Sonic & All-Stars Racing Transformed...!

[S0L]

Just catching up on stuff...!

Hey SOL, great to see you back here. The new game looks fantastic and I cannot wait to see more of this game in the coming months.

Got some questions for you anyway here but it's mostly music related than game play seeing I am already impressed by it Better have a After Burner track XD

1. Will Richard Jacques be returning to do the music for the game such as the menu music and stuff like last time ? since I enjoyed the music he provided.

2.In the last game, there was a main theme song for All Star Racing (So Much More) so is there going to be a main theme song along with the game ?

3. Will we see any Third Party Characters again like how Banjo - Kazooie was on S&SASR again but on certain consoles such as Mario/Mii's for the Wii U/3DS, Banjo/Avatars for 360 and Wipeout styled car for PS3 for example)

and finally

4. Will the stages have remixes to the levels than just recycled music from previous games (like how Flying Battery from Sonic 3 was remixed in Mario and Sonic 2012 for example)

Hope you will answer my questions if you can =]. Really excited about the game.

Can we have Daniel Bryan in the YEScar ?

1. Yep, Rich is very much involved, which make me happy, Rich happy and hopefully everyone else happy

2. We'll have main theme of course, not sure it'll be a CD release like Bentleys last time!

3. Sorry - can't answer this right now!

4. We are doing remixes, I've posted earlier in this thread about the dynamic music - go and have a look for that

Hey S0L, nice to meet you, I didn't know someone from the Sumo Digital was registered here, awesome!

I have 2 question:

Do you guys are thinking (or have thought) in the possibility of including classic Sonic, Tails and Eggman from Sonic Generations, perhaps as a costume bonus for each of these chars? I'm pretty sure would make many fans really happy

And also, we can expect more tracks from characters/universes that aren't in the game? Like tracks from Kid Chameleon, Comix Zone, STREETS OF RAGE, Power Stone and etc, etc, etc?

Although I have an AWESOME piece of concept art for a classic Sonic car based on his Sonic Drift car, we're not planning classic versions of characters right now. Remember this is an All-Star, we want to get a lot of characters in, and they're complex builds, so best not to have two Sonics

As to more universes, yes absolutely!

Time for my question to the mighty SOL

1 will we be able to see some extra vehicles for some/all characters?

2 I really liked Eggman's Monster Truck back in the previous game...any chance of seeing it again?

3 As for Tails, he has very cool ground/air vehicle in Sonic Adventure 2, his tornado was actually pretty cool. did u consider it?

4 Are the DLC still determined by SEGA? Do u have more decisional power this time around?

5 are u going to include tracks from franchises without making characters from that franchise playable?

6 did u put a sort of "customization" for the racetracks?

7 Are the arenas coming back? (possibly more than the last one)

8...Not actually a question... my guy in the avatar is looking at u... I think that's enough

1. Isn't three enough, each character has his own car, plane and boat? Wow! No, we're not planning alternate vehicles for any characters, we'd have to be insane

2. Nope, Eggman crashed it, so he had to build a new one

3. We did a concept based on the Tornado, but it wasn't really working. Instead we've (as some folk have spotted) based it on an upgraded version of the ASR plane... And the Sonic Drift car!

4. Can't talk DLC right now. SEGA still get to pick of course, they pay the bills!

5. Not saying - sorry!

6. Not sure I know what you mean here?

7. Sorry can't answer this... yet!

8. Should I be worried?

Haven't been following the thread too well so I don't know if S0L has already been asked this question, but I was wondering if fans could expect to see some clearer screenshots of Vyse and Gilius (and perhaps even their artwork) before this year's E3 (where I assume more characters will be revealed). From the screenshots and gameplay clips we had I couldn't really get a good idea of how Vyse looks/plays in-game, and I don't recall seeing any media for Gilius at all even though he was already confirmed. Thanks in advance for your answer btw! Still real excited to try out Vyse in particular (as well as some of the supposedly "leaked" characters if they are true)! ;P

We will have some shots out soon, SEGA wanted to start showcasing Sonic, but we've provided shots and some other things for SEGA to release.

You can actually see the mine item in the video.

S0L I have some questions for you... if you cant answer it no worries:

-Are some of the new items based on a SEGA franchise? like... I dunno a spray can item from JSR. (No need to specify, a simple no or yes is enough )

-Are the stage hazards returning? I guess this is almost a given, but are stage hazards like the zombies on the house of the dead track or bananas on monkeyball tracks coming back? I would love if the dragon from panzer dragoon was a hazard

Bear in mind any weapons in the video are old placeholders, we'll be talking about new weapons shortly...

Hazards of course are part of the game, and chance for us to do some fan service too

1. No, 1 vehicle, for one character

2. Eggman's monster truck isn't returning, its more of a Tank with 6 wheels, and is red.

3. his vehicle was more re-designed from Sonic Drift, and for the record the SA2 car and tornado were not "cool"

4. DLC at this stage...? *laughs* no, its still in production, DLC is normally considered after final production or release.

5. Panzer Dragoon? question answered.

6. i don't think this sort of game has that extensive feature for track creation and so on.

7. probably

8. i have faith Ryo will be returning, considering the impact he created in the first game, caused quite a stir in the SEGA Dreamcast boy's hearts.

I like I'm getting help with the answers here! Want to come help in the SEGA forums

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[PsychoJosh]

i don't think so, given the scale of the Dragons compared to the racers, its highly unlikely

Who says that it'll be a dragon? If a Panzer Dragoon character gets in the game, it'll be one of the humans riding a vehicle that resembles a dragon. Riding an actual dragon is out of the question because A) they're too big adn how are you going to do drifting and boating on a creature that ambulates with its feet? Come on, use some common sense here. The game is about AUTO RACING, every other character uses a motorized vehicle, the PD character will be no different.

Edited May 4, 2012 by PsychoJosh

[Rawpowered]

Who says that it'll be a dragon? If a Panzer Dragoon character gets in the game, it'll be one of the humans riding a vehicle that resembles a dragon. Riding an actual dragon is out of the question because A) they're too big adn how are you going to do drifting and boating on a creature that ambulates with its feet? Come on, use some common sense here. The game is about AUTO RACING, every other character uses a motorized vehicle, the PD character will be no different.

If Gilius' Vehicle involves A Bull creature and a Sea Turtle as vehicles then I'm sure a Dragon can be done.

[DaN]

6. Not sure I know what you mean here?

8. Should I be worried?

6. I mean, something like weather changing, or simply changing the % of ground/ air section/ water section.

8. YES YOU SHOULD :D

Anyway I reminded another question:

1 In the trailer I see Sonic flying in the panzer dragoon stage in a section with water under him. Is it possible to use (for example) a kind of weapon to hit a racer and let him fall in the water then force him to transform his vehicle in a boat? I heard one of the placeholder weapon is an ice cube that freezes the racers...is that possible to do that in the air, blocking a racer, and then forcing him to transform into another vehicle without touching any circle?

[dabbido]

Thanks for the answer S0L! Cant wait to see more info! =)

[sonfan1984]

Are we going to get more information and gameplay videos from E3 this year?

[PsychoJosh]

If Gilius' Vehicle involves A Bull creature and a Sea Turtle as vehicles then I'm sure a Dragon can be done.

Except for the fact that Gilius's vehicle isn't an actual creature. It was described in an interview as a sort of "statue on wheels" that turns into other stuff. So no, a dragon can't be done.

[DaN]

they better give me ryo hazuki in a morphing version of the forklift, that would be AWESOME

[Barry the Nomad]

@Jango: Just a nerdy correction: Power Stone is a Capcom game. The only connection it has to SEGA is that it released as a Dreamcast exclusive. SEGA can't include anything Power Stone related in any of their games nor can they rerelease it. All 100% Capcom.

[Badnik Mechanic]

how are you going to do drifting and boating on a creature that ambulates with its feet? Come on, use some common sense here. The game is about AUTO RACING, every other character uses a motorized vehicle, the PD character will be no different.

There is no common sense... there is only Opa-Opa.

AUTO RACING, every other character uses a motorized vehicle

Here be Dragons froggy.

If they want a character in a dragon... then there will be dragons, reality isn't going to stop them, not in this game /Brucie.

Also I was wondering, not sure if this has been answered already. If there is a story mode, does that mean there is a boss? Even if you can't play/pick him, would it not suggest that there is a boss in the final stage? Unless all characters have a different story mode/rival.

[Lady Soniko]

I like I'm getting help with the answers here! Want to come help in the SEGA forums

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SEGA Forums? i'll take my chances here S0L unless you'd like help haha

Who says that it'll be a dragon? If a Panzer Dragoon character gets in the game, it'll be one of the humans riding a vehicle that resembles a dragon. Riding an actual dragon is out of the question because A) they're too big adn how are you going to do drifting and boating on a creature that ambulates with its feet? Come on, use some common sense here. The game is about AUTO RACING, every other character uses a motorized vehicle, the PD character will be no different.

just like a plane, space craft and a living ship with feet where able to drift in ASR1? fyi the dragon from Zwei could fly also and would probably take the same drift mechanic as Tails/Ula La/ Opa Opa. Chu Chu's did,its game logic, it doesn't have to make sense as long as it looks good doing it.

what's the point in having a random human from the PD series ride a vehicle from the PD verse? there isn't one, it needs to have some sort of gimmick or relevance to the series fans can remember from the series...you know an "All Star" , and the only characters you tend to remember from PD are the dragon riders and main enemies, YOU try using common sense and see that your argument is invalid

[PsychoJosh]

There is no common sense... there is only Opa-Opa.

just like a plane, space craft and a living ship with feet where able to drift in ASR1? fyi the dragon from Zwei could fly also and would probably take the same drift mechanic as Tails/Ula La/ Opa Opa. Chu Chu's did,its game logic, it doesn't have to make sense as long as it looks good doing it.

You guys do realize you just defeated your own arguments, right? Opa Opa IS A VEHICLE, he FLIES, he is a ship, he doesn't EVER use his feet in the first game (except for the sole purpose of getting OFF of them). This game IS NOT like the first one, it has distinct modes where you're on the ground and on land, thus there can be no more "hovering" vehicles since that would be rendered redundant by the flying mode.

A character from PD, like all the other characters in this game, would have to have a land-driving mode distinct from its air-driving mode. Since PD has land and air modes for its dragons that's already covered, but it would also have to be able to drift on land while going at high speed. It would have to be small enough to fit on the track. Plus if a dragon can still hover off the ground in its land mode what's stopping it from just taking off into the air altogether? Your logic completely falls apart. Thanks for trying

There is absolutely no reason to NOT make it an artificial, mechanized dragon-like vehicle. Everything you're proposing has inherent design flaws, fixed by a simple solution like the one I proposed. You can't just make up some completely daft brain-defying suggestions and then sweep it under the rug as "video game logic". That's terrible game design. It has to at least make a modicum of sense.

Here be Dragons froggy.

If they want a character in a dragon... then there will be dragons, reality isn't going to stop them, not in this game /Brucie.

Ah yes, Froggy, widely considered to be the worst all-star move in the game and you couldn't even control him. You couldn't drift with Froggy, you couldn't do a damn thing with him. It was basically an autopilot mode like all the other all-stars and plus it doesn't fit into this game since it has entirely new mechanics. My argument still stands quite strong, thanks for demonstrating that with this post

what's the point in having a random human from the PD series ride a vehicle from the PD verse? there isn't one, it needs to have some sort of gimmick or relevance to the series fans can remember from the series...you know an "All Star" , and the only characters you tend to remember from PD are the dragon riders and main enemies, YOU try using common sense and see that your argument is invalid

I wouldn't know, I never played PD, are you certain it has no human characters? As far as I can tell the dragoons are mostly just steeds in the game and used basically as tools for the protagonists to complete their objectives. If this is the case, then a human character riding an artificial dragoon would be sufficient. I see no reason why it can't happen, and your arguments so far have completely failed at demonstrating otherwise.

Edited May 5, 2012 by PsychoJosh

[Lady Soniko]

A character from PD, like all the other characters in this game, would have to have a land-driving mode distinct from its air-driving mode. Since PD has land and air modes for its dragons that's already covered, but it would also have to be able to drift on land while going at high speed. It would have to be small enough to fit on the track. Plus if a dragon can still hover off the ground in its land mode what's stopping it from just taking off into the air altogether? Your logic completely falls apart. Thanks for trying

Tail's default vehicle was an airplane, Ula La's was a space ship etc. what stopped them from flying off the course in the first in theory?

bottom line is, anything can be a land based vehicle as long as it isn't on legs which woul cancel out the drift feature.

in fact you just shot your original point out the water yourself... Panzer Dragoon won't be making the character roster.

I wouldn't know, I never played PD, are you certain it has no human characters? As far as I can tell the dragoons are mostly just steeds in the game and used basically as tools for the protagonists to complete their objectives. If this is the case, then a human character riding an artificial dragoon would be sufficient. I see no reason why it can't happen, and your arguments so far have completely failed at demonstrating otherwise.

the only characters that i distinctly remember serving a role in PD are Orta, and the boy that rode the blue dragon, they did play a part on the stories but those are the only 2 important human characters in the game

the only way i see a possible character inclusion is if Sumo use Orta's changing ability to their advantage, and have Orta riding a chibi/smaller dragon

land - a short winged hovering dragon

water - a dragon that swims or skims across the waters surface with some special wings

air - grows larger wings to sustain flight.

it can be possible, but probably too much work involved for one racer alone so bottom line is.

panzer dragoon will be represented by just a track, not a racer, which in turn answers the original questions post

which in turn pretty much meant your argument was invalid from the beginning lol.

[dabbido]

Except for the fact that Gilius's vehicle isn't an actual creature. It was described in an interview as a sort of "statue on wheels" that turns into other stuff. So no, a dragon can't be done.

It could easily be done. Remember Opa Opa? he basically runs on his feet at the beggining (and its still just him while racing, he just hovers a bit), the same could be done with a Dragon, so yeah it could be done very well, it would glide just slightly above the water and fly on air sections. Dont think it will happen though.

S0L I know I am just bombarding you with questions, but this is quite intriguing...

We know All-Stars are coming back, but now we have air and water sections...so Super sonic works just fine on any of those, but what about some All-Stars like for example Ryos Forklift, it would look very weird functioning on water since...well it would just sink or even weirder on air, so could you tell us how you are gonna manage that? will the All-Star moves transform depending if its on water or the air? or are you just gonna find a way to make more All-Stars like Super Sonic or The parts shop that can function well be it on water or air? I know this might be something you cant confirm, but Im just curious.

Thanks for spending some of your time to chat with us and answer questions I truly appreciate it! and Im well aware everyone does here =)

Edited May 5, 2012 by dabbido

[PsychoJosh]

It could easily be done. Remember Opa Opa? he basically runs on his feet at the beggining (and its still just him while racing, he just hovers a bit), the same could be done with a Dragon, so yeah it could be done very well, it would glide just slightly above the water and fly on air sections.

I already pointed out why this is wrong. Opa Opa doesn't use his feet for anything except taking off. He's not on his feet while racing so he can't be defined as an example of feet "working very well" when all he does is take off with them.

Also, the dragon would "glide slightly above the water"? That's not boating, that's hovering above the water. The whole point of the water sections is to add a boating mechanic where you're affected by the waves. If you're hovering above the water you're not affected by the waves at all and can just speed through water sections with careless disregard, which (it goes without saying) would be cheap and unfair to the other racers.

Tail's default vehicle was an airplane, Ula La's was a space ship etc. what stopped them from flying off the course in the first in theory?

bottom line is, anything can be a land based vehicle as long as it isn't on legs which woul cancel out the drift feature.

Again, there was no flying mechanic before, it was just hovering. The addition of a flight mechanic has done away with the practicality and logic of hovering vehicles. Hovering airplanes and spacecraft on land in this game would be impossible to explain away. Learn how to read, thanks.

the only characters that i distinctly remember serving a role in PD are Orta, and the boy that rode the blue dragon, they did play a part on the stories but those are the only 2 important human characters in the game

Okay, that's fine then. All that's needed is one. Keil or Orta it is.

land - a short winged hovering dragon

water - a dragon that swims or skims across the waters surface with some special wings

air - grows larger wings to sustain flight.

it can be possible, but probably too much work involved for one racer alone so bottom line is.

"Too much work"? It sounds like exactly the same amount of work required for all the other racers. They have the characters to work with so all they need is a vehicle with a land, sea and air mode. What exactly is "too much work" here? Oh, right, it's just you spouting nonsense and talking about things that you don't know. You sure seem to love doing this

panzer dragoon will be represented by just a track, not a racer, which in turn answers the original questions post

which in turn pretty much meant your argument was invalid from the beginning lol.

Wow, I'm sorry, I didn't realize you were working on the game and thus know everything there is to know about the final roster. Oh wait, you aren't, so you need to shut up and quit mouthing off in ignorance, because again it's too early to tell whether or not there will be a PD character and you certainly don't know this as a fact. It's a definite possibility, if PD can be represented by a character as well then I see no reason why it shouldn't. All I've ever been saying is that there's no reason to discount the possibility of there being a PD character.

Edited May 5, 2012 by PsychoJosh

[Lady Soniko]

Learn how to read, thanks.

wow rude.

Okay, that's fine then. All that's needed is one. Keil or Orta it is.

having the boy or Orta ride on the track on anything less than their respective dragons would be stupid, considering Blue and the morphing Dragon are flying around the track Anyway.

"Too much work"? It sounds like exactly the same amount of work required for all the other racers. They have the characters to work with so all they need is a vehicle with a land, sea and air mode. What exactly is "too much work" here? Oh, right, it's just you spouting nonsense and talking about things that you don't know. You sure seem to love doing this

yes it is too much work, having a living creature morph into land, sea and air with distinctive forms would be a lot of work, given the the animation of the dragon's model and so on, having to animate the rider and dragon would take up a lot of time, oh and quit it with the smart ass attitude, it just makes you seem more of douche than you already are :/

Wow, I'm sorry, I didn't realize you were working on the game and thus know everything there is to know about the final roster. Oh wait, you aren't, so you need to shut up and quit mouthing off in ignorance

grow up.

because again it's too early to tell whether or not there will be a PD character and you certainly don't know this as a fact.

did i say it was a fact? its simply specculation on information i've already seen, with the series having nothing to offer vehile wise you tend to put 2 and 2 together.

It's a definite possibility, if PD can be represented by a character as well then I see no reason why it shouldn't. All I've ever been saying is that there's no reason to discount the possibility of there being a PD character.

exactly, that's your opinion and i've gave you mine and explained it, no need to get up and be a jerk to me and others about it

quit getting mad son.

[PsychoJosh]

having the boy or Orta ride on the track on anything less than their respective dragons would be stupid, considering Blue and the morphing Dragon are flying around the track Anyway.

How would it be stupid? Considering the size of the dragons, the fact that everyone else is using a mechanized racer of some kind and the fact that the dragons actually cause destruction in the stage (one of them smashes into a bridge and forces you to continue the race in the air), I don't think it'd be stupid at all. It's quite logical actually.

yes it is too much work, having a living creature morph into land, sea and air with distinctive forms would be a lot of work, given the the animation of the dragon's model and so on, having to animate the rider and dragon would take up a lot of time, oh and quit it with the smart ass attitude, it just makes you seem more of douche than you already are :/

Again, it's no more work than what is required of any of the other racers. All the other racers need to have land/sea/air vehicles with distinctive forms and animations. And even if animating the dragon would take up a lot of time this is just another argument for it being a mechanized vehicle resembling a dragon. You keep defeating your own arguments, it's actually pretty sad to see how backwards your logic is. Resorting to silly name-calling are we? And I'M the one who needs to grow up? lol

did i say it was a fact? its simply specculation on information i've already seen, with the series having nothing to offer vehile wise you tend to put 2 and 2 together.

Let me just quote you here:

Panzer Dragoon won't be making the character roster.

That seems like a pretty declarative statement, I wouldn't say anything in such a way unless I was confident it was an undeniable fact, you seem to think it is, so yes you are stating it as a fact. You even took the time to bold it because you're that DAMN sure that it's a fact. Don't you even read what you type?

quit getting mad son.

I don't think more ironic words have ever been uttered by any other person

[Lady Soniko]

we'll just have to see, i'm tired of this pointless banter between a person who doesn't even have an avatar

lets just say i'm pretty confident PD won't be making it to the character roster, and it will just be represented with a track

having a mechanical dragon is...stupid, the series was about real Dragons with armour.

and it wasn't name calling, i was stating that you where acting like a douche with your attitude towards the users and myself here, which you were.

[dabbido]

True true, but it still could be done, the only real problem is the water section, as he could be gliding for the track portions, just like how Ulala just floats as well, this isnt about realism anyways, they could make it work, just my opinion, but still I think we wont be seeing any other representation besides the track, and its a wonderful track at that. Im just happy we are getting it.

[PsychoJosh]

True true, but it still could be done, the only real problem is the water section, as he could be gliding for the track portions, just like how Ulala just floats as well,

We don't know if Ulala floats anymore. Every returning character got changed for this game so I highly doubt that she uses a hovering vehicle anymore, I'll be surprised if she does.

and it wasn't name calling, i was stating that you where acting like a douche with your attitude towards the users and myself here, which you were.

That's what's name calling is, dummy. That's the textbook definition of an ad hominem. The fact that you had to resort to it first proves that you are the douche because you can't even keep an argument civil. Did you even pass elementary school?

"Douche" isn't even a clearly defined term, it's just whatever you want it to be at a point where you're angry.

Edited May 5, 2012 by PsychoJosh

[dabbido]

That's what's name calling is, dummy. That's the textbook definition of an adhominem. The fact that you had to resort to it first proves that you are the douche because you can't even keep an argument civil. Did you even pass elementary school?

Gee why are you taking this so seriously? its just opinions no need to insult her o_o

[Ming Ming Hatsune]

...is it me or this thread is getting heated by the second?

Where is S0L when you need him...

Edited May 5, 2012 by Ming Ming Love

[Jeffhog]

Alright, both of you, calm the hell down, that's enough. The two of you know better than to resort to bickering and picking on one another.

[dabbido]

...is it me or this thread is getting heated by the second?

Where is S0L when you need him...

Nope, youre not the only one

Changing topic.... Do you guys thing the 3DS will be getting exclusive content? well just because it is the less "powerful" version? Like Incorporating street pass use for 3DS or something, maybe a track or something. Although going by how the last one did, Im pretty sure they will make their best effort to make the 3DS version as close as possible on graphics and controls

[PsychoJosh]

3DS version is being built separately. It might have huge discrepancies.