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  1. My main memory of TSSZ and its overall community was seeing the article about Penders revealing he wanted to make Rotor gay, and the comments section was basically wall-to-wall repugnant homophobia.

    1. The Master

      The Master

      Mine was years ago when TSS did Sonic Relief, TSSZ posted the results of the competition. The comments were very cruel about the winner's work. That person was me. So yeah, never been fond of them since.

    2. Polkadi~☆


      Good ol' unmoderated comment sections. What would we do without your sickening hot takes.

    3. Chili Dawg

      Chili Dawg

      tssz was basically the sonic community's fox news, checks out

    4. Celestia


      I just remember Tristan picking fights with Tyson Hesse and Ian Flynn last year over literally nothing.

      In the latter's case, for those who don't know about what happened: (spoiler'd for length)



      First of all it was TSSZ's mistake in the first place, reposting an out of context quote from years ago about how the FF were outdated...except Ian said it in the context explaining why they were updated for the reboot. This was, of course, left out of the tweet.

      So Ian (understandably) felt the need clarify his actual stance on those characters, and he didn't even reply to or call attention to TSSZ over it. It's worth noting there already was a group of people who seem to legitimately believe Ian hates the FF and secretly wanted them gone. So all in all it made sense for Ian to say something, considering how people online can be.

      Tristan took Ian's statement as an insult somehow(???), going by his response where he said "Ian, I have no idea why you have such disdain for me and for our organization--it feels personal--but I will listen and try to come to terms with you on it, however you'd like." (For the record it seems there was more to that tweet at the end but the discord embed I'm relying on cuts off there, and I think the tweet was deleted even before the total cleanse of the TSSZ account today?)



    5. Polkadi~☆


      So Tristan thought he was worth more than he actually was, is what I'm getting here.

  2. Apparently the Pokemon anime dub has now started editing out the “To be continued” sign at the end of the episodes.


    1. Dr. Detective Mike

      Dr. Detective Mike

      Just in case Ash fucking dies and doesn't come back this time.

  3. Listen to the clams gurgle in the bucket, Plank.

  4. Wait what? I thought the Bad Guys miniseries was coming out around the same time as issue 33, but it’s actually not coming until 2021?

  5. I never noticed before that Antoine doesn’t appear in the prototype SatAM intro.

    Was he not originally in the show?

    1. VisionaryofSUPER


      My guess is that he was an executive decision. It was pretty standard in the 80s and 90s to have complainer characters for the audience to make fun of.

    2. Big Panda

      Big Panda

      Makes me wonder why, if early Archie Sonic was based on proto-SatAM, why Antoine was already there, but Bunnie had to be introduced later.

    3. Chili Dawg

      Chili Dawg

      would have been a much better show then, most likely

    4. Plumbers_Helper


      Antoine was absent from the original intro, but he was in the pilot made for the original intro "Heads or Tails."

      The oddness of early Archie was mostly form miscommunication, it's why Sally was pink despite only having that appearance for the pilot and why Rotor was called "Boomer". In one of the early drafts for the series bible they originally had Antoine British instead of French among many other changes. SatAM was originally going to be goofy like Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog - in fact SatAM was originally going to take place in the same universe as AOSTH. AOSTH would've taken place before Robotnik took over Robotropolis and SatAM would've happened afterwards.

    5. Chili Dawg

      Chili Dawg

      okay that bit bout both shows almost being in the same continuity is mind blowing

    6. Plumbers_Helper
    7. Big Panda

      Big Panda

      I remember hearing about human Sally before.

      I wonder when did that old prototype that we saw concept art for in early StC issues (where Sally was a yellow cat of some kind) come into it.

      Also, coincidentally (or maybe not), the UK broadcasts basically acted as if they were in the same continuity (both shows were initially bundled together as “Sonic the Hegdehog season 1 and season 2”)

    8. Chili Dawg

      Chili Dawg

      i do recall seeing human sally before, but man that page is a treasure trove, thanks!

    9. Plumbers_Helper


      @Big Panda

      It was one of the earliest promotional materials released, it was even shown at Disneyland at one point. SatAM went through so many changes during it's production it's honestly amazing the show came out as good as it did.

  6. Back in the day, Cartoon Network UK actually weren’t afraid to broadcast programming that was aimed at older audiences.

    Before I started getting the channel in my home, there was the AKA Cartoon Network evening block that broadcast old Hanna Barbera shows, including more syphisticated stuff like Space Ghost, and an original show called Cult Toons, which was basically an ancestor to the Youtube Poops of today.

    Then there was the Toonami block, which not only broadcast DBZ, but more obscure, maturer anime shows like Tenchi Muyo and Gundam Wing, which were aired as early as 5pm.

    Then there was stuff like ToonHeads, Home Movies, and that shortlived Baby Blues show.

    God damn, back then, CN UK actually had an element of sophistication to it, the kind which is just completely non-existant on the channel today, with its same limited variety of shows, boring “just cycle through the same few shows over and over” schedules, lack of dedicated blocks, and its unwillingness to show anything that goes just that little bit beyond the child friendly scope.

    1. Lord-Dreamerz


      It wasn't perfect... but I do really miss the 90s & early 2000s CN. They had so much variety back then! It felt closer to their name "cartoon NETWORK!" a real hub to go to where you could just zoneout watching cartoons for ages. I agree there was more series on CN where both adults & kids could enjoy it without it feeling insulting to watch for either age group. They had so many old cartoon series too which was great! Nowadays I don't even watch TV hardly ever because most channels just endlessly repeat the same small handful of junk. I simply download shows & watch what i want online now... I do sometimes miss having a GOOD TV channel to watch however.

  7. Do the Team Sonic Racing shorts fit into game continuity?

  8. There’s a thread I want to post at some point that involves multiple spoiler tags. The only reason I’m holding off is because of what will inevitably happen.

  9. GUN as an overall unit just failed epically in SA2.

    They should have been fully aware that Rouge was infiltrating Eggman’s inner circle, and yet they still treated her as if she was a genuine threat (sending Flying Dog after her, leaving her locked in the vault, etc...)

    One could argue that they were doing it to keep up appearances, so that Eggman didn’t get suspicious, but that nuance completely flew out the window when they basically left her to die.

    1. Diogenes


      isn't it implied she's working for the president, not gun?

    2. Wraith


      Diogenes is correct, and even if she was working for GUN I feel like that her double agent status wouldn't be known to lower ranking soldiers anyway.

    3. JosepHenry


      I always saw Rouge in SA2 as working JUST for the president, not for GUN. Makes more sense even.

    4. Plumbers_Helper


      Yeah, her working for GUN wasn't a thing until Sonic 06, in Sonic Heroes she wonders how the President is doing and is seen again working only for the President in Sonic Battle. The President did order her to work with GUN in Sonic X, where it's elaborated that there was a hidden corrupt section of GUN trying to keep their involvement with Project Shadow a secret. Normally I wouldn't include information from what is clearly a different continuity, but in this case I think it's worth mentioning because Sonic X did include several cut scenes and dialogue originally meant for both Adventure games.

      I just mentioned this in a previous status update oddly enough.

    5. E-122-Psi


      Even if she was, it's kind of easy to handwave anything about GUN since they were clearly working in full blown self preservation mode the whole time, regardless of the possibilities of those around them. They were willing to throw SONIC literally under the bus just to keep Project Shadow from getting out and had previously committed mass genocide, so doing the same to one of their own agents would be child's play for them.

  10. Are signatures still a thing here?

    1. Polkadi~☆


      Indeed they are.

    2. Sean


      I turned them off like a decade ago

    3. Monkey Destruction Switch

      Monkey Destruction Switch

      Yeah. But I turned them off pretty recently and can't say I've missed them. Personally I think this forum's signature requirements are too lax and can easily lead to massively tall signatures. I want to focus on the actual discussion going on, not on people's huge sigs. Which is too bad because I think they're a fun feature in general.

    4. Polkadi~☆


      I've cut down on my signature more and more over time. We don't need big signatures, and I certainly don't need to put everything I like in there.

    5. Big Panda

      Big Panda

      I wondered because I can’t see any signatures anywhere, but the “Avatar and Signature” topic is still a thing.

  11. B1-F53-F31-873-A-46-D3-A270-60-CA93-FC2-

    Michael Gallaghar wrote this story. Does that make it canon?

    1. SBR2


      I say yes.

  12. Whenever I see people talk about their ideal multi-canon Sonic crossover, it usually consists of all of the different Sonic’s meeting up.

    I personally disagree. No, with a crossover like that, I’d much rather it be about one single Sonic teaming up with multiple heroes that appear exclusively in outside continuities.

    Let’s say, for example, IDW did a “Sonic comic crossover event” where the three major Sonic comic canons (IDW, Archie, and Fleetway) crossed over. I personally wouldn’t want it to be a big clusterfuck of three different Sonics and alternate versions of a bunch of other characters.

    Instead, I’d have the IDW versions of Sonic and co merely teaming up with characters who appear exclusively in Archie and StC (who come in from their respective universes), with IDW exclusive characters like Tangle and Whisper being on Sonic’s side for the sake of having a pure IDW rep.

    1. Supah Berry

      Supah Berry

      I figured most people's ideal multi-canon "crossover" is the one where most everyone lives in one canon and there's just one version of every main character, taking practicality out of the equation of course.

    2. Plumbers_Helper


      That does sound cool, but if the IDW writers had permission to use characters from other Sonic media , I'd rather see them adapted into the IDW series proper, rather then in a one time only cross over event.


  13. Blue from Blue’s Clues is a girl.

    1. Snowragnarok


      In fact Periwinkle is the only male of the major animal characters, other than the Purple Kangaroo.

    2. Monkey Destruction Switch

      Monkey Destruction Switch

      Maybe I shouldn't be, but I'm still surprised that this surprises some people.

    3. Kuzu


      I've known this for years...

  14. Pick one


    1. Your Vest Friend

      Your Vest Friend

      20th anniversary logo has a cool use of negative space.

    2. Blue Blood

      Blue Blood

      Are we picking the event and related games, or just the logo?

    3. The Deleter

      The Deleter

      Yeah 20th for me

    4. Big Panda
    5. Blue Blood

      Blue Blood

      It's a really arbitrary and strange thing to choose between... but fine, whatever. In terms of the "big" games, 25th for Mania is obviously the best and 15th for '06 is obviously the worst. I'd put SA2 above Generations, but the two can go either way. 

      As for the celebration, I wasn't even ten years old when Sonic celebrated his 10th birthday, didn't have any platform newer than a Mega Drive and wasn't active in any online communities. Can't really rate it as I wasn't involved. 15th Anniversary was basically just another year for Sonic, but the 15th Anniversary logo was slapped on everything and the best game to come out with that branding was Riders, followed by Rivals. Not the best showing all in all, even if I do really like Riders. The 25th Anniversary had a really cool party with a the most incredible music, but it felt so arbitrary when there were no games released around the anniversary and everything just came so much later. Boom Fire & Ice was the only game that calendar year. The best is obviously the 20th Anniversary. A great year for celebrations. Generations, Classic Sonic and the positive buzz were good enough all on their own, but a special mention goes out to the Generations demo that was launched on Sonic's actual birthday. Good move, SEGA (even if the inevitable data mine screwed over marketing plans). 2011 was a good time to be a Sonic fan. 

      And logos... I really don't have an opinion. They're all fine, I guess? 

  15. Body count of each Eggman:

    Game: 0

    Boom: 0

    AoStH: 0

    StC: 0, or very, very few

    SatAM: a few, probably

    Underground: a few, probably

    Archie (original): hundreds, maybe thousands

    Archie (Eggman incarnation): ∞

    1. Snowragnarok


      Actually, Fleetway Eggman did send a few Badniks, likely with Organic Batteries, into a furnace.

    2. Big Panda

      Big Panda

      @Miragnarok the comic hasn’t been all that consistent with when badniks do and don’t have organic batteries, so that’s debateable.

    3. DanJ86


      His actions in Adventure 2 couldn't possibly have led to no injuries or death. He blew up a whole Island and theirs's bound to be collateral damage from the global panic caused by his message.

    4. Plumbers_Helper


      AOSTH Robotnik did transform Black Beard the Pirate into a robot, by the end of the episode Sonic shreds him into ribbons...does that count? Robotnik took a ways his humanity and free will, but Sonic is the one that destroyed him...does that mean AOSTH Sonic has a body count? Black Beard as a robot still shows up for the Sonic says segment at the end, was he rebuilt? Did this segment chronologically happen earlier in the episode and we, the audience, didn't get to see it until now? Are the Sonic Says segments even canon within the show?


    5. Ellipsis-Ultima


      Adding to what Dan said, there definately would've been a body count when Eggman split the planet during Unleashed.


    1. Blue Blood
    2. Balding Spider

      Balding Spider

      ... Given how "well" Disney has represented gay characters in their films thus far, I'm not holding my breath.

    3. JosepHenry


      Come on the short is freaking harmless.

      Is a small thing.

      Can't we just enjoy things please?

    4. Big Panda

      Big Panda

      @Balding Spider SparkShorts are all independently made films produced by Pixar. Disney has nothing to do with their content beyond streaming it.

    5. Balding Spider
  17. Super Sonic Hedgehogs

    Mario the Brother

    1. Chili Dawg

      Chili Dawg

      cursed thoughts

  18. How do you view the console and handheld versions of Generations from a timeline standpoint?

    Is one non-canon? Did they both happen in some timey-wimey way?

    1. SenEDDtor Missile

      SenEDDtor Missile

      They both created alternate timelines, and one of them is the Classic Sonic from another dimension in Forces, while the other is just the current Sonic grown up.

      /partial joking.

    2. Chili Dawg

      Chili Dawg

      console real handheld fake

  19. Reading the different versions of the game manuals would really help give some hints as to where to place certain games.

    Tell me, is there a place where I can read all the manual stories from different regions if possible?

    1. Plumbers_Helper


      Sonic Retro has the most up-to-date translations of game manuals. All the Mega Drive/Genesis and Master System/Game Gear games have the story sections translated, but character and level descriptions are still mostly untranslated. Some of the level descriptions for Sonic the Hedgehog (16-bit)  8-bit and 16-bit Sonic the Hedgehog 2 and Sonic Chaos were translated in a forum post on the Sonic Retro forums.

      Sonic the Hedgehog 2 (8-bit) and Sonic Chaos Level descriptions
      Sonic the Hedgehog (16-bit) Level descriptions
      Sonic the Hedgehog 2 (16-bit) Level descriptions

      The story for Sonic the Fighters was published in a magazine, so it won't be in the manual section on Sonic Retro, so if you want to read the translation of that game's story you need to go the game's main page: Sonic the Fighters story

      Hear are some additional things you might like to see if you want to try and better understand the narrative of Sonic:

      Chaos Emerald Legend - Originally published in a Japanese Sonic Adventure Strategy Guide, it provides lots of additional information about Knuckles' race that wasn't in the game.

      At the End of the Battle... - Also published in the same strategy guide, it provides better clarity as to how Sonic was able to calm Chaos down. Also explains what Tikal's Prayer means, you know the one that goes "The servers are the 7 Chaos. Chaos is power, power enriched by the heart. The controller is the one that unifies the Chaos."

      The Truth of 50 years ago - Originally published in a Japanese Sonic Adventure 2 Strategy Guide, it takes the form of a report Rouge the Bat gave to the President after the events of Sonic Adventure 2. Provides lots of information about Professor Gerald and Maria that was absent from the game. It also has information that hints that Shadow might not be the original Ultimate Life Form that met Maria, something Rouge hints at in the game itself ("Even your memories might not be real, you know.") and something that Shadow even says during the FinalHazard fight. If you would like additional information on this I'll gladly provide you with additional information on this long held fan theory.

      That's all the information I can think of at the moment, I hope this helps.

    2. Big Panda

      Big Panda

      All but one of the pages in that first link just leads to “There is currently no text in this page”.

    3. Plumbers_Helper


      Yeah, that's weird. I tested it before I posted and it worked then. Clicking "search for this page title" gives you a link to the correct page.

      In any case, you can just search the Sonic Retro wiki for each individual game and find the manual section for each game that way. For example: https://info.sonicretro.org/Sonic_the_Hedgehog_3#Manuals


  20. >Angel Island falls from the sky and lands just yards away from Tails’ house.

    >Tails never mentions it to Sonic.

    >Angel Island falls from the sky again and lands in the same place.

    >Sonic doesn’t notice despite being right next to the crash site.

    ...if an Adventure remake happens, they seriously need to fix this. That’s one hell of a plot point to just straight up ignore.

    1. SenEDDtor Missile

      SenEDDtor Missile

      Angel Island falls from the sky, lands and causes a giant tsunami that washes away Tails' house, Station Square, and Sonic.

      The end.

    2. Supah Berry

      Supah Berry

      All's well that ends well!

    3. Strickerx5


      Honestly, I've always been confused about where the standard land ends and where Angel Island begins in that adventure field.

    4. Chili Dawg

      Chili Dawg

      tails was flying the tornado around station square when it happened

    5. Diogenes


      space in video games is often an abstract thing. station square isn't "really" just a short loop of road between the hotel and town hall plus an inaccessible little lot near the casino, that's just how they streamlined the idea of a city into something manageable and efficient. likewise angel island probably didn't "really" fall directly into Tails' backyard, or even as close to the train station as it appears ingame.

      that said it's still a huge fuckin' island and someone probably should've noticed.


      Honestly, I've always been confused about where the standard land ends and where Angel Island begins in that adventure field.

      the wall right next to the train station, the one that explodes open, that's the side of angel island. everything through that tunnel is angel island, everything opposite it isn't.

    6. Crow the BOOLET

      Crow the BOOLET

      There's a lot of plot oddities in SA in retrospect.

      Like the fact Knuckles trusts Eggman despite the fact he not only has the same thing he suspected to destroy his emerald but also sicking said water blob at him after feeding it a Chaos Emerald. All at once mind you so Knuckles kind of doesn't have an excuse.

      There's a lot more out there like Sonic just letting Eggman get away with doing everything like kidnapping Amy for example. I just can't think of anything else on the top of my head. I really think SA1 needs a bump in both presentation and writing if you ask me.

  21. Let’s settle this:

    Sonic 1, Sonic 2 MD, Sonic 2 GG, SEGASonic, Sonic CD, Sonic Chaos, S3&K.

    Put them in chronological order.

    1. Wraith


      SEGA Sonic the Hedgehog > Sonic 1 > Sonic CD >  Sonic 2 > Sonic 3 >  Sonic 2 GG > Sonic Chaos > Sonic Triple Trouble

    2. Tracker_TD


      SEGASonic, Sonic 1, Sonic CD, Sonic 2, Sonic 3&K, and then I tack all the game gear stuff on the end as miscellaneous adventures Sonic had at some point 

      Excerpt from my Totally Definitive Sonic Timeline:tm:


    3. Big Panda

      Big Panda

      @Tracker_TD so you think the inconsistency with the Chaos Emerald amount should just be ignored?

    4. Tracker_TD


      Yeah. Gameplay takes precedent over logic in those scenarios, it's the same deal with Fighters. Bean's emerald is a novelty toy, sorted. 

    5. Dr. Mechano

      Dr. Mechano

      With the Fighters, I think there are seven Emeralds, but one of them gets duplicated along with your fighter for the mirror match.

    6. Indigo Rush

      Indigo Rush

      Prologue: Sonic is a famous hedgehog along a string of islands; he's athletic, he's cool, he's an air pilot, a literal rockstar in a band and has a ton of fans. Dr Robotnik hates him (and his music).
      SEGASonic: Sonic's first major run-in with Dr Robotnik. Gets captured alongside two other acquaintances and they work together to escape. They take down his fortress and go their separate ways for a time. 
      Sonic 1: Considering this failure a fluke, Robotnik retreats to South Island to move on with his plan to nab the Chaos Emeralds and use their power for his as of now unrealized Death Egg Project. Sonic shows up, notices his little animal friends are being used to power Robotnik's Badniks, and proceeds to whip him good. Robotnik retreats.
      Sonic CD: Twice humiliated by Sonic, and with the Chaos Emeralds out of reach, Robotnik goes to Plan B; to collect the Time Stones on the Miracle Planet to turn it into a mechanical orbital weapon. Sonic shows up as expected, and Robotnik unveils his Sonic robot doppelganger, Metal Sonic. Amy, a fan of Sonic from his rockstar days, stalks him and gets kidnapped instead. Sonic rescues her and frees the Miracle Planet. Metal Sonic is broken and lost on the planet for now.
      Sonic 2: Robotnik, now thrice humiliated, decides to go all in on his Death Egg Project. He instead opts to mine resources from Westside Island (rings, chemicals, oil) to power his weapon. He makes a crappy Sonic robot. Sonic flies in on his airplane and meets Tails, a native. He shows promise as a valuable sidekick and they become fast friends. Sonic collects the Chaos Emeralds in the meantime and discovers he can use their power to turn into Super Sonic. He takes down the Death Egg and cements his friendship with Tails.
      Sonic 3&K: The Death Egg crashlands on the mysterious Angel Island, where Knuckles, the last echidna, guards a powerful source of energy. Robotnik quickly devises a plan to use that source, the Master Emerald, to re-power the Death Egg. He makes a less crappy Sonic robot. Sonic and Tails fly in and are blindsided by Knuckles, tricked by Robotnik. After a big adventure, they discover that Knuckles was duped and they team up to destroy the Death Egg once and for all. Soon after, Sonic scatters the emeralds so Robotnik won't get his grubby hands on them again. 
      Sonic 2 GG: Robotnik, thoroughly done with Sonic's interference, captures Tails as bait and holds him for ransom. He makes a really crappy Sonic robot. Sonic races to rescue Tails, and succeeds.
      Sonic Chaos: Things are starting to get old hat. After finding a signature for the Chaos Emeralds on South Island, Robotnik heads there posthaste to nab as many as he can. After nabbing just one, this somehow triggers a reaction that causes South Island to start sinking into the ocean. He also mechanizes parts of the Green Hill Zone to goad Sonic. Sonic and Tails catch wind of this and head over to correct the issue as soon as possible. They succeed and defeat Robotnik yet again.
      Sonic Generations: After saving South Island once again, Sonic goes for a stroll through the restored Green Hill only to be sucked into a time portal with Tails and get roped into an adventure with their future selves. They make short work of the Eggmen and return home. This may have consequences down the road for the stability of spacetime.
      Sonic Triple Trouble: After breathing a sigh of relief, things quiet down. Robotnik takes advantage of the sense of peace and nabs all of the Chaos Emeralds to power a doomsday weapon. Things go awry when the Emeralds don't work quite the way he anticipates, and they scattered across the planet. While Robotnik was able to find one of them, the rest are missing. He locates Knuckles (freshly confused about all the time paradoxes that went on in the last game) and tells him that Sonic's gone mad with power and is looking for the Emeralds. Meanwhile a greedy bounty hunter named Fang the Sniper has discovered the Emeralds and, acting independently, is keeping the Emeralds for himself in the Special Stage. Sonic and Tails get back to work to wrestle the Emeralds from Fang, knock sense into Knuckles and kick Robotnik in the teeth once again.
      Sonic 3D Flickies Island: Exhausted after everything he's been through, Sonic retreats to Flickies Island to chill with the locals. Except Robotnik's back on his BS and is capturing the small animals and shoving them into his Badniks. We learn that they have magical abilities to travel through Warp Rings, explaining how they can be used as batteries in robots. Sonic rescues them all and sends Robotnik packing. Tails and Knuckles were there for some reason.
      Sonic Mania: It's been a while since Sonic and Robotnik first started butting heads, and the aforementioned consequences of messing with the space-time continuum are knocking at the door. A mysterious purple rock shows up out of nowhere. Robotnik discovers the Phantom Ruby on Angel Island, and tries using it to help create the biggest robot ever, as well as reviving Metal Sonic. Warping all over the planet on some familiar and new territory, Sonic, Tails and Knuckles proceed to take down Robotnik and his Hardboiled Heavies. After a heated battle against Robotnik and the Heavy King, Sonic gets warped into a separate timeline.
      Sonic Forces: Sonic gets warped to a reality where Dr Eggman has taken over the world. He's having none of that and gets to work moving across levels from left to right, and blows up a pretty shoddy version of the Death Egg. Everyone recognizes that the two Sonics are no longer part of the same timeline. After taking down the Eggman Empire, Sonic returns to his timeline.
      Sonic Mania Plus (Encore): While Sonic was missing, Robotnik took advantage of the confusion and captured Sonic's old acquaintances Mighty and Ray. Sonic rescues them and they find out that he's trying to revive his Titanic Monarch project. Meanwhile, the Heavies grab ahold of the Phantom Ruby and use it to warp reality yet again, causing the world to display in strange colors and subtly changing the landscape to trip up Sonic and co. They defeat Robotnik yet again, leave Metal Sonic broken on the Miracle Planet, and the Hardboiled Heavies become a non-threat and Sonic and the rest can finally relax. The team goes off in their separate ways. 
      Sonic 4 E1/E2: Robotnik is absolutely DONE with Sonic's nonsense. Out of patience (and out of funds), he re-uses all of his old machines in his new master plan to re-capture the Miracle Planet, revive his prized Metal Sonic, and destroy Sonic once and for all. Sonic, with Tails soon rejoining him, get to work to beat Robotnik once more. Miracle Planet remains captured inside of a Death Egg mkII shell. 

      I have nothing for Knuckles Chaotix or the two Game Gear Tails games, nor the occasional instance where there are 6 emeralds instead of 7. Sonic 1 can be early canon weirdness, anything after is probably balancing for the shorter nature of the Game Gear games.

    7. Indigo Rush

      Indigo Rush

      what ABOUT Sonic Blast

    8. Diogenes


      1->CD->2 MD->3&K

      the others don't exist

    9. AWild No.1 washed up gamer

      AWild No.1 washed up gamer

      I'd say sonic triple trouble happens after generations, erasing the events of sonic 3k due to time travel and the reason why knuckles is fooled by robotnik, AND meta wise, Why Sega likes to neglect the whole game. They officially become friends at the end of this game then sonic blast happens. Robotnik attempts to build a weaker version of the death egg called the silver castle and gets defeated. Tails is absent from this game so at the same time he's on his own adventures SKY PATROL AND TAILS ADVENTURE. After that, everybody decides to go gokarting for some reason and sonic drift happens.

      @Indigo Rush

    10. Plumbers_Helper



      That's more or less how I feel, but I do think 8-bit Sonic 1 is a unique adventure and not simply a retelling or alternate telling of the first game.

      The Sonic the Hedgehog Technical Files, kind of the internal series bible for Sonic in Japan, mentions that Sonic fought Eggman on South Island twice. Eggman mentions how angry he is that Sonic keeps beating him in the Japanese manual for the 16-bit version of Sonic 1, while this detail is absent in the 8-bit version. The Technical Files also mention Eggman vows revenge on Sonic after losing for the first time, which better gels with Eggman's anger of losing to Sonic in the 16-bit manual then the 8-bit manual where he mentions no such thing.

      Plus, the 8-bit version of Sonic 1 begins with Eggman simply trying to attack Sonic with his Eggmobile, no fancy checker balls, drills or lazers yet. I interpret this as Eggman not being too familiar with Sonic yet, and if we want to even go further with this theory, the Roller badnik in Spring Yard Zone bears a resemblance to Sonic in both appearance and abilities, almost serving as a prototype to the Sonic robots that Eggman would eventually make. The Roller badnik is not in the 8-bit version of the game, leaving the possibility open that Eggman based the badnik on Sonic after previously encountering him.

      Because of all this, I believe it's possible the Master System/Game Gear version of Sonic 1 is a prequel to the Mega Drive/Genesis version of the game. At least it is in my headcannon.

    11. Tracker_TD


      ...that makes a lot of sense! If I ever update my big ol' timeline I might actually go with that. I think I'd keep SEGASonic first though, I dunno.

    12. Big Panda

      Big Panda

      @Tracker_TD perhaps change it to Sonic 1 GG > SEGASonic > Sonic 1 MD.

      Robotnik realises just how much of a nuisance Sonic is from the GG game, so tries to get him out the way in SEGASonic in preparation for his takeover in Sonic 1 MD.

    13. Plumbers_Helper


      Oh, I agree with SEGASonic. Although it's just as possible that it takes place some time latter as a form of revenge, putting it in the beginning of the timeline just works for a variety of reasons.

  22. I wish Sonic 3’s beta surfboard opening was the canon one.

    The Super Sonic opening creates hell for the continuity.

    1. Thigolf



      Sonic keeps the emeralds from Sonic 2.


    2. TheOcelot


      The Angel Island opening in Sonic Mania should have been the surfboard. Would have been an amazing reference.

    3. Big Panda

      Big Panda

      I’ve never cared for that detail to begin with (closing off any potential gap for other games to take place in), but it has other problems too.

      For starters, Sonic still having the emeralds with him after 2 contradicts just about every instance afterward where the emeralds are shown to scatter again after being used.

      Secondly, why would Sonic even bring the emeralds with him? Wouldn’t it make more sense to hide them somewhere?

    4. Dr. Mechano

      Dr. Mechano

      Well, wait.


      We used the Emeralds multiple time in Sonic 2 and they didn't scatter.


      I'm also not sure we've ever seen the Emeralds just fly off and scatter in-game, have we? Maybe Sonic just lets them go when he's done with them?

    5. Sean


      Don't worry about it

    6. shdowhunt60


      Okay, so maybe he went looking after the Chaos Emeralds after Sonic 2 in between games then. Maybe he just wanted to have Super Sonic at the offhand chance Eggman started shit. There you go.

      Versus the surfboard ending, how is that supposed to be better? Are Sonic and Tails both surfboarding? If not, why did Sonic alone go to Angel Island, versus Tails making an Emerald radar telling them to go to Angel Island? Also, you can't really just surfboard to a place, that's not really how that works.

    7. Tornado


      For starters, Sonic still having the emeralds with him after 2 contradicts just about every instance afterward where the emeralds are shown to scatter again after being used.





    8. Celestia



      Secondly, why would Sonic even bring the emeralds with him? Wouldn’t it make more sense to hide them somewhere?

      Well...you can turn this on it's head: he kind of learns this lesson immediately when Sonic 3 begins.

      The possibility that someone could steal all the Emeralds from him at once might explain why he always sends them away afterwards anyway (nothing has ever suggested that it always happens automatically, as far as I remember).

    9. Indigo Rush

      Indigo Rush

      S2 ends with Super Sonic and plane

      S3 begins with Super Sonic and plane

      wouldn't exactly call it hell for the continuity 

    10. Supah Berry

      Supah Berry

      Sonic had the emeralds scattered away in Sonic 1 because he used them to make a big "Dragon Ball" wish to make South Island go back to normal. Plus, those were only six emeralds, if he had all seven then maybe they could've restored the island without them.


      Also, I rather not take away what makes the rival's introduction so epic by establishing something stronger than the emeralds.

    11. Big Panda

      Big Panda

      Guess I need to face the facts; Sonic 2 leads straight into Sonic 3 and there’s no wiggleroom for anything else to have happened.

      Time to rethink my internal timeline!

    12. Indigo Rush

      Indigo Rush

      If it's Sonic CD you're trying to place, we had a pretty good discussion a few years back if you want to use it to help shape your internal timeline! 


    13. Big Panda

      Big Panda

      Oh it’s not CD I’m thinking of. It’s those those pesky Sonic 2 GG and Sonic Chaos and their lack of a seventh Chaos Emerald.

  23. Eat Barnacle Chips, they’re delicious.

    1. Emperor Robrainiac

      Emperor Robrainiac

      They most certainly are not delicious!

    2. Chili Dawg

      Chili Dawg

      not the way i use 'em

  24. >worries that one of his favourite Youtubers might be fatphobic


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