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So will there EVER be a chance that Marvel film studios actually gets Spider-Man back? I'm getting kind of sick of Sony cocking it up.

 

Only way I could see it happening is if Disney traded a equally (if not more) lucrative IP to Sony in exchange for the Spider-Man IP.

 

Even if the film becomes a failure with critics and (core) Spider-Man fans, it will undeniably be a commercial success with general audiences (unless word-of-mouth is really unfavorable to the point that the film bombs, then maybe Marvel could accuse Sony of poorly handling the IP and force them to give it up if the rights to the Spider-Man film IP allow Marvel to do such a thing).

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Why don't Disney very kindly ask SEGA to approach Sony and let them use Sonic instead? :P

Actually no, I want Sonic to be in Wreck It Ralph 2. Maybe if the films keep on getting lukewarm reviews, Marvel will demand the rights back? I hope they would keep Garfield though. I really like him.

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When the films stop racking in money, they'll lose interest in the IP and negotiate to give it back. But I can't imagine a day where a Spider-Man film doesn't bring in tons of money. The franchise is too valuable to Sony right now anyway considering their financial position.

 

The only other way I imagine is Disney negotiate a crazy deal but I doubt they need to since they have other things like TV rights under their wing, and obviously the huge Avengers franchise.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lHIhnpQ6cc&list=UUxb9vxwXJRI2ewsw7Dj8vgw

 

So according to SevenWebHeads, who is a major Spider Man fan, and who saw the movie today, there were some parts cut from the trailers and some parts changed around again...

 

What in the world? This is the second time Sony has done that. I would have imagined that they would have time to better prepare themselves for the sequel to not cut material from the trailers again. Strange.

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Went to see this first today (I'm honestly kind of confused as to why we quite often get super hero movies before the US but hey I can't complain) and found it to be pretty solid and enjoyable.  Not quite up there with Captain America The Winter Soldier but worth a watch.  I absolutely loved the action sequences.  They're crazy stylised and over the top but still incredibly detailed and very well shot such that it's almost never unclear as to what's happening.  Spidey's fight scenes against Electro were definitely the highlights, as they were simply captivating to watch in motion.  The visual portrayal of Spider-Man in this film, in my opinion, was absolutely spot on.  His suit is beautiful and looks like it was taken straight out the comics (seriously though the costume designer for his costume did an impeccable job) and the way he soars, flips and swings is just done in such an artful way.  The other element of Spidey's portrayal I really loved was just how he sympathised with his city.  The film really gave a sense that he didn't just save the people of the city because he was obligated to, but because he enjoyed doing so.  Whilst he knew it was his responsibility, he expressed a real sense of compassion for the city and its people.

 

The other main triumph of this film were Andrew Garfield's and Emma Stone's performances as Peter and Gwen and the relationship between the two.  The way the two interact with each other, especially given the context of their respective situations, was really well written and both of them gave really strong performances.  The chemistry between the two was even stronger here than in the first film, and miles stronger than anything between Tobey Maguire and Kirsten Dunst in the Sam Raimi films.  Dane Dehaan and Jamie Foxx also gave really solid performances as well.

 

My main issues with the film lay in the rather clumsy script and pacing as well as how much the tone of the film overall tends to fluctuate.  Unlike in Captain America, for example, where humour is quite cleverly injected into what its overall quite strong, stern tone; Spidey 2 doesn't quite know what kind of tone it wants to adopt.  The script and pacing were probably at their worst in the last 20 odd minutes of the film, as what should have been the most climatic part of the film felt a little rushed in areas, particularly in the final fight (which also wasn't particularly well shot or choreographed).

 

Still I enjoyed it for the most part.  As I said, not as good as Cap 2 but a fun film to watch nonetheless. 

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Saw the movie a few hours ago. I could be in the minority here, but this film was seriously brilliant for me. My worry about the movie being a clusterfuck were thankfully relieved as every plot thread the movie had was told naturally and solidly, nothing really feeling out of place. The human element Webb brings to the romantic dynamic of Peter and Gwen is still amazing, and everyone's performances were top notch here. Garfield continues to be the better of the two Spideys we've had on screen for me, and Stone is a wonderful Stacy. I have issues with some elements such as Peter and Harry's relationship still feeling relatively underdeveloped and Max Dillon's situation feeling... slightly unrealistic?

 

Some highlights for me:

  • Action scenes were top notch, and so were the swinging sequences through New York. Super entertaining to see. 
  • The costume is basically perfect. I see no reason to change it anymore.
  • Zimmer's soundtrack was a particular surprise for me. Spider-Man's new theme is ace.
  • Humour didn't feel forced anymore, it felt naturally delivered and in line with what I expect from Spider-Man.
  • Strong world building, setting up characters and locations future instalment casually. Even if it's for Sony's money grabbing eyes.
  • Peter's family. Aunt May and Peter's scenes were great and the continuing mystery of Peter's Dad was delivered in a non-disruptive and interesting way.

Honestly, I think this film captured what I've wanted from a Spider-Man film for a looooong time. It's not without fault but it's probably the most energetic and enjoyable Spider-Man films I felt fully engaged in.

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Saw the movie a few hours ago. I could be in the minority here, but this film was seriously brilliant for me. My worry about the movie being a clusterfuck were thankfully relieved as every plot thread the movie had was told naturally and solidly, nothing really feeling out of place. The human element Webb brings to the romantic dynamic of Peter and Gwen is still amazing, and everyone's performances were top notch here. Garfield continues to be the better of the two Spideys we've had on screen for me, and Stone is a wonderful Stacy. I have issues with some elements such as Peter and Harry's relationship still feeling relatively underdeveloped and Max Dillon's situation feeling... slightly unrealistic?

 

Some highlights for me:

  • Action scenes were top notch, and so were the swinging sequences through New York. Super entertaining to see. 
  • The costume is basically perfect. I see no reason to change it anymore.
  • Zimmer's soundtrack was a particular surprise for me. Spider-Man's new theme is ace.
  • Humour didn't feel forced anymore, it felt naturally delivered and in line with what I expect from Spider-Man.
  • Strong world building, setting up characters and locations future instalment casually. Even if it's for Sony's money grabbing eyes.
  • Peter's family. Aunt May and Peter's scenes were great and the continuing mystery of Peter's Dad was delivered in a non-disruptive and interesting way.

Honestly, I think this film captured what I've wanted from a Spider-Man film for a looooong time. It's not without fault but it's probably the most energetic and enjoyable Spider-Man films I felt fully engaged in.

So Goblin wasnt a hobo then? because thats what we were getting worried about

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So.

It's no secret that I hated the original TASM. Walking out of the theaters of that movie at first left me relatively okay about it, only for it to come crashing down when I really thought harder about it, something which only The Dark Knight Rises holds the dubious honors of alongside it. Walking out of the theaters for the second movie I don't really have that impression but it kind of made me think a little bit about things. If Raimi detractors were ones to condemn the original movies purely on the basis that the movies were just too damn corny, TASM2 ought to be an interesting movie to dissect because compared to the first TASM, the sequel opts for a tone that really has me believe someone shuffled the creative team around completely during it's sequel's inception.

TASM2 is a stupid movie, and quite frankly a bit of a disjointed mess. Actually scratch that - it's a completely disjointed mess. And yet somehow, I'm actually pleasantly surprised with how it turned out. Which is to say, instead of expecting it to be awful it's merely decent.

From a structural perspective the one thing I hated most about the original TASM is the fact that there is little to nothing memorable about it in terms of what it could provide as a Spider-Man movie or what it could even do as a Peter Parker movie. The former barely gets any screentime worth speaking of to justify any sort of bold new take on the action which Spider-Man should provide, with the only exception being his web swinging (which paved way for the fucking moronic crane scene making a huge deal of Spidey's attach points which, ironically, don't make a lick of difference in this movie). The latter is a mess of a character who can never settle on a concrete personality which made it hard to relate to the hero or even feel like being Peter Parker was supposed to be someone desirable.

TASM2 does very little to fix the latter and if the movie has any weaknesses this is where it already gets into play early on in the movie. The movie's predecessor did a haphazard job in painting up the romance between Peter and Gwen as anything more than pandering to a modern audience who are into the "romantic bad ass dudes" (not a criticism towards Gwen's character more than it is a criticism towards the movie itself painting a narrative where Peter's stalker attitude can be excused as "chemistry" between characters). Since then the movie changed it's screenwriters to Kurtzman and Orci, most notably responsible for their work on Transformers, and quite honestly, it shows. This hyped up chemistry between characters in this movie basically amounts to multiple scenes that are in concept no different from the romantic sub plot in Revenge of The Fallen. The scenes effectively waste a lot of the movie's running time in order to show characters pretending like they don't want to be with one another and so many of them are completely redundant. I don't care much for Kirsten Dunst in the original trilogy but when she put her foot down in Spider-Man 2 to move on with her life and refused to do any second guesses during Peter's desperation, the lack of any interaction between the two and her being serious about it meant more, because the hero is suffering the consequences for his lack of conviction. Here the movie retreads the same "I can't be with you" shtick within the first 20 minutes which the last movie implied that it was done with, and they still go on acting like they're a couple afterwards because of how much interaction they get, some of it even being by sheer coincidence. There's an incredible lack of subtlety, even if it plays with the idea of it - particularly with how many photos Peter looks at every once in a while, which elicit more of a reaction than anything else involving words.

Where TASM2 improves substantially over it's predecessor though, it's with the former - Spider-Man himself. If you're in the movie just for the sake of seeing Spider-Man be Spider-Man, you can't really go wrong with it. The movie is substantially making up for it's lack of action in it's predecessor here and amping things up pretty well. Spidey has no more stupid excuses for not web swinging and goes all out with his movements. Despite the sometimes awkward video game styled CGI, when the movie gets going, it provides a lot of thrills. If it weren't for The Winter Soldier coming out just recently, this movie might have had the best comic book-styled action to show in a movie, as long as it would ditch those tacky as hell lens flares. Obviously, a lot of it is undermined by the fact that we've seen so much of it in trailers and I didn't take it lightly how all these latest months we've basically seen the entire movie with how much it's showing off. But the movie sets up some cinematic fun regardless, partially thanks to Zimmer's score. If I hope this movie, and The Winter Soldier, teaches Hollywood anything, it's that you don't need overly orchestrated scores to set a good scene. Adding an action pumped soundtrack with other instrumental focus adds onto the feeling of a comic book that's come alive. The electronic chops give some good vibes here and there, a lot of which makes Electro a relative scene stealer. And surprise surprise, Spidey is actually kind of funny in this one, not just Batman with a cornier sense of humor.

So what about everything else? I was worried about the villain divide. In a way my worries were kind of justified but not the way I expected it to be. Rhino really does take a backseat and despite the kind of character he's meant to be he's treated more like a punchline to a joke, so in the grand scheme of things he's largely expendable. However, his inclusion makes me question why Sony thought he deserved equal billings to the other villains. In fact, if they kept him under wraps his inclusion would have been a pretty pleasant surprise despite the fact that he has guns now.

Electro has a fun powerset in the movie which is easily cause for the more interesting action scenes, but as is the case with a lot of other elements in this movie the character himself is... kind of stupid. I actually made fun of his villain motivation a while ago and I still think that stands, but I didn't know the tragedy of his character would be played up to this kind of degree, and to me that attributes to a whole lot of why I think this movie is a complete cheese fest. Each consequence or development in this movie is played up to levels where it's plainly obvious that the creators want you to think "this is important" for any sort of twist to come later in the movie. The character is not only mentally fucked in the head but it is ridiculous how Max is treated with such abandon. Before his transformation I actually told myself "I'm literally watching a movie where Sony paid top billings in order to get Jamie Foxx on set to be treated like he's road side trash".

I've said once that Electro's depiction in this movie could, given the circumstances, have taken the forefront of this movie. His build-up screams "character arc" and for the most of the part the craziness of him is endearing in a way, because it reminds me of Sandman in Spider-Man 3 - a bit of an Anti-Villain who you kind of hope gets a proper sendoff. Unfortunately, much like Spider-Man 3, that gets completely thrown to the side when Green Goblin enters the scene. Literally, he is this movie's weakest link and a complete scene stealer in the worst possible way. Dane DeHaan is decent enough as Harry on his own but as Goblin he feels literally shoved into the movie in the last minute with a weak as hell justification, not only robbing the focus of Electro but also just doing a huge disservice to the character itself.

As for other side notes; the mystery behind Peter's parents feels like it's in here just for the sake of wanting to wrap it up. It still adds literally nothing to the plot but I'm glad that it's actually done and dusted. I'm glad that Aunt May is finally pulling some weight here and actually being a good, endearing character. She's not reaching Rosemary Harris levels yet, but a scene near the end of the movie gets her close. And also the product placement was dumb.

Overall The Amazing Spider-Man 2 is completely all over the place in terms of what it does right and what it does wrong. The things it does right it does better than it's predecessor and the things it does wrong it kind of does even worse, but for me that's a much preferable result which generally had me enjoying the movie a bit more than I expected. The biggest crime TASM really did for me was just be boring (in the dark, damp and dreary way), and for me that is really the biggest offense a movie can possibly do, because I'd have a much better time enjoying myself if I went in to watch a movie that's so bad it's good rather than wasting my time. But TASM2 provides some interesting thrills on different levels with a more colorful direction and visual design, and the good parts of the movie are pretty fun to behold. It's overall a marked improvement over it's predecessor, because instead of feeling like a boring cash grab it feels like this movie actually had some effort gone into it. My main problem boils down it's inconsistency in terms of showing the good parts and the bad, a lot of which doesn't serve a lot of purpose, which considering the credentials should be expected of Orci and Kurtzman. But if nothing else, it was nice to see a movie where Spider-Man actually looks and acts like Spider-Man, and in an ideal world, if a Spider-Man movie could combine Webb's sensibilities for an action hero's edge with Raimi's creative talent for depicting scenes where we're just following the every day life of some regular guy, I think that would have made for a damn good Spider-Man movie.

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So Goblin wasnt a hobo then? because thats what we were getting worried about

 

No, Goblin actually had a kinda cool backstory to how he ends up the way he is. The only issue is it doesn't pack the punch it should because Peter and Harry's friendship is underdeveloped in the movie. There's only one sequence they feel like "friends".

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No, though I wouldn't put it past still being a possibility I guess. Movie spoilers -

 

Norman Osborn dies early in the film, but that could have been faked, who knows? Maybe Norman just wanted out of the lime light. But Harry is the Goblin for now, the way he looks is a response to his illness, hence why the costume looks so... organic.

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So from the general consensus in this thread so far, it sounds like TASM 2 is pretty damn good and not as disjointed as we feared out to be.

Now it comes down to actually seeing it for myself.

The movie's main problem is that it is disjointed. The pacing and editing is fucked and the movie juggles way too many subplots and people involved, some of which should have been explored in the original movie.

The thing is, when compared to the original, many of those individual moments manage to salvage the enterprise from mediocrity with some good enough directing and nice set pieces. It's got a lot of good eye candy to it. An audience attending to the movie merely for the sake of Spider-Man will find a lot of good among some of the bloat. It ends up being relatively entertaining as long as you can stomach some incredibly stupid plot elements that make it drag a bit and doesn't really add much in the grand scheme of things.

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The movie's main problem is that it is disjointed. The pacing and editing is fucked and the movie juggles way too many subplots and people involved, some of which should have been explored in the original movie.

The thing is, many of those individual moments manage to salvage the enterprise from mediocrity with some good enough directing and nice set pieces. It ends up being relatively entertaining as long as you can stomach some incredibly stupid plot elements that make it drag a bit and doesn't really add much in the grand scheme of things.

Well I was referring to general consensus on this thread, and it sounds it not as disjointed as we feared it to be.

 

This also sounds like something you probably won't like of you didn't like the first film.

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Well I was referring to general consensus on this thread, and it sounds it not as disjointed as we feared it to be.

 

This also sounds like something you probably won't like of you didn't like the first film.

I dunno, I enjoyed the sequel for what it was and detested the original for it's unremarkability. This one does some things that I'd put into an ideal Spider-Man movie but fumbles a bit too much for it to really have me call it "great".

I can't say about people who did like the first but this one is less safe and tries to wear more hats than one, so I won't speak for those people.

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ASM2 is my favourite Spider-Man film.

 

The chemistry between Stone and Garfield was brilliant in pretty much every scene they did. Their acting felt so natural. It made the dynamic of their relationship fascinating to watch. I do prefer Garfield's performance as Spider-Man compared to Maguire. He just feels more natural in the role.

 

The special effects, web slinging sequences and especially some of the web shooting sequences when Spidey fights Electro look so good. Even the slow-mo's look nice. 

 

The part of the story involving Peter's father was interesting, and arguably could have been flushed out more.

 

The fights scenes with Electro were some of the best I've seen out of the Spider-Man films. He was the kind of evil villain that you like-feel sorry for. I wish they had done more to develop his character. I really enjoyed Dane DeHann's portrayal of Harry Osborn. He was arguably the most interesting character in the film. He seems like a good up and coming actor. I do think his relationship with Parker should have been explored more. Definitely missed potential.

 

The humor was good. Stan Lee's cameo could have been better, haha.

 

I like how the cops and citizens all seem to warm to Spider-Man this time. They very much see him as the hero and not some menace which makes a nice change.

 

I like how the ASM films feel closer to the comic books.

 

A third film is pretty much guaranteed. There's a lot of potential there.

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I also believe this film to be superior to the first.  My little review may have undersold how much I did actually enjoy the film for what it's worth.  It's definitely got its issues in places, but I would say it's my favourite Spidey film to date as well.

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When it comes to the design, Spidey's action movements and the score are about the only things about this movie I'll say are things I really like.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NooHDkVxd0E

With The Winter Soldier also foregoing traditional orchestra for some hardcore battle tunes I hope it and TASM2 can set the stage for future movies of their ilk.

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*puts sock in mouth*

I don't get how they did it, this movie looked like the biggest clusterfuck ever but they pulled it off. It's now probably my second favourite Spider-Man movie. Andrew Garfield was actually comprehensible, it felt like a comic book and Dane DeHaan blew me away.

Anyway I have a few problems with the movie which I'll post below

 

 

 
  • As good as Gwen's death scene was I was kind of taken out of it by this web-hand... thing. It's incredibly out of place and cheesier than even the crane scene from the first one.
  • Rhino sucks. His design is incredibly top heavy and cumbersome, the Iron Monger from Iron Man looks more like the Rhino. Plus why does he have machine guns and missiles when he has a GIANT FUCKING HORN ON HIS HEAD THAT HE DIDN'T USE?
  • The final shot itself, the film just... ends.
  • They gave away nearly everything in the trailers and what they didn't was cut in the end.

But my biggest gripe so far is this

  • We find out that Peter's Dad worked on the spider's that bit Peter and that some of Richard's blood was in the venom. Richard explains that it will only work with people that also have his DNA. So effectively only Peter would be able to become Spider-Man. They removed the possibility that anyone could have become Spider-Man, they removed the "every man" factor which was one of the draws of the comics. So now he's some kind of "chosen one" and I've always felt that that's one of the cheapest ways of making a character important.

 

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