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borderline, leaning bad

It certainly is in my book.

That being said, there is stuff to like about it too so it's easy to see why others do enjoy it. Sadly, it is better than the majority of games we got last decade though.

I absolutely love it. Each time I try to contemplate if my love is misplaced, I go back and play it and have a blast all over again. Was getting straight A's in the levels until Rail Canyon too.

I think it's good but there's undeniably a lot of jank in there. If they ever DO remake those three games from that Adventure era, out of the three of them, Heroes is the one that's probably the most in need of a touch up. 

Although, that said, it's also the one I'd be the most excited seeing get revamped. 

Mediocre at best. 

really bad

Not too bad but far from great.

Impeccable 

Heroes has many, many flaws, but I still like it. Some of the most epic Sonic levels and vocal themes come from this game imo.

If the controls weren't so slippery and boss/team battles were more than "mash this button over and over again", it would be one of my favorite Sonic games. 

That's assuming that we don't have last gen or PC ports. RE7 is on PC after all.

Have some faith!

If those Capcom hacks are anything to be believed we are getting PS4/XBO ports too. Which I tend to be believing as the play testst were apparently done on PS4 pro's.

Also I'm on the Resident Evil Ambassadors E-mail list and I was invited to apply for a closed beta test over the weekend and it was stated that the tests would be on Current and next generation consoles. 

They brought back Hiroshi Nishiyama, who was a field art director/artist from Adventure through Heroes. As far as I know, he's the only guy from that era they brought back. Not sure if it was because he was just wanting to work on Sonic again, or if they actively pursued him for...some reason.

Seems like it! At long last we can say goodbye to Mitch McConnell, and not soon enough

Warnock's a win, and Ossoff doesn't seem too far behind. Seems like we might have a chance to finally turn this mess the Republicans have left the USA in around. Though I expect them to obstruct and terrorize as much as they can.

It was dead a month after release.

Does it count as dead if it was never alive to begin with?

What really killed the online was the lack of a spectate/wait feature. You'd have barely a minute to search for a lobby during the countdown, once the race started you got thrown into an empty one instead. So even if there were an active lobby chances are you won't find it.

It's straight-up unfinished and makes you wonder why they even bothered including it.

I was gonna buy this game just for this feature but reading this status update, it'd be pointless. 😢

Welcome to the minority.

it was annoying at times and his acting wasn't that good, but he was honestly my favorite during the adventure era. unlike the other two young male VAs from SA1 & SA2, the Heroes kid actually sounded alive and emotive, and in smaller doses like the voice clips in Battle and Advance 3, he sounded even better.

I'm probably biased tho because Heroes was my first 3D sonic but still

SA1 Tails voice has emotion, just...not scared.

The voices from the Adventure games are still my favorites. 

I really don’t even want to think about it, cuz I’m picturing a mess.

i doubt they'd bother to change anything significant. that would require effort.

The most I'd expect is a better translation of the original scripts, which runs the risk of losing some of the iconic cheesy lines of the original. On the other hand I'm wouldn't beg to have them play up the cheesiness to obnoxious levels either

I dunno if that's true.

They actually still sell those games.

true

Yeah, no. Not even close.

no.

though i also don't believe an adventure remake could work in the adventure formula, so.

You might as well remake sonic 1 and 2 and but give sonic a homing attack

oh wait

No. If it was in it, it would have to be super limited like really hard to build a gauge. It's really too hard.

Both games and styles are fundamentally different from each other. To combine them is to fit a square into a circle hole.

Could the two styles ever be combined into one cohesive gameplay experience? Yeah, I think so. Though, as for an actual remake... eh, probably not.

Moving ahead with an all new project would leave the game open for editing so that the gameplay style has the best chance possible at getting a good footing. You wouldn't need to make the levels any particular way because "Well, that set piece was there in the original so it has to be here too..." or anything like that. Working in an existing framework would just hinder it all from the start. Not to mention piss off Adventure fans in the process.

Yeah. They did the English localization. 

That take is mildly warm at best

Hot like fresh ice cream.

honestly, don't disagree. it's janky, rushed, and unfocused, and it's definitely lesser than stuff like SA2 and the boost games if speedrunning is where your priorities lie. but as a 3D platformer, it's easily head and shoulders above the rest.

Dunno could'nt tell you that one, but my opinion on the game is it's okay but I feel they could have done better it felt like a copy from sonic one.

They were contracted to do a game, they got paid for that, they didn't get any revenue from the sales itself. Like normal contractor work. We can discuss if this is a good system or not, but they did not get screwed over in the way that they did something super uncommon or screwed up, they just got handled in the usual way contractors are handled, no matter the company or industry.

Now, Sega delaying Mania on PC to put Denuvo on it and disguising it as polishing the game from the Mania team, so far that one of the devs called them out, is another story. They screwed them over in that part.

@Thigolf is bang on. There's no evidence that the Mania developers were screwed over our mistreated by SEGA. Contract work is what it is. The system is cynical and could be improved by the contractees, but it's fair and standard. 

I wager the majority of the Mania Team went in knowing in advance and anticipating most of the consequences on taking SEGA's bait. They didn't care if they didn't make money, they're just glad their passion and vision for Sonic could offically be realized. Anyone on the staff who did raise a stink on the circumstances were likely out of the loop and thus never took them for granted.

Now to assume the team still has the desire to try out something like Mania again, that's a fairer reason for uncertainty.

but your avatar's a bunny XD

Being a hero doesn't mean you're a nice guy.

building off what @Kuzu said Shadow has been through the death of a close friend.Used limit less times by all sorts of people before he got his inhibator rings(which is his source of power).Shadow deserves to be angry and do what he wants because Shadow was made to be a Batman

oof

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How bold of you to assume Forces wasn't their only attempt at Adventure theming and that they haven't just spent the last 3 years throwing it all out, again.

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SA1 but not by as much as people often exaggerate.

SA1 hands down.

It still has that 90s cheese to it and because it opted to use newer cutscenes (at the time) to tell its story it comes off as very awkward and stiff with questionable acting. The gameplay itself is ok with a few flaws.

Mario 64 still has that timeless appeal while Sonic is forever trapped in the 90s. It was destined to fail because of that design flaw alone. I could go into more detail but I'm gonna be reviewing the game soon so I don't want to spoil everything.

Super Mario 64.

I'd say SM64 just because it's really boring while SA1 is far more interesting.

They probably gave that pass since Mighty and Ray show so infrequently.

Still, Tails and Knuckles were playable

Do they even count? When I think of idiots complaining about friends I think.l of Cream, the Chaotix, and Big. Complaining about Tails and Knuckles being in a game would be like complaining about Spock and Bones being in a Star Trek movie.

Unbelievably, yes; there were people who didn't know about Mighty and Ray, and complained about shitty friends when Mania Plus was announced.

I mean fortunately they were ridiculed, but still. On a more serious note, at the very least Mania's playable characters don't have the godawful voice acting and piss-poor writing that garnered much of the "Sonic's shitty friends" moniker way back when (even if it steadily became a complaint more localised to the likes of Charmy) 

The thing about Mania is it remembered the moderation needed to add loads of new characters; as in they were optional and if you wanted to just play as Sonic, they weren't shoved down your throat every ten seconds.

Instead of getting too many complaining about shitty friends, Mania Plus instead got a crowd complaining about the lack of female characters.

And it's hilariously bad what this channel came out with.

mania built off of a well-studied and proven-successful style, with the base game characters playing pretty much identically to 3&K, and the dlc characters being based on the same core mechanics. plus if you don't like a character you can just choose not to use them and they'll barely be present in the game; cutscenes are voiceless, textless, and generally minimalistic and the only "forced" character switching comes up in encore mode and even there it's avoidable if you know what you're doing. it's really not much like the games that created such negative opinions of sonic characters in the first place.

Oh gosh that video was so bad

It's pretty obvious people only hate "Sonic's shitty friends" when they are screaming annoying lines, play shittily, or a combination of both.

I can't remember anyone having a problem with Blaze because she plays like a Sonic character and she is written in a non-annoying way. In the middle of the "Sonic's shitty friends" phase, she emerged and everyone liked her.

Barely anyone has been bothered by the existance of the characters, they are just bothered if they are used badly. Which they have been for a large chunk of the franchise. But in the handful of cases where it's not the case, noone cares.

In Mania their presence in the game is optional in every sense. They don't even affect the story in any meaningful capacity aside from that one scene in the tornado. If you want Sonic Mania to be a Sonic only affair it literally can be. It's basically leaning hard into established, inoffensive game design vs taking a bet on something new(Any 3D Sonic game).

The game didn't even bother with any new characters that weren't obvious transformative takes on old ones. The first Sonic to do this...ever, I think? Maybe there's a GBA game or something I'm missing. 

 

The gist is that its classic and people are always going to be more receptive to thr conservative and inoffensive way it utilizes new characters compared to the much more controversial way the 3D games handle them.

@Blue Blood A shame too since I would have loved Amy in Mania, especially if she used her Advance 1 playthrough, though not solely on the notion she is a girl. I realised the pattern that if creative teams make female inclusions solely based on gender balance rather than actual character appeal and potential it tends to SUCK.

At the end of the day I can see WHY there isn't anyway. Classic era Sonic had barely any female characters, and truthfully Mighty and Ray have deserved a turn much longer than Amy, who still at least gets SOME exposure in the modern games. Plus configuring Amy to work with everything in Mania would likely be a lot more convoluted (speaking from experience, if it's like the original games programming wise nearly every object would need to be reconfigured to recognise Amy's attacks as well as the spin ones, which is likely why the Amy fan mod keeps her spin attacks).

@Harkofthewaa

I distinctly remember one reaction video to the original Sonic Mania trailer where someone said "Knuckles is too new for me."

@Plumbers_Helper and @Harkofthewaa

This garbage reaction video where the woman in the red vest says "Knuckles is too future for me" at 1:24. I remember that quote so clearly and found the video by Googling the quote, which only turned up one result which was a post of mine from Retro also citing this video.

The people in the video look like they only ever played the original Mega Drive games. Apart from the guy who won't shut up about Sonic being too slow...

And these are the people Sega are trying to cater to...

People can change their mind sometimes. The way I see it is that while he would like to revisit the original Adventure, he can't really think of how he can expand the formula more for a new game at the moment. And if he's really insistent on wanting to remake SA1, who's stopping him? (Well asides from us)

I mean he can just remake it with a different playstyle all together

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