ThePrinceOfSaiyans

Man Goku has no place to say who's irresponsible or not considering this whole thing is all his fault

@Dejimon11 48 hours of tournament, if they go SSJ3, which they need to stand a chance they have 5 minutes to fight.

Btw here's a list of all options better than choosing fucking Freeza

-Future Trunks
-Goten/Trunks
-Yamcha
-Beerus dressed up as Monaka
-Monaka himself
-Mr. Satan
-Baby Pan
-Nappa
-Radditz
-Perfect Cell

8 universes were going to be wiped out anyway, but Goku inadvertently provided one of them a chance at survival, so...

Hell, Yajirobe would've been a better and ideal choice than F*CKING FRIEZA!

This is officially the stupidest thing the entire Dragon Ball series has ever done.

Period.

I don't know man, the finale of the Goku Black arc was pretty dumb.

@Ratcicle King Yamaha? LOL NO we need Jackie Chun

Also, how would they get in contact with Future Trunks without a Time Machine? Trunks took the spare one Cell left behind. Besides which, Beerus destroyed the the power source for the time machine Bulma was building in a filler episode. 

Anyone. For the love of Kami....ANYONE ELSE PLEASE!

Who the hell is writing this crap anyway?

@ThePrinceOfSaiyans Shin can use a timering, he's a Kaioshin after all, to get in touch with Trunks and ask him to come back, Gowasu was able to travel to Trunks' timeline, meaning he can use those to go to alternate timelines.

It won't even be problematic since Future Zen'O comes from the same timeline as Trunks so to complain about him would be to complain about Future Zen'O.

On a series note why not her?

Chaiotzu though!

This could be his shining moment since.....blowing himself up against Nappa.....?

Arale is easily distracted.

@Ratcicle King I guess that would work.

@Dee Dude I mean, he could try to blow himself up again, who knows, it might push someone off the arena!

Videl always has the chance to return to fighting.....

Ah who am I kidding?

Appule is the true 10th member the Z-Fighters need!

Guys it makes total sense tho'.

Whoever wins the tournament will be condemning 7 universes.

They'll have Freeza win, this way it'll all be his fault.

Watch the plot twist be that they really weren't going to destroy any universe and it was all just a test to see how much everybody can endure

I imagine Goku is going to suggest that Zeno not destroy the universes so that they can hold a tournament every X number of years. 

I just want to see Goku try to justify this, especially to all the people who don't know the universe is in danger.  It's gonna be fucking hysterical.

"yeah, but there's like 1000 million on the line man; like how many zeros is that"

Ok, as someone who never really followed this series until recently and has only seen up to where the English dub currently is... I find this entire conversation both confusing and yet absolutely hilarious at the same time.

You'll be seeing Freeza soon then.

The only reason I wouldn't want Future Trunks here is that his life will probably become somehow even more miserable, if the end of the last arc is anything to go by. Who knows, during the tournament he might contract space aids or something.

Toei is saying hold my beer.

If I remember correctly, Freiza's Japanese VA said if he could get one wish from the Dragon Balls, it that is to make Freiza a good guy ... guess someone found the Dragon Balls.

LOLOLOLOL no! After all the shit Freiza has done and is essentially the person who's responsible for all the events in the show you don't retcon shit like that.

I mean, Vegeta has killed billions and he's a reformed person, so I don't see why Freeza couldn't redeem himself, but he likely won't at this point, lol. 

Then get on with it Diamond, emulate that SHIT!

Sonic 3?

....what else am i talking about?

Well then. I hope its good.

Sonic 3 and Knuckles is the best Sonic game, period. Hell, I'd say it's the best platformer period.

I found an online version. See ya when i finish it.

Of course, it's good. I mean, you might not like how long the levels can be but the level design is actually pretty solid and the gameplay is just fun!

At its core, I think people like the game because it balances Sonic's speed, platforming and exploration perfectly for much of its runtime. It gives you opportunities to whizz by with the camera struggling to keep up but at the same time it recognises that Sonic's speed isn't just about getting from A to B but is also a tool you use to explore more of the level.

The game also puts in an awful lot of effort into making each area feel like an environment rather than a video game level. It also manages to actually tell a pretty good story without any dialogue or being intrusive. The way each level transitions into the next makes the whole thing feel like an adventure rather than a series of stages being played in a particular order.

Welp, started playing. I love it!

Also, really, 3 buttons which do the same thing? Why couldnt a button be for jumping and another one for Spin Dashing?

Every Sonic game since lacked "& Knuckles." COINCIDENCE? I THINK NOT!

Because a spindash button is for flithy casuals.

It's all a matter of simplifying to controls. You'll always know what's going to happen when you hit any button. It avoids the possibility of confusion when you're travelling at speed.

It's also to do with balancing. The spin dash is meant to be a way of getting yourself moving again but the penalty is you need to stop to use it. That's to encourage the player to put the effort into maintaining their speed and flow on their own as much as they can since you don't normally want to stop.

Welp, i died at the Eggman bridge fight.

Those bomb sounds are irritating.

Use a Fire Shield, it'll help

You're playing Sonic 3&K for the first time!?!?!?

*Grabs popcorn and giant foam fingers*

GOGOGO

Indigo, im playing a classic Sonic game for the first time

@Diamond

WHAT TOOK YOU SO LONG?

Enjoy!

Not having a console until the Wii is the reason.

Is it bad that I genuinely started chuckling when I saw that this status had seventeen replies :v

@Diamond From what I've read, it has been theorized that the classic Sonic games all use only one action button for almost every action for simplicity and as a contrast to Mario, which normally uses one button to jump and another button to run faster / use a powerup.

Depending on the character selected and if there are any shields being used, the action button alone can be used for:

- Jumping

- Insta-Shield

- Flying

- Gliding

- Air Dash (Flame Shield)

- Bouncing (Bubble Shield)

- Double Jump (Lightning Shield)

And when used with a directional input, you can do the Spin Dash (down) or Super Peel-Out (up).

It's worth noting Sonic 3D did change things up (A and C allowed you to jump, while B allowed you to roll when moving or spindash when standing still), but that's because of it's isometric design.

Personally I don't think it's too much of a problem until you get the Chaos / Super Emeralds, in which an accidental double jump causes you to transform. I will give Sonic 4 a very token acknowledgement of improvement by mapping Super transformations to a different button.

If they did make a new classic Sonic though, I wouldn't mind another button put up for use, at least regarding special actions with shields.

The Super Peel Out is a CD thing, not a 3&K thing.

Is the Super Peel Out the 8 running sprite?

Yep. Sonic CD only tho

(and triple trouble)

yes

I know, I'm just highlighting the uses of it.

*It being the action button + d-pad.

Yes.

They revealed the name of the guy who created the badly done walkthrough they were using.

People started doxxing him.

They made a mistake by name-dropping someone and that person got doxxed.

They took it down to edit that part out and have already made an apology on Reddit.

It's not anything "hue hue" worthy.

Well, from what I can gather, Arin was insulting the guy who made the walkthrough he was using because it didn't tell him where the Emerald shards were. 

I don't watch Game Grumps, but I'm curious what happened.

Oh yeah, and they name dropped the guy who made the walkthrough. Thanks -Virtual Tiger Ike-. 

EDIT: Oh, didn't see what you said.

Also, aren't the Emerald Shards randomized?

Ho boy

Edit: oh, right, that

@Zaysho, yeah, they are, but Arin hasn't figured that out yet. 

... Well, way to go, Arin.

Considering Knuckles's radar ISN'T broken in SA1, it shouldn't be THAT hard to find the shards, or he could just use the hint balls since there's no score penalty like in SA2.

But wait, this game requires some effort to play, it's clearly shit.

SIIIIIIIIIGHHHHHH

I prefer SA2's treasure hunting solely because you can drill from the air.

Arin isn't that bad of a gamer if you give everything he needs to know right out in front of him; just look at how far he got in the Nintendo World Championships. It's just... he isn't very intuitive, to say the least.

The drillin' is fun. 

@Ike: Actually, I think Knuckles controls a bit better in SA2. The radar is just more of an inconvenience.

This is why I despise Arin so much.

He's not only loud, vulgar, and constantly placing himself on such a high pedestal: he's also a massive JERK.

Yeah he does control better. It's been a while since I played either game though, so I don't remember much about the radar itself.

> Mfw everyone and their mother uses "broken" to discribe something they don't like

@Forte I don't think he was trying to get the guy doxxed????

Ike, Arin should know the consequences of calling someone on the Internet out like that, especially someone with as many toady fans as him.

Even if the guy wasn't doxxed, for Arin to call him out because he himself doesn't understand how the game works- or, more accurately, doesn't care enough to do minimum research on a game before playing it-  makes him look like an arrogant douchebag.

@Deleter: Fair enough. Should I have said a step down?

With regards to this Arin guy, he just sounds like an idiot that needs something to complain about. I don't understand why he's getting so much attention still.

Yee. It's just that I've been seeing the term being thrown around everywhere lately. Don't mean to be rude; it's just something that I think needs adressing nowadays. : P

Also I feel I should bring up that Arin referring to him isn't all exaggerated hatred and contempt. He says the name of the guy, says the description which is basically "dedicated to *sweetheart* for *sweet saying*", then reads the post date which was like nine years ago, and then they say "I wonder if he ever got together with her?" and they both go awww

Idk maybe it's worth nothing but I don't think the episode was that bad

Him getting mad that there are emeralds in enemies still, now that's ridiculous

I just see it as people taking it too seriously but

Taking what seriously? The doxxing? 

No, his hatred of Sonic.

I'm just getting tired of hearing all about how bad of a person he is, really. It's draining.

The video is back, here it is if anyone wants to see it:

They replaced the guy's name with Pizza :D. 

Seen this meme so much and I don't know what it's trying to say. It took the Wii u its entire lifespan to accrue that library, and nearly half of those switch games are new and in the first year. Also all the ports are at worst graphically enhanced, at best much expanded like mk8d.

The problem is the Switch is being praised as though it's hot shit, yet doesn't currently have a ton of original content worth buying. I like the thing conceptually, but I still only own one exclusive for the thing. 

So one console's stellar lineup that it slowly built up to across it's 5 year life overpowers it's more successful successor's lineup that is being built within 1 1/2 years?

That being said, I do agree that it feels like anyone who buys Wii U are being punished for supporting a dead console. Nintendo needs to work some serious magic at this E3, if they want to keep their lucky streak going.

@ThePrinceOfSaiyans I mean, people were willing to eat up the XBONE and the PS4 back at their launches and they had literally nothing worth actually owning so I can't really say this is all that surprising. To the switches benefit, even though it is mostly ports right now, at least they are good games from a generally good first party line up so I don't mind (though, if they pull more of the same crap that they did with DK:TF I might revoke that last statement).

Really? I mean yeah it hasn't got as big a roster of exclusives as PS4 but it has only been out a year and in that time we've had Odyssey, Arms, Splatoon 2, Xenoblade 2, Kirby, plus cross gen BOTW. Plus it's got a much stronger base of 3rd party support. That's a dream year for any console let alone at launch. It kinda is hot shit.

Admittedly I don't like Arms at all but some do

I'd argue Odyssey is the only exclusive worth getting, but that's me. 

Fairs. I would try Xenoblade but it's a timesink game which... Well, I don't have the time for lol.

They're both currently failures to me because neither of them have a Kid Icarus game.

See the difference is one failed and one didn’t. Can’t change that no matter how much you personally don’t see it’s worth. On top of that, Wii U had shit marketing which confused customers and lack of grabbing appeal to the major audiences.

The point is being missed is that the Switch at the moment is not looking to please Wii U owners who bought the Switch as well.

It's looking to please thoses Wii owners who they lost after the Wii U came out. Myself included.

That's why all these Wii U games are getting ported to give them new life again to those people they lost.

Sonic Mania

Wii U: [  ]

Switch: [X] 

I rest my case

Clearly whoever made this picture hasn't been on enthusiast sites (like ERA) enough. There's a handful of complaints about the Switch's library being a sea of ports; especially so after the last Nintendo Direct from March (and by ports, I'm referring to both ports of existing Wii U games and ports of third-party games that have come out on other platforms a year or so after the fact).

@MegasonicZX tbf those systems had games guaranteed to come to them via 3rd parties regardless of launch, so there was still not that much fear regarding lack of games unlike, say, the vita or Wii U, which didn’t have much in its 3rd party support, and what it did get was rarely advertised. Plus PS4 had a good stream of indie games to keep people’s attention until the next big exclusive. A model Microsoft and Nintendo adopted 

Relevant:

@Strickerx5 You basically consider all consoles that are not NES, Game Boy, and 3DS failures because they don't have KI games. You have the right to remain silent

@SupahBerryNah, those consoles get a pass because they were not enlightened by Sakurai's masterpiece at the time.

These two have no excuses.

@Rusty Spy Supporting/alternative argument:

Sonic Boom: Rise of Lyric

Wii U: [X]

Switch: [   ]

Case re-closed.

(I still like my Wii U though ;_;)

I mean, no one bought a Wii U. I guess you can be salty about it, but it's not surprising that they'd try to sell their Wii U games to an actual audience.

Virtual Console

Wii U: [X]

Switch: [  ]

I rest my case.

@Tails spinI bought a Wii U, and I'm actually far more pleased with Switch than I was my Wii U. It's just better than the Wii U due to it actually doing the gimmick far better. And games that are ported generally have extras or better graphics and performance. I, for one, can't wait for Hyrule Warriors Definitive because it's the 3DS game that doesn't look and run like ass, along with the second season pass.

Yeah in all seriousness, as someone who has brought both systems at release, I have no problem in saying that the Switch has had a better first year than the entire lifespan of the Wii U and deserves the praise it's getting. Yeah, a lot of it is due to the leg work the Wii U did but that still doesn't change the fact that the output of games is far better than the first two years the Wii U was out and that it's actually succeeding with its gimmick to boot.

While I still think the Switch is a tablet with a slightly dated mobile gpu, it's still far more ahead of the curve than the Wii U was when it came out. Again, the Wii U was doing something that the other two big names had been doing for the better part of the decade at that point. As much as I harp on Nintendo and their low powered tech, at least they're capturing a market with the Switch that the other two simply weren't touching which, imo, is a smart move when you're that behind.

Add in that there are still quite a few games coming (simply going off the ones we know of) and, which really can't be stressed enough here, the system is still less than a year and a half old and simply put, it's no wonder that the Wii U has been left in the dust. Sucks for those with a Wii U (especially people who waited a bit for it), but that's just how business works.

The Switch has a better library than the Wii U ever got in general but that's because it has support from 3rd parties, some who never had a game on a Nintendo console before such as Milestone. This alone means that it got more racing games that the Wii U ever got (just an improved version of Need for Speed Most Wanted, Mario Kart 8 where you must buy the DLC otherwise you get a barebones game and Fast Racing Neo). Ironically Ubisoft who supported the Wii U until it got dropped off hasn't supported the Switch very well (e.g. Steep got cancelled, no Far Cry 5/Assassin's Creed Origins), similar thing for WB. Even EA hasn't done much on the Switch and so far even the Wii U got more games from them and that says something. I still wait a bit for more games and the cost to go down before getting a Switch. By the way, I tried to support the Wii U as best as I could, felt like a wasted effort... The Wii U does have games that the Switch won't get such as the Mario platformers and Tokyo Mirage Sessions.

About the ports, a good thing for people who haven't played the games before but a bad thing for those who have the original game with some exceptions (e.g. Mario Ksrt 8 Deluxe is the version that should have been released). At least the Switch is getting a selected amount of ports rather than the PS4/Xbox One where it feels like its getting a "remaster" every month, now those feel like port machines with a couple of exclusives/online only games with PS4 at least still getting some Japanese developed games such as Yakuza. Even that was on the Wii U but sadly wasn't released in the West...

I'm personally torn. Sonic 3 is an original experience, but Sonic Mania cuts away a lot of the fat seen in the classics. 

Sonic 3

Sonic 3

Sonic 2

Sonic 3 still has 25 years of fandom love behind it, so it'll be pretty hard for anything to ever top it. It's the same for any game that becomes the quintessential experience of a series.

Mania, if it had more original levels. Otherwise, Sonic 3&K/3 Complete.

for those saying sonic 3 (most of you lol), i'm curious as to why?

More originality, Knuckles' levels have more significant usage of his abilities in 3 beyond just Mirage Saloon Act K, Flying Battery was better designed in 3, a more fulfilling climax/ending, to name a few.

Of course Mania comes very close, and that's a hell of an achievement for a fan developed game seeking to live up to the reputation of a predecessor with two decades of hype fueling the desire for a faithful follow-up.

I honestly can’t answer that as I find both games fantastic and blew me away at the time of their respective reveals and releases. Mind you this is coming from a predominantly  Modern Sonic fan...

Let me get back to you as I seriously need to think about this. 

@Maxtiis those are very good points, though i'm not sure about flying battery. i think the original has more mechanics and setpieces that kinda waste your time, while mania's version is faster paced and more interesting to me as a result

Mania's takes me about 6-7 minutes to beat just act 2, whereas I can finish 3's in at least 4, but that's just me. The wind just gets on my nerves a bit and the boss's hitbox is just odd.

Unleash-Hic. 'Scuse me.

honestly i don't think i could choose. both are great, but in slightly different ways.

though if the question was "which would i want to play right now", it'd be mania, just because of how much more time i've already put into 3&K. even the best games can't be played endlessly.

Sonic 3

Sonic 3.

Outside of its originality, it's just the more complete game. For the time, it was actually pushing the industry forward in every aspect and was simply a well made, fun game at its heart.

Mania is certainly good and I still believe that it's first 4 acts are downright the best showing of the classic formula to date but after that... everything else just falls flat for me (besides the music). The later levels fall into the same basic pitfalls seen in other classic titles from years back. It basically being a level compilation doesn't help it. There is virtually no story to speak of. And, while it can't be helped, it doesn't have Sonic 3's credit of actually being technically outstanding for the time.

Though, this is coming from someone who is always going to be more Modern focused than anything so take this as you will.

Sonic Mania has better level design than Sonic 3 IMO and the Drop Dash is a godsend. If I didn't dislike the bosses in Mania so much It'd probably be even.

Sonic 3. Mania didn't keep my attention long, Sonic 3 gets me back every once in a while.

Sonic 3. Not even a contest.

I don't know... From what I hear from everyone, Mania surpassed Sonic 3K and is the best Sonic game. So be it I guess.

To me, Mania has the better art and level design, and for some, gameplay is everything. To me, Mania lacks in setting, structure, and the experience as a whole. Mania felt way too artificial to me, is hard to explain, but I can't help but feel disappointed about the way the game feels.

Is too much of a "party feel", it has no feel of adventure like Sonic 3K and even Sonic 1 did. The stage selection feels disjointed,  the fact that the reused stages changed enough for some, not for me, specially Act 1 of most of them. I was hoping for more changes to it, like Hydrocity for example was an insane disappointment in the first time I played it. I was dreaming about how a Act 2 would have changed, and at the end... It barely changed. It made me see that despite the insane hype surrounding it, it wasn't for me. Meanwhile it surpassed everyone else's expectations.

I learned that I look forward about things that others don't. What is small details for some, to me is crucial. I was looking forward to the feel that Sonic 3K had, for the insane hype from the reveal to be justified, to feel nostalgic with everyone else and "feel the magic". I didn't see it. I still don't. And it just got worse because people treat it like the second coming of Christ. It makes me very upset that I do not see the big deal.

Sonic 3K is just a game has almost everything on point. Like... Every section is well made. Mania surpasses some sections but heavily downgrades others. (Example Sonic 3K has great level design and great feel of adventure. Mania has near perfect level design and zero feel of adventure for me.)

Sure, is nostalgia... But Sonic Mania wasn't for those fans of Sonic 3K in specific? What happend to me though? What I was expecting? lol

I still hope for a Mania 2 to change that. A smaller game with fully original stages and a more solid setting and structure is all I ask for.

Phew, that's a book.

There aren't enough Mystery Dungeons.

it's an rpg

Probably recently mega evolutions and z moves. 

... and on another note of recalling "the good old days" I would have to say that I miss a more innocent time before I knew or cared about EV training.... 😕 it's really ruined the single player experience for me, because now all I'm thinking of when I catch a Pokemon is "gotta get all the effort values where I want them before I continue onward."

I'm surprised people bother with effort values during the main game. Natures I understand, but effort values seem like overkill with how overpowered the experience share is already. I worry about effort values, egg moves, and IVs post game, and that's only if the generation's meta is fun. I haven't done a ton of breeding this generation because of how bad the meta is.

No Staduim 3.

As a casual, it felt like the same shit each time so I kinda just got bored. Well Mystery Dungeon was the same, but had a story I could enjoy.

Metagame sucked the fun out of it for me

There are others but that one really comes to my mind

No games with more than one region after Gen 2 (then again I started with Gen 2 so I got spoiled into feeling like every game should have more than one)

also a lot of it feeling sanitized and toned down after gen 5, and every character being super friendly at all times, etc

Also, Gen 3's Battle Frontier was far superior than any attempt that followed in my opinion.

So many options...

it's boring. Never got into it as a kid, and when I tried one of the games when I was a little older I just got sick of it really fast.

Competitive. Pokemon should abolish it altogether. Pokemon has always been a series about "winning with your favourites, using only strong pokemon is shallow" so to have a metagame that is that is the complete opposite of that is kinda bad.

This is what made Let's Go fun. They got rid of the nonsense and focused on making the game more relaxing to play and less frustrating.

You can't avoid some Pokemon being better than others. That holds true even for Let's Go.

Gen1ers or claiming any design past the original 151 is shit when Gen 1 didn't look that great design wise either.

Gen 1 was a mess.

gen 2 is superior

fite me

Ash Ketchum.

also they need to finally fix that confusing back and forth when its time for a pokemon to learn a new move

also also, let me deposit and withdraw pokemons within the same options menu

@Ferno Ever use the Move option in these games? Its so much better.

Oh as a side note, remakes of games like FR/LG and Let's Go not having evolutions to Pokemon available to use in any way. Onix, Golbat, and Scyther aren't great until they evolve.

Introducing and dropping things every generation, damn near annual releases, gating off useful features like move tutors to whatever immediate third version or sequel or alternate telling (since we've got all three accounted for at this point), battle facilities, while a nice idea (and actually give me ideas for teams now and then), are a real slog if you play more casually and you just want to learn new moves or get the useful items (Battle Tree did address this somewhat, but it can be kind of a pain). The last one kind of amuses me because money is fucking worthless in these games by the time you reach the postgame and I think that'd be a better option. I would also like to see more postgame challenges and areas to explore. A second gym challenge, if not a whole new region, would be great.

no

If showing 2 games and no system to play them on is winning then sure.

I'm more hyped for a single game than everything Sony showed, so that's winning to me, I guess. 

maybe.

That maybe a win for you but that's incredible sad.

and by the looks of it the only NEW game announcement is another Mario Party game.

...how is that sad? Someone has preferences that are different from yours and so that's sad? 

If Zelda looks more interesting to them, there's nothing bad about that. You can still enjoy your Sony 

Lol I love this.

Nobody even mentioned any other company. Yet we have two cases of 'well Sony'.

Tails remarked at Prince liking Zelda more than anything Sony showed, saying that's "sad". Which is a dumb thing to say as you're belittling someone's personal preferences. If you liked Sony more than what Nintendo is showing, good for you, but there's nothing "sad" about preferring Zelda and Pokemon to an entire conference, which tbh, wasn't even all that amazing this year.

So don't sarcastically act like nobody was doing anything to spark what I said 

that's putting words in my mouth I sad nowhere in my sentence anything pertaining to Sony. Nor the fact that he likes Zelda. All I said was that he thinks Nintendo won cuz he likes what he saw. I on the other hand don't share that feeling since I wanted to see more game announcements.

And to add to that. I don't even own any Sony consoles so what your saying: " enjoy your Sony" doesn't even matter to me.

The Sony bit was pulled from Prince, to which you responded to his comparison of the two shows. 

Your just cutting it off at that point there. I clearly go on to talk about Nintendo only announcing another Mario Party game.

...but what you said there doesn't counter or make better the part I quoted specifically, nor have anything to do with it. Again, why is it sad? Seriously answer that. Why is it sad what he said that he feels that way?

He said a single game was more interesting than an entire show, to which you say is sad. Why?

Dude seriously get off my fucking back. I have nothing against his liking of the game or thinking that they won. What else do you want from me?

I don't think they won. Which is what I think is incredibly sad that they didn't announce anything else.

So if it makes you fucking happy, my sentence was not a complete thought at that moment.

Are you happy now.

You're point or whatever it is you were arguing simply didn't translate well in the text, simple as that. I'm not mad or anything, but using "sad" simply just isn't a good way to express what you meant as it is usually a term used to negatively associate someone's idea or opinion. Calm down 

Can you guys stop? Who the fuck cares who likes what.

I'm not arguing about who likes what...I literally said like whatever you want. 

Are you serious?!

Yeah, the fucking Joy Cons cost 79.99, and the Pro-controller cost 69.99.

@Dee Dude A Joy Con (just one!) costs $50. The Pro Controller costs $70.

I wish I was making this up.

you have to pay $50 for half a controller

just

what the fuck

Well, I guess I'm not playing with friends, cuz I'm not spending that much on a fucking controller.

DO. NOT. LOSE. THOSE. CONTROLLERS.

As a PS4 owner I know have that feels

*slightly opens wallet* thanks nintendo

So, we have a $300 system, $69-79 controllers, and a paid online service. I'm a broke-ass college student, man. This is gonna hurt.

And you don't get a game included with the system.

So nearly $500.

Good lord......

Wait, I thought it came with the game console..

Oh yeah and you also need to pay for a mobile app to do shit which should be free.

2 Joycons do, yes.

that they're even doing the communication shit through a fucking app is asinine

No wonder the guy at the start of the Switch reveal trailer had such a big fancy house, he could afford all that.

Looks alright but I really wish they'd stop rehashing the entire anime's plot verbatim. It's incredibly tired and stale and it's only gotten more glaring every time they do it.

I mean, it's been half a decade since they've retold the story, and all these "original stories" have kinda sucked anyway, so it doesn't bother me in the slightest. 

The DBZ story- THIS TIME IN *insert console gen here* GRAPHICS

On the one hand, it looks interesting, but on the other... yeah, it does seem to be another "Raditz to Buu, maybe some Super or GT, what the fuck is an OG Dragon Ball" game.

Lookin an awful lot like Xenoverse 3 there.

I'll be nice to have a DBZ game akin to the new one piece game far as it's own little contained plot or whatever

Looks pretty neat so far.  Gotta see some more gameplay footage

Eh, looks pretty meh so far if I'm being honest. Outside of being glad that they're sticking to Fighterz's way of rendering out the characters, I'm still not really sold on anything else.

Especially with this being yet another retread of Z. Look, I get it, the few original stories they have tried for these games haven't been hits (though I don't care what anyone says, I still want 21 in the new series don't@me) but this is the same way I feel about things when it comes to Sonic. They ain't going to get better if they stop trying. It has not been that long since they retold the story and there are only so many more times I can sit through the same scenes getting played out but with a new coat of paint before the impact of it all dulls out completely.

i cant wait to see GOKU-*boom* for the million time

The original video games stories won't improve. Dragon Ball Super itself is struggling to tell engaging stories. The video games don't have a chance as far as I'm concerned. 

Dear lord, I just realized something too. This is a gd rpg... This is probably going to be substantially longer than your average game.

You're telling me that there's going to be next to nothing new in a story for a game like this? ... yikes

@ThePrinceOfSaiyansAgain, rather them keep trying than just fall back on the same story for the dozenth time which, in itself, wasn't perfect.

It wasn't perfect, but it's leaps and bounds better than these attempts to shake things up. They can keep trying all they want. I don't have faith in their ability to improve, especially when games are about the game, not the story. 

@ThePrinceOfSaiyansLeaving out my usual "I'd rather have the complete package rather than just one part of it in a $60 game. No matter how important that one part is" stance, this is an rpg. I'd argue that story is still... pretty vital in this case.

Okay but hear me out here: DBZ is three decades old.

People have always been engaged in Dragon Ball more for the fights and the setpiecing more than the plot itself, and I don't think there's any shame in admitting that even if it would be a welcome bonus - and that being said, we've literally seen all of this shit before. It's really hard to get invested in stuff when you already know how it ends, and moments that were once iconic in the sphere of anime have just been milked to death to the point that I think you can accurately make Green Hill parallels now.

Ultimate Tenkaichi might have been a huge dumpster fire overall, but the way Hero Mode utilized the existing characters was a huge breath of fresh air and it's honestly a crying shame that it didn't happen in a better game. We need more of that.

Eh, I'm gonna need to see some statistics when you start throwing around assertions like "people care more about the fighting than the story telling."

I don't have any problems getting invested in the Star Wars original trilogy despite seeing it a hundred times. It's also been 5 years since we've experienced the original story in an era where we've experienced Super and these new game stories, so for ME this is a breath of fresh air. Years of crap and I finally get something tried and true.

...considering the Shonen archetypes that DB practically pioneered I honestly can't tell if you're being serious with this.

I honestly found it a little jarring that he didn't glow gold like literally EVERYONE else.

Was Tails gold? He just flashes, so I can't really tell. Then again, I suppose Knuckles just flashes too, so he appears pink.

His super form in Sonic 2 has a lot more white in it than Sonic's (and indeed, it is mostly just flashing), but there's a noticeable hint of gold in the flashing.

Wait, Tails can turn Super in Sonic 2?

Yes.  Or am I thinking of Sonic 3?

STOP CONFUSING ME.

Ages ago I read an article which said Tails wanted a green super form in Sonic 2  

I think green works for Knuckles because green is red's compliment. If Tails were to change color, I'm not sure what'd work best. Light blue, maybe?

@Tara

Except Blaze is powered by the Sol Emeralds.  Different thing.

and Knuckles is powered by Super Emeralds :U

No, he's not (unless you're talking about Archie, which I'm not).  He collects the Chaos Emeralds in Sonic 2 and Sonic 3+K just like Sonic and Tails do. XD

Only Tails needs the power of the Super Emeralds to turn Super. Knuckles can go Super and Hyper.

And also the Super Emeralds aren't even considered canon in the games (and as far as I'm aware, the monicker "Super Emerald" is a fan-made term, otherwise there's no canonical reason to believe they're any different than the main seven Emeralds).

@Tara

I refer you to my previous statement.

Well, other than the fact they're freaking huge, and the ones we know aren't. 

I don't know why you bother

the system has been broken from a mechanical standpoint since the Saiyan arc, and broken from a narrative standpoint since the Red Ribbon arc

modern DB is just more blatant in not giving a shit when Z half-assedly tried to bullshit around making any sense

I disagree vehemently. Yeah, not much thought went into power scaling, but that's because not much thought needed to go into it. It was straight forward in how it approached hierarchy. Sure, there was some gray area, but the whole, the hierarchy was easy to understand. Modern Dragon Ball doesn't make a lick of sense because it's introduced 2 new types of Ki and a Goku who absorbed Super Saiyan God, yet can still use Super Saiyan God? It's a total mess, so much so that writers for the show are outright contradicting themselves on Twitter. This wasn't a problem in the original run, and it's not because the writers had a concrete understanding of the scale, it was because the scale wasn't convoluted like it is in modern Dragon Ball. 

It was definitely a problem in the original run. From the first point that Goku arbitrarily became "stronger" and won a fight even though he received no new information or any change in approach, it's been like this. The "convoluted scale" isn't the issue, the entire nature of power progression in the series has been fucked for decades. Modern DB's inconsistency with the original series is a guaranteed result of trying to fix the progression issues of Z with different power sets and more of a tier-based approach. Otherwise you just hear more gigantic numbers read out even though every fight looks the same.

Better argument: Toriyama obviously never cared, the anime staff never cared, so why the hell should we?

And here's the answer: Because Goku's entire motivation is about power progression. I find this "oh power levels don't matter" nonsense to be genuinely fascinating. Like, how do people attain this mindset without snapping their spines bending over backward trying to justify such a perspective? Combat is defined by power levels in this series, and conflicts are resolved through combat. Even removing Goku's motivation from the equation, there needs to be a clear hierarchy to establish stakes and tension, which the original franchise was able to do. Modern Dragon Ball has been a tensionless snoozefest in part because of how power scaling is handled, although, I attribute that moreso to the gods, who claim to be neutral, yet keep fixing whatever problems Goku and Vegeta create. 

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 I find this "oh power levels don't matter" nonsense to be genuinely fascinating. Like, how do people attain this mindset without snapping their spines bending over backward trying to justify such a perspective?

Because it's about the story, and not the numbers and comparisons and shit? A story where everything is rigidly stuck in absolute definition of ability is one that's completely predictable and boring. Dragon Ball has constantly, constantly set and broken rules for itself since it's inception because otherwise it's a terrible story. This is why Tenshinhan can hold back Cell. It's why Krillin can cut off Frieza's tail, why saiyans from U6 can unlock transformations as fast as Goten and Trunks. It's because if everything worked by these same rules, the Tournament of Power would have been 1 minute of Goku one-shotting every single other enemy and 47 minutes of Jiren battle. That's a terrible fucking story.

I mean, Dragon Ball has already been poorly-written for years, having actual twists and turns to the narrative is just trying to keep it from getting worse. Pro-Power Levels is pro-predictability.

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Combat is defined by power levels in this series, and conflcits are solved through combat.

In the later parts of Dragon Ball and most of Z, this is partially true. In much of early Dragon Ball combat is defined by strategy and wit. Krillin didn't beat Bacterian by farting on him because his fart stat was at the correct level to purchase the "mustard gas" perk from the skill tree. Super is desperately trying to shuffle and work around these limitations, and while I'll certainly say it does so clumsily, it's Z's fault because we were only ever told a given character was stronger, when all of the fights look and move pretty much exactly the same. I'd much rather see a series try to fix things than wallow around in boring numbers land.

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there needs to be a clear hierarchy to establish stakes and tension, which the original franchise was able to do.

That's not something you need arbitrary numbers or broken scaling to do. Take JoJo or My Hero Academia One Piece for example. Not all of their villains are physically superhuman, but their unique abilities (and most importantly their understanding of those abilities) are what allow them to rise to the top, but anyone is capable of taking them down with the right approach and the right counter. This makes the story unpredictable, something Dragon Ball constantly has to sidestep with some old guy trapped in a sword, some magic water or an elder Namek. Basically all of Super's oh-so-heinous scaling issues could be solved with a plot device like this, and what that thing is is basically meaningless. So if what it is, when they get it or how it works doesn't matter, does the fact that it's not there and they just happened to get rid of a rule that limited the storytelling from being interesting matter all that much?

And what rules are being broken when Tenshinhan can down Cell with a technique like the Shin Kikoho, or Kuririn removing Freeza's tail with the Kienzan, or U6 Saiyans unlocking Super Saiyan as quickly as Goten and Trunks did? Seriously, why can't fans of Super defend Super on its own merits instead of trying to find fault with the original series to justify Super's shitty writing? You've basically conceded my point and are trying to justify why Super is different, even though it really isn't. Power still matters, things are just too vague, unearned power ups are more frequent, and there are now blatant inconsistencies. 

Also, regarding My Hero Academia specifically, there's still a scale, it's just not defined solely by power. Some quirks have the advantage over others. Dragon Ball's scale is defined by power, which is why maintaining a hierarchy matters. 

And no, that's a loaded question. I don't find Dragon Ball adhering to the rules it has set up to be inherently boring. It's all about presentation. 

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Seriously, why can't fans of Super defend Super on its own merits instead of trying to find fault with the original series to justify Super's shitty writing? 

Because it's all shitty writing. It's been broken from the start, so why single out Super? It's like blaming GT for you not liking Goku's hairstyle or something. Goku's hair has always looked like that. The scale's always been broken.

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You've basically conceded my point and are trying to justify why Super is different, even though it really isn't. Power still matters, things are just too vague, unearned power ups are more frequent, and there are now blatant inconsistencies. 

because vagueness and inconsistency are all that can fester in a universe where nothing works correctly in the first place if you want an actually-entertaining narrative. And inconsistency with Z isn't necessarily a bad thing when it's rectifying a mistake, which is what all power levels are.

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Also, regarding My Hero Academia specifically, there's still a scale, it's just not defined solely by power. Some quirks have the advantage over others.

And some don't, but can win anyway, because the people using them understand and apply their abilities better. Something Dragon Ball used to do, and is trying to get back to, because when it stopped doing that, it was bland as hell.

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I don't find Dragon Ball adhering to the rules it has set up to be inherently boring. It's all about presentation. 

Well that's obviously on you then, but if everything is "A is always stronger than B but weaker than C" then it means that any possible combination of A, B and C is going to end the exact same way. It's completely predictable and boring. Having unique powersets or straight-up changing how things work is the only way to make that into a more engaging encounter. Z did this by just shoving Gohan up the scale via old men and rage boosts, Super does some of that but occasionally just skips the explanation because it's stuck in a series where the only meaningful way to show someone is stronger is that they win, and not because they're actually any more clever or nuanced in the way they handle a battle.

"It was always shitty, lol."

That's the typical response of a Super fan, yup. It's not that Super is shitty, it's that everything was always shitty. You don't do yourself, or the series your defending any favors by conceding that this franchise was always poorly written. 

Except it hasn't been broken from the start. You keep saying that without providing reasons for that assertion. It made sense, it was consistent. If you're trying to assert that bloat made it a total mess, I can't even agree with that because we still understood where characters stood in relation to one another. Super can't even give us that much. If it did, I'd be much more forgiving, even if we did still get shit like Super Saiyan Fury.

Trying to get back to its roots? I must have missed the part where Goku and Vegeta are pretty much the only contributing players. Even in a tournament setting, the lesser characters only get the fodder. What's more, it was still mostly about power. Some strategy was there, but power won the day, and well, teamwork. 

No, it's on you that you don't like how the original series was handled. A series shouldn't change how it works to appease people who didn't like it in the first place. That's backwards, doc. 

Anyway, I'm done. If you wanna make one last response, be my guest, but I was just trying to provide a quick laugh, not start a debate about the merits of power scaling. 

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"It was always shitty, lol."

That's the typical response of a Super fan, yup. It's not that Super is shitty, it's that everything was always shitty. You don't do yourself, or the series your defending any favors by conceding that this franchise was always poorly written. 

Besides the total ad-hominem at play here, the simple fact is that almost every problem Super has is a continuation of problems started by the original series. You know when people tell you this it's not because "man look at all these IDIOTS who like something I don't", it's because it's actually a valid statement. There's no reason to single Super out in the sea of poor choices this franchise has made. 

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Except it hasn't been broken from the start. You keep saying that without providing reasons for that assertion. It made sense, it was consistent.

 It didn't, actually. There were plenty of massive plot devices and rewrites just to keep *some* characters on the same level, and even then it didn't always work.

Better argument, "consistency" doesn't mean shit when things suck as hard as this. I cannot give a fuck if things are consistent when what's being changed actually makes things more entertaining. When your setting is toxic to the point that you can predict the outcome of every battle and only the characters the writer allows to get meaningless boosts in power, you change your setting. It doesn't matter if it's consistent, it's better. You wouldn't berate Sonic 2 and 3 for not having the spike bug.

Z was a frustrating bore-fest in it's later arcs for how useless the cast and characters I grew to love were. While you're busy jerking off the "Super only has Goku and Vegeta do anything" rhetoric, Goku and Vegeta were the literal only people that actually ended up damaging Buu, and only in the last 10 chapters for that matter. Everything every other fighter did could be irrelevant, relegated to time-killing filler. Mister Satan had more of an influence than Gotenks or Gohan.

Akira Toriyama is a bad writer. This is known, most people (myself included) can look past it because his series and characters are fun, nothing Super does wrong is specific to it (okay, the Whis/Beerus stuff I'll give you, but still), simply a further result of the same problems that have been eating away at the series for decadees.

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If you're trying to assert that bloat made it a total mess, I can't even agree with that because we still understood where characters stood in relation to one another. Super can't even give us that much.

Again, that's not where the issue lies. It doesn't matter because they never should have been using this straight vertical method of character strength in the first place. It has little to do with Super, because by your own logic, all Super would need to do to "fix" a character being stronger than they should is spend five minutes on some bullshit never-before-seen plot device to power up the characters by an arbitrary meaningless number and then the scale just "works". It's completely asinine. The only solution to the issue is revising how the scale itself works. Better argument: someone suddenly being way more powerful than expected is a twist this series has pulled constantly and consistently for thirty years. A better argument is that, again, "understanding where characters stand in relation to one another" is the essence of making things too predictable. I don't want a series where I know the beats of every character's role in every fight before they happen. I want to see Krillin and Piccolo do stuff again, I want to see more technique-based fighting like Roshi showed off in the ToP, it's good for Dragon Ball because it isn't repetitive angry-faced number battles.

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Trying to get back to its roots? I must have missed the part where Goku and Vegeta are pretty much the only contributing players. Even in a tournament setting, the lesser characters only get the fodder. What's more, it was still mostly about power. Some strategy was there, but power won the day, and well, teamwork. 

That's why I said "trying", even if this statement is full of brash generalization and rhetoric anyway.

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No, it's on you that you don't like how the original series was handled. A series shouldn't change how it works to appease people who didn't like it in the first place. That's backwards, doc. 

"It's on you that you don't like how Super is handled. A series shouldn't change how it works to appease people who didn't like it in the first place."

Hey big question, why do you think Dragon Ball moved to being less about gags and more about martial arts and battles? Man, it certainly doesn't have anything to do with how much more popular it suddenly got, and I definitely think all those new fans were just hearing about it for the first time, reeeeeaaaallllyyyy.

I  can't believe you're actually criticizing a series' writing while simulatneously telling me to stop not settling for shitty writing.

Welp, you've had your say. I'm going to continue my day. 

Great, I hope you learn to think a little harder about whether the rules you want for a series are actually in the interest of making something good.

Man, I really struck a nerve, didn't I? I'm fine with how it's structured. If it bothers you, all I can say is go watch something else. 

He said, continuing to watch and complain about Super.

Well, that probably won't continue to be fair. No point in consuming something I don't like, and know won't improve. 

You've had 130 episodes and a movie to jump ship.

*131, and believe me, I was contemplating jumping ship well before it finished. By the end of the Future Trunks arc, I was already considering it. I figured I'd just ride the Tournament of Power out, given it was the final arc.

i like it and i miss when they did openings and endings too

made it all feel like a complete english package

They don't even do that anymore, do they? I thought it died with DBZ Kai.

pretty much, DBZ Kai and One Piece were the last ones I knew about atleast.

Nah, if anything I wish they would do that more. 

There's just something amazing about hearing an already great theme sung in your own language, imo. (though it has to be done well of course, etc.)

In two weeks we’ll know if they still dub insert songs as there’s a DBS episode(the Dr Slump crossover) airing on Toonami that has an insert song in it

I won't lie, I really loved the One Piece OPs in English and the EDs. I don't trust people that don't think "We Are" was good in English. (/troll - joking, kinda)

I know in the past Funimation did other anime like Case Closed (Detective Conan) and that had good English OPs/EDs... But yeah, I liked their efforts but don't feel it to be a giant loss that they no longer dub OPs/EDs anymore. 

fuk it, while we gushin' an all I like these too:

Good English versions exist, but I'm a bit of a purist, especially when bad English versions can and do exist. 

God dang it Ferno, now I want to listen to Yu Yu's opening again D : <

Legit had me shook earlier when he dropped Yu Yu dubbed music. 

I feel like the child in me reawakens whenever I hear that song, god bless your sweet heart fletch

also I guess since case closed was mentioned

God I miss stuff like this so much.

Bonus (even though its not anime lol)

Hearing the case closed/ detective conan stuff brings me back to like summer 2005 as a kid when I'd be up until 6am watching Adult Swim. very nostalgic.

also wow this is the FIRST time I've heard the opening and endings in full, as adult swim always cut them very short.

I also remember this creepy thing right after, before CN would go live again

LORDY. I still love Case Closed first ending song, especially in English. So nostalgic to listen to it (I need to catch up in the manga, I'm like on chapter 902 or something).

YOOOOOOOO. I REMEMBER THAT BUMP. MAN, ADULT SWIM HAD SOME CRAZY GOOD (and creepy/weird like that) BUMPS BACK THEN. The newer bumps for Toonami are good, but stuff for Adult Swim nowadays are kinda eh? 

2005 era probably had the best bumps tbh. 

I'm so sorry that we hijacked your thread @ThePrinceOfSaiyans

I swear this wasn't supposed to happen.

same reason pikachu couldn't evolve in yellow

Eevee's entire point is to evolve.

most pokemon's entire point is to evolve

Not really. Most Pokemon do evolve, but that's not the point of their existence. Eevee isn't called the Evolution Pokemon for nothing. 

https://www.serebii.net/pokedex-sm/133.shtml

what's the point of a caterpie? what's the point of a pidgey? it's to get you a butterfree and a pidgeot.

the eevee in let's go can't be evolved for the same reason pikachu can't; because it's supposed to be a cute mascot 'mon and not a top-tier fighter. it's as simple as that.

Apparently you should be able catch wild Pikachu and Eevee in the game, which can evolve.

...Buuut since the game's restricted to just Kanto Pokémon (and some Alolan forms) wild Eevee can presumably only evolve into it's original 3 evolutions.

Most Eeveelutions aren't top tier fighters, especially now lol. Vapereon is the only viable one of the original 3. 

Yes yes, Caterpie and Pidgey are stepping stones, but Eevee is different. What makes Eevee the Evolution Pokemon is that it has so many different forms. To remove that possibility of evolution is to make Eevee's existence pointless. Pikachu not being able to evolve makes sense because Yellow was emulating the anime. With Eevee, you're just removing it's entire shtick, making it an unappealing choice. 

...ill just catch one in the wild and evolve that no biggie to me. I already got over that 

Assuming you can. It'll probably just be given to you in Celadon like before, but likely only in Pikachu version because you couldn't catch wild Pikachus in Yellow version. I'd also want to use Jolteon, and something tells me you can't replace Pikachu in your party.

The game can't change it's name... *shrug*

It's already been confirmed that you can catch other Pikachu and Eevee in the wild and evolve those. Seeing as how your Pikachu/Eevee is basically part of the story, ride around on your shoulder or in your backpack, and is customizable, I can see why they can't evolve.

Can you put in the box? I have no interest in using Pikachu or Eevee.

Because "Pokemon Let's Go! Eevee But Eventually Flareon, Vaporeon or Jolteon" doesn't have that ring to it.

I just realized they just gave Eevee an exclusive, cool move last Gen to entice you to not evolve it.  Y'know, like Pikachu. Coincidence?

unfortunately, your skills as a song and dance man aren't 

It doesn't have a Mega Evolution, so no.

Yeah, but I have blue hair.

So do I :U

But mine is spiky and glowy, so mine is better 

WELL MAYBE IF YOU'D TRAIN ME WE WOULDN'T HAVE THIS ISSUE

Kids these days thinking colored hair make them special...

I'll train you in episode 54!

YOU SAID THAT IN THE ANDROID SAGA, AND THAT TURNED INTO YOU TELLING ME TO SCREW OFF >;U

But this is for real tho

Oh you men, clearly blue hair looks on ladies only.

Moth-

I mean Bulma!?

Now why doesn't he fight more often? 

Cuz he doesn't like to. He'll be fighting in the next arc tho.

WHERE THE FUCK WAS THIS GOHAN IN RESURRECTION F

I have to say the fights in the shows are pretty cool... if the games are anything like that I might be interested. Love over the top crazy games as distractions from time to time

@Ryannumber1gamer Dunno what you're talking about, he did exactly the same as he did in RoF here. Goku is not in Godmode, that's SSJ1, so they're on the same level, heck, in RoF everyone who wasn't Freeza had no chance against Gohan.

Except Frieza still managed to kick his ass anyway, and said battle wasn't even that long. Even here, the battle is on a grander scale and such. 

Then again, I'm generally happy just to see normal SSJ because I'm honestly fucking sick of Super Saiyan Blue.

Again, Freeza was matching SSJB, the strongest form at the moment, Gohan was no match for him even if he could go Mystic. Here, Goku is clearly holding back.

Also to be fair, I prefer SSJB to everyone holding back on serious fights like they did in GT.

My problem with SSJB at this point is I guess it kind of just feels lazy to me? I mean it sort of just looks like SSJ with blue hair, and it seems to just be the be-all solution. Even Rose, which was technically Pink SSJ had shit like Vegito's spirit sword and such.

Also, it doesn't help that I really loved SSG's design because while it retained Goku's normal design, it was leaner, and more subtle with the design choices.

Eh dunno, I like SSJB because it is literally SSJ but combined with God Ki, making so SSJ is not only once again relevant, but also the strongest powerup they can aim for.

@Mando-Whirl-Wind

Xenoverse 2 does a really good job on having the fights similar to the anime.

I would recommend you to buy it if you like the anime.

@Goku Black (Diamond), never watched it other than some of the abridged Broly the other week waiting for the switch direct the other week, and this fight. Is it a fun fighting game?

It's really fun IMO. 

But I suggest you watch at least some fights on Youtube or watch the new Dragon Ball Super on Crunchyroll or Daisuki  before playing, since you won't understand that much of the story.

Here is some gameplay so you can get an idea:

Galaxy and Unleashed?

I kinda want there  to be a Galaxy 1 & 2 vs. Adventures 1 & 2, even if there's a bigger year gap. 

Wouldn't Galaxy and Colors make more sense? 

... Sure, you can do that instead.

Colors and Galaxy 2 maybe. both games did away with hubs and a grander presentation, things that Unleashed and Galaxy 1 had

odyssey and forces

Yeah, I guess that makes sense. I'll give a list, you vote.

• Super Mario Bros 2 (USA) vs Sonic CD
• Super Mario Bros 3 vs Sonic 2
• Super Mario Sunshine vs Sonic Heroes
• Super Mario Galaxy vs Unleashed
• Super Mario Galaxy 2 vs Colors

@Polkadi~♪ That's not even a contest, lol.

sonic spinball to mario pinball land

you say that like a lil quitter (ง'̀-'́)ง

Odyssey would win within the first 5 minutes. 

Super Mario 3D World VS Sonic Lost World

One of the Mario RPG's vs Sonic Chronicles...who am I kidding here...

64 vs 3D Blast

Okay, for real though, based on the list I provided, which comparison should I do?

@ThePrinceOfSaiyans

SA1 Tails is still the most fun character Sonic has ever had in 3D.

@ThePrinceOfSaiyans ...I agree.

....It aged better then 64

*runs*

64 is incridibly overrated. But comparing it isn't quite fair, Sonic Adventure was on a 128bits console.

I love both, but Super Mario 64 was just the more important game to me personally.

On one hand, Mario 64 revolutionized the genre in so many ways but however its dated and hasn't really aged well.

However SA1 hasn't aged as good, if not worse than Mario 64 since they still act like from the 90s. I'm not a big fan of it because of that.

So the proper answer?

....Banjo Kazooie

@Crow the BOOLET

This is the correct answer, yes.

Banjo-Kazooie is a game that is so good that the developers have no idea how they made it so good.

Not literally, of course, but every similar game and sequel after by them do not match the magic.

Sonic Adventure vs Banjo Kazooie is a toss up for me. Sonic Adventure was the first video game I beat, so I have strong nostalgic fondness for Sonic Adventure. 

SA1 was fun and great. I still love it.

SM64 was alright and is still a fun time.

Banjo-Kazooie is boring as fuck and I could never bring myself to play all the way through it. The characters are super charming, though.

I have several.

• Catching Groudon for the first time. It was my first legendary Pokemon.
• A shiny Mudkip popping out of the Pokeball in Ruby version.
• Going to see the first movie with my dad and brother.
• Purifying Shadow Lugia.

The Moment in Emerald when Groudon and Kyogre fight and the weather constantly Switches between really heavy rainfall and crushing heat.

Having not played practically any RPGs or heavily Story based games, I never felt more urgency in any game before that Point. I was legitimately upset and worried about Hoenn. The fact that I had a huge Imagination as a kid and could very lively imagine how awfull the constant and extreme weather changing would feel also helped a great deal.

And then, when I ran up to the Tower and got Rayquaza and saved the Region...goddamn, it felt SO satisfying.

I have many

All the gen 1 games were straight up given to me, Mew was in Blue and it was already completed (guess how Mew was captured). But since I never knew what Mew was or how special it was and I really wanted to play the game myself from the beginning....

yeah hahahaha ;_;

* Getting Charizard in my very first TCG booster pack from the original TCG cards.

* getting Pokemon Red after school

* getting a ton of toys from KFC promotion and Burger King

Finding and Catching Shiny Pokemon for the first time in X and Alpha Sapphire.

I haven't found any Wild Shiny Pokemon since that Qwilfish in Silver Version...and I was out of Pokeballs...

EITHAH FURST STARTING UP POKEMAN RED 4 DA FURST TIEM, GITTING A COMPETITIVE WORTHY HONCHKROW, OR SWEEPING DA SHEET OUT DIANTHA WIFF AEGISLASH ONLY

Finding a Game Boy Color and Pokémon Blue under the Christmas tree... like a week early. Boy did I get in trouble.

Also

• Geting all silver prints from Emerald Battle Frontier
• Completing the Gen 3 (Emerald) and Alpha Sapphire National Pokedexes
• everything Thigolf said
• Facing Red in Silver, complete WTF moment for me
• Hell going back to KANTO in Silver was amazingly mindblowing

Pokemon Gold when catching Ho-Oh or when cruising through the Elite Four with said pokemon.

At the time I thought it said elite floor, and I only understood half the game in terms of language.

Oh, and I should also add getting Silver on launch day. I'm pretty sure I hadn't shut up about it like AT ALL and my dad had gone that morning to get it. Good times.

Yeah, saving Hoenn from Groudon's and Kyogre's rampage with the help of Rayquaza and than catching Rayquaza is also one of my favorite moments. 

My Pokemon memories are limited to the cartoon, cards and three first movies about 15 years ago. But I guess that watching the show was becauae I don't really recall much.

who's ready for Stars to be 3DS only

I didn't even finish Moon yet.

Better beat the Eite Four today.

More hyped for this then I am for Mania.

It was confirmed to be 8 minutes long.

Yeah, Most likely an annoucement trailer with more news at E3.

Well, time to beat the Moon Story.

Why are the Elite Four so hard?

Well shit, looks like Motobugs gotta stream

Where's the Spongebob meme, Ryan?!

SPONGEBOB MEME?!

I meant the one with you and Motobug being sad while everyone is hype.

I need variety 

Fair enough.

I keep forgetting they exist.

I don't care whether those specifically come back or not but this new batch of Sonic games could use some more side content

seems to be something that only casual fans who played "sonic adventure battle 2" on the gamecube talk about these days

I love them to death but people gotta let them go.

It was something extra for me when I rented  the adventure games but didn't really care for . And since it hasn't returned I don't care for it.

I do but I wouldn't be too upset if they never came back, the one in adventure 2 is fun enough on its own that I don't mind never getting another one.

I'm surprised Sonic Team's never tried to make them separate Nintendogs/ Tamagochi esque games for eShop/ mobile though. that's money right there.

Chao gardens? No. But Chao themselves are appealing enough that I wish there was a proper way to use them. Even if just as background fodder like most of the Toads are in Mario games.

@Ferno That's what I was thinking. A Chao Garden app would probably print money with those nostalgic for it if they marketed right...though knowing them they'll probably pull a Runners and make it exorbitantly expensive to do anything.

Judging from how morbid the abuse system is, (Crying, trembling in terror, running away, and giving them headaches) I got a feeling a few of the programmers didn't really care much for the chao either.

Me, I have a love hate relationship with them. They're cute, I like seeing what they can evolve into, and I find that they have a bit of charm to them.

but at the same time, they can be too cute (Even for me), a pain in the ass to train, and I hate their random tantrums they'll throw. I often find myself attacking them when they do that.

Chao were a nice distraction, and gave you something to do with all the rings and stuff you could collect during the stages. Like a bottomless pit pushing you to keep collecting, knowing full well there was never an "end" to it.

That never hurts, particularly so for a series that often lacks content.

I'll actually admit I spent a lot of time with them when I played SA2:B. I actually recall having at least 10+ Chao at one point.

I still wouldn't want it to be added to a main series Sonic game again though (especially with how SA2 ended up tying them to 100% Completion). Sega should had capitalized on their popularity and made a mobile spinoff with them years ago (though apparently Iizuka only very recently learned they have a devoted following....so there you go.)

He was the most modded character in Brawl, and overall very requested, he has a chance to be Echo, or even Metal Sonic.

we'll see

people said the same thing about ridely smh

You guys are just setting yourselves up for disappointment. 

nintendo is always a disappointment to me

par for the course man

Dude, check everyone's wishlist for echo fighter on Twitter or whatever. 90% of them have Shadow.

we're not nuts for thinking he has a chance tho

The OP here has the potential to become as outdated as the "Ridley Is Too Big" meme.

@ThePrinceOfSaiyans Feeling confident enough for wager?

No, not particularly. I just like to keep my expectations low for these sorts of things.

Well fine then, but don't force it on others by calling  them nuts. Kinda comes off as a bit jerkish, y'know? Just a "I personally highly doubt" will do.

You're taking things too seriously if you think I was being disparaging, lol. 

? I wouldn't call giving helpful advice (especially given how easily it is to misinterpret internet text without the tones to back 'em up) overreacting. Eh, you do you.

Yeah it's something I don't like about the post game areas in the series. Why do we have to do that crap in order to win? 

Wait so is the Battle Tree format akin to the Battle Maison? You can battle one trainer after another (w/ healing after each battle, saving and quiting included) until you get to 20 trainers then face these 'Battle Bosses'? 

Yeah. 

Oh ok. I was just a bit confused by the 'level 20' thing. 

I might not even attempt the Tree seriously until the Bank update anyway.

I was going to do that until I learned of the reward you get for beating the first Battle Legend.

Well if you want to get the Mega Stones for the canto starters you're going to need to beat Red at level 21

That's another thing; how do you even get the Mega Stones that aren't tied behind things like that. 

You buy them with battle points earned from the Battle Tree of Battle Royal.

...Oh.

What bullsh*t. Hahahaha.

Gamefreak didn't do a very good job making competitive play more accessible, that's for sure. Hyper training is nice and all, even though you have to get to level 100 to use it, but practically every convenience available in Gen 6 is gone.   

Well looking it up now it's small list locked behind that system; for the others I hope they can be found in the overworld through special means (like via the Altar of the Sunne/Moone mechanic or something)

Game Freak doing what Game Freak does best.

Never attribute to malice what can be attributed to stupidity.

What did he do now?

Oh, nothing noteworthy. He's simply having trouble with Blaze in Sonic and the Black Knight, and getting unreasonably angry about it .

Oh. 

Or maybe Arin just isn't that good in games, playing all that Mega Man X can do that to ya.

> Arin

> Sonic games

He would probably struggle playing through the Special Stages of 3D Blast... the GENESIS VERSION!

To be fair though, Sonic and the Black Knight is not a very good game. :v

It's not a very good game, but it's not a very hard one either.

@Kabalni Hey, I'll let you know that I play Mega Man X religiously. Now I'm not an amazing player, but I can at least brag that I am in a superior level to Arin in both gaming skills and honestly, opinions.

I also don't blame the game constantly for my own failure.

I don't think sucking at Sonic and the Black Knight is much of a crime

Perhaps this would be better with context.

well, as we all know, video games are bad

There really isn't any context to that argument, Deji. People just throw out there like it's supposed to mean something. 

I cannot pretend to understand context here, but if a movie just feels like I'm watching someone play a video game, that's probably bad.

Well, the Star Wars prequels don't feel like that at all, so again, I'm not sure what that criticism is supposed to mean. The best I can imagine is that the Force abilities feel like video game conventions, which is inane if you ask me. Force augmentation, Force lightning, Force pull, Force push, it's all stuff we've seen in the originals, only employed more often, which makes sense given these are Jedi at the height of their power.

Oh we're talking about Star Wars. What an odd statement to make...

Hmmm yeah not really sure how that applies to any star wars

flashy, gaudy-looking special effects juxtaposed with boring cutscenes of characters standing around doing nothing but talking? yeah I can see how it would apply.

video games generally don't have great stories and they're mostly there to excuse flashy sequences and fights

So...the prequels

Because it looks like a PS2 cutscene

Look me straight in the avatar's eyes and tell me that AOTC's Droid Factory scene is a beautifully potrayed location and in no way resembles something you'd fine in a NES obstacle course.

wait woah

this looks kinda fun, actually

I'm more opened to it. Although I'm curious as to which starter Ash will chose

Yeah, I'm really not a fan of this either tbh.

Also his lightning marks now look like a moustache, cannot unsee...

The trailer itself looks fun, but I can't say I like Ash's redesign. It's just very weird looking, especially since other characters don't really reflect this direction (and like Boomer said, his face markings don't look right, at all). What I've seen of the newer characters looks on par with what's been in XYZ.

Yeah, Ash's look is the only thing that's bothering me. I think I'll get used to it, but I can see why it's throwing people off so much.

Wow, I'm actually liking this style in motion (haven't seen anything but images). Especially how much of a western style some of the animation has.

I've started to look at each season of Pokemon as less of a continuous saga and moreso as a separate anthology where the previous canon doesn't really matter. 

ie, you could watch XY from start to finish without having seen Indigo League or anything after it or Sun/Moon and still get a good chunk of story. 

Not good for those who stuck through it since the beginning, unfortunately. 

Anyway this bit made me laugh...

@Indigo Rush That's pretty much how I've been treating it. The original series-DP were pretty connected if you think about it but once BW started it was yeah screw that

Honestly that's how I see it too, it's just nice when they do have continuity nods. It's weird how even Best Wishes referenced Ash's adventures in past regions but (from what I hear) the Kalos saga doesn't. Like, ever. That's just weird.

Also there was a huge missed opportunity to have Ash assemble a team (for a League battle, I guess) that has one Pokemon from each generation. That would've been really cool.

That's pretty much what the kalos league final should of been  Ash would of had a team of his strongest Pokemon. Kanto: Pikachu, Johto: Charizard, Hoenn: Sceptile, Sinnoh: Infernape, Unova: Krookodile, Kalos: Greninja