Hero of Legend

Pretty good!

Good!

I don't post here much these days. Nice seeing folks from years ago still post here. Hope you've all been well.

Good, thanks. How about yourself?

@TheOcelot Not too bad. Went to the Royal Ontario Museum this past week and found Pingu's cousin:

Other than that I've been playing more of Super Mario Odyssey, just 100% New Donk City finally! I'm in the post game BTW. Finally I'm just looking forward to E3! I've been watching Vinny and Joel's reactions to the prior conferences and they are a HOOT!

Joel:

Vinny:

You?

As long as it doesn't look like Sonic Xtreme.

I would think it could be Sonic World-based. That'd make the most sense.

Team Mania could perhaps be the team to design a full 3d game which perfectly compliments the 2d classics, which is something Sonic Team have never been able to achieve.

If the special stages are anything to go by...uh, I'd rather they not. 

@TheOcelot tbh that seems like such a holy-grail type thing that I'm not even sure Sonic Team would let them near that concept out of pride that they could try it themselves (again) someday

If anything we'll just get Mania's 2 - 10.

Eh, honestly we haven't had enough of what they're good at yet for my liking.  I'd rather they stick to 2D for the time being.  "Classic Sonic in 3D" is still a very rough concept that fans still haven't managed to crack how to make good level design for yet.  I have no reason Team Mania would be automatically good at this just because they're so good at 2D Sonic.

@JezMMSonic in 3D is a very rough concept that SEGA still haven't managed to crack.

i find it hard to imagine the mania team making 3D sonic any worse than sonic team have, considering ST's track record

I so often see people wanting the Mania team to do stuff like remake Sonic Adventure (under the assumption that their skills in remaking classic Sonic game engines are somehow interchangeable for any game ever) that I'm not sure the fanbase could survive quite so many minds being blown as there would be if the Mania team put out a mediocre 3D Sonic game

If Sega was willing to throw 3D Sonic to a studio with no game to their credit and allow them to make a J&D clone with the Sonic name slapped on top of it (and this was before Sega themselves started meddling in the project), then I don't see why letting Team Mania (supported with the proper staff/resources) taking a shot a 3D Classic Sonic (or Nintendo, or any other team/studio who have a consistent track record of solid games to their credit) is so much of an issue.

There are some valid concerns to raise about designing a Sonic game in a 3D space but I honestly believe most of the "Sonic hasn't/doesn't work in 3D" narrative is either built upon conjecture or doesn't address the fact that nearly every 3D Sonic game over the past twenty years has produced by the same studio; whereas even 2D Sonic has at least changed hands a couple of times over the years (Ancient, Aspect, Dimps, Backbone, Sanzaru, Taxman and co.). But that seems to be ignored in favor of talking about 3D Sonic game design as some mythical unicorn hardly anyone can comprehend and virtually any developer out there should be questioned as being inherently unqualified to make a 3D Sonic game.

/bitter

the mania team is made mostly of indie developers that have been working on 2D games their entire lives so a 3D game from them at all is a ways off, let alone a good one

To be fair, Big Red Button wasn't "a studio with no game to their credit", it was comprised of a lot of ex-employees from reputable game studios.

I'm talking about works published by the studio as a whole, rather than the resumes of certain staff in the company. In the former context, BRB was practically a fledgling developer when they started producing RoL.

That clarification about the background of BRB's staff also directly correlates into what I'm talking about in regards to the way people talk about 3D Sonic as some impossible aura nobody can address; when Rise of Lyric was discovered to be a trainwreck, people were proclaiming how "even Naughty Dog developers can't make a good [3D] Sonic game".

I did like the aesthetics of Mania's special stages, though if they can make a working engine for a full 3D game is another thing. Something like the concept of Sonic Jam's hub world would be interesting to expand upon. I wouldn't be that upset if they stuck to "2D with odd bits of 3D at times" like in Mania though.

I cannot hear this without thinking of dr. Eggman.

"Yes!"

Oh and Krysta from Ferngully is also a Disney Princess now. Fuck it, give me a Bartok and Batty Koda crossover. The guy who does Genie now does a good enough Robin Williams voice, so he could be Batty. Funny enough, if they got Dan Castellaneta back to be Robin's double for Batty, then Dan and Hank would be two Simpsons voices together here... which BTW is now owned by Disney also.

Disney owns the WORLD!

ripley and the xenomorph is a disney princess too

Gotenks

Seriously though, tough choice. We barely get to see Gogeta in canon works and we’ve have seen Vegito a fair amount of times..but then again they reconed that time limit bs...

Yeah and also, what WOULD A Potara fusion of Goten and Trunks be? That hasn't been in DB Heroes yet has it, yet everything else imaginable has.

Also, do we know if both Super Vegito and Super Gogeta are SS2? It's usually hard to distinguish between SS1 and SS2. I always notice SS2 is shiner, more pointy, and the presence of electricity.

I’m shocked they haven’t done that possibility/what if yet.

The best pic I’ve seen of a Gotenks potara version is this:

Yeah, I want to see “Trunkten” and many more what if fusions/transformations/absorbs.

But nah, we need more SSJ3/SSGSS Broly and Bardock amirite?

As for Gogeta? That is pretty tough to distinguish them from SSJ1 & 2, they already have a single hair bang which is a trait of 2 so I guess the only noticeable difference would be the lighting sparks.

Vegito? Nah he’s easy, he has more than one hair bang so he ain’t SSj2.

Neither Gogeta or Vegito are SSJ2 but in Xenoverse, Vegito was supposed to have SSJ2, seen in a unused line:

"Guess I'm Super Saiyan 2 now."

I like Gogeta. Especially liked his Super Saiyan 4 design.

Vegetto's cool, too and bringing him back in the Black arc was hype (not sure I like how Super explained how Potara fusion works when it was perfectly fine for decades, but whatever), but I always liked the fusion dance clothing design a bit more.

I wouldn't say "Buu's body makes Vegetto unfuse" is better than the one hour limit.

It even makes sense in the Buu Saga since we don't know exactly how long they fought for.

I honestly saw nothing wrong with it being permanent and inadvertently being undone by Buu, just means Buu could counteract the Kaioshin's magic. Super went out of the way to unfuse Kibitoshin with Namekian Dragon Balls, which I thought they could have just extended to Vegetto if he were to return.

I also think it's a little too convenient for them to say the time limit expired right when Vegetto was absorbed. It undermines how desperate Goku and Vegeta are if they're willing to go through with something permanent (even if it can be potentially undone down the line, I'd rather it be something they have to deal with until they can undo it) AND the god powers completely fizzle it out like SSJ4 did to Gogeta (actually this is also why I like fusion dance, it means there's more urgency when they can't stay together for very long). It kinda makes Potara fusion seem more useless or like it was a mistake.

Gogeta, ‘cause Big Bang Kamehameha reasons...

Welcome aboard!

Wow really? He really has some range! I loved both Zazz and Infinite’s voices so consider me deeply impressed!

I hadn't notice. I'll look at the footage I recorded and let you know

Please do. I did get one snap of a YT recording of that scene again:

https://abload.de/img/sonicyoutubezgpab.png

It seems most common in that scene, but I saw it in the first scene of Knuckles and the others in the base also. It's random so it's not guaranteed in any scene.

Nope havnet seen it. But for some reason visually the game looks bad when recording it and uploading it onto youtube. It's not just me who has this problem I was speaking to NTom about this as well and ive seen other youtube videos with it as well

Was NTom referring to the compression or the white lines?

compression