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  1. I return, to express my disgust over that god damn trailer.

    I shall channel my inner Sammy

    *ahem*

    WHAT THE FRIC, STOP RUINING SONIC!!!

  2. Fuck this ass hole.

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    Also, regarding the Pokemon direct, all that I ask is that this new Pokemon not be a tutorial heavy cake walk. 

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    1. Polkadi~☆

      Polkadi~☆

      just skip straight to the dreamcast, there are so many classics to fit on a recreation of that console, that it would make the thing sell like hotcakes

  4. Serious question. What absolute nitwit at Nintendo thought it'd be a good idea to ditch the virtual console for Switch? 

    1. Ferno

      Ferno

      my uncle, who works for them

  5. This is neat.

     

    1. Adamabba

      Adamabba

      never heard of this game till now?

    2. ThePrinceOfSaiyans

      ThePrinceOfSaiyans

      I have, but I only ever saw the first level.

    3. Blue Blood

      Blue Blood

      Are the both of you like... 7 years old?

    4. ThePrinceOfSaiyans

      ThePrinceOfSaiyans

      I have no idea what you're even getting at.

    5. Shaddy Zaphod

      Shaddy Zaphod

      I appreciate the person playing this recognizes how parts of Egg Rock are absolute bullshit and just has Tails fly them over everything.

    6. Adamabba

      Adamabba

      I just asked him if he knew the game. I've been playing this since '05

    7. Supah Berry

      Supah Berry

      The recent release of those Saturn stylized models do help make this game shine brighter than before, even if you can see that it's not entirely finished:

      Another thing that makes that truly makes SRB2 unique is its variety online multiplayer gamemodes and robust modding community, from adding other characters into the gameplay, to full blown overhauls like this Sonic Drift inspired mod.

       

  6. Oney and the boys discuss how the Sonic the Hedgehog franchise is doomed.

     

    1. ThePrinceOfSaiyans

      ThePrinceOfSaiyans

      This discussion starts at 10:13 BTW.

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    1. Supah Berry

      Supah Berry

      Not even the Organisation is a match for the yellow spotted lizard.

  8. Dunkey doesn't like KH3, lol.

     

    1. Supah Berry

      Supah Berry

      Comes as no shock for me, since JRPGs as a whole are a crippling weakness of dunkey in terms of judgement. I see him as a pro-Disney a somewhat anti-animu, so it figures that the Disney aspects being downplayed would cause him to be so distasteful towards the franchise as a whole.

      He did handle this better than Octopath, but I still wonder how different he'd reacted if he'd played the older titles, even if he'd hate them all the same.

       

    2. Strickerx5

      Strickerx5

      An rpg that leans heavily on cutscenes and showpieces? Damn, even if the usual KH problems weren’t there I still doubt he’d like it.

      This game is like everything he’s ever criticized about gaming (minus loot boxes) rolled up into one package.

    3. JosepHenry

      JosepHenry

      Oh no, another "Nheeeh, mah dindey characterssss" 

      I will be so glad if next game has no disney character so people whi dint like the original stuff wont even bother

    4. Sean

      Sean

      he right though

    5. JosepHenry

      JosepHenry

      I SUPPOSE, the original stuff sucks (especially in kh3) But at least it will suck alone

    6. Supah Berry

      Supah Berry

      @JosepHenry

      It's too late for that. 

      Nomura had long since sold his soul to the unstoppable media black hole that is Walt. There'll be no escaping them for looooong time, pal. 

      He's should 've paired up with Shonen Jump when he still had the chance.

    7. Zaysho

      Zaysho

      For all the legitimate reasons to bash Disney as a company, Disney characters in Kingdom Hearts is not the problem (they own the IP for fuck's sake).

      Nomura's just a hack writer.

    8. JosepHenry

      JosepHenry

      The problem is Kairi.

      I blame Kairi for everything.

  9. Seriously, what the fuck? Are Guitar Hero controllers designed in such a way that they force the batteries in them to explode if they aren't used frequently? Cuz this is the second fucking time that's happened. 

  10. Just give us a god damn virtual console!

     

    1. Heckboy

      Heckboy

      oh FUCK mario 2??!?!?!? I've NEVER played this before! thank you nintendo for making this obscure classic available in the west for the first time since 1988!

    2. Supah Berry

      Supah Berry

      BUT

       

      SUPAH MARIO BROZ 2, BAYBEE

       

      IT'S A MASTAHPIECE

    3. blueblur98

      blueblur98

      GAME OF THE YEAR EVERY YEAR

  11. I'm inclined to agree that a reboot would do nothing for this series. They just need to move a way from the Solo-Sonic, comedy focused schlock we've been getting since 2010. I much prefer the over the top nonsense we got in the Adventures, '06, and Unleashed. There's just something inherently amusing about a 3 foot tall anthropomorphic hedgehog with an attitude beating up gods with the help of some magical gem stones.
  12. I'm still waiting for the SA1 and SA2 ports to Switch, SEGA!

    Seriously, my xbox controllers are dying, and my gamecube disc for SA2 Battle is almost dead. 

  13. I can't recall the name of this song, and it's pissin' me off, lol.

     

  14. I'm watching SuperMega play KH3, and I find it incredibly distracting that the game rips scenes straight from the older games. It's quite the visual clash, lol.

  15. This is neat.

    Very rough, but it looks like it'd be fun to mess around with.

    1. Supah Berry

      Supah Berry

      Adventure Sonic with boosting is almost as big of a trigger as having a homing attack in Classic games.

      Good thing its not enforced like in Sonic 4.

  16. It's true, from a certain point of view.

     

  17. Having created an archive for all the information available for fusion, I think the majority of Dragon Ball's power scaling problems can be traced back to fusion. 

    1. RedFox99

      RedFox99

      I thought that was transformations' fault.

    2. ThePrinceOfSaiyans

      ThePrinceOfSaiyans

      Eh, I'd say fusion is the bigger problem. The Super Exciting Guide at least provides an established hierarchy.

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      In the wealth of information I could find on fusion, contradictions and vagueries abound. 

    3. Shaddy Zaphod

      Shaddy Zaphod

      The problem with power scaling traces back to power levels being an anti-narrative cop-out meant to convince viewers that every new fight is somehow better or more intense than the last and distract from the fact that they all look the same

    4. ThePrinceOfSaiyans

      ThePrinceOfSaiyans

      Well, regardless of the problems you might have with power levels being the basis for conflict resolution, internal consistency is important. 

    5. Shaddy Zaphod

      Shaddy Zaphod

      It actually really isn't because keeping things consistent in this case makes the entire story predictable and less interesting. It's the same reason newer Star Wars said "fuck you" to midi-chlorians and genetic force powers.

    6. ThePrinceOfSaiyans

      ThePrinceOfSaiyans

      No, it absolutely is. If you aren't going to stick to the rules of your universe, I have flat 0 reason to be invested in it. Battle Powers also don't make things predictable. The best you can do is say the strongest guy wins, but that doesn't tell you how the story is going to unfold. Dragon Ball wasn't terribly predictable when all was said and done. It was able to be internally consistent and still surprise you. The battle with Vegeta is a great example. It was full of twists yet remained internally consistent. 

      >Oh no, Vegeta is stronger than Goku's Kaio-ken? What's he gonna do?

      >Oh no, Vegeta became a giant ape, everyone is screwed!

      >Oh no, the Genki Dama didn't work!

      No, Midi-chlorians were avoided because the fans didn't like the fact they demystified the Force. No one cared that it gave Jedi "power levels". Frankly, they didn't even matter much because Jedi battles mostly came down to who could use their lightsaber the most effectively. 

    7. Shaddy Zaphod

      Shaddy Zaphod

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      No, it absolutely is. If you aren't going to stick to the rules of your universe, I have flat 0 reason to be invested in it.

      And I already lost a lot of that investment because I knew that nobody was ever going to become strong again through anything other than plot magic. That's what power levels force you to use when every new threat needs to be stronger than the last one and not everyone gets their own fights all the time. You need to write what makes a story engaging. People complain about only Goku and Vegeta mattering, but when your system of power is so toxic that basically only Goku and Vegeta can matter, you either change your system or just let your series stagnate. I have always and will always advocate for completely overhauling the rules of a story for the sake of fixing a problem with it. This is also ignoring that Dragon Ball has always subverted expectations by setting rules for itself and then breaking them.

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      Battle Powers also don't make things predictable. The best you can do is say the strongest guy wins, but that doesn't tell you how the story is going to unfold.

      That is literally how the story always unfolds. The only twist that ever happens is that someone turns out to be holding back, or just gets stronger. That's why Freeza's second and third forms are completely boring and pointless, he tells you from the outset that he has four in total meaning the rest is just padding. And trying to calculate battle powers is literally trying to predict and analyze the outcome of fights based on perceived numeric value of feats of strength.

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       The battle with Vegeta is a great example. It was full of twists yet remained internally consistent. 

      And it was the only time that Power levels were sort of utilized effectively (still not the actual numbers because that's complete semantics), because it was about how Goku < Vegeta, but Goku + Krillin + Gohan > Vegeta. No other battle or character in the series uses this for the most part, most of them resort to either breaking the scale (something that happened in your precious untouchable Z as well, I may remind you) or just finding some way to boost the heroes up and inevitably leave everyone else further in the dust. By your logic, the recurring example of Krillin vs. Blue Goku would be completely fine if he just had some kind of magic bullshit super senzu training or whatever that got him up to that level, and if you can stomach a piece of writing that godly fucking stupid, you might as well ignore it altogether because it doesn't even mean anything at that point. Because you can't write a story about Krillin getting back on his fighting game, where Goku just goes mary-blue and beats the  shit out of him. That's a horrible fucking story.

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      No, Midi-chlorians were avoided because the fans didn't like the fact they demystified the Force. No one cared that it gave Jedi "power levels". Frankly, they didn't even matter much because Jedi battles mostly came down to who could use their lightsaber the most effectively. 

      That's not the point I was making, what Midi-chlorians did was restrict who could use the force, and that's part of the "demystification". It meant that the only people who could use the force were people who were part of a bloodline that already had it. It's why everyone was clamoring to predict that Rey was Luke's daughter, because it literally couldn't have been anyone else without saying "uh oh there was actually some other people left or whatever". It's exactly the same issue as the saiyan characters have, which is why Goten and Trunks got Super Saiyan at age 7 for no real reason, and Gohan keeps having to be magic-ed up via old men, rage boosts and zenkais despite doing so little training.

    8. ThePrinceOfSaiyans

      ThePrinceOfSaiyans

      By conceding that battle powers were used effectively in the battle with Vegeta you've conceded that battle powers don't inherently make the story predictable. Whether or not you have a particular problem with how the series has used them before or since doesn't really concern me. Furthermore a story shouldn't be either or. It needs to be engaging AND internally consistent. You can't be one or the other because a lack of one leads a break in the immersion regardless. I happen to think Dragon Ball is engaging despite the fact that battle powers run the show. You may not, but once again, I don't particularly care. 

      Frankly whether or not a story is predictable or not shouldn't matter. I'd say it was pretty obvious the Rebels were going to win by the end of the original trilogy. Is the original Star Wars trilogy now bad because the outcome was predictable? 

      "Trying to calculate battle powers is predicting the outcome of the fights."

      Er, you clearly don't understand the process. People attribute battle power post facto BECAUSE of the constant escalation. In other words the unpredictable nature of this series makes it impossible to project battle powers onto characters until all is said and done. 

      And no, it wouldn't be acceptable to give Kuririn an ass-pull power up. In case you haven't noticed, people don't respond well to incredulous power ups. The story needs to engage it's audience by providing reasons for what happens.  It's also not a horrible story when characters fall behind. Characters can still be useful in ways that don't involve power. Once again, I'll point to the battle with Vegeta, where Yajirobe, the weakest person there, was able to use surprise to cut off Vegeta's tail. There's also Dende who can heal people and restore the Dragon Balls. Blooma can create useful inventions like the Dragon Radar or the time machine. Mr. Satan can get people to contribute to the Genki Dama using his status. Hell, they don't even really need to be useful, they just need to be likable. You seem to like bringing up MHA a lot. Tell me, how often are Mineta, Invisible Girl, and Ican'tstoptwinkling useful? They're usually just there to lighten the mood with gags, no? Not every character has to contribute, they can get by on being gags or characters. Piccolo and Gohan aren't terribly useful these days, all things considered, but their relationship leads to some meaningful scenes a lot of the time because they are likable characters. Just because Goku tends to save the day like he always has doesn't mean the other characters are worthless.

      Also, what? The Force is still limited to those who are Force sensitive. That hasn't changed at all. And you are totally off base with Rey. People were attributing potential parentage to her because of how strong she was with the Force. It's not BECAUSE she had the Force. Honestly though, people were wasting their time with that one. Rey is already broken because even Space Jesus himself, Anakin, had to train to use the Force. Honestly, I wouldn't be using the modern Star Wars trilogy as a positive "retcon"... Even though Midichlorians weren't retconned, they've just been shoved under the rug so to speak. 

    9. Shaddy Zaphod

      Shaddy Zaphod

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      By conceding that battle powers were used effectively in the battle with Vegeta you've conceded that battle powers don't inherently make the story predictable.

      Uh, no? My only point is that that was the least terrible use of it, not that there weren't better options. You're not gonna pull a "haha that means I win" on me.

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      Whether or not you have a particular problem with how the series has used them before or since doesn't really concern me.

      Well that's pretty fucking petty then. They're never going to be used effectively and you're going to keep complaining about when the series breaks from them to make something actually interesting? That's kind of sickening.

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       Furthermore a story shouldn't be either or. It needs to be engaging AND internally consistent. 

      And Dragon Ball has already failed at internal consistency for so many years that it can only hope to grasp the engaging factor. 

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      Frankly whether or not a story is predictable or not shouldn't matter. I'd say it was pretty obvious the Rebels were going to win by the end of the original trilogy. Is the original Star Wars trilogy now bad because the outcome was predictable? 

      That's not the point. It's about how you get to the outcome, and Dragon Ball is always the same

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      Er, you clearly don't understand the process. People attribute battle power post facto BECAUSE of the constant escalation. In other words the unpredictable nature of this series makes it impossible to project battle powers onto characters until all is said and done. 

      Because it breaks it's own rules constantly. See where we're going here? It's always been inconsistent because it was never designed with this shit in mind. It's always made with what makes sense for the story (or is "really cool") as the first and only priority, and that includes subverting expectations by changing things up. This was Bleach's big issue, it did the same things over and over with raised numbers. That series has completely consistent scaling as far as I'm aware and it is so fucking booorinnnng.

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      And no, it wouldn't be acceptable to give Kuririn an ass-pull power up. In case you haven't noticed, people don't respond well to incredulous power ups. The story needs to engage it's audience by providing reasons for what happens.

      Yes, but because of this fetishization of the series' mistakes, there is literally no other way to keep up with Goku. That's why Trunks got rage, that's why Caulifla got SSJ2 in like ten minutes, that's why Gohan got like four ritual boosts that still didn't put him at the limit of his power.

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       It's also not a horrible story when characters fall behind. Characters can still be useful in ways that don't involve power. Once again, I'll point to the battle with Vegeta, where Yajirobe, the weakest person there, was able to use surprise to cut off Vegeta's tail.

      Yeah, and guess what? That's a break in the power scale. Even if you fudge cutting off Goku's tail with Yamcha being stronger and Goku having no control, Vegeta does have control and his ki is strong enough a sword shouldn't be able to effect him, no? If bullets and missiles can't, then neither should a sword.

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      There's also Dende who can heal people and restore the Dragon Balls. Blooma can create useful inventions like the Dragon Radar or the time machine. Mr. Satan can get people to contribute to the Genki Dama using his status. Hell, they don't even really need to be useful, they just need to be likable.

      Yeah, but none of those people were ever pushed as fighters with Ki mastery.

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      You seem to like bringing up MHA a lot. Tell me, how often are Mineta, Invisible Girl, and Ican'tstoptwinkling useful? They're usually just there to lighten the mood with gags, no? Not every character has to contribute, they can get by on being gags or characters.

      Hero Academia is much more than it's fights. It's actual writing, themes, character dynamics and worldbuilding all stand on their own. Dragon Ball's world is hollow, most of it's story was never planned out and constantly overwrites itself, and the fights are the only thing that really ties much of it together. This has been the case ever since it transitioned from being a mostly comedic series.

      Also, I don't particularly like any of those characters in MHA.

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      Piccolo and Gohan aren't terribly useful these days, all things considered, but their relationship leads to some meaningful scenes a lot of the time because they are likable characters. Just because Goku tends to save the day like he always has doesn't mean the other characters are worthless.

      Except their relationship is founded on and mostly revolves around training and strength, the same way as most things in Dragon Ball. Moreover, the series still clearly wants people to think of them as strong fighters that can hold their own. If that's the role it puts them in then they need to actually follow through with that. If the series was like One Piece, where greater threats and allies relevant to them appear and have a general level of power relative to them but then don't come with the heroes afterward you might have a point.

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      Also, what? The Force is still limited to those who are Force sensitive. That hasn't changed at all. And you are totally off base with Rey. People were attributing potential parentage to her because of how strong she was with the Force. It's not BECAUSE she had the Force. Honestly though, people were wasting their time with that one. Rey is already broken because even Space Jesus himself, Anakin, had to train to use the Force. Honestly, I wouldn't be using the modern Star Wars trilogy as a positive "retcon"... Even though Midichlorians weren't retconned, they've just been shoved under the rug so to speak. 

      My point is that just like ki, saiyan biology, etc. midichlorians were an unnecessary limitation to the potential of what should be a universe of infinite possibilities. Shrinking the setting, it's what Toriyama does all the time by saying that the first dude Goku trains with is the strongest in the world, but also there's only 27 planets with life in U7, and also Freeza is the strongest dude there, but there's only 12 universes, meaning Jiren is the strongest guy in all of them or whatever. Power levels are the embodiment of limitation forcing narrative escalation, and thus play a big part in DB's writing being kind of crappy.

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      More or less. If it isn't both internally consistent and engaging then the payoffs are not interesting or satisfying, full stop.

      Yet I gave up on it making perfect sense way earlier in the series than you did.

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      Not completely, no. You can't really expect that when Toriyama didn't have a plan. That said, I do think the parts that aren't are poorly written. The problem I have with modern Dragon Ball is that it's significantly more vague, contradictive, and incredulous. The original run of the series had problems, plenty of them when it came to anime only stuff, but Dragon Ball Super has more numerous and more significant problems.

      And I don't feel there's much of a difference. I mean, Super has a lot of more important problems in regard to character writing and general story-crafting, but breaking from the power scale is breaking from the power scale, and it's almost always been done because the power scale itself is bad. Treating one example as somehow more egregious than another when it's practically a part of the series' identity just comes off as glorifying a particular part of it for reasons other than it just being good.

    10. ThePrinceOfSaiyans

      ThePrinceOfSaiyans

      I've got better stuff to do than talk about the merits of power scaling all day, so we'll simply have to agree to disagree on most of this. I will address few points before I resign.

      "You're going to continually criticize the series for ignoring internal consistency for interesting/satisfying payoffs."

      More or less. If it isn't both internally consistent and engaging then the payoffs are not interesting or satisfying, full stop.

      "The series isn't internally consistent."

      Not completely, no. You can't really expect that when Toriyama didn't have a plan. That said, I do think the parts that aren't are poorly written. The problem I have with modern Dragon Ball is that it's significantly more vague, contradictive, and incredulous. The original run of the series had problems, plenty of them when it came to anime only stuff, but Dragon Ball Super has more numerous and more significant problems.

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