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    Sonic...otherwise I wouldn't be here, Pokemon, Doctor Who, Kingdom Hearts.
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  1. You know what, this is a genuine curiosity I now have: why didn't Archie put the amount of effort they're currently putting into Riverdale into other TV shows they've had over the years?

    Ever since the Sonic comics began we've had the "Return to Riverdale" and Sabrina TV movies, the Sabrina sitcom, Archie's Weird Mysteries, Sabrina the Animated Series, Sabrina's Secret Life and Sabrina: Secrets of a Teenage Witch.

    Why did none of them get this much attention?

    1. FriendBot


      I guess back then they thought Archie was a niche and now they try to appeal to the general audience?

    2. Your Vest Friend

      Your Vest Friend

      *Sabrina the sitcom didn't get that much attention*

      you're kidding me right

    3. Big Panda

      Big Panda

      Not to the scale that Riverdale got. Sure, it got a tie-in comic series, but they didn't shun all their other titles in favour of it.

    4. Scott


      Trust me, more people are aware of Sabrina's sitcom and cartoon series than Riverdale

    5. Your Vest Friend

      Your Vest Friend

      It was still bloody massive back in its day. It might be because Archie seem to be in financial peril now so they can't afford to focus on that and keep up with their titles. 

    6. Kintor


      Yeah, I've just made similar comments in the Archie thread. Sabrina was a huge hit in the 90s, probably despite Archie. While I think that Archie's efforts with Riverdale are purely desperate, a foolhardy effort to try and modernise the IP and the cost of everything.

    7. Big Panda

      Big Panda

      Sabrina was massive, but I'm pretty sure it did it by itself and not because of Archie's involvement.

      Hell, Sabrina even managed to be just as big a hit here in the UK and the Archie brand is all but completely unknown here.

    8. Your Vest Friend

      Your Vest Friend

      Well, we knew Sugar, Sugar and the 70's Josie cartoon, but that's about it aside from the Sabrina sticom and some of the Sabrina cartoons thereafter. 

    9. Big Panda

      Big Panda

      True, but most wouldn't even have known the three were connected, or that Archie and had a wider existance outside of "that cartoon band that sang that one song".

    10. Your Vest Friend

      Your Vest Friend

      True that. Even I didn't know the Archies were from a long-established comic series when I knew about the song. 

    11. Big Panda

      Big Panda

      Funny story: my mum was familiar with the Sugar Sugar video from when she was growing up, and yet when I started watching Archie's Weird Mysteries she didn't recognise the characters. A little while later she was watching a show about old music where they played a part of the video, and that was when it finally occurred to her who the characters were.

    12. KHCast


      Probably because CW is comic show central and they tend to promote all their franchises. Also the other Archie shows were likely less accessible to different audiences, while this may seem more mainstream and inclusive to multiple groups 

      @Kintor Making progressive and inclusive stories is foolish?

    13. Kintor


      @KHCast What!? Where did you get that from?

      I'm saying that Archie is foolish for risking everything on the gamble that they can update Archie for modern audiences. As an IP Archie has always existed in this weird limbo 40s/50s universe, like that movie Pleasantville except without the pointed social commentary. Changing that formula alienates diehard Archie fans and may catch-on with new audiences.

    14. KHCast


      I wouldn't say it's foolish since it seems to be working though. Clearly 40/50's was more alienating to outside audiences than it was worth. I can't have seen them give us a Archie's Weird Mysteries 2.0 on CW, and see it nearly as popular as it seems to be atm. 

    15. Monkey Destruction Switch

      Monkey Destruction Switch

      @KHCast What are you assuming the worst for? Archie's "modernization" has to do with a lot more than simply their efforts to be inclusive.

    16. KHCast


      It's like FFXV going action RPG, yeah it upsets die hands, but it still retained some fans and gained a sizable new group of people since it was more accessible 

      Modernization usually is done to grab outside core fanbases, and appeal to social changes within media. Being inclusive while not the only factor, is a factor in many instances.

      Clearly they felt something in the past efforts wasn't hitting a chord with outside audiences, so they're trying something new, which personally I don't see problematic(tho I don't read the comics)

    17. Scott


      Riverdale might pay off though. I've gotten a few people at my work interested in it. Everyone I've told about who have watched it, have really enjoyed each episode. 


      But man, as like 1 of the 15 (exaggerated [maybe]) UK hardcore Archie fans, I look like a right loony trying to explain the connections between Archie, Josie and the Pussycats and Sabrina :blink:

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