Sally Acorn a official Sega character?

[Unknown User]

http://browse.devian...+Acorn#/d3hr2jn

I'm surprised. Glad I know this now.

I wish I can edit the topic title to *an

Edited August 5, 2011 by Ishtar

[novelty]

I CALL HAX on canon storyline. Its like finding out SA2 had graphics and sounds for a RPG...if it never happened in the actual release, then it actually didn't really happen canon-wise

[Blue Blood]

No.

Ricky is a different character altogether. Basically another small animal like Flicky and Pocky. Ricky's just a species. Sally was based on Ricky, but isn't Ricky. She was designed by the people behind the cartoons. She's not an official SEGA character any more than anyone else in the comics and TV shows. And while SEGA owns the rights to all these characters, they're aren't official or 'SEGA canon' so to say.The westernisation of Sonic in the early 90's was not something many of the people at SEGA Japan knew about or liked, and that's why it was all abolished come Adventure. Sally is a left over only because the comics are a separate entity.

Edited August 5, 2011 by Blue Blood

[Xenos]

I can't believe she is stating this as if it was fact, the worst part is some people are taking this at face value? It grinds my gears when something like that happens.

[Dr. Mechano]

Allow me to tear this argument apart for the final time.

Alright, first things first. There's a huge difference between Sally being owned by Sega (which she is) and Sally being recognized by Sega as part of their canon (which she isn't). Clear? Good.

Second, Ricky is neither Sally nor a unique person in the Sega games. Ricky is more like a species of squirrel, since we've seen multiple Rickies onscreen at once, particularly after freeing them from an Egg Capsule. Ricky is a type of squirrel just as Flicky is a type of bird- No one considers Flicky a unique character, after all.

The Freedom Fighters were loosely based on the small animals Sonic rescued in the games, but that doesn't mean they're the same characters. However, even if they were, they're so altered as to be unrecognizable and these versions simply would not apply to the game series. Few people argue that the AoStH version of Robotnik was canon to the video games, or that the Grounders from Aquatic Ruin Zone were comically-moronic turquoise-colored robots rather than the red drones they were. Even if you want to make the tenuous Ricky-Sally connection, the character from SatAM and Archie is still so drastically different that it becomes a non-issue; She's never been in the games proper (Save the clearly non-canon Sonic Spinball with its 16 blue Chaos Emeralds among other contradictions), and she never will be.

Yes, Sega owns the rights to Sally Acorn. But they also own the rights to Sonia, Manic, Chris Thorndyke, and a host of other unneeded and unwanted characters who thankfully aren't part of the video game canon. In the end, she's only canon to SatAM and Archie, two derivative continuities that are (very) loosely based on the games, and that's all she ever will be. To think that she's canon to the game series is pure delusional fantasy.

[Kuzu]

I can't believe she is stating this as if it was fact, the worst part is some people are taking this at face value? It grinds my gears when something like that happens.

[#EndyGate]

Nope, the only canon is the Iizuka canon, I doubt that he even counts any of the changes made in the Western sector as canon

[Dr. Mechano]

I doubt that he even counts any of the changes made in the Western sector as canon

Edited August 5, 2011 by Dr. Mechano

[Kuzu]

You guys seem to have a vendetta against the western canon don't ya?

[Blue Blood]

You guys seem to have a vendetta against the western canon don't ya?

[Shawn7]

Didn't chilli dogs become canon isn't that good enough?

We don't need sally acorn in the games.

[Kuzu]

I do, cause it's a God awful canon did everything it possibly could to obliterate the charming, unique universe that was portrayed in the Japanese classics. Everything from art style, to character design to story was utterly ruined.

Mechano on the other hand just has a damn clue what he's talking about.

[KHCast]

I'm guessing the rivals games aren't in the japanese canon.

[Kuzu]

I'm guessing the rivals games aren't in the japanese canon.

[KHCast]

They're written by Iizuka himself, so yes they are in the canon.

Anything that's not in SATAM/Archie is the Japanese canon.

Edited August 5, 2011 by Hedgehogs Boost

[Kuzu]

How come they were never released outside of america then?

[Blue Blood]

How come they were never released outside of america then?

[Dr. Mechano]

Anything that's not in SATAM/Archie is the Japanese canon.

Wait, no they're not.

AoStH, Fleetway, Underground, OVA, Sonic X, and the various Sonic manga titles are obviously not part of the game canon either.

For that matter, SatAM/Archie were never part of the American game canon either.

Remember, the American game canon was butchered and heavily deviated from the Japanese games (Much like SatAM and Archie) but was still a unique entity from the cartoons and comics. The American game canon still had Robotnik as a mad scientist trying to rule the world, while SatAM portrayed him as someone who had already achieved that end. SoA Robotnik was still an ugly caricature of SoJ Eggman (Missing eyes and perma-scowl), but was a bit more on-model than Julian was.

SatAM =/= Sega of America. SatAM was based on the SoA story, but the two aren't exactly the same thing.

[Kuzu]

Wait, no they're not.

AoStH, Fleetway, Underground, OVA, Sonic X, and the various Sonic manga titles are obviously not part of the game canon either.

For that matter, SatAM/Archie were never part of the American game canon either.

Remember, the American game canon was butchered and heavily deviated from the Japanese games (Much like SatAM and Archie) but was still a unique entity from the cartoons and comics. The American game canon still had Robotnik as a mad scientist trying to rule the world, while SatAM portrayed him as someone who had already achieved that end. SoA Robotnik was still an ugly caricature of SoJ Eggman (Missing eyes and perma-scowl), but was a bit more on-model than Julian was.

SatAM =/= Sega of America. SatAM was based on the SoA story, but the two aren't exactly the same thing.

Well. My bad.

[goku262002]

God people multiverse remember? Game canon may be the official SEGA canon but it doesn't mean all other universes don't exist.

[Xenos]

God people multiverse remember? Game canon may be the official SEGA canon but it doesn't mean all other universes don't exist.

What most of us are trying to say is the person who is trying to conclude that Sally is in the game canon is pretty much incorrect.

[Dr. Mechano]

God people multiverse remember? Game canon may be the official SEGA canon but it doesn't mean all other universes don't exist.

When did anyone claim they didn't?

Sally's free to exist in SatAM and Archie, because that's where she is. But when people start claiming she has any place in the games, that's where I have to set things straight.

I've never claimed the other continuities don't exist; What I am claiming (rightfully so) is that they are separate from the original game canon, and should not be viewed as casually merged together with it. The Sonic X comic series (Where Eggman becomes a wrestling superhero and pretty much steals the series) is my favorite Sonic canon, but I'm not about to claim it has any barring on the game series.

That's what I'm talking about. It's fine to like Sally, it's fine to prefer SatAM/Archie over the games if that's your thing, but it's completely inaccurate to try to claim Sally is part of the game continuity, because she just isn't.

To put things in perspective, this would be exactly like me claiming Sera from the OVA is canon to the Japanese game series, because- hey- I like Sera a lot and the OVA was loosely based on the Japanese game storyline. It's exactly as inane an argument, and even though Sera is one of my favorite Sonic characters (Only a bit behind Eggman), I accept and understand that she is not a "Sega canon" character, whether Sega owns the rights to her or not. Given the similar role she plays in her story to Sally, I actually think this is a pretty good analogy.

Edited August 5, 2011 by Dr. Mechano

[HunterTSF]

Alright time for me to take a piss in someone's tea -sweat drop- anyone can guess HOW meany flames I am going to get? lol, anyway.

Sally came before Amy, and is INDEED a Sonic Sega canon..Proof? here:

Sally's first design was Ricky the Squirrel [link] who first appeared in Sonic the Hedgehog (1991).

"The creator of Sally's final design (used in later SatAM and the Archie based Sonic comic series) was supposedly Ken Kinoshita (initial character designer for SatAM). The designer of her initial 'Ricky' design from the games is supposedly Naoto Ōshima (aka 'Bigisland'), character designer for Sonic the Hedgehog. "

She appeared as a Cameo in Sonic Spinball (1993). Her Ricky design is still used, it even was shown in Sonic X. While Sally is a American Sega character.

She is still a canon sega character, just because she does not appear on the website does not mean she is not a canon, the Japanese Sega is free to use her at any time being she is Sega property.

Ricky is normally used in the games instead of Sally. If Sally ever did appear in the games it would be a bit weird unless they could come up with something.

In Japan, Sally was known by both her real name and a nickname of hers called "Ricki". This never made its way to America.

In Sonic the Hedgehog (1992 Shogakukan manga) as a brown/orange hedgehog with a red dress, Amy was introduced, then again later as September 23, 1993.

the hole..'love' thing is a bit complicated but i can sort it our i think.

I know Sally's loved a few of the main characters, but here are a few things you forget to account for...She does not love them all at once, and does not share her love for ones that get a simple crush on her, Example tails had a short one on her that died, and Antoine D'Coolette, she did not love him at all but was almost forced into marriage with him, Antoine married Bunnie Rabbot.

I'd like to point out that she has a REAL girl issue...not everyone has one boyfriend and stays with them forever an ever like most girls wish, she has a bit of relationship issues haa.

Also there was a plot called "Endgame" it was a saga that led up to Archie's first milestone issue 50. So they needed a big plot device to bring in the crowd so they killed off Sally. However during Endgame Sega recognized that Sally is one of the most popular characters of the Archie comics. As well as that she is the most recognizable non-game character to people who aren't even fans. Because of this Sega swooped into Archie and told them they couldn't kill her off, saving the princess at quite literally the last minute. Because of this Sally is just as official as any other major Sonic character.

Now I do not hate Amy, though it annoys the heck out of me when I see people saying Sally is not canon and so on.

Oh lawdy, this argument is so incredibly flawed. I'll just start off be reiterating what everybody else has said by stating that although Ken Kinoshita's Sally Acorn is loosely based off of Naoto Ōshima's Ricky, she isn't Ricky. They are two entirely different characters (if you could even call Ricky a "character"; he's more of a "species"), designed by two entirely different people, on two entirely different continents. By using her same logic you could say that Peter Griffin is, in actuality, Homer Simpson solely because he happens to be loosely based off of him. It's just silly. There was absolutely no communication whatsoever between either Sally or Ricky's respective character creators during their designing processes, and they hold nothing in common aside from having somewhat similar appearances and appearing within two very different branches of the same entertainment franchise.

Sonic the Hedgehog Spinball has no bearing whatsoever on the Sonic Team universe canon, as it was developed by the third party Sega Technical Institute. It should also be worth noting that it was Sally Acorn who made a cameo appearance in this game, and not Ricky. The opposite could be said for Sonic X, and that's just fine; Ricky is canon to the Sonic Team universe upon which that animated series was based off of, after all. (It should also be noted that neither case is relevant, as none of these take place within Sonic Team's Sonic the Hedgehog universe.)

Ricky is called Ricky in Japan, because Ricky's name is Ricky ("リッキー" or "Rikkī"). Japanese fans of Sally Acorn call her Sally Acorn ("サリー・エイコーン" or "Sarī Eikōn"). Because that's her name, and she isn't Ricky.

Now, with that aside, let's address the big picture here. There is no singular "SEGA canon". There are many SEGA canons, all canonical to their respective universe. The main canon featured within the games takes place within Sonic Team's Sonic the Hedgehog universe. Another popular one happens to be TMS Entertainments' Sonic X universe. Many people also happen to be fans of DiC's Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog universe. They're all valid canons within their own respective universes, and SEGA owns the rights to all of these properties. They are all "SEGA canons", all being "official" material.

What this poster seems to be referring to is the canon featured within the games, which takes place in Sonic Team's Sonic the Hedgehog universe. Sally Acorn is not canon to this universe at all, no. She has not appeared in any Sonic Team-developed game, and most probably never will. She still however, is canon to several other official SEGA universes, such as Archie Comics' Sonic the Hedgehog universe and DiC's Sonic the Hedgehog universe.

Ricky, however is canon to this universe, making several appearances throughout the series in Sonic Team-developed games, such as Sonic the Hedgehog, Sonic the Hedgehog 2, and Sonic & Knuckles.

It's also worth noting that either way, Amy Rose has been around longer than Sally Acorn. Shogakukan's Sonic the Hedgehog Shogaku Yonensei (the manga in which Amy Rose made her debut) began publication in 1992, whilst Archie Comics' Sonic the Hedgehog (the comic book series in which Sally Acorn made her debut) didn't begin print until 1993.

The moar you know~

Edited August 5, 2011 by HunterTSF

[Shawn7]

Didn't amy come from the sonic japanese manga?

How did she become canon?

[HunterTSF]

Didn't amy come from the sonic japanese manga?

How did she become canon?

Apparently Sega of Japan liked the character, so they put her in the 1993 video game Sonic the Hedgehog CD, as well as a few other minor spin-off titles, such as the Sonic Drift series. Third party developers also appeared to have latched onto the character, featuring her as a regular in many of the titles released between 1993 to 1998. Sonic Team decided to make her a canonical series staple beginning with the 1998 release of Sonic Adventure, and she's been here ever since!

Edited August 5, 2011 by HunterTSF