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New PS4 details: PlayStation Orbis with devs already, won’t play PS3 disks and features anti-used game tech
[url=http://www.sonicstadium.org/out.php?http://www.officialplaystationmagazine.co.uk/author/lhurley/]Leon Hurley

at 04:51pm March 28 2012

New rumors have emerged regarding PS4. Sources claim it’s currently called Orbis (and that might be the actual name) it uses both an AMD CPU and GPU, and has a release date of sometime around the 2013 ‘holiday season’ (that’s Christmas in England). Dev kits are already with ‘select’ developers and it will also apparently feature some kind of anti-used game functionality

According to Kotaku the information’s from “a reliable source who is not authorized to talk publicly about next-gen hardware but has shared correct information with us before”. Clearly whoever they are don’t quite get the concept of ‘not talking publicly’. Maybe they need a check list: Are you talking to a journalist? Yes? Then shut the hell up.

The name’s interesting as it’s been pointed out that ‘Orbis Vita’, or Orbis Vitae in proper Latin apparently means ‘circle of life’. If the info is correct it suggests PS4 and PS Vita could be tightly linked in the future. Sony’s UK MD and VP Fergal Gara has spoken before about the [url=http://www.sonicstadium.org/out.php?http://www.officialplaystationmagazine.co.uk/2012/03/13/sony-boss-predicts-10-year-life-for-ps-vita-psp-not-dead-either/]PS Vita’s ten year life span, clearly indicating it’ll be around to transition from PS3 to 4. [url=http://www.sonicstadium.org/out.php?http://www.officialplaystationmagazine.co.uk/2012/02/22/michael-denny-on-the-ps-vitas-uk-launch-japanese-sales-and-sonys-multiplatform-future/2/]Michel Denny on the other hand has also talked about “a PlayStation ecosystem: a high-end home console and a high-end portable console that really talk to each other”.

Adding further credence to the name is the fact that Orbis.SCEDev.net is a functioning URL on the SCEDev.net website. It doesn’t actually go to a PS4 page but it works so it means something to Sony. Try swapping ‘PS4′ for ‘Orbis’ in the address bar and it returns an error.

The hardware being discussed is an AMD x64 CPU and AMD Southern Islands GPU. [url=http://www.sonicstadium.org/out.php?http://www.officialplaystationmagazine.co.uk/2012/02/23/more-ps4-news-amd-may-be-working-on-chips-for-sonys-unannounced-console/]Leaked AMD info has been linked to PS4 in the past but nothing specific. Apparently the Southern Islands name is part of a range of high end PC cards that can handle 4096×2160 resolutions, suggesting Sony are being very forward thinking in terms of TV screen sizes.

Less exciting are claims that PS4 won’t even bother with backwards compatibility for PS3 games and utilise some sort of anti-used game features – either through digital downloads or linking disks to PSN accounts. I don’t like the sound of that at all.

Thanks [url=http://www.sonicstadium.org/out.php?http://kotaku.com/5896996/the-next-playstation-is-called-orbis-sources-say-here-are-the-details]Kotaku

[url=http://www.sonicstadium.org/out.php?http://www.officialplaystationmagazine.co.uk/2012/03/28/new-ps4-details-playstation-orbis-with-devs-already-features-anti-used-games-mechanism/]http://www.officialp...ames-mechanism/
 

PS4/Orbis images leak – suggest smartphone integration
[url=http://www.sonicstadium.org/out.php?http://www.officialplaystationmagazine.co.uk/author/lhurley/]Leon Hurley

at 10:50pm March 28 2012

Adding more weight to Kotaku’s earlier claims about the rumoured [url=http://www.sonicstadium.org/out.php?http://www.officialplaystationmagazine.co.uk/2012/03/28/new-ps4-details-playstation-orbis-with-devs-already-features-anti-used-games-mechanism/]PS4, named Orbis, are two illustrations from from The Velvet Owl Design studio. They appear to show a PSEye-like device linked to a smartphone.

The images are gone from the site now, obviously, but if you search for “Illustrations & Sketches for new PlayStation Orbis features”, the original title of the post, you can just about see it still in the cached page image.

The two things we can learn from this are, 1) Kotaku might be onto something and, 2) people are a lot uglier in the future.


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Thanks [url=http://www.sonicstadium.org/out.php?http://kotaku.com/5897139/sketches-of-playstation-orbis-features-surface-then-disappear]Kotaku

[url=http://www.sonicstadium.org/out.php?http://www.officialplaystationmagazine.co.uk/2012/03/28/more-ps4orbis-info-images-leak/]http://www.officialp...fo-images-leak/

It certainly sounds interesting. The name Orbis just makes me think of Orbit chewing gum, though. Smartphone and PS Vita connectivity sound and look pretty cool. Lack of backwards compatibility sucks, and I don't think they should go as far as linking discs to PSN accounts to prevent piracy. That's going a bit too far.

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Wait, used-game block?

Well that sucks. I want to be able to save some money, but no, Sony needs to be greedy...........

And backwards compatibility is pretty much a standard thing now, so i can't see why they can't do it.

Edited by Chaos Warp

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This sounds a lot like those Xbox 720 rumours with the anti-used game system.

Don't know if its true yet, wouldn't be surprised though, especially if the likes of Activision and/or EA are lobbying for such a feature.

Ideal situation would be to not have it, or that link Disks to the system.

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Used game block oh nos!

Didn't we have this rumour when the PS3 was coming out? And when the PS2 was coming out... and when the Vita was coming out?

I cannot see this happening because it instantly destroys the whole 'lets play this game at my friends house' thing. Although technically online passes would knock out online mode already if you did that.

As a side question though... recently it was rumoured that the next Xbox would be digital only, even if Sony went down the road of 'games for one console/psn account' would this be a big plus in it's favour if the Xbox did indeed end up being digital only?

No backwards compatability

8 years ago this was a big deal when I had my PS2 and an army of games... 1 year after getting my backwards compatible PS3 I think I only ever played Sonic Riders on it. It's not a big deal to me at all.

And backwards compatibility is pretty much a standard thing now, so i can't see why they can't do it.

How is it standard when just about every new console lately is getting rid of it in some way, shape or form? Wasn't there a big deal made a few weeks ago about the Wii-U not being able to play... something. Vita can't play PSP games and if the new Xbox is digital only... buy buy any compatability.

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Of course Sony, Nintendo etc don't make money when used games are traded in shops and re-sold for cheap. So the idea that you will only be able play and buy a new game makes sence from their point of view. Makes me wonder if a new game on the PS4 would cost on average $50 to $60. The days of cheap games may soon disappear.

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Anti-used game features, huh? Honestly, what is with this industry's beef with used games?

If you sell me your copy of a game, they don't get money.

Simultaneously hurts the consumer though. I mean its not really like EA needs any more money than it already has. They make so much money off of day one Fifa sales that they shouldn't really care.

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If you sell me your copy of a game, they don't get money.

Simultaneously hurts the consumer though. I mean its not really like EA needs any more money than it already has. They make so much money off of day one Fifa sales that they shouldn't really care.

Because they want to have more then they already have!

Anyway, hopefully the anti-used games thing is fake, and if it's not...well........I have another reason to be Microsoft Console4lyfe, besides the fact I grew up on Xboxes.

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Because they want to have more then they already have!

Anyway, hopefully the anti-used games thing is fake, and if it's not...well........I have even more reasons to be Xbox4lyfe.

Not really. If rumours are to be believed, then the neXtbox would also be implementing a similar system and/or will be totally digital.

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Not really. If rumours are to be believed, then the neXtbox would also be implementing a similar system and/or will be totally digital.

Well hot damn....I don't mind the sound of the digital idea (I still like to have actual copies of games, but it's not a huge downer), but if Xbox is doing that anti-used thing too......god damn I will hack my console to remove it. Seriously. I save lots of money buying games used.

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Well hot damn....I don't mind the sound of the digital idea (I still like to have actual copies of games, but it's not a huge downer), but if Xbox is doing that too......god damn I will hack my console to remove it. Seriously. I save lots of money buying games used.

You can't buy "used" digital games. So if the neXtBox is digital, it will pretty much automatically have an anit-used-game system implemented. Besides, I think doing something like this would be a PR disastar for both Sony and Microsoft, so I won't believe it, till I see it on the consoles' white paper for myself.

Sony got boo'd for AT&T for the Vita3G, I imagine both Sony AND Microsoft would get boo'd into oblivion if they so much as hint at this. Plus, it would just mean people would flock right over to the already established Wii U, resulting in what is essentially a still birth.

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You can't buy "used" digital games.

Good point. DERP on my part!

So if the neXtBox is digital, it will pretty much automatically have an anit-used-game system implemented. Besides, I think doing something like this would be a PR disastar for both Sony and Microsoft, so I won't believe it, till I see it on the consoles' white paper for myself.

Sony got boo'd for AT&T for the Vita3G, I imagine both Sony AND Microsoft would get boo'd into oblivion if they so much as hint at this. Plus, it would just mean people would flock right over to the already established Wii U, resulting in what is essentially a still birth.

Yeah, I can see that. Both Sony and Microsoft would be pretty damn stupid if they tried to pull that, especially with disk-based games. With downloadable games, I see anti-used as less of a problem, because if they keep the "Games go down in price as they get older", thing, and yet they were still in the neXtBox game database, it would be way easier to find them, instead of hunting stores for an older game. I feel that's a decent tradeoff.

Edited by Chaos Warp

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The issue with used games is price. Retailers and publishers enjoy jacking up prices for brand new games, even when they're fairly old. Such things shouldn't happen. If games noticably depreciated in price, brand new or otherwise, people wouldn't need to go searching for pre-owned or used games. People who want to sell their game should be given an option to sell it back to the retailer or even publishers, who'll then put it out on sale again themselves.

Edited by Scar

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Yeah, the anti-used-game thing would be be utter suicide for Microsoft and Sony, as much as it would be a wet dream for greedy publishers. They could not be possibly be that stu-

Oh, who am I kidding, more idiotic things have happened in this industry.

Edited by Masaru Daimon

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Yeah, the anti-used-game thing would be be utter suicide for Microsoft and Sony, as much as it would be a wet dream for greedy publishers. They could not be possibly be that stu-

Oh, who am I kidding, more idiotic things have happened in this industry.

With publishers.

Not sure if console makers are going to be foolish enough to do so. It would be fine technically, if Nintendo employed a similar system, but they haven't as far as we're aware, so basically if Sony and Microsoft were to do this, they may as well just hand money to Nintendo themselves. Somehow I don't see this happening, but I'll stay tentative for now.

I also think whoever releases their console last, will also have the benefit of perspective. If they see that the Anti-used scheme cause uproar and hatred, they may well be swayed into believing perhaps its not as good an idea as they once thought.

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Scenario: Microsoft adopt digital only... Sony adopts games locked to single PSN accounts.

Result is... what exactly?

Now... with the exception of Xbox owners that either don't have the internet/good enough internet to download games.... or have download limits that restrict the numbers of games they can download each month...

Is this going to affect anyone? If they both do it, as much as a complete bastard as that would be, all these millions of people who have built up their PSN/XBL accounts are just going to say no and not bother? Somehow I doubt that, I doubt very much that the majority of people won't buy the new consoles if they have these drastic changes on them since most people have spent the best part of 6 years building up an identity on them in some way.

I don't want them to do this because I want to go into a game store and find an epic second hand bargain, much like I did 3 weeks ago when I bought all those games for under £3. But if it did happen, as big as a bastard as it would be, doesn't anyone really expect a mass migration of people?

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Locking out used games is stupid.

What are players going to do when the system is out of production, and the prices for new copies become extremely high? They either fork over the money or they're fucked? Sounds like a dick move to me.

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I've been with Playstation my entire life, and you know what? Yes, I would call it quits if Sony did something as ludicrous as this for their next console; and I don't doubt that I'll be part of the majority. I'll just buy whatever console doesn't do its best to swindle me out of my money and stick with that for the console generation. No way in hell am I going to let something like this go through without any sort of protest.

Oh, and my physical money is more than a little bit more valuable to me than my trophy collection, so no, I don't think my "PSN identity" matters very much in that regard.

Agreed. This is blatant anti-consumer douchery, and I ain't givin' no money to any company that perpetuates it.

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I've been with Playstation my entire life, and you know what? Yes, I would call it quits if Sony did something as ludicrous as this for their next console; and I don't doubt that I'll be part of the majority. I'll just buy whatever console doesn't do its best to swindle me out of my money and stick with that for the console generation. No way in hell am I going to let something like this go through without any sort of protest.

Oh, and my physical money is more than a little bit more valuable to me than my trophy collection, so no, I don't think my "PSN identity" matters very much in that regard.

Yeah, whoever does it will be driving themselves out of the console business.

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Indeed, a digital-only console or something like this was proven to be a terrible idea, at least at this time, when the PSP GO completely bombed. Publishers and some devs would love the idea, but common sense dictates that unless all three consoles do it (and the WiiU isn't doing it, it seems, Nintendo seem to have some sense), any of the three who do it will be simply shooting themselves in both legs instead.

Edit: Oh, and to add to the hilarity? Apparently, the system has a "always online" DRM scheme. Like Ubisoft's. Which everyone knows sucks donkey balls. If this is true, Sony really is trying to kill their chances of actually selling their next console, huh?

Edited by Masaru Daimon

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Sony adopts games locked to single PSN accounts.

Result is... what exactly?

Locking them to PSN accounts wouldn't make much sense, seeing as Jez and I both use the PS3 with different accounts. If anything it would be locked to the console itself. If you've more than one gamer in your family you're not about to buy a different copy of the game per person.

I can't be the only person who isn't all that bothered about having to buy new games? You can just wait a while for it to go down in price. It's boring to wait but I tend to do it anyway because I'd rather save the money. I'm not against pre-owned games either, we all like to save money, but I can understand why the industry would want to be rid of them.

As for backwards compatibility, that's never bothered me because we still own all our old consoles anyway.

I dunno, maybe it is just me. I don't buy a lot of games because, at the moment, there are all that many that appeal to me.

Edited by Mollfie

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Is this going to affect anyone? If they both do it, as much as a complete bastard as that would be, all these millions of people who have built up their PSN/XBL accounts are just going to say no and not bother? Somehow I doubt that, I doubt very much that the majority of people won't buy the new consoles if they have these drastic changes on them since most people have spent the best part of 6 years building up an identity on them in some way.

I dunno about you, but the last thing on my mind when it comes to dealing with anti-consumer dickery like this is "but what about my E-Penis?!"

I've bought Sony consoles as a rule 15 years now, and I'll still walk away and never look back.

I can't be the only person who isn't all that bothered about having to buy new games? You can just wait a while for it to go down in price.

If MS/Sony give publishers that much control over the market, they won't go down in price.

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