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  1. Wow!! I find it extremely interesting how the same period when I didn't have the time to spend on SSMB is even greater amount of time you banned me for lmao. Specifically, I get back to the site and it turns out I had been banned somewhere within that amount of time that I had been busy. I find that kinda hilarious. At any rate, I'm not shocked to find that you've not only been hypocritical, but ludicrously selective in your application of common terms such as "flaming" and "insult". Considering that you clearly see yourself as operating above this line and within the bounds of being cordial (which is bullshit) let's try and make some sort of a comparison and find a difference. Of everything I said to you that could honestly be qualified as an either a.) an insult or b.) flaming, are "You are an idiot", which was an honest personal observation over more than enough back and forth dialogue. So yeah, lots of bs flying around in your post from a week ago. Congrats for banning. Sorry I took so long to reply, but real life was doing its thing. Good thing is I'm on vacation now.
  2. Alright. Excluding CC has...it's got nothing to do with fairness haha... I've made that distinction enough in previous posts. I'm not sure why you're bring that up lol. So yes, the question is a ranking of the fastest character. In order to do that, you would have to calculate each characters speed and make a comparison. How would we do that? -Well obviously, the speed of two or more characters would have to have their speed calculated and then compared to see which one is highest. Where to even start? -Well to determine how fast a character is, we're obviously calculating their speed. That is, the distance they cross divided by the amount of time it takes them to do so. Obviously, all characters have to be crossing the same distance, or the comparison is thrown out of whack. This is in the same way that having two Olympic athletes race each other, runner A traveling 100 meters to the finish line and runner B traveling 500 and then claiming runner A the fastest because he reached his finish first wouldn't make sense. No, the only acceptable comparison would be to clock in both runners at an equal distance run. That way, we can apply the same speed formula to both and then compare the results. Likewise, with our Sonic character, we compare their result to those of other characters to see who crossed a distance the fastest. Seeing as a lot of this is going to be both hypothetical and based on performances in games and character info, we're not going to be able to get the best full roster ranking. Hence why my list was described and made as follows lol That's the bar of what we can do as far as I'm concerned, but the real kicker here is "what's the bar on what's allowing these characters to get from point a to b? Well, the question is "Sonic Speed Tiers". Or rank the characters in tiers of speed. It wouldn't make sense to have everyone on different grounds in the same ranking though, so we can assume it's rank the characters in tiers of speed. I mean Jet's not even on the Op's list despite his obvious speed, so that only further backs it up. Jet using his board in a race against Sonic is the same as a biker vs a runner. It's not the same thing lol. So just those characters at their balls to the wall barest, trucking it out. For example: This is Jet the Hawk This is the Type-J It's not Jet the Hawk. It's not a part of him, his physiology. This is the same reason why Metal Sonic's engine goes but Jet's board doesn't. Metal Sonic's a robot. Just like Sonic can pump his legs, Metal Sonic can pump his engine until they run themselves into the ground. And you know what? That'll be them. With Jet, it's not him. It's his board. Jet is still a fully functioning body. He can still go lol. So then you might ask, what about Silver's ESP? -Yeah, it's physiological, but guess what? What happens when Silver burns out his ESP and ahs to wait to recover? He's still walking about fit as a fiddle doing everything else! Sooooo....that's an outlier. An oddball. It's the same thing as with Jet because it's not the same as with other characters. It's not a matter of "fairness", it's about getting a cohesive and accurate representation of who is the fastest. When you take the steroids or the bike away from a runner in a 100 meter dash to see who's the fastest, it's not just about arbitrary fairness, by far no. It's about the results. So back to CC. This is also a no go for the same reason. That in addition to the distance thing. Obviously regardless of whether you agree that it's A.) a teleoprtation device or B.) you think that we just don't know what the fck is happening between point A and B, it can't be included not because of "fairness" but bc A.) it's not the same distance (which brings up back to the beginning of this post and stopping us there since we're missing the constant "d" component of comparing the speed of two objects. Constant, as no one can do the math for the comparison given two different distances since we don't have enough info) and B.) we don't know anything about how the technique works to even begin to say he's crossing the same distance. You also said that CC would still count if it had slowed down time around the user and allowed them to continue on the path at an unaffected pace. Well...no it wouldn't..because now the "time" component is being messed with. That's all the reason for this stuff.
  3. Because they're moving over the same space...? Not to mention, we're not counting hoverboards in a test of speed. At least I'm not. It misses the point. Besides, everyone has extreme gear and everyone can ride each others extreme gear. Conjecture at best? Literally the only game that "seem to show Shadow/Lancelot moving through the intervening space when using Chaos Control rather than" is Shadow the Hedgehog. In every other installment, "simply jumping from start to finish." is literally all we see. Not to mention, ShtH is already a strictly gimmicky game that uses those for similar theme and gimmick/mechanic reasons rather than anything else. It wouldn't make sense for Shadow to legit start sparking blue and walking about before flying through the area super fast on a fixed track, ignoring all conscious destinations and important goals while destroying everything and gaining gun unlimited ammo when that's clearly not what happens from the point A to Bs that we see lol. You might want to redefine that or clarify. Because as we see is a flash of light and he's gone. If that's what you mean by lightning fast movement and generic anime flash steps (which clearly aren't the same as that, rather they're quickly blurs of the characters' color palette or a flash of black lines or they just disappear all together), then how is that a contrary to "the assumption that Chaos Control just takes you from point A to point B instantly"?
  4. I'm not sure if you're joking or not, but you do realize the common sense implications of the phrase "over solid ground", much more in this sentence and especially in a context like this, right? At the very least, you know what a wormhole is? That would have made that distinction clear. Maybe it's just late at night where you are? xDD I know the feel lmao. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wormhole
  5. Right, but even in a wormhole, the space or "distance" traveled there =/= the space/distance traveled over solid ground. Throughout all of this, he's still missing the "distance" part of the equation. You've missed too much of the conversation lol xD
  6. Nice point, but pretty sure we've already established that he's "warping time and space" lol. He's not "moving" anywhere.
  7. You're assuming that though lol. Ninja =/= "automatically faster than Amy Rose". That's not a definition or something that we can actually judge lol. What we can say that being a ninja allows him to stick to walls just about indefinitely though.
  8. Pretty sure the thread is "fastest Sonic characters", not "who can get from one place to the other the fastest." That's like saying "Which is the fastest land animal." Everyone says "The cheetah." but there's another guy who says, "I disagree. It's the goddamn turtle. See, if I shoot that sucker out of a cannon or I strap it to a nuke and send it half-way around the world, he'll have set a whole new standard." It's kinda blatantly missing the point. xD It's not as if Shadow's only means of moving his body or being mobile is chaos control lol. We can still include him in the discussion haha
  9. Doesn'tmake sense to me either lol. That's not what was being said. We were talking about the triangle jump being a tie breaker in speed between Amy and Espio since Amy couldnt do it and the rebuttal to that argument we were bringing up was that Espio is sticking to the wall bc he is a ninja/chameleon (this is clear as he stays to the wall indefinitely as opposed to the real fastest characters who cant. So, who's to say that ninja/chameleon attributes aren't the ONLY reason he is sticking to the wall. Whos to say that without them, he wouldn't do the same thing Amy does? That is, touching the wall, but then falling). You then said, "Espio is a ninja, why wouldn't he be able to do the Triangle Jump?which was just kinda like, "wat?"
  10. Sorry? I'm just really confused lol.. xD Maybe you missed the point? I figure you're asking a question to something that I've actually already explicitly said, meanwhile entirely missing the point? Or maybe you were just concurring with me? Sorry (again) , what exactly are you replying to?
  11. Tanks. Pretty sure he was tho lol.. I mean I dunno why of all things they would suddenly decide to make Espio a ninja lol and not have that be the case in the other games? I mean it wouldn't be that big of a deal xD I guess either way though nothing really changes. I still make the exact same point. At any rate, thanks man.
  12. Yeah, I feel that's not exactly what they were talking about though lol. When you here "Silver split with Blaze to go train" or something to that effect, you don't think just two dudes who hang out and fight occasionally bc that's something he can do at any time. That's just a relationship that has no baring on him training lol. They're not married or even dating or some crap lmao. He's not tied to her. Even if they have some mutual hangout schedule or some what not lol. Or some constantly meeting and daily hanging out friendship that they just paused (both of which would still be a serious thing to not specify lmao). You don't think of that. You think of an ongoing partnership (similar to the reliance they had in 06) that just broke off for one reason or another. Even if it happened bc Blaze left to go home or something to that effect, bc either way that's still a pretty important thing to just not mention or not identify haha .
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