Big Panda

There's something called a /joke/, you know... :/

Spindash, not cool.

SA1-Heroes Dub Eggman: Dead man.

Oh come on, so he's not allowed to make a joke now?

Doesn't make it any less distasteful

He's not allowed to make an offensive shock jock joke, no.

Yeah, it's about time I pointed out there's been tons of offensive jokes on this very message board you all've been happy to guffaw about?

*you've all

*looks at homem*

.-.

Well it kinda helps that Homem is actually funny

and if he offends anyone he sends apology pms

Actually, I think Homem's jokes have a tendency to be too tasteless for my liking.

so if i killed a person well and painlessly and sent their family apology letters, i'd be a hit

cool story bro

Oh hey, I'm not alone.

Thanks, Komo

What the hell? Telling an offensive joke isn't comparable to murdering someone you numpty.

Theres a difference between mocking the dead and telling jokes.

*looks at abortion and necrophilia jokes plastered all around the board*

._.

well well well

finding yet another excuse to defend homem our lord and savior eh

I'm just speaking up for my friend. Besides, leave your jealousy of Homem's popularity out of this. Spindash, you crossed the line a bit, but eh, mistakes are made. Can guy... turn 10.

I'm just speaking up for my friend. Besides, leave your jealousy of Homem's popularity out of this. Spindash, you crossed the line a bit, but eh, mistakes are made. Can guy... turn 10.

Jealous?! Oh, I'm not jealous in the slightest. The only gripe I have about Homem's popularity is that it's /undeserved/. I honestly find no astronomical difference in his repertoire of jokes and that joke just now... So because that popular guy's allegedly funny, everyone jumps in on a bandwagon to adore and worship him, while Spin gets flac for a similar act? Really, if you're going to go "what the hell" to a Joe who makes offensive jokes... Please, do the sa...

...me to the Elvises.

ok

can we please just stop

i get it, i fucked up bad, i'm sorry

can we leave it at that please

It's okay, Spindash. Don't feel bad or anything. Moving swiftly on now...

...i give up.

Being eaten alive, being shoved into a grinder feet first, being pecked to death by birds...

falling from an plane.

swim to the surface

lol which one

WHICH. ONE.

Pooping yourself to death.

This is pretty grim way to go.

Getting a disease that slowly rots your insides.

Bonus points if it begins with dick rot.

From what I've read, being sucked into a black hole.

ass fulla bullet ants

Right after winning the lottery.

Oh, that death from the mummy with the scarab. Yeah that looks pretty damn painful 

The second or third death shown in this public information film that was aimed at kids. 

@Speederino Not being able to poop!

@Ferno I saw Passengers a few days ago. It's really good.

@Forte-Metallix if one got sucked into the black hole torso first they'd probably spend their last living seconds very happy

Death by snu snu

I heard crucifixion sucks

Being tickled.

I mean, if it's enough that you die as a result, that would be some shit.

Choking to death.

Playing Sonic Boom: Rise of Lyric...for 24 hours.

Falling to your death, a sudden fatal heart attack or being crushed to death. 

Having your ass ripped out and get beaten by it to death.

(lel Pinky can go fuck himself, stupid charging demon fuck)

I think the worst ones I heard of was called the Iron cow method. Basically, you get shoved in an iron cow, and get slow cooked. It burns your skin off completely first, and then graudually cooks you to death. I was taught this in school...

I think getting your head shoved up your mothers vagina is worse tho. 

Immolation.

Irony.

ah the brazen bull is pretty brutal, yeah

Wooden Horse.

Wait seriously...?

Yeah, I'm with Edd on this. I think you might wanna get a doc on the phone since if it's a big vessel it could cause a lot of damage.

@SenEDDtor Missile Didn't anyone tell you the last bloody thing you should do in an emergency is panic 

I passing this along to mum and she doesn't think it's anything to worry about.

I would go to the doctor just to be sure. Alway better to be safe than sorry.

Go to the doctor ASAP to get a proper medical assessment.

Yeah, go to the doctor. Make sure this isn't serious.

I sure hope it isn't...

My advice, seek medical attention right away.

Agree, get your local doctor and hope it’s nothing too bad.

Get better.

I can only echo what everyone else has said, better safe than sorry.

I do agree with everyone else.

Even if you think it's not serious, it's still blood flowing out of place and worth checking before it evolves into something serious.

I should say to clarify that it's your own choice to get examination of you believe it is serious enough, I would do so myself.

Not much I can say that isn't aping everyone else.

Got a paramedic out. I'm absolutely fine.

That's a relief! Glad you're okay!

That’s a relief.

Glad to hear it, thanks for taking our advice, even if it turned out to be nothing in the end.

I would definitely get it checked out as soon as possible if you haven’t done so already. Our health is just one of those things you shouldn’t take chances on as it is better to be safe than sorry amid uncertainty. Just too many things can go wrong by one simple thing abnormally happening within our bodies.

Hope it’s nothing serious and you’ll be okay. 

Whoa man, glad to hear you're ok. I wouldn't take something like that lightly in the future.

Glad you're okay. Things like blood vessels rupturing need to be taken seriously as you might not know the true extent of the damage without a professional examining it.

Okay I really need to refresh pages before making replies to important statuses like this...In my defense I wanted to express my concern for you right away as the situation seemed urgent enough.

I totally missed the message that you were okay and I was going to send you a PM to see how you were doing. Was checking my email notifications this morning and context-wise learned that you were okay. Glad and relieved to hear that.

You just never know with these things with our health so it’s better to be overly cautious as opposed to nonchalant any day to possibly avoid and prevent serious problems.

I appreciate the concern, thanks guys. I honestly wasn't expecting this sort of response when I made the status to begin with.

What happened was I'd been coughing really badly over the last few days, and last night I coughed so hard that I made myself throw up, within which there was an eggcup's worth of a bright red substance that I could only assume was blood (I hadn't eaten anything red that day), after which the back of my head felt sore.

The paramedic confirmed that I had simply burst a minor blood vessel in my throat and there was no cause for alarm.

I've had this cough for quite a while however, so I'm going for a chest x-ray later this week.

Glad you're fine at the very least. I've been to too many hospital and clinic visits recently for my liking, so I'm glad things won't come to this for you.

What can I say? Issues and rifts aside we’re like family here as we care and make it a point to show concern when the time calls for it often. The majority of the responses here I think really reinforces this.

Glad it was nothing serious. I guess have an automatic paranoia when it comes to blood vessels bursting as I had one and a tumor developed on my right hand as a result last year. Thankfully it was benign but to say I was terrified is a severe understatement.  

But you’re okay (with the blood vessel at least. Hope you can get that cough cleared up soon) and that is what is most important here ?

Just seeing this now, happy it ended up being nothing in the long run, but still it was good to check and be sure that it was nothing huge. 

I do hope that cough leaves soon. Having a violent cough is the worst and if it was enough to cause this in the first place, that can't be very pleasant. Just take good care of yourself and try to relax.

ORAS was nearly three years ago tbf

Pokemon fans? Am I right?

@Boomer still feels incredibly recent to me

To compare: the gap between FRLG and HGSS was 5 years, and the gap between HGSS and ORAS was 4 years.

People who are expecting remakes of Gen 4 don't understand the logistics behind the previous remakes. They've only done remakes to cover up backwards compatibility issues

Didn't Sun/Moon have Gen 4 references that were as blatant as the Gen 3 references in X&Y?

I see it as what they did with gen 4

Base pair

Third version

THEN remakes

In this case the "third" version comes in a pair

The remakes have been 2004 -> 2009 / '10 -> 2014.

So yeah, maybe in 2019.

@Rusty Spy

That is a good point, but at this point I wouldn't even be surprised they remake DP anyway for the money

@Dejimon11 Type: Null/Silvally says hi

So @TCB you know I said "Blatant" right? Besides the type null stuff I'm sure there was more that I'm forgetting

@Celestia 2019 you say?

Between September 24th or November 26th of that year calling it two years from now

I don't think you can't get any more blatant than Type:Null/Silvally as far as Gen 4 references in SuMo goes.

@Dejimon11 yes, just like how Diamond and Pearl had a lot of Johto references, but they didn't rush HGSS out.

@Rusty Spy that's a really good point I didn't consider before. For all we know, Nintendo might think, because this generation will most likely continue to be on 3DS, then there's no point in Sinnoh remakes because the original Sinnoh games can still be played on the system.

In which case, we'll be waiting until a generation that's on a new handheld that lacks original DS support.

@Ernest-Panda "generation that's on a new handheld that lacks original DS support."

Like...

;D

don't like you would love t see this scene in HD

@TCB yes. But we probably wouldn't get a core series title on the Switch until Gen 8.

The same amount of time will have passed between ORAS and this November as the gap between HGSS and ORAS. This could have easily been the year to do it. Also, wasn't that whole Pokemon Bank system made to carry over Pokemon across different versions?

I mean, I'm still not really complaining because now the gen 4 remake has a chance of being anything higher than 240p(ish) but a lot of signs were pointing to it being for this year. This was supposed to be the one Nintendo franchise that we could actually predict releases from guys... DX

Man we haven't been able to predict what the hell is going on with Pokemon ever since Black 2 & White 2.

Yeah we could! Black and White 2 were the "third version" of that generation. Then we got a rema- ...well we got a new gen after that but that's one abnormality! Then we had the third version of X&Y being Pokemon z... fuck ive been living a lie of false security.

We're still due for a remake though.

@Dejimon11That's because people didn't learn after B2W2 to not expect the same type of third version like Platinum. XY was kind of a fluke since it didn't get ANY re-release, but by the time Sun and Moon rolled around, anyone seriously thinking they'd do something like a Stars version were being willfully naive.

Are we really due for a remake when ORAS wasn't that long ago and the remakes are always on new systems

(I know there's the Switch but I'm still extremely skeptical they'll move onto that for the main Pokemon games)

@CelestiaTimewise yes. And I still do not understand this hesitancy for a Pokemon game on the Switch. A handheld hybrid console should have meant that Game Freak could have had all the utilities of an actual system without breaking their sacred handheld only philosophy... but nah

(Almost?) all their experience has been on handhelds so I can understand sticking to 'em.

I won't completely write off the possibility but mostly it's because I don't think the Switch and anything that follows it will actually be replacing handhelds. lol

FRLG came out 2004, HGSS came out in 2009/10 ORAS came out in 2014. I'd say we should be due for the Gen 4 remakes in...2019 if they're going for the 5 year route. 

BBT is a weird one for me. Or it makes laugh till I knock myself unconsious or makes me cringe to death.

Humour is subjective.

Personally I find it an absolute dreck of a show that has done so much harm to people with autism.

@Boomer those are the type of jokes that make me feel empty inside.

I enjoy watching it too when its on. I don't get the hate it receives.

@Boomer I was just about to say!

If I had a nickel for every time my mom's said "Come on you should watch it, one of the characters has Aspergers!".

Nah, just a different one from many people on the internet.

@Depression Kong

Yep. I have Aspergers too. Being compared to someone as much of a dick as Sheldon is far from complimentary.

Watched only the first few minutes of one episodes and I already disliked the show.

How is it offensive to people with autism? (I have aspergers and have no problem with it)

Makes a bunch of the traits and symptoms out to be laughable and the butt of jokes. Plus the aforementioned comparison to Sheldon, who is a narcissistic ass.

Seconded, I fail to have any issue with the show being an autist myself.

Then again, I also have no issue using autism as an insult myself, so whatever.

I think they do too much explaining on jokes that its pretty unfunny.

Plus, the show tries too hard to invoke the "references are funny" idea.

@PaddyFancy Boomer and Depression Kong summed up the brunt of it, but there's also a lot of people like myself who don't like the overuse of the laugh track and find the show's style of humor to be super shallow (both of which would be issues even if we could somehow surgically remove the unfortunate implications of stuff like Sheldon's characterization from the show).

And I mean, I am a neuroatypical mentally ill person, but I don't mind characters with a mental illness or a spectrum disorder getting involved in the comedy. The perfect angel savant depiction is also damaging in its own way by implicitly degrading anybody who isn't like that (which is... basically everybody. Even somebody who is a genius isn't perfect.) and there's way too many ways for the inspirationally disadvantaged depiction to turn from encouraging to condescending, so in some ways I actually prefer shows to get everybody involved in the comedy. That and unfortunately, there are douchebags in real life and some of them happen to have a spectrum disorder or mental illness. The thing that bothers me is that too many shows use these things as a character trait when its more of an attribute-- using autism as a personality trait is like defining a character's personality as "girl" or "black" in that it doesn't make sense at best and is super insulting at worst.

@Ernest-Panda, to answer your question, some people see Sheldon as a character who has autism as a personality trait, which is insulting because he very frequently acts like a pompous jerk with the implication that he can't help it because he's autistic. IRL, as you probably know, autistics can accidentally come off as rude or dismissive because of their bluntness, but that's usually unintentional and agreed not to be an excuse for poor behavior, as all autistics can learn how to recognize when they've accidentally hurt others' feelings and learn how not to in the future. A better way to go about it IMO would be to have Sheldon be a character who is a pompous jerk who also happens to have autism, while making it clear that autism doesn't justify or cause his jerk moments.

To be fair it isn’t like Sheldon is the only representetive of aspergers/autism in the show. One could argue that Leonard, Raj, or even Stuart have certain aspergic traits, and they’re nothing like Sheldon.

>hey come watch our show we make references to things you like!

Then some dialogue like this would happen

"Penny I'd like to go for lunch but Sheldon and I are playing D&D at 1"

*laughtrack intensifies*

@Boomer yeeeaaah... no offence, but that’s the kind of scenario that I’ve heard sooooo many BBT haters use as an example of their humour, and I, to this day, do not see where they’re coming from. There is referential humour, yes, but it’s nowhere near as overused as people make it out to be.

@Ernest-Panda You'll have heard it so many times as it's what many people take from the show. I used to watch it myself, my dad still does, but it gradually pissed me off over time. Now I can't stand the show.

*shrugs* fair enough

Ed Edd n Eddy is the story of three adolescent drug addicts scamming the locals for cash to get their next fix of jawbreakers, Kevin is the local drug dealer taking expired inventory from his Dad’s job, Ed’s parents essentially broke him like a dog so he would never snap back and kill them for their negligence and abuse and the Kankers are G-rate Sex Offenders who are the end result of a broken home with their mother’s failed three marriages and likely lack of understanding of what a healthy relationship looks like.

@SenEDDtor Missile I said facts

I am confuzzled.

Recess is the story of 6 delinquents who constantly makes the principals and playground supervisors lives a living hell, toppling statues, organising unlawful and dangerous protests on an old, soon-to-be-demolished piece of playground equipment that topples the thing down, playing so-called "harmless" pranks on teachers and fellow pupils, feigning illness, sneaking in off-limits areas, etc.

Tommy did nothing to avoid Rita's spell, and could easily have got out of the way before she fired it. Thus, Tommy chose to become evil.

Spongebob is a braindead manchild who works with a depressed co-worker in a dead end job with no future.

The original voice of Disney’s Peter Pan died aged 31 from heart failure caused by alcoholism. He disappeared one day, and his rotting corpse was discovered in an abandoned building by two kids.

Dora's gonna find her way, avoid swiper, and be alright in the end regardless if you actually talk to the tv or not

@Ferno You're doing it wrong

Winnie the Pooh is Pro-Trump

Those molester Woody memes take a new turn with what John Lassender did.

Ren & Stimpy... well it was beloved by a lot of people. But even long before John K was busted, you can still tell the guy's an asshole.

What do Miss Honey from Matilda and Mr Bergstrom from “Lisa’s Substitute” have in common?

Sonic SatAM is about child soldiers who have normalized their struggle against tyranny.

Even if they win, they still lose because they never got a proper education as kids, don’t know how to function in a society that isn’t dysfunctional and brutal anymore, possibly have a long list of psychological issues that have been inadequately addressed for a long time, and don’t have a whole lot of family and friends who can help them by providing a roof over their heads and stuff like that. Plus the friends and family they lost are never coming back and they know it.

Their future post-Robotnik is likely to be vagrancy, crime, or some combination of the two.

Dexter’s Lab shouldn’t fit in the house.

The Powerpuff Girls will never be able to do a variety of different things because their hands are stubs

Grandma didn’t get hit by Santa Claus nor did she get hit with a reindeer

Garfield has no reason to hate mondays. He’s a cat with no job.

@Mad Convoy And then worthless nationalistic assholes will treat them like dirt despite all their sacrifices while mewling about their own supposed patriotism.

Patrick would've gotten Spongebob killed through sheer stupidity years ago

Clouds are not solid matter. All the Care Bears would fall from a great height higher than any skyscraper and die.

See that blue-clothed guy in the Wiggles?

He struggled with worsening severe depression that left him sobbing off-stage, feeling utterly worthless, and wanting to kill himself. For a long time performing on stage was the only thing that made him remotely happy, and even then his happiness dissolved the moment his performance was over.

Anybody you know could be facing the same struggles he did. Even the people that seem relentlessly positive and happy. Especially the people that seem relentlessly positive and happy.

Blue Wiggle fortunately got help and spoke out about what happened, but many people with depression don’t and it took him a very long time to get the help he needed. They just suffer in silence for years and/or kill themselves.

So remember kids, your friends and family could be suffering at any moment from something you can’t see or defeat while convincing everybody that they’re very happy, at least up until they can’t take it anymore and suddenly shift their choices. The happiness of people you care about and perceive as successful might be just a saccharine lie. Sweet dreams!

The Lion King 2019 exists. That does enough damage to the original.

Its more like video games are cursed

"I TOLD you they've wasted those two slot"

It's more like the world isn't homogeneous in its views on homsexuality and Japan is very different to UK and the West in general. Persona speaks of wilful ignorance, and the DQ composer is a hack. You just have to separate the art from the artist. People are always going to disagree and, sad though it is, people are allowed to be homophobic etc.

Seperating the art from the artist is impossible. It comes down to whether you actually care if you're supporting these people with your dollar or not. 

With video games being big collaborative efforts it's essentially impossible to make sure none of your money is going toward a racist, sexist, homophobe etc. Still I won't lie and say learning about key figures behind the art or seeing these ideas in the art in Persona's case doesn't give me pause. I don't really feel comfortable supporting the Persona IP anymore until Atlus has it's act together just because it got kind of overt and gross about it in a way I think is disrespectful. 

Oh I agree. You have to wonder really if ATLUS is saying "Yeah we stand for homophobia", and if they're not saying, that then why they're putting their name on products that say it.

Yknow the sad but kinda funny thing? The gay character in Persona 4 dancing, as basic and cliche as you could get for a gay stereotype he was, had some actual charm and personality that made him just feel like a guy that happened to be gay and owned that fabulousness with no shame. Still a stereotype, but at least he was fun. The persona 4 subset is weird cause they get so close to having decent lgbt representation, but then shoot themselves in the foot in one way or another 

It's a different culture. You can't expect everyone to agree with your views anyway.

If the views of the person affect you that much, don't buy their product.

I also live in a culture similar to Japan when it comes to the views of homosexuality so I suppose I might not understand how you feel in this situation so I apologise if my words were too harsh. 

Japan has a culture, sure. Persona is a product that is now produced and released within a global market. 

And then you have Kanji Tatsumi, who really muddles up the Persona 4 situation. From my point of view, he’s very much a bisexual. But it’s all in the eye of the beholder, as questions regarding his sexuality is never answered, and left to interpretation.

Also, I wouldn’t say Persona 5 is filled to the brim with sexism, homophobia, transphobia, and all that... After all, you even meet a drag queen/trans woman (never explained, it just is) owning a bar, who is someone that genuinely cares about your safety for hanging around a red light district, as well as playing emotional support to one of your confidants, and her work pays you better than all other jobs (but that’s rather superficial here).

Finishing off that I believe that statement is a lie, that’s as far as I’ll go talking about that. The two gay sexual predators are unfortunate, but their screentime is thankfully under a minute to the total 100 hours of gameplay. But all this to say Hashino still isn’t a good person, I just don’t think the game ended up too affected by his views.

@DiamondX Still find it ridiculous that it has to be considered a “view” or “political” topic, the idea of treating people different from you in who they wanna love with respect vs something to be mocked and joked at, but I digress 

@Polkadi~♪ Uhhh, it’s more than once the gay sex predators show up. Not to mention, they still are there. Doesn’t matter that it’s brief. It makes it clear what they find acceptable and “funny”.And then there’s the whole controversy of there not still being male x male romance options in a game series that has romance as a selling point. Also Ryuji’s a creep like all the past protag best friend characters from 3+

Even if all cultures were to accept it, you would still have people with different opinions on it.

You can't force someone to think the way you want to about something.

Just my opinion...

You can't force them, but you sure can call them out for being bigoted 

A game that does the same lame gay predators joke would be bad enough on it's own, but the game also features relationships between adult women and the high school aged protagonist, framed as romantic and desirable and not "creepy." I can't help but wonder why that is.  

That along with the fanservice and queer baiting makes a game about outcasts overturing the status quo of society for the sake of the downtrodden come off as...kinda tone-deaf at the best of times. 

I was really disappointed with Persona 5's writing on the whole though so my perspective is a bit different. Even looking past these issues I didn't have a lot of fun with the story/characters so it's hard to "turn my brain off" so to speak. 

@DiamondX No you clearly can’t, but it’s still imo a sentiment we as a society can do without. We’re all humans with differences. Do we really need, for example, some people killing gay people in concentration camps because they don’t understand how falling in love works when it’s the same sex? If you don’t like it fine, but just keep it to yourself? I don’t openly hate on someone for liking a food, or movie, etc. I don’t. It’s elementary school level teachings here. I don’t get how society makes this such a “complicated” issue.

"Being shitty people is just in their culture so let's just let them be shitty people" yeah okay sure

@Wraith Doesn’t help that 3 & 4 also had these problems(the P3 guys making fun of a trans women, Yosuke’s homophobia and teasing Kanji, etc.) , so just further highlights Atlus’s complacencies and what they think people will be fine with.

4 doesn't bother me as much as 5. Even if you dont consider the 9 year gap between games Yosuke's behavior isn't treated as acceptable and Chie/other characters reinforce Kanji being fine the way he is. 

Yosuke honestly felt like a realistic portrayal of a boy who's insecure about that kind of thing. Doesn't mean you had to like him, but yeah. 

The problem with 4 for me is they almost immediately ignore the actual discussion at hand after Kanji’s story segment/level, and even go as far to lay on thick the heteronormative side, with him doubling down at times on him not “being like that” and his continued interest on Naoto. Heck, even the later games that include the 4 gang never bring up that part of his character in any meaningful way. 

Regarding Yosuke’s constant bad jokes about the whole deal, eh, that’s a fair consideration, but given the history with how the “humor” in the series on these topics is presented, I don’t feel as if the intention was to make Yosuke come off insecure about anything. The previous game had the boys ridicule a trans person, so I doubt, especially given the era 4 was released in, they grew a sudden  conscience and wanted to make a statement with the way Yosuke heckled Kanji. I think they just thought it was funny and gave it the thumbs up.

Dataminers discovered Yosuke had a romance route that was removed from the final game. That pretty much changed my entire reading of the character, but since it's not actually IN the game then it's valid to just think the jokes are uncomfortable.

I think if anything, the fact the data was there and then removed, leaving the jokes intact, makes it all the more discomforting and blatant what kind of message they wanted presented end of the day vs if they never had that intended or created 

None. I could probably count more characters that were previously taken away from their OG creators and placed within the hands of a new set of owners who didn't know how to handle the product greatly because they lack the correct mindset of the real original creator. Unless proper successors are carefully chosen, otherwise I feel most characters/series should be left alone to the past instead of being dragged around by new owners most of which likely don't have the best intentions for it.

The most obvious answer to me is Ken Penders' cast of characters. 

I’m going to be controversial and say Harry Potter. JK Rowling seems to be doing anything in her power to make the series collapse in on itself, and I wish it would stop.

adding onto what i was saying before. i think it can be quite disturbing when outsiders think they have more of a right to something then the creators themselves do. Never put it pass certain "fans" to feel entitled to other people's stuff.

There's creators out there that have a good conceptual idea, but does not know how to bring out the potential, either through lack of ability, or skill.

This is exactly why I mentioned Ken Penders as my key example. On a conceptual level, quite a few of his characters are alright. However, Penders does not have even remotely the writing chops to make them work, and will often lead into godawful writing tropes that make characters look atrociously bad.

Under Penders' writing, not only was his cast either unlikable, Mary-Sues, or somewhere in between, but he affected the SEGA cast heavily to push them, even to this day, where he keeps pulling sly references to them to prop his cast up (The most infamous of which being when he claimed that Geoffrey St. John took Sally Acorn's virginity - I.E - an adult sleeping with an underage character).

Fans aren't entitled to a creation, but they are entitled to an opinion in regards to that creation, and it can be often times infuriating to see your favourite creations ruined and destroyed by a writer who doesn't understand the appeal to them - which yes - this can happen to the creator of said characters. Fans are entitled to judge, criticise, and discuss writing and characters, and being the creator of said writing/character doesn't automatically mean it can be shut down with "I made them!!".

Ian Flynn took these characters and made them likeable, gave them flaws, and wasn't afraid to call out their questionable actions. Locke went from a scumbag who never got called out for his shitty actions to a deeply flawed man who gave up his own life to save his son and make up for his past sins, for just one key example. 

Hell, in Penders' own "masterpiece" - M25YL - even he destroyed his own characters that he originally created. Julie-Su - as much as a mary-sue as she was - was originally written as a tomboy action girl who didn't take shit from people, a very proactive character.

In M25YL, she underwent serious chickification (as TVTropes would put it) -  she began wearing more girly outfits, underwent a redesign to make her more feminine in general, had little to no agency as a character (Letting Knuckles/Lara go at it in arguments while just making a few comments, forgiving a sister who mentally abused her for years - and who didn't show any signs of redemption), and lost all character traits that essentially made her Julie-Su. Of course fans have a right to call this type of shit out, that's essentially killing a character by making them into something totally different.

So yeah, I have no issues whatsoever saying Penders shouldn't have his cast of characters. He can't write them well at all, usually ends up making them look awful as characters, and makes them frustrating to watch. 

Sonic.

Rayman because Ubi forgot about him

*cough!anyKonamilegacyfranchiseCough!*

F Zero. Give it to SEGA since it was one of their (defunt) teams who made the best and last game in the series. If it came to Sonic becoming Nintendo property, they should trade F Zero for him.

All Rare IPs. Less about the series getting taken away by their creators and more about the creators getting out of Microsoft and bringing them back to the rest of the old staff at Playtonic.

I'm giving Namco another chance if the remaster thing comes to be, but till then, Klonoa.

@Ryannumber1gamer Other higher skilled creators who can make better use of other folks stuff isn't justification for thinking stuff should be stolen away and be given to somebody else just because fans like them more.  It is a different story when a franchise was made for a company, because those are group effort projects to start with and not really owned by any single person. I may not think folk like Ken Penders is a good creator either, but i wouldn't support having his ideas getting took away. however his stuff is heavily based on other people stuff AKA Sonic so how much he owns his ideas is fairly gray and could be up for debate.

But point is as a creator myself I try to see this from a creator's point of view, and when i imagine the mere idea of somebody suggesting higher skilled creators should be given my characters... oh THAT makes my blood boil.

I feel like Astro Boy improved outside of Tezuka's penmanship. I dislike the original manga. Though obviously that actually happened so I have retrospect.

I feel weird about wishing anything be displaced from it's current writers. I find that incredibly hard to judge. They could probably retool their own work and are more likely to do so while remaining "faithful".

As far as I know all the "bad" additions to the Harry Potter series happened outside JK Rowling's penmanship. (Harry Potter and The Cursed Child and any supplementing stories and material)

Otherwise she writes stupid stuff on Twitter at 3 Am with no thought put into it.

But yeah, she probably shouldn't write another "Harry Potter" at least, that story is finished.

Every Butch Hartman thing.

Wait @Original Character didn't Rowling write Cursed Child? I know for a fact she wrote the Fantastic Beast films too, and I've heard nothing but meh (first one) and horrible (second one) things.

Looked it up, it's "co-written" by her. I think Jack Thorne is the main writer.

Fantastic Beasts, well it's it's a different story I guess... I suppose it could still be criticised for "rubbing against" the main stories. But I'm not sure I would bother with that too hard.

I have trouble separating a IP from their creator IE harry potter IS JK Rowling's shitty world building, plotting and politics. It always was that in the end even back when I liked it more. Probably wouldn't be salvagable without making new characters anyway. 

Every creator/corperation has shitty politics,agenda and shady practices though. They're all greedy, wealthy elites who like looking "woke".

Shady Mega-corperations sell us movies where shady mega-corperations are the villians and millionaire CEOs make bank when their underlings write a stories about how not everything is money.

I do wonder though, in way. How would people even feel about authors retooling their own series?

I feel people would be more lenient if a licencee or new owner retooled it, and would be more likely to accept it's own thing rather than an intended replacement, and constantly comparing it to, the original.

Star Wars...for the SECOND time.

Oh yeah Disney should not have Star Wars.

It will not matter whatsoever, they find a way to make it worse than the last creator.

Ho hoh, yes sir... They'll always find a way...

Sonic kicks a fucking conch and causes six character stereotypes to attack everything and cause the end of the world

A kindly doctor is trying to raise a water type pokemon but the blue prick bullies it and pushes it to destroy a city.

Sonic beats up a doctor for buying him a new pair of shoes.

When Sonic is called into the troubled world of Camelot from legend, he immediately sets out on a quest to slay King Arthur.

This one isn't even twisted.

Eggman decides to turn a new leaf and give everyone an awesome amusement park - in fucking space - and aliens are welcome too! But angry Sonic and brat fox Tails destroy it out of jealousy, set to slander Eggman and his good efforts.

Sonic continually kidnaps Eggman's date.

The Good Doctor invites Sonic to a party he's setting up in three days.

Sonic gathers up a gang of twelve people to go there and murder Eggman.

Sonic steals the doctor's kid robot and turns it against him. Sadly, Sonic blows him up in the end too.

Eggman and king heavy were playing ruby ball until sonic came along and beats the crap out of both of them. 

A mild mannered doctor creates a young robot as his new son but sadly couldn't obey so he set him out to be adopted by a better family.

Unfortunetly, a bunch of sick anthros physically abuse the robot and train him to fight and kill opponents eventually turning on its creator. 

Noticing Sonic's rejection of Amy, the doctor feels bad for her and builds a robot that looks just like Sonic, BUT, will give her the time of day, his first action even being hugging her.

Sonic destroys the robot, kidnaps Amy and kicks Eggman's ass for all his troubles.

Hard Mode: Don't use positive or negative pronouns to describe characters.

When Eggman becomes stranded in a new land, he works together with a local native to defend against foreign invaders.

Eggman was trying to protect himself from six evil demons until sonic comes along and punts the device he was using to control them away. 

Oh wait..

A Good Doctor wants to awake a poor mystical beast from it's slumber, but an bratty rodent wants to stop him and keep the poor beast asleep.

The fun is lost when you actually call Eggman good and Sonic bad... 

Sorry, I lost the Hard Mode reply.

Ahem.

A scientist creates a pet lizard for his granddaughter, but then Sonic kills him

Also to prove that he is better than the lizard, Shadow helps to kill it

A super fast hedgehog on two feet invites his old colleagues to a kart racing tournament but cheats when he doesn't use his kart.

Tails finds some islands and decides to harass an old lady and some animals.

Sonic beats up all of his friends, just to get some chaos emeralds.

Local fox slaughters a colony of birds.

Some Aliens come to Earth, looking for something to eat. Shadow denies them entry and kills their entire race.

Sonic finds a helpless robot and uses it as a punching bag.

Sonic and tails leave a dying planet encased in a metal shell and go in about their daily lives.

*on

Jurassic Bark

Sonic Chronicles

Sarah Lyne

Sonic Mania 

Tears of joy count, right?  

Up's Opening

crying puppies

Mania's delayed.

Trump's President

sonic 4

Sonic Stadium

Loud onions.

i'm alive 

Color Splash

Mania Cancelled.

Sonic 06

onion layers

Mustard gas

Odyssey cancelled

Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix: Harry has to take orders from a Phoenix

Crank: One and a half hours of people starting engines.

The Lion King: A lion becomes a king.

Batman Forever: Batman becomes immortal.

Rush Hour : Chris Tucker and Jackie Chan spend two hours stuck in traffic.

The Phantom Menace: A ghost decides to menace a neighborhood after reading too many Beano issues.

Moulin Rouge: A French film about one man working at a red mill.

Mad Max Fury Road: Someone named Max is angry. The road is also angry.

Jaws: Nothing but the insides of people's mouths during their trips to the dentist.

You Only Live Twice: James Bond can't count for shit.

The Muppets Take Manhattan: All the Muppets pick up Manhattan and take it away.

Back to the Future: The main character decides to turn their back to the future and focus on the here and now.

The Wind Rises: A movie about tornadoes.

The Rescuers Down Under: A documentary about tampons.

......

Can we all agree that Tara won?

Star Wars: A War about Stars

127 Hours: A real-time filming of an empty movie set accompanied by a countdown timer lasting 127 hours of screentime.

Monsters Inc: Monsters making ink

We don't know exactly what this entails though while experienced. It could be a very peaceful feeling for all we know. 

So I already have a very bad fear of death and you are not helping. >:(

Thanks. I will not go to sleep tonight.

Thanks for that information.

I never wanted to know that.

I hope nobody clicks that link. I know that I will not. Also sorry if I come across harsh.

I think you guys are jumping the gun just a little. 

I did. I was slightly curious. Now I hope I don't remember it.

I just clicked it.

I am now in a state of panic, and my existential crisis came back in full force.

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It says that it may be similar to the consciousness experienced while asleep. This is why I believe it may a more peaceful/pleasant sensation then one may think. It may feel like falling asleep in the way that you don't remember doing it, except now forever. 

It's just a freaky thought. Combine that with a natural fear, it's generally expected that we don't like that.

So like, can you compare it to that medicine that they give you before you have surgery?

@Booblur99 Honestly that was what was coming to my mind. I don't know if it would be like that tbh. 

@ShroomZed Your avatar didn't take this news too well I see. Lol.

I don't really know how to help out with this kind of stuff, but if it was painful you guys I'm sure the survivors would have told about the experience from their first-hand experience. From what it sounds like it's just... a state of being.

If it's about the implications, though, I dunno how to help out there...

what does that even mean? if you're conscious, that sounds like you're still dying, not dead. what's "dead" even mean if you can be conscious during it?

@Diogenes: Clinical Death is when the heart stops beating and your body stops breathing. The actual death of the brain happens 20 to 30 seconds afterwards.

The article is about consciousness remaining and remembering events around it up to 3 minutes after death, according to the tests and studies, with no signs of traceable brain activity for the entire duration. So technically, they are as "dead" as we can define it so far. Just because consciousness remains doesn't mean that definition is bucked, really...

Now unto the quest for being immortal now.

Well I normally wake up at around 10am, and sometimes up to 12pm if I oversleep. Then again, I'm no working man.

Because my cats love to wake me up at 6 am now.

I kind of enjoy waking up early now. You can do so much things in the morning without being bothered.

I work in the evenings and typically get up at 5am to exercise but yeah, where I live most businesses open between 6am and 8am so having to be up at 6am is kind of a necessity.

Those people are weird that I don't associate with them

7PM is the right time to wake up

To me the earliest one can wake up without being elderly, having an early job shift, or being insane is 7am.

my shift is at 9am every weekday, but every now and then i do have to come in at 6am if the opener in my department is on vacation

gotta obtain that green eagle money yo

6am is a perfectly reasonable time to get up. Assuming your work/school day starts at 8 or 9am, getting up at 6am gives you ample time to do things before you go out. 

If I’m up before 9 AM I am both dysfunctional and in a bad mood as I’m very nocturnal. I woke up at 4:00 this morning as I had a 5 AM shift for training and haven’t had a nap so you do the math lol. 

I wake up at 8am. No earlier unless my daughter is sick and crying. I have no reason to wake up before then.

I often wake up at around 5am.

I wake up between 9am and 10am these days since I no longer work the graveyard shift. Plus I am a bit of a night-owl anyway.

Even before I had a job, I was a morning person and merely liked waking up early. I used to wake up at 6 AM all the time, until my job got me used to waking up around 8-9 am lol

5:30am here, not even American. 

You people are all crazy!

Are you any saner than us? 

hey if i didnt have bills to pay id be up at noon or later every single day and be 100% nocturnal

Sleeping in doesn’t get the bills paid except on the nights that I close.

As I prefer to work all nights I got to do to be able to do this grown up thing called “living on my own”. It’s rough and overrated and expensive lol. 

What kind of job are you working that makes 5-6am seem so weird?

Heck, my old job was 4:30am, this is a lie-in in comparison. 

However not a lot of people have boomerang....so you still win....crap

Yeah, all 187 000 people who actually bother to watch that channel

I forgot it existed until members here started talking about it cause sonic

Even that is debatable when US Boomerang is now essentially becoming the Con's metaphorical trash can.

Your Boomerang airs stuff from CN's back catalogue doesn't it?

There's gonna be an online streaming service for that, making the channel even more pointless.

...ah.

It airs older shows really late at night and sprinkles the same damn Looney Tunes and Tom and Jerry shorts throughout the day, but for the most part the station is where shows that weren't immediately popular go to die.  As well as copious amounts of Gumball, Teen Titans Go, and PPG2016.

If you looked at our Boomerang without any prior context as to what the channel is or was in other parts of the world, you'd be forgiven for thinking it was just another kids channel with no connection whatsoever to CN.

Also our Boomerang doesn't even have Boom anymore. It made its UK debut on the channel, aired on it for a few months and then disappeared completely, all before your Boom airings moved to the channel at all.

As of now, Boom doesn't air on UK TV at all.

Boom's an odd one, because it was extremely successful over here, even managing to beat out Wabbit and Be Cool Scooby Doo in their premiere months IIRC

Yeah, seems like Boom might have a good chance of surviving for another season if the ratings it's getting on Boomerang stay in that range.

I don't think we even had the entirety of season 1 air on TV here. Instead we just got what was left on DVD.

Also I don't think Boom S2 hasn't aired in the UK, has it?

I know it just started airing in France a few weeks ago so yeah.

I want those DVDs so bad

We did have the entire series air I think. I remember recording them on Sky as they came out. 

@Soni

Hasn't aired here yet, but it did take til June for Season 1 to air.

I don't recall ever seeing the Shadow one on TV.

Still, they decided to air every episode out of order for some reason, so it may have aired earlier and I didn't notice.

Actually, I think how the episodes aired in the UK is going by the production numbers.

Wasn't it confirmed that the UK is getting boom season 2? The date isn't mentioned though.

A loooooooong time ago, UK Boomerang was a good companion to Cartoon Network as in that it played the older cartoons (usually from the HB library) while CN played the newer Cartoon Cartoons. It even had Danger Mouse. Now its the same stuff on a loop [some Mr Bean cartoon even though they did put the live action version, Tom & Jerry, Scooby Doo, some secondary cartoons] and no way of knowing what episode you are watched on the rare time they put something new, not as extreme as Teen Titans Go on a loop though. Similar thing to Cartoon Network actually and why I haven't watched them for years (excluding the brief time regarding Wabbit). Oh and their on demand service is very half hearted (when Sky had their free box sets offer, they only had the 1st 20 episodes of Batman: Brave and the Bold and a very few shows).

It also has some poor marketing for shows that aren't Adventure Time or Regular Show. Like I watched the first 20 episodes of Wabbit and enjoyed but then it repeated the series on a loop and logically stopped watching, didn't know a Season 2 came out since I thought they only aired the first 20 instead of 52 of the first season and whatsever for Season 2. I didn't know Boom and Justice League Action aired on those channels, especially the latter as I would have watched it.

Knuckles has to be the Gym teacher. Tails could be engineering or wood work, maybe just regular science. Dr. Eggman has to teach world domination.

Infinite wanted to be a gym coach but he was deemed too weak.

half the cast would be gym teachers

Vector would be swim coach, Espio would be philosophical studies, Charmy would not be a teacher. 

Vanilla would probably be the Home Economics teacher.

Vanilla wouldn't even be asked to be a teacher based on her treatment for the past 13 years. :/

Rouge would be Sex Ed...

Or alternatively a geology teacher.

Shadow would teach History. Cause history is dark

I seriously doubt any of these characters would be asked to be teachers. It’s all hypothetical based on skills and personality. I think that’s the only relevance I think that matters here.

That said and unrealism aside, I’m going to have some fun with this. Almost all that I thought about has been brought up. If I was to add something I could see Cream and Amy being art teachers or even guidance counselors.

I could see Sonic being a gym teacher too and definitely being both the gymnastics and track coach ?

Blaze strikes me as the tough as nails English teacher who is not having your shit today.

Silver is the dorky teacher the school gets to fill in and tries too hard to be cool. lol

@Mightyray Silver can take mathematics. That hasn't been said yet right?

I was making light of how she keeps getting snubbed for gatherings you'd think they'd invite her to, even though she's still mentioned. 

I'd imagine she would be busy around the house.

Don't think anyone has mentioned Silver with maths yet @PaulyBFromDa303 so you're good.

Sonic wouldn't be a teacher and if he was, he'll be that cool geography teacher who goes on field trips. Since Sonic is an environmentalist, at least in his early days and travels the world. Tails would be a science and a IT teacher with Eggman being the other science teacher and is the strict one. Amy is easily fashion. Oddly I see Knuckles being more of a gardener rather than a gym/PE teacher (unless it is Boom Knuckles). Sure he's strong but he also does digging and a lot of looking after things. Vector is a music teacher but more of a college/university type rather than the traditional one. Shadow and Infinite are drama teachers.

Silver would be a physics teacher considering his ability but for some reason he doesn't fit in despite his knowledge.

Cream would teach kindergarten and cheese....

What would cheese teach?

Metal sonic= robotics

Shadow=history

Omega would be a Drill sergeant.

@Dangerous ball tower engin cheese is the teachers pet. Literally XD

rats cook your food that you pay a load of money for.

Lion's kill each other in a power struggle that makes a kingdom dry up and die.

A woman is abducted by a monster and develops irreversible stockholm syndrome.

Little girl takes one hell of a mushroom trip.

Two sisters harbour an escaped fugitive.

They've been made to be played with, but when your not looking, they invade your world to deal with personal matters. They can see eeeeeeeeveryyyyyyyyyyythiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing...........

Video game characters are programmed with minds of their own into becoming digital viruses hacking into other arcade machines and fully corrupt them out of business having the potential to destroy technology.

Supernatural entity brings to life old mans puppet which he believes to be his son. Also there’s a demonic cricket 

1.

A criminal breaks into a woman's secluded house while she is away and inducts her sheltered teenage daughter into a gang of violent thugs.

2.

A butler plots to eliminate the named heirs of his elderly mistress's will in order to take the money for himself

3.

A child prodigy steals the friends and the technology of his dead brother and attempts to murder the man who left him to die as only the latest in a string of tragic and unnecessary revenge plots.

The fuck was that last film?

It's literally the plot of Big Hero 6.

Like, I didn't need to exaggerate. That's the actual meat of the plot.

Ha ha holy shit why did I never think of the plot like that lol

It took me a minute to realise your first one was Tangled

Also: A true story of kidnap and rape is covered up with a love story

A town kidnaps a famous racer, forces him to work against his will and eventually brainwash him into loving their town to place it back on the map while smashing his own hopes and dreams to be in line with theirs.

A man is transformed, beaten and stripped of his royalty by his trusted advisor who leaves him to die in the wilderness. He tries to go back through a horrible jungle but is forced to give up his dream due to a nasty village tricking him.

@The Tenth Doctor ...nope, not a clue.

Emperor's New Groove.

...
Dew as in water. pider as in spider. Only the S missing with them together. Thing looks like a spider anyway.

HOW DO YOU MAKE THAT MISTAKE?

To be fair, there isn't really a way to make it sound good. Although I suppose in America, it will sound sillier - like "Doopidder" -  than the way we would pronounce it ("Joopidder").

@DarkRula  I don't think that's beyond them. It's just more uncomfortable to say.

I guess whatever makes things easier to say. There's also some who would call a spider a spidder, so it still works.

hehheh more like stu-pidder amirite

@DarkRula ...are you serious?

@Ernest-Panda To which part?

...Wait, it's not Dew-pidder?

Dew-pider (as in spider) sounds too dumb and unnatural to me. Like, I understand that "-pider" comes from the word "spider", but it's much easier to pronounce it as "dew-pidder". That's almost like saying Jupiter as "Ju-pider"

@DarkRula that there are actually people who say “spidder”?

I’ve been internally saying “Dew-pider” ever since I saw it, it sounds perfectly normal/logical to me

Not exactly sure where it comes from, but it certainly seems a popular form of slang if Twitter is anything to go by. https://twitter.com/hashtag/spidder

Dewpider is a dumb name and there's no way to pronounce it naturally. "Dew-pidder" is just the best way to do it.

considering i only recently realized that the -tula in zelda's skulltulas comes from tarantula but there's no way in hell i will ever be able to pronounce it like that i'll give pokemon a pass on this

@Diogenes “Skull-chew-la”?

"skullt-u-la"

Oh. The other way doesn’t sound unnatural to me though

Skulltula's a pretty awful name no matter how it's pronounced

to clarify, i've always pronounced the "tul" to rhyme with "skull"; skull-tull-ah

but in tarantula it's more of a "tyu-la" and i just cannot get that to sound right in skulltula

Never had a problem with Skulltula. It's like mulch or gulch.

I want a Sonic Adventure rerelease that’s just a straight port of the Dreamcast version. Or better yet a Taxman/Stealth-esque remaster that keeps the Dreamcast aesthetic.

a good 3d game

@Ernest-Panda A remaster that not only added the remaining bells and whistles that didn't make it in but also added some other necessary tweaks here and there would likely make an awesome game (eg. fix the physics, reanimate the cutscenes with the less narmy Japanese script, add the unused levels and use them to balance out the campaign modes).

Of course SEGA doesn't seem to be other groups correcting, er, tampering with their old games too much.

Unleashed PC/X1 Enhanced release or a boost trilogy release for current systems with resolution and framerate upgrades.

A 2D game by Whitehead and co. focused around Metal Sonic, preferably with some kind of long-term gimmick that makes it more than just "another 2D Sonic game".

Sonic 3 Remastered.

For them to buy the rights to the older soundtracks so they don't have to keep paying royalties for a franchise that they fucking own.

Silver being playable again. I'll even take a spin off at this point.

A focused 3D Sonic Adventure game with Classic sensibilities and mechanics 

Massive open world game. Perfect direction and agency for the player to the point players can't feel a difference between it and a linear Sonic game. Engaging and flowing level design. Emergent gameplay ala classic Sonic physics and mechanics. Dozens of zones squeezed together side-by-side to form the world. Beautiful art style. Insane speeds to reach. Hidden secrets on the side to discover.

Oh, "probably". My bad. Mark that down as a definitely.

A 5 to 10-year long hiatus

Tails playable in a 3D Sonic game similar to his appearances in Sonic 3 and SA1.

A "Boost Collection" for current gen consoles with Unleashed, Colours and Generstions with remastered graphics.

Or a Colours 2.

An X-Axis.

A 2D modern Sonic game made by the people who made mania.

I'm aware the advanced series exists.

Pleasant fans. XP

Oh wait a minute, that you want. 

A fun boost game that takes the boost futher in what you can do with the formula that all fans will like.

I guess back then they thought Archie was a niche and now they try to appeal to the general audience?

*Sabrina the sitcom didn't get that much attention*

you're kidding me right

Not to the scale that Riverdale got. Sure, it got a tie-in comic series, but they didn't shun all their other titles in favour of it.

Trust me, more people are aware of Sabrina's sitcom and cartoon series than Riverdale

It was still bloody massive back in its day. It might be because Archie seem to be in financial peril now so they can't afford to focus on that and keep up with their titles. 

Yeah, I've just made similar comments in the Archie thread. Sabrina was a huge hit in the 90s, probably despite Archie. While I think that Archie's efforts with Riverdale are purely desperate, a foolhardy effort to try and modernise the IP and the cost of everything.

Sabrina was massive, but I'm pretty sure it did it by itself and not because of Archie's involvement.

Hell, Sabrina even managed to be just as big a hit here in the UK and the Archie brand is all but completely unknown here.

Well, we knew Sugar, Sugar and the 70's Josie cartoon, but that's about it aside from the Sabrina sticom and some of the Sabrina cartoons thereafter. 

True, but most wouldn't even have known the three were connected, or that Archie and had a wider existance outside of "that cartoon band that sang that one song".

True that. Even I didn't know the Archies were from a long-established comic series when I knew about the song. 

Funny story: my mum was familiar with the Sugar Sugar video from when she was growing up, and yet when I started watching Archie's Weird Mysteries she didn't recognise the characters. A little while later she was watching a show about old music where they played a part of the video, and that was when it finally occurred to her who the characters were.

Probably because CW is comic show central and they tend to promote all their franchises. Also the other Archie shows were likely less accessible to different audiences, while this may seem more mainstream and inclusive to multiple groups 

@Kintor Making progressive and inclusive stories is foolish?

@KHCast What!? Where did you get that from?

I'm saying that Archie is foolish for risking everything on the gamble that they can update Archie for modern audiences. As an IP Archie has always existed in this weird limbo 40s/50s universe, like that movie Pleasantville except without the pointed social commentary. Changing that formula alienates diehard Archie fans and may catch-on with new audiences.

I wouldn't say it's foolish since it seems to be working though. Clearly 40/50's was more alienating to outside audiences than it was worth. I can't have seen them give us a Archie's Weird Mysteries 2.0 on CW, and see it nearly as popular as it seems to be atm. 

@KHCast What are you assuming the worst for? Archie's "modernization" has to do with a lot more than simply their efforts to be inclusive.

It's like FFXV going action RPG, yeah it upsets die hands, but it still retained some fans and gained a sizable new group of people since it was more accessible 

Modernization usually is done to grab outside core fanbases, and appeal to social changes within media. Being inclusive while not the only factor, is a factor in many instances.

Clearly they felt something in the past efforts wasn't hitting a chord with outside audiences, so they're trying something new, which personally I don't see problematic(tho I don't read the comics)

Riverdale might pay off though. I've gotten a few people at my work interested in it. Everyone I've told about who have watched it, have really enjoyed each episode. 

But man, as like 1 of the 15 (exaggerated [maybe]) UK hardcore Archie fans, I look like a right loony trying to explain the connections between Archie, Josie and the Pussycats and Sabrina 

$9.99 a minute? It's been like 5 minutes!

Chris doing his best impression of ET.

When your parents call you in the middle of a house party to tell you they're coming home early.

“What do you mean that you hate my guts, Sonic?!”

Honestly the best picture of Chris

"...I'm never going to be in a Sonic product again?" 

"What do you mean Sonic's dead?"

"What do you mean I have to get ready for the next game?"

"...What the heck is a 'Kingdom Hearts'!?"

"Sonic X is canceled..."

When he learned that, indeed, Everybody Hates Chris 

I achieved the five necessary and pure statuses reactions

I can now become a Super Status God

...NO WHO TOOK AWAY THE FINAL NECESSARY PIECE OF THE PUZZLE

@TCB I've got your back, fam.

@TCB I deduced that the missing reaction before @Waveshocker Sigma stepped in was Fist Bump.

I’m sorry but under no circumstances will I ever use that reaction as long as I have others to choose from. Glad you got your full house as far as reactions go ?

@Waveshocker Sigma my man

But @Kiah

ONE 

MORE

LAST

FIST

BUUUUUUUMP

?*Heh heh heh*...it was I that removed the last reaction!!!

(Laughs maniacally)

@TCB I’m going to let it slide this time because I’m really hoping this a sign of you feeling better otherwise I will not tolerate these shenanigans from you, young man! ?

Gotta throw everything out with the kitchen sink don'tcha know

Sega's troubleshooting is surface level at best. People don't like the horribly coded amigo sections of 06? Just don't use those characters at all again. People don't like RoL? Purge the entire thing. Even the show and characters that were good like Sticks.

The only instance of them actually moving forward somewhat correctly was with Colors from Unleashed and even then, to say they still took wider swings then they should've would be a huge understatement.

this series is confused enough about its identity as it is. it doesn't need to draw in elements from every other wildly divergent continuity into one big slurry.

Sega is shortsighted and kinda dumb. What else is new?

They also don’t need to reset the board every time either. That’s part of the reason why they’ve never been able to gain a solid footing.