! in Sonic Appears in OK K.O.! (Crossover Episode on August 4th)   
    I'm sorry, I know it's been several pages, and it's an age old argument since the game came out, but
    How is a story with sudden confused, bitter arguing over a lack of communication between the two main characters, plot points that prove no one to be right, drama that could have been removed from the story entirely and the end result would have been the same, all capped off with a "it's cool bro" hand-wave apology at the end... somehow have a story worth telling, or even a "healthy relationship" between Sonic and Tails...
    But a cartoon where an Ego boosted Sonic takes a kid under his wing, a slightly insecure Tails gets begrudgingly jealous and misinterprets the situation, but they both support each other until Tails' insecurity is ultimately invalidated with an earnest and reaffirming heart-to-heart from Sonic... is somehow worthless to the plot, and an unhealthy relationship???

    Honestly I was pretty surprised at how this episode turned out; based off of what I've seen of OK KO, flanderization for the sake of character conflict kinda seemed to be it's shtick episode-to-episode, and with the clip we got I expected them to go all in on the jealousy/ego angle. I was expecting some good references, jokes, and animation here and there, but I wasn't expecting to actually enjoy the characterization as much as I did. The way Sonic is still a good-natured guy with an attitude, but with a side of ego that can misguide his judgement from time-to-time, and Tails behaving more of a sidekick than he's usually portrayed in the main series after Adventure, but his resulting insecurities and friendship with Sonic making him feel more independent and fleshed out simultaneously, and the way the two bounce off each other as a result... I dunno, I just really like it is all. The way KO switched gears to fanboy over Tails at the end, leading to Sonic impatiently yawning when KO uses his "Way past cool" catchphrase to describe Tails... it might be seen as mean-spirited, but that's a pretty neat layer to something that's always been a part of Sonic's character, but never acknowledged in-universe for what it is. Would be kinda cool if it could be explored in other situations entirely, honestly.
    Oh and the Knuckles cameo joke ended me, not gonna lie. If it had just been another "Knuckles got tricked, huh? You don't say..." joke I probably wouldn't have laughed, but the one-two punch of revealing how he got tricked, and their subsequent reactions, it's like they treated it as a subversion of a long-running gag for a series the episode was never a part of, and that's hilarious imo
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    The Deleter reacted to Sean in Sonic Appears in OK K.O.! (Crossover Episode on August 4th)   
    I loved every single moment of that episode. Was not at all expecting them to touch on Tails's backstory either, and the broship between him and Sonic was just great.
    Pleeeeeaaaaase let these guys work on the next Sonic cartoon 🙏
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    The Deleter got a reaction from Dr. Detective Mike in Sonic Appears in OK K.O.! (Crossover Episode on August 4th)   
    I'm sorry, I know it's been several pages, and it's an age old argument since the game came out, but
    How is a story with sudden confused, bitter arguing over a lack of communication between the two main characters, plot points that prove no one to be right, drama that could have been removed from the story entirely and the end result would have been the same, all capped off with a "it's cool bro" hand-wave apology at the end... somehow have a story worth telling, or even a "healthy relationship" between Sonic and Tails...
    But a cartoon where an Ego boosted Sonic takes a kid under his wing, a slightly insecure Tails gets begrudgingly jealous and misinterprets the situation, but they both support each other until Tails' insecurity is ultimately invalidated with an earnest and reaffirming heart-to-heart from Sonic... is somehow worthless to the plot, and an unhealthy relationship???

    Honestly I was pretty surprised at how this episode turned out; based off of what I've seen of OK KO, flanderization for the sake of character conflict kinda seemed to be it's shtick episode-to-episode, and with the clip we got I expected them to go all in on the jealousy/ego angle. I was expecting some good references, jokes, and animation here and there, but I wasn't expecting to actually enjoy the characterization as much as I did. The way Sonic is still a good-natured guy with an attitude, but with a side of ego that can misguide his judgement from time-to-time, and Tails behaving more of a sidekick than he's usually portrayed in the main series after Adventure, but his resulting insecurities and friendship with Sonic making him feel more independent and fleshed out simultaneously, and the way the two bounce off each other as a result... I dunno, I just really like it is all. The way KO switched gears to fanboy over Tails at the end, leading to Sonic impatiently yawning when KO uses his "Way past cool" catchphrase to describe Tails... it might be seen as mean-spirited, but that's a pretty neat layer to something that's always been a part of Sonic's character, but never acknowledged in-universe for what it is. Would be kinda cool if it could be explored in other situations entirely, honestly.
    Oh and the Knuckles cameo joke ended me, not gonna lie. If it had just been another "Knuckles got tricked, huh? You don't say..." joke I probably wouldn't have laughed, but the one-two punch of revealing how he got tricked, and their subsequent reactions, it's like they treated it as a subversion of a long-running gag for a series the episode was never a part of, and that's hilarious imo
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    The Deleter got a reaction from Ryannumber1gamer in Sonic Appears in OK K.O.! (Crossover Episode on August 4th)   
    I'm sorry, I know it's been several pages, and it's an age old argument since the game came out, but
    How is a story with sudden confused, bitter arguing over a lack of communication between the two main characters, plot points that prove no one to be right, drama that could have been removed from the story entirely and the end result would have been the same, all capped off with a "it's cool bro" hand-wave apology at the end... somehow have a story worth telling, or even a "healthy relationship" between Sonic and Tails...
    But a cartoon where an Ego boosted Sonic takes a kid under his wing, a slightly insecure Tails gets begrudgingly jealous and misinterprets the situation, but they both support each other until Tails' insecurity is ultimately invalidated with an earnest and reaffirming heart-to-heart from Sonic... is somehow worthless to the plot, and an unhealthy relationship???

    Honestly I was pretty surprised at how this episode turned out; based off of what I've seen of OK KO, flanderization for the sake of character conflict kinda seemed to be it's shtick episode-to-episode, and with the clip we got I expected them to go all in on the jealousy/ego angle. I was expecting some good references, jokes, and animation here and there, but I wasn't expecting to actually enjoy the characterization as much as I did. The way Sonic is still a good-natured guy with an attitude, but with a side of ego that can misguide his judgement from time-to-time, and Tails behaving more of a sidekick than he's usually portrayed in the main series after Adventure, but his resulting insecurities and friendship with Sonic making him feel more independent and fleshed out simultaneously, and the way the two bounce off each other as a result... I dunno, I just really like it is all. The way KO switched gears to fanboy over Tails at the end, leading to Sonic impatiently yawning when KO uses his "Way past cool" catchphrase to describe Tails... it might be seen as mean-spirited, but that's a pretty neat layer to something that's always been a part of Sonic's character, but never acknowledged in-universe for what it is. Would be kinda cool if it could be explored in other situations entirely, honestly.
    Oh and the Knuckles cameo joke ended me, not gonna lie. If it had just been another "Knuckles got tricked, huh? You don't say..." joke I probably wouldn't have laughed, but the one-two punch of revealing how he got tricked, and their subsequent reactions, it's like they treated it as a subversion of a long-running gag for a series the episode was never a part of, and that's hilarious imo
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    The Deleter reacted to Kuzu in Sonic Appears in OK K.O.! (Crossover Episode on August 4th)   
    Even in a cute crossover like this, we still have to argue about our "ideal" versions of the characters lol. Its never going to end is it.
     
    Anyway, this was very cute and fun which is what I was mainly expecting. I don't watch KO much (though I might change that now), but I can tell the creators truly love the series and respect it's prestige with how many references they packed in. Like goddamn, there's one almost every minute but subtle enough that only long time fans would understand them while still being coherent. 
     
    Sonic & Tails were very fun here, and I feel the difference between how they're written here and how they've been written in the games is just a level of sincerity and the presence of KO kind of enhances that. In the games, they're just kind of going through the motions and reacting to everything with a very dry and lackadaisical attitude and the one time they did try to add some conflict, it fell flat and unconvincing.
     
    Here, it feels much more genuine and reaches a much more satisfying conclusion. The presence of KO means Sonic & Tails have someone else to actually bounce their characters off of, which makes for a much more interesting dynamic. We've seen Sonic & Tails together forever, so it was nice to have somebody included into that dynamic and kind of change it in a way that makes it different. Yes, Tails getting randomly jealous by some new kid is a bit contrived, but the story doesn't reward Tails for his jealousy like it did in Lost World and he doesn't let his jealousy get in the way of doing the right thing, which makes him much more likable here than in Lost World. 
    Sonic...doesn't actually act much different hilariously, it's just that his over inflated ego is compounded by KO fanboying over him, so Sonic himself comes off as less of a joke and more of an actual celebrated hero with status, so of fucking course he'd let it go to his head. It works for me because Sonic is still genuinely heroic even with an inflated ego; he's too full of himself to actually mentor KO properly (and Tails has to pick up his slack), but when the chips were down, he's still a hero (Jumping to save KO despite not knowing how to swim). Things like that make him feel like a flawed but still a righteous hero. He even reassured Tails that he'll always be his partner. 
     
    I know everyone has their own ideals on these characters should be written, but I was really satisfied with this overall.
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    The Deleter reacted to Wraith in Sonic Appears in OK K.O.! (Crossover Episode on August 4th)   
    Tails in this short is insecure about his status as a sidekick in a way that makes sense for where they're trying to take it. Cartoon network shows now are mostly about teaching kids how to deal with  feelings of jealousy and inadequacy. It makes sense that it turns out Tails was worried over nothing once he and Sonic actually talk about it. A simple premise but it has the basic follow-through and resolution that Lost World doesn't. In that game Tails's immature feeling are validated by the story and nothing was done with it despite the longer runtime. 
    I'm pretty satisfied with Tails as a whole in this. I like the subtle characterization with him actually helping KO tangibly several times when Sonic proves to be a lackluster mentor. Sonic having an ego and being a bit of a blowhard is fine with me too. I think he's more interesting that way. 
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    The Deleter got a reaction from Iko in Should Sonic Be Given The Ability To Swim?   
    Not really here to offer any 'best' ideas, as I'd have to sit down and think about it for a lot longer, but maybe instead of sinking or swimming as the games already have done, floating like an actual Hedgehog does could be an option?

    It could pretty much eliminate a lot of players frustrations with the element, (albeit by ignoring the ways it could be improved, of course) while also changing Sonic's dynamic with it to the point of it almost being a movement gimmick; I.e. Falling into the water at a high speed, sinking as far underwater as momentum can allow, then shooting back out like a cup full of air.
    The fail state could simply be floating in the water in the first place, not really allowing room for immediate speed, but still traveling at a pace more enjoyable than being fully submerged, and allowing Sonic to hop out at any given time.
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    The Deleter got a reaction from Sonictrainer in Sonic Live Action Movie Thread (Read OP for topic rules) "Trailer 2 on Page 482)   
    Not to mention that caveat actually lends itself to the premise of the world quite well, in it's own way. Pokemon are supposed to be fantastical monsters of their world, so if a couple of them do look demented, gritty, or animalistic because of the added detail, it's of no detriment to their concept itself when you think about it. It just lends itself to a different contextualization of the same universe, technically.
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    The Deleter got a reaction from KHCast in Sonic Live Action Movie Thread (Read OP for topic rules) "Trailer 2 on Page 482)   
    Not to mention that caveat actually lends itself to the premise of the world quite well, in it's own way. Pokemon are supposed to be fantastical monsters of their world, so if a couple of them do look demented, gritty, or animalistic because of the added detail, it's of no detriment to their concept itself when you think about it. It just lends itself to a different contextualization of the same universe, technically.
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    The Deleter got a reaction from Wordy in Sonic Live Action Movie Thread (Read OP for topic rules) "Trailer 2 on Page 482)   
    Not to mention that caveat actually lends itself to the premise of the world quite well, in it's own way. Pokemon are supposed to be fantastical monsters of their world, so if a couple of them do look demented, gritty, or animalistic because of the added detail, it's of no detriment to their concept itself when you think about it. It just lends itself to a different contextualization of the same universe, technically.
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    The Deleter got a reaction from FFWF in Sonic Live Action Movie Thread (Read OP for topic rules) "Trailer 2 on Page 482)   
    Not to mention that caveat actually lends itself to the premise of the world quite well, in it's own way. Pokemon are supposed to be fantastical monsters of their world, so if a couple of them do look demented, gritty, or animalistic because of the added detail, it's of no detriment to their concept itself when you think about it. It just lends itself to a different contextualization of the same universe, technically.
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    The Deleter got a reaction from lbyrd2 in Sonic Live Action Movie Thread (Read OP for topic rules) "Trailer 2 on Page 482)   
    Not to mention that caveat actually lends itself to the premise of the world quite well, in it's own way. Pokemon are supposed to be fantastical monsters of their world, so if a couple of them do look demented, gritty, or animalistic because of the added detail, it's of no detriment to their concept itself when you think about it. It just lends itself to a different contextualization of the same universe, technically.
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    The Deleter got a reaction from SaturnWolf in Sonic Live Action Movie Thread (Read OP for topic rules) "Trailer 2 on Page 482)   
    Not to mention that caveat actually lends itself to the premise of the world quite well, in it's own way. Pokemon are supposed to be fantastical monsters of their world, so if a couple of them do look demented, gritty, or animalistic because of the added detail, it's of no detriment to their concept itself when you think about it. It just lends itself to a different contextualization of the same universe, technically.
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    The Deleter got a reaction from Palette in Sonic Live Action Movie Thread (Read OP for topic rules) "Trailer 2 on Page 482)   
    Not to mention that caveat actually lends itself to the premise of the world quite well, in it's own way. Pokemon are supposed to be fantastical monsters of their world, so if a couple of them do look demented, gritty, or animalistic because of the added detail, it's of no detriment to their concept itself when you think about it. It just lends itself to a different contextualization of the same universe, technically.
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    The Deleter got a reaction from Tarnish in Sonic Live Action Movie Thread (Read OP for topic rules) "Trailer 2 on Page 482)   
    Not to mention that caveat actually lends itself to the premise of the world quite well, in it's own way. Pokemon are supposed to be fantastical monsters of their world, so if a couple of them do look demented, gritty, or animalistic because of the added detail, it's of no detriment to their concept itself when you think about it. It just lends itself to a different contextualization of the same universe, technically.
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    The Deleter got a reaction from Zaysho in Sonic Live Action Movie Thread (Read OP for topic rules) "Trailer 2 on Page 482)   
    Not to mention that caveat actually lends itself to the premise of the world quite well, in it's own way. Pokemon are supposed to be fantastical monsters of their world, so if a couple of them do look demented, gritty, or animalistic because of the added detail, it's of no detriment to their concept itself when you think about it. It just lends itself to a different contextualization of the same universe, technically.
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    The Deleter got a reaction from Plasme in Team Sonic Racing Overdrive (Part 2 Out Now)   
    Yeah idk, these shorts are all in good fun and the fun to be had with them is great, even the obligatory meme faces, but I got a nagging feeling in the back of my head that this sorta showcases, at least for me, that the cast just doesn't work as well in pantomime situations as they did in Mania Adventures. Not in this animation/storytelling style, at least.
    When one of the Adventures characters stands still for a while, or makes a dorky, scrunched up face, alright, they come off as adorable, it works. When Overdrive characters do the same, it feels somewhat off, dorky in a less endearing way, and kinda hollow in a way. It makes for a much less endearing short where the entire idea is to be endearing, but it also feels like it raises fundamental differences between what the two styles can offer in terms of entertainment.
    It could probably just be the animation and pacing in general, though. The main thing that carries over well is Knuckles' exaggerated expressions, that stuff was all great. They all feel like the only "emotion" that really translate well to these shorts without feeling tepid, in all honestly. Maybe the cast and animation just needs to be a touch more exaggerated or energetic for them to work?
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