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Shaddy Zaphod

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  1. If your complaint with something is that it's "too political" for having a diverse cast you should fuck off

    1. Tarnish

      Tarnish

      When your diverse cast comes at the expense of existing characters, like "Let's turn the Little Mermaid black" or something along those lines, then yeah, it is just "too political".

    2. JezMM

      JezMM

      There's very VERY few examples where that logic applies and The Little Mermaid, the mythical fantasy creature who lives at the bottom of the sea, sure as hell ain't one of them.

       

      Also all media is political, the only time people think it isn't is when it aligns with your politics (which is, unfortunately in a lot of cases, "white people only please" because people are often fucking racist shitbags - especially when it comes to fantasy where race of the actors does not matter one goddamn bit).

    3. Tarnish

      Tarnish

      Didn't they JUST do it in Birds of Prey with Black Canary?

      And just because it's fantasy is no excuse to start race/gender swapping characters. You want diverse cast (as if that ever improved anything to begin with, as you're supposed to identify with the personality, strenghts, weaknesses, struggles, etc., not the skin color), do it by creating new things, not changing already established things that have sometimes decades of history.

      And if the "race of the actors does not matter one goddamn bit" (even tho it might depending on the lore of the fantasy), why even make it a priority to begin with?

      And regarding politics in media: most things have a political message, yes (tho I still wonder what is the political message of the Snake game or Tetris), there's a difference between creating something unique that is entertaining just by itself, but has a message if you start digging into it, and just using an already existing IP/characters to tell your thinly veiled agenda, where it's pretty obvious your message came first, not entertainment.

      And there's also a difference between the author/creator's purposeful message, and someone's presumed/perceived message they see in things. Someone who is hell-bent on seeing racism in everything WILL see racism in everything, even if it's not there.

    4. JezMM

      JezMM

      Your argument goes both ways anyway.  You're supposed to identify with the personality, strengths, weaknesses, struggles etc, not the skin colour... so why does it matter that The Little Mermaid and Black Canary aren't white?  (I actually learned that Canary has been white in previous portrayals by this very conversation lol, didn't think anything of it at all in the movie).

      By complaining about this sort of thing you're basically saying that the act of not being white and existing is a political standpoint.  Considering the "thinly veiled agenda" here is "people of different skin colours should be treated without prejudice" I cannot comprehend how anyone who isn't racist could disagree with that.

    5. dbzfan7

      dbzfan7

      I agree with the late great Stan Lee

      “It has nothing to do with being anti-gay, or anti-black, or anti-Latino, or anything like that,” Lee said. “Latino characters should stay Latino. The Black Panther should certainly not be Swiss. I just see no reason to change that which has already been established when it’s so easy to add new characters. I say create new characters the way you want to. Hell, I’ll do it myself.”

    6. Wraith

      Wraith

      Black panther cannot be separated from his racial and historical context but characters like Ariel and Spiderman are made to appeal to everyone with characteristics designed to appeal to a broad amount of experiences. Their race truly does not matter. 

      And if you raise an eyebrow every time you see us playing one of those roles when those characters have resonated with us for decades, same as you, then yeah you probably got a hang up or two you need to work .

      I would prefer new characters tailored to the black experience myself, but I hardly hear a push for new characters outside of the context of whether or not we are stealing old ones so I never read that point as genuine. 

    7. dbzfan7

      dbzfan7

      Because casting diversity and passing hand me downs is far easier and less time consuming than trying to launch the next big character. They can do whatever they want, I don't really care. I still find it offensive that apparently there is less effort to make new great diverse characters and instead creators go the cheap safe route instead. Why bother when the successful route is to just change the ethnicity of an older character, or give them a the mantle of another popular hero, and go for them brownie points of both nostalgia and ethnicity.

      In my social group meetings that was something brought up by an african american colleague who was just damn tired of always getting his representation as just cheap immitations. He still liked Miles Morales and Falcon Captain America for instance, and he doesn't get up in arms on diverse casting or anything. Just merely tired of the unoriginality.

       

    8. JezMM

      JezMM

      I think there's room for both, there's something to be said for the dismissive attitude of "oh, if you want diversity in movies, go make your own new ones over there", and then the people who say this will prompty proceed to ignore that corner, or worse, still get mad about it anyway.

      Thing is, I'm sure a lot of people will see movies for properties they already care about in spite of diverse casting, while ignoring new properties or standalone films that provide diversity.  I agree that we should be further ahead and be able to make new properties in full confidence of their success but... we aren't (though I am of the thought of "they should anyway, screw the profits", but... let's be realistic here lol).

    9. Monkey Destruction Switch

      Monkey Destruction Switch

      I'm really disappointed to see people chalking up not liking changing the races of characters to racism. My personal opinion is that I usually don't mind it and sometimes even support it, but the idea that not liking it must mean that individual has a racial hang-up is quite frankly shameful. You honestly should be ashamed of yourselves for implying such a thing.

    10. Wraith

      Wraith

      Racism isn't a black and white, red light green light thing. We all have biases that we can afford to stop and check ourselves on. There are layers to these things. I dont mind my friends telling me to check myself on some things.

       You should carry yourself and hold your friends to the same level of introspection instead of screeching when someone tells you in the most respectful way possible that they find something bothersome or even offensive. 

    11. JezMM

      JezMM

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      Considering the "thinly veiled agenda" here is "people of different skin colours should be treated without prejudice" I cannot comprehend how anyone who isn't racist could disagree with that.

      This was the only point I made where I suggested racism of anyone, but I stand by it.

      On the flipside though I will also re-assure that I was not assuming automatic racism on anyone who disagreed with my other comments.

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