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Shadow Mario and Metal Mario?

We have to go edgier 

Cosmic Mario...

Oooh! That would be fun!  How about...Doom Mario?

Mario has had almost as many "weird fake Marios" as Sonic's had his own lookalikes.

In order these are Mask Koopa, Wario (and Waluigi), Mario Clone, Shadow Mario, Doopliss, Cosmic Mario, Bowser Memory ML, and the Cosmic Clones.

And since you're bringing up comic-exclusive characters like Surge, we'll dig into the Mario expanded lore too, with Pietro - the fake Mario Brother from the Super Show episode, aptly titled "Fake Bro"

But are they edgy?

Eh, Wario's canonically gotten drunk, which I suppose for a family-friendly kids' series like Mario might be a little "edgy" in the same spirit as Shadow dropping mild swears.

If this doesn't say edgy, then probably nothing will

Same

*Sega after critics complained about sonic's crappy friends:

Like they don’t need to play like a Sonic game. Make them their own beats like the Mario character spin-offs 

put them all in one spinoff

bad character jail

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Sega after critics complained about sonic's crappy friends:

This leaves a technical opening for an Eggman game, since he's Sonic's enemy.

Sonic would still have to be involved in some way

Chaos In Space: The Movie: The Game, baybeh

I'm down but we're getting less new Sonic games now in general tho.

Wouldn't need to be Sonic Team games. Character spinoffs in particular could be outsourced to other developers, so it wouldn't cut into development of the next big mainline game.

I mute one piece terms too, but because of spoilers... but even then i almost never interact with one piece fans on the internet or read any of their discussions, except here occasionally

Not liking the Granola saga Bardock rants? Not blaming ya, I checked out of that shit ages ago. I'll just read it in silence thanks.

luffy was like "it's peak fiction time, and peaked all over those guys"

Its the Zoro and Sanji stans actually.

Luffy stans are the tolerable ones.

Shipping a minor with an adult?????? Wow that’s problematic 

Give me a break

(That was sarcasm I actually don’t care lmao)

Why deny it, just embrace it.

One things for sure: 

He is

@Kuzu

There are MANY ways to interpret this...

"If Sonic Frontiers gets canceled would we finally be free"

"I'll just keep moving forward....until all of Sonic is destroyed" 

"In case you've forgotten, you have your own reasons for coming. You had a favorite comic book, until Sega canceled it. Think of your favorite characters. Of Scourge. Of Sally. Avenge them. Keep moving forward. Even if you die, even after you die. After all, this whole ugly story started with Sonic 2."

edit:@Kuzu I needed to make this more unhinged

Oh hey another one of the Sonic Team members who left to Nintendo and Monolith after the sonic boom takeover shit happened behind closed doors 

They're both kinda neat

I'm actually kind of shocked how much I liked Scourge in the long run. He's a very good exploration of the "evil twin" archetype and how that affects someone. 

Surge seems a little funnier, and I like that she's not just a slight tweak on Sonic's design even if she's still based on him.

They're both cool. I like Scourge more because of far he came from something so basic and the developments that came with giving him more of an identity.

I don't really see them as equivalents beyond surface level qualities anyway so I think they're both easy to like.

I'm not the BIGGEST fan of Scourge but I don't think him resembling Sonic is any more of a detriment to his character than say, Eggman Nega being an Eggman recolor.

I thought people hated Eggman Nega because of how unimaginative he is though...

I am shocked myself but Scourge was the best Archie Preboot villain, arguably even better than Doctor himself.

Anyway it's still a bit too early to reply. I think I like that Surge is more original than "evil clone" and she is more tragic, more likeable. BUT in the end Scourge wins because he had a little more fun personality.

Few examples of his greatness
- Trying to kick Metal Sonic in the nuts
- While fighting trying to desperately to keep his crown on his head
- Getting saved by Sonic (from Metal Scourge) than very purposely not returning the favor
- "All hail to the king, baby"

Again, bit too early. Surge must earn her rep to measure up to King of Moebius.

I saw it last week with my sister and we had a lot of fun with it.

No that's surge

and Scourge

who

I think it's this guy

Vanilla Knux is literally the big muscled treasure hunter foil to Sonic

I'd condemn this entire world to hell than to live in a timeline where Ugly Sonic is a regular character in the series. 

the better comparison might be fake crash

@Kuzu I think an WariSonic would just be a comically exaggerated version of the character rather than just “look at him he’s ugly”. He’d still have to look appealing to the general public.

It seems like that's the only thing I really hear about the Chip and Dale movie. I barely hear anybody actually talk about the movie itself.

Even if he wasn't in, that's still a thousand other IP cameos for people to gobble up before they get to the actual by-the-numbers plot. (Shrek and Batman in a Disney movie anyone???) It's more concerned on being a meta Roger Rabbit successor than a Rescue Rangers film, though for what it's worth, the IP shilling cameo fest was still handled better than prior attempts like SJ2

Oh yes, I just can't stand the toxicity the Sesame Street fandom has degraded into over it's 50+ year run

I bet you those do exist, somewhere/ 

I've gotten bitter/cynical to the point of being kicked from Retro's discord for being too negative. I won't stop being interested in the IP because the stuff I liked will always exist, but... If Frontiers isn't good I will give up on Sonic Team's first-party efforts for the foreseeable future..

@Shade VortexHow do you get banned from RETRO for being too negative?? That entire site is almost nothing but negativity and cynicism...

That's kind of what I was thinking to myself, too... But you know, I guess getting mad at people who think Sonic has done nothing wrong and people like -us- are the problem with the community did me no favors. As if blind fanboyism/loyal support isn't a much bigger issue for the quality of the series going forward than bitter cynicism- because in their case, it doesn't matter what it is, if it's Sonic, they'll support it...

I mean it requires the people involved to care.

It all needs to be burned down. 

You think it's hard to find Sesame Street toxicity? Ask how the fandom viewed Elmo when he debuted in the 80s.

@ZayshoThere very fact people are so heated means they care. 

I was referring to the creative teams.

Well I doubt the creatives want to make products that piss people off, but it's not like they're privy to the wants of the fanbase cuz ya know....fanbases aren't hiveminds. 

Kind of hard to satisfy a fandom of over 20 years, all with different tastes and wants.

I thought the 90s was when CTW/SW really started capitalizing on Elmo's popularity to the chagrin of fans, he was an borderline Anything Muppet until Clash started performing him in the mid-80s

Don't disagree otherwise. I'll also throw in people who prefer Sesame Street in its earlier years when it had the 'magazine' format vs. the current 'narrative' approach that's been in use since the 2000s

See, most of us Jurassic Park fans agree with each other. Its a mostly peaceful fandom (main fight that breaks out is T-Rex v Spino discussions).

The hedgehog's mug is on that mug!

Yes.

Can't forget these little gremlins either.

Maybe. Bad boxart Mega Man was an issue since day 1 and lasted a year or so. We had 28 years of Sonic before the Man Hog reared its ugly head.

Man Hog left the impact of 28 years of pain

Insert word Sonic refers Shadow to in SA2 here

The ring was the extra spice on a tired joke to turn it funny. 

The biggest thing I remember about Rise of Lyric's comedy is that the cut-scenes had plenty of genuine laughs, and yet all that goodwill was constantly being undone by the in-game banter being mind-numbingly unfunny.

Is it wrong for me to say that the game’s comedy is actually funnier than the show?

I personally found the show's comedy funnier. ...Most of the time, anyway. That freaking Justin Beaver episode was painful.

Most of the cutscene dialogue is either generic or unmenorable and in game dialogue was just bad so I’m definitely gonna favor the show

Great animation though

If you tap around the quote, you’ll notice a small white box with four arrows in it up in the upper left of the quote box, tap that and then hit delete and it should get rid of it

Test

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I'm seeing the arrows but theres no further menu,and hitting the backspace/delete key on the Virtual keypad is giving me the below text:

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That’s odd. Sounds like a bug @Dreadknux?

You have to tap the quote block to select it (the entire block should be highlighted), then while you’re in keyboard mode (active within the post area) hit backspace. Might need a couple tries.

It IS very finicky though I won’t lie. There isn’t an awful lot we can do with it as we’re talking about base code in the website platform and not a design issue. If it’s too problematic I can remove the quote button from the mobile post area so you won’t have to worry about this anymore.

I still can't get it to delete. If there was an option to switch to the old fashioned BBC or the current equivalent, it would be possible to remove the tags manually, I could do that. 

Also: I am using an Android with Chrome browser if that makes a difference?

ALSO NO CORKSCREW CLIMB AT THE END OF ACT 3

I am never turning this mod off for the rest of my life

now is there one that fixes the death egg last boss fight to a : have rings and b: not be stupid? because the collision on the DER is ass and it takes -way- too long to cycle to its most vulnerable state

@Shade VortexTry this mod. It contains a total of 50 rings in DEZ (you kinda have to look for them though) so if you have the emeralds you can even go Super Sonic on Eggman's ass. (Sonic's instashield is also extremely helpful against both bosses)

https://gamebanana.com/mods/375571

i just played through the whole thing and holy shit, it's almost uncanny having such a smooth experience in metropolis.

like... i can actually run through it! the obstacles are fun to jump and spin through while keeping up my pace! i don't have to awkwardly tiptoe through the whole thing! i'm actually having fun!

I've played through this modded level four times and not once have I encountered a single bullshit "didn't see that coming" obstacle, my mistakes legitimately feel like my own and not because of MZ's Dimps-ass failure of level design.

Have you noticed that the most evil people in the world don't sneeze?

But why can't farting and burping only exorcises gas, and not your demons? Don't you wonder how nice it would be if people told you God bless you when you cut the cheese, and that it's only the demon making that bad smell? But here we are, needing to say "Excuse me" ourselves when that happens, yet other people do the excusing for you sneezing.

What kinda excuse is that?

Demons don't want to come out of you via smelly farts.

And Google tells me that burps are a result of swallowing too much air. So burps are caused by science, not demons.

Gyuh

as God intended

it played the long game but finally defeated its brothers

well deserved

Just as it was prophesied:

#SplashSweep

its fourthin' time

at least up until Sonic Origins 2

That's actually awful.

Huh, I didn't pay close enough attention to the delist date, I didn't think they were removing them an entire month before Origins was even out

Inb4 Sonic 4 sales on Steam have such a dramatic increase that SEGA finally decides to make Episode 3.