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    1. Sonic Fan J

      Sonic Fan J

      Poor Raditz, Retroactively left out of the loop and pretty much forgotten by everyone. I can't help but feel sorry for Goku's older brother.

    2. Adamabba

      Adamabba

      I wonder how many retcons I have to look up to be ready for the Broly movie

    3. ThePrinceOfSaiyans

      ThePrinceOfSaiyans

      The Broli movie will provide 2 of these retcons, lol. 

    4. Sonic Fan J

      Sonic Fan J

      @Adamabba probably not too many. I just like to think that Raditz was just left out of the loop because no one really liked him, not even his strangely nice for Saiyan parents. Then of course Freiza blowing up Planet Vegeta was something that was already retconned in the very next arc so like @ThePrinceOfSaiyans says, of the three listed above two will take place in the Broly movie. Arguably though involving Goku's mission, that could have just been an assumption on Raditz part considering how out of the loop he already was. Honestly, I don't even remember if either Nappa or Vegeta ever even brought up Goku's mission. I'm pretty positive Freiza was also ignorant due to him affiliating Gohan with Raditz as well and not considering that a Saiyan had been sent to Earth and not recalled due to being an infant. Honestly, I believe that that bit of lore of infants being sent to exterminate planets would actually allow for a number of Saiyan survivors if not for the bizarreness of the 28 planets with sentient life bit from Super. Then again, exterminating non-sentient life would probably still work to if you want to play around with it but now I'm digressing.

    5. ThePrinceOfSaiyans

      ThePrinceOfSaiyans

      Sure, Raditz may not have known, but Goku being Superman'd undermines the irony of Goku's "heroism" and Goku's rivalry with Vegeta, which serves as a commentary on Saiyan society. These are unnecessary, and ultimately harmful changes.

    6. Sonic Fan J

      Sonic Fan J

      I can see it undermining that heroism, but even growing up with the Funi dub I never perceived Goku as particularly heroic. I actual found his hope of the universe speech to be especially cringy since the whole reason he was fighting Freiza at that point was out of pure rage at Krillin's death until he calmed down enough to just want to test his current strength against Freiza's. There was really nothing heroic about that clash and even then Goku's love of a good fight undermined everything that resulted in that fight. Heck, Goku had wanted to fight Freiza as soon as he heard of him just to test how strong Freiza was. Point being though, I guess I'm not bothered by the loss of the irony of Goku's heroism since most of his heroism stems from him usually just wanting to fight a stronger opponent or being ticked off and vengeful. That's just my interpretation though.

      Now on the other hand, I am hoping that the lack of evidence yet of Bardock's stand against Freiza in the Broly movie has to do with either the planet being shown was not Vegata, or that the trailer was rushed out before the likely CG soldiers were added in.

    7. ThePrinceOfSaiyans

      ThePrinceOfSaiyans

      I'm not saying Goku is heroic, I'm saying whatever acts of heroism he has carried out, whether it be inadvertent or not, were ironic, given Goku's origins. Now that Minus has Superman'd him, his acts of heroism aren't really ironic, which makes Goku less interesting. 

    8. Sonic Fan J

      Sonic Fan J

      Understandable. I think in this case it really is just a difference in our respective perceptions though. For me, I find it ironic that the character looking to get into fights, an action that can be contributed to causing trouble (the whole Future Trunks Arc in Super as the ToP kind of boils down to taking place because of Goku wanting to pick a fight with the best of Universe 6), ends up saving the day as often as he does. Someone looking for a fight saves the day. That statement just comes off as absurd to me and lends itself well to the irony. His parents not being as blood thirsty as other Saiyans doesn't change that for me or even begin to affect what makes Goku's character engaging to me. He still lived his life ignorant of all of that, still credits the reason that he has the morals that he does to his Grandpa Gohan, still is as strong as he is because 'he' wanted to grow stronger after his time with Muten Roshi set him on that path, and is still a fight junkie who is always looking for his next challenge. None of those things change between TV Special or Minus Bardock. It's just background information which does not inform the character or affect their agency. Sure, one story might be more interesting or engaging than the other, but neither effect Goku as a character as they are events that the is ignorant of and does not reflect upon when talking about himself. It's one of the reasons I loved his conversation with #17 in Super during the recruitment arc as Goku talked about himself in light of his upbringing, not his heritage. Maybe a better way to describe is that I see Goku's character and morals divorced from his origins and thus I am unbothered by them since I don't see how they affect his character in universe. Seeing as characters are more important to me than story though that probably says a lot about my stance and why events that don't affect Goku's self perception of himself don't bother me in this case.

      Sorry for the wall of text there.

    9. Ryannumber1Santa

      Ryannumber1Santa

      To be fair, you could possibly make the slim argument that Raditz was already off planet and Vegeta/Nappa later told him that Goku was sent out to destroy a planet as opposed to being sent off world. 

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