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    Patron reacted to Indigo Rush in Sonic Appears in OK K.O.! (Crossover Episode on August 4th)   
    I'm just happy that a generation of youngsters are going to be exposed to Sonic in an earnest and genuine way. What I saw lacks the cynicism present in Sonic Boom, which I think is a nice departure, and I do love me some Sonic Boom, don't get me wrong. It's just nice to see Sonic framed as a popular dude without it being too mean (sorry, Tails).
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    Patron got a reaction from Ryannumber1gamer in [EVENT] - The Sonic Musical Spectacular 4 - Celebrating SSMB, 28 Years of Sonic, and 4 years of Motobug! - (Submissions Closed) Main Event Stream Premiere - (New dates) - 3rd and 4th August - 7pm GMT/2pm EST   
    Here goes nothing!
    Song 1: Eggman - Sonic X (Japan)
    Song 2: Nonagression - Sonic Advance 3
    Song 3: Mountain Zone - Sonic Jump (2005)
    Song 4: Super Ultra Violet - Eggman Hates Furries
    Remix: Seaside Hill (Leslie Wai Remix) - Sonic Heroes
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    Patron got a reaction from DabigRG in Team Sonic Racing - Big the Cat Music Video   
    I'm trying to scroll through the Sonic Officials, but somewhere in there Aaron pointed out that Arin was not only one of the first users to create an animation based on the Sonic franchise, but especially on Knuckles Chaotix, one of the more obscure games. Therefore his interest in and knowledge of the franchise might be deeper than it appears to be.
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    Patron reacted to Razule in Sonic Live Action Movie Thread (Read OP for topic rules) "Trailer 2 on Page 482)   
    Turning Rattata into an actual rat that vaguely resembles Rattata would also be a bad idea.
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    Patron reacted to Razule in Sonic Live Action Movie Thread (Read OP for topic rules) "Trailer 2 on Page 482)   
    I think his movie-self is actually a logical realistic transition.
    Hear me out: Eggman, a human, has noodle limbs. So Sonic's design is a result of the art-style, not his biology. So, in-universe, Sonic is a short, blue man with a vaguely hedgehog head. His movie design is the closest approximation to what the people of Sonic's World and Human World see everyday.
    ..of course, actually making such a thing was a terrible idea, but still. Imagine if Detective Pikachu looked more like an actual rat than a fluffy Pikachu.
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    Patron reacted to Indigo Rush in Sonic Live Action Movie Thread (Read OP for topic rules) "Trailer 2 on Page 482)   
    Good morning.
    I have opinions on the trailer I saw.
     
    Y'know I was starting to warm up to the idea of a live action Sonic movie being it's own little thing. I thought to myself, "kids are going to watch this and get into Sonic, much like how I watched the cartoons back in the 90s and that was my favorite thing to watch while I played the games." No biggie. Sonic might look off, but it'll certainly have it's charm. Sonic and some cop go across the country to find Sonic's rings. Robotnik is chasing them. Action scenes will be cool. They learn the power of friendship. Whatever. Nothing special, but nothing offensive. I had made peace with it, logged onto the group chat with a couple other ex-SSMB members and said, "ya know what, I'm okay with this."
    Then the trailer dropped.

    I am not okay with this.
    I don't think it bears repeating how awful this looks, but holy dick this looks ugly. I've gone on a few Twitter rants when the silhouette was revealed, and I explained to everyone the risk that this film had falling into the "uncanny valley." We're going to put a pin in that and extrapolate what's going on later, but here's the abridged thread if you're curious to take a gander at what I wrote: 
     
    So, going off of the trailer and merchandise listings, we know that the alleged leak from Reddit was, in fact, legitimate. This means that we're going to have a baby Sonic (oh no) who'll be raised by an owl (a deep cut nobody asked for) and it's going to have every bottom rung joke you'd expect.
    Actually, let's analyze one of them:

    This is all wrong. Let's set aside the subject matter for now (they make a breast-feeding joke at another point, so there's no point in calling this one out for being inappropriate) and talk about why this doesn't work, and what could've been done better, because this really frustrated me. 
    Woman: "Do you have your child in your bag?"
    Tom: "No... I mean yes it's a child, but it's not mine."
    Man: "It's not your child?"
    Then they awkwardly walk away.
    Abomination: "It smells like body spray and old ham sandwich..."
    NO. NO. NO. Do these hacks not know how to write a joke? The flow is off, the punchline is weak and it lingers longer than anyone would have ever wanted. They overexplain the joke.
    Let's try a different take:
    Woman: "Do you have your child in that bag?"
    Tom: "Oh, no... it's not my child."
    Woman: "Oh, I see."
    *she immediately, inconspicuously pulls out her phone to call the local police, and Tom's phone rings (y'know, since he's a cop?)*
    ...and you could make a whole gag with this setup. This works better, because they don't overexplain the setup. When Tom says "It's a child, but it's not mine", he's overexplaining. It's funnier when you leave the audience to do a little work to get the context. With "No, it's not my child," that already presumes that he's admitting to having a child in the bag, despite how reassuringly he's saying it. The bearded man saying "...it's not your child?" is further lingering on the punchline. No, we already had our weak punchline. Then they awkwardly walk away... like...? Hello? Child kidnapper? Maybe don't make a joke focused on child abduction in the first place.
    My point is that the writers are hacks. Jim Carrey's performance is, well, Jim Carrey, but the stuff they're going to have him saying is not going to reflect well on him. Everything I've seen and read regarding this film is simply not funny.
    Ben Schwartz disappointed me. He doesn't sound like a Sonic. Sonic doesn't look like Sonic. So remember that pin we placed a few paragraphs up? Let's look at this again; there are actually two things at play here, and that's brand recognition and basic human psychology. The first one is the reason why Jeff Fowler is even bothering to tell us they're going to "fix" the design (I don't believe this any more, I think it's a PR stunt). They are expecting the cathexis of Sonic fans, general audiences who grew up in the 90s, and literally anybody who knows what Sonic is (this is a LOT of people) to see their film on the merits that Sonic is in it. Some people saw Wreck-it Ralph solely because Sonic would be on the screen for a few seconds. That's the power of brand recognition. 
    They botched it. They botched it in ways that makes me feel bad for giving the Sonic Boom designs such a hard time a few years back. This character resembles Sonic in the most rudimentary of levels: blue walking talking hedgehog with red sneakers. That's about it. You got that much right. Yep. Sure is a blue talking hedgehog with red sneakers.
    So, this is Sonic the Hedgehog, in case you're joining us: 

    This is what I like to call a "CARTOON CHARACTER."
    This design is famous and is one of the very few things that keeps this character relevant. It's an amazing design, beautiful colors and expressive eyes. This is a true cartoon character. This is a Mickey Mouse. This is a Bugs Bunny. This is a Spongebob Squarepants. 
    This is not a realistic animal creature that's supposed to interact with real people. Sonic 2006 got thrashed for many reasons, and putting a cartoon character in a non-cartoony real world unironically is one of those reasons; and even then, Sonic largely looked on-model with his traditional design. They pulled him through a taffy machine, yes, but it was still Sonic.

    This sort of reminds me of those old threads on Sonic Retro or around here, where the topic was to make your own Sonic redesign? And remember how a number of people interpreted Sonic as a funny fantasy animal not too unlike something from Disney's Robin Hood or some of the... furry art from the more sexually depraved corners of the Internet? See, this Sonic looks like those. And it's getting about the response I got whenever I saw that fan art way back: disgust and disturbance; only this time, it's felt by a large majority of the population, and I feel a sense of vindication there. No one in their right minds wants a realistic furry Sonic, and shame on them for going with this.
    And because they went with "Furry Sonic" (I'm calling this disaster "Furry Sonic" now) now they're in danger of the Uncanny Valley, and boy do they fall right into it. 
    The theory of the Uncanny Valley assert that when you create a character, the closer it resembles humanity in real life, the more we're likely to identify it as human. This sort of applies to animals as well, but not to that great of an extent. This is part of why Detective Pikachu can get away with realistic Pokemon; they're definitely detailed in such a way that they look alive, but they aren't human enough, it's like coming across a new animal, except many of us have seen characterized versions of them. It's a video game franchise, this is a forum where most of us have played Pokemon at some point, so it's not going to be a shock. They stay largely on model and don't go too far out of line.
    Furry Sonic on the other hand is too detailed. Sonic is known as being a bunch of circles with noodles as limbs. Hardly realistic. Well, now we're seeing him with a human-like body, complete with muscle detail, glutes, buns and thighs. His hands look human. He has a human mouth... and this is the biggest sin, his eyes. His eyes look like slightly larger human eyes. This is the big one. Sonic's face. NO ONE. LIKES. SONIC'S. FACE. NO ONE. If you think you like Sonic's face, you're wrong. Why is this upsetting so many people? It's because the face is largely how humans communicate with one another. We look at one another's eyes for cues for emotion and intent. This is how we're designed, and it's basic human psychology.
    Now we have Furry Sonic. Real human face, except the nose is like a dog's nose. We have enough visual information for our brain to parse Sonic as human-like, but the blue and tan fuzz and nose and animal ears are adding static to our process. We're unsettled. We're repulsed. This is the Uncanny Valley at work. If Sonic is less human-like (as a cartoon character, like he should've been), his human-like characteristics stand out to us and become appealing in that context. People like cartoon Sonic's eyes because they're more expressive than a human's eyes can be. We like how he moves because he moves faster and more fluidly than a human can. He does human things better than humans, and that's appealing. And the non-human things (proportions, colors, etc) are seen as details that identify him as a non-human. Sonic is a perfect cartoon character. But now we're on the side of the Valley where realistic human robots and awkward motion-captured CG films like Polar Express are. They look human, but don't behave human. Furry Sonic isn't exactly like this, but he's close enough that it unsettles us. And judging by how the internet reacted, I would say it's in support of the theory.
    So, Furry Sonic is uncanny. I hate it. The jokes are unfunny. I hate it. Gangster's Paradise is uncool. I hate it. 
    I hate everything about this. 
    I hate that people are even giving this a chance any more. At this point, I'm even considering cancelling my plans of seeing it with friends. My intent was to watch it with some friends who weren't quite as familiar with Sonic as I was, so we could all have a fun time talking about how ridiculous the movie is, but after stewing it over, I'm actually offended by this. The entire thing is an insult not just to people who like Sonic, but to children who they're expecting to love this. It's insulting to the intelligence of it's audiences and I think Paramount should be ashamed of themselves for letting it get to the point to where they're claiming they'll "fix" Sonic.
    Want to fix Sonic? Cancel the movie and start over.
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    Patron reacted to BaronGrackle in Sonic Live Action Movie Thread (Read OP for topic rules) "Trailer 2 on Page 482)   
    Sorry if this was posted, but I just realized: they were going for the Sonic CD model!

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    Patron got a reaction from Miragnarok in Team Sonic Racing - Big the Cat Music Video   
    I'm trying to scroll through the Sonic Officials, but somewhere in there Aaron pointed out that Arin was not only one of the first users to create an animation based on the Sonic franchise, but especially on Knuckles Chaotix, one of the more obscure games. Therefore his interest in and knowledge of the franchise might be deeper than it appears to be.
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    Patron reacted to DabigRG in Team Sonic Racing - Upcoming Sonic Racing Game   
    No, please, let Dodon Pa just be his own thing.
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    Patron got a reaction from Kittea in Team Sonic Racing - Big the Cat Music Video   
    Aaron, Arin and Jirad visited Japan together in an earlier video to play some Team Sonic Racing. During the trip they had a jam session with Jun Senoue, which resulted in this song. Arin is a big fan of Jun, so this was most likely a big moment for him.
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    Patron reacted to Dr. Detective Mike in Sonic Live Action Movie Thread (Read OP for topic rules) "Trailer 2 on Page 482)   
    Either they really underestimated how mainstream Sonic the Hedgehog still is or they overestimated how good they thought their trailer was. I'm gonna say both.
    Despite how inconsistent his quality is, you don't do this to a video game icon and have people sleep on it. That's what Sonic is.
    We're in the endgame now. 

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    Patron got a reaction from Little T in Team Sonic Racing - Big the Cat Music Video   
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    Patron got a reaction from Miragnarok in Team Sonic Racing - Big the Cat Music Video   
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    Patron got a reaction from tailsBOOM! in Team Sonic Racing - Big the Cat Music Video   
    Aaron, Arin and Jirad visited Japan together in an earlier video to play some Team Sonic Racing. During the trip they had a jam session with Jun Senoue, which resulted in this song. Arin is a big fan of Jun, so this was most likely a big moment for him.
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    Patron got a reaction from DaddlerTheDalek in Team Sonic Racing - Upcoming Sonic Racing Game   
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    Patron got a reaction from DaddlerTheDalek in Team Sonic Racing Overdrive: Part 2   
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    Patron reacted to Badnik Mechanic in Team Sonic Racing Overdrive (Part 2 Out Now)   
    Making this put a smile on my face.
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    Patron reacted to Sonictrainer in Team Sonic Racing Overdrive (Part 2 Out Now)   
    This man is a gem.
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    Patron got a reaction from Syntax Speedway in Team Sonic Racing Overdrive (Part 2 Out Now)   
    Isn't it a "lone wolf versus power of teamwork" buildup with the payoff showing one of the game's central mechanics? The animations already showcased aspects like sharing items, team dialogue and the various Wisps.
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    Patron got a reaction from Pawn in Team Sonic Racing Overdrive (Part 2 Out Now)   
    Isn't it a "lone wolf versus power of teamwork" buildup with the payoff showing one of the game's central mechanics? The animations already showcased aspects like sharing items, team dialogue and the various Wisps.
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    Patron got a reaction from Sonictrainer in Team Sonic Racing Overdrive (Part 2 Out Now)   
    Isn't it a "lone wolf versus power of teamwork" buildup with the payoff showing one of the game's central mechanics? The animations already showcased aspects like sharing items, team dialogue and the various Wisps.
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    Patron got a reaction from tailsBOOM! in Team Sonic Racing Overdrive (Part 2 Out Now)   
    On another note, Green Light Ride gets better with each new snippet. Crush 40's finally back! According to Amazon Japan the soundtrack will be out on May 29.
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    Patron got a reaction from tailsBOOM! in Team Sonic Racing Overdrive (Part 2 Out Now)   
    Isn't it a "lone wolf versus power of teamwork" buildup with the payoff showing one of the game's central mechanics? The animations already showcased aspects like sharing items, team dialogue and the various Wisps.
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    Patron reacted to StellarBlur in Team Sonic Racing Overdrive (Part 2 Out Now)   
    Can we talk about how much better Green Light Ride sounds in this short ?
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