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Guess every single character based on an existing character in existence is automatically shit then according to this logic.

It's pretty fuckin' high odds, dude. If you have to rip off other people's ideas, you probably don't have anything worth saying.

Uh...Isn't there a difference between flat out ripping off something and basing ideas off a previous idea?

It's not so much a rip off of Sonic being capable of super speed like dozens of characters before him, but it is quite a rip off for one character to take on the exact appearance of another character but with nothing more than a change of color scheme?

Do I even want to jump into this?

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It's pretty fuckin' high odds, dude. If you have to rip off other people's ideas, you probably don't have anything worth saying.

No, it really, really does matter if it's ridiculous. A validly logical answer is not enough to save an idea that is ridiculous in the larger context.

I had considered clarifying my statement, but I had figured you were smart enough to figure it out on your own. So let me be more clear: I don't mean "positive traits" in the sense of being a nice person, I mean "positive traits" in the sense of being an interesting character.

And it's usually a good thing for a villain to have some sympathetic qualities anyway. If there's literally nothing to humanize them, they basically stop being characters and become bland walls of generic evil.

Yes. And I am not particularly a fan of Shadow. And making a recolor, of a recolor, is doubly bad. Note also that Shadow has occasionally had positive qualities, while Mephy has not.

His design is terrible, his plan is terrible, he doesn't do anything interesting in the entire game, he has no character beyond "generic villain", they try to play him as manipulative in spite of the fact that, again, his plan is terrible and he basically does nothing, he only succeeds because the story is contrived in his favor, he kills Sonic in the most boring and anticlimactic way possible...

Now give me even one reason why I shouldn't hate him.

Great, so concede the point and stop defending this shit.

If there's anything to it beyond "some people like mephiles for reasons therefore shut up because opinions!" then you did a piss poor job of arguing it.

It's pretty damn hard to build up the proper context for the main character's death in just the span of one game in a long-running series like this. It is something that needs to be treated with the utmost respect, otherwise it feels unfair; it just isn't compelling or moving to have a guy who's fought through so much get offed by some punk who only just showed up. Just getting beaten up is a different matter, though, and I don't think anyone would have a problem with that any more than they did with, say, Merlina in SatBK.

Because he's boring, because his character design is ridiculous, because he's basically nothing but a shallow cliche...and if you're going to say they'd fix all that, don't bother, because we'd no longer be talking about Mephiles anymore.

...Hence why I mentioned the good ones being overshadowed. I said there were good ones, but no one pays attention to them because the bad ones are getting all the fame and glory. And Mephiles' lookalike form being important to the story doesn't count for anything since it's already a shit story to begin with, and they could have very easily made a better plot point that didn't involve him looking like Fridge Shadow.

And Mephiles being based on Shadow - who already served as an Anti-Sonic back in SA2 - is like a character russian doll effect, like if someone made an evil clone of Shadow Mario, it's just redundant.

There's desperation, and then there's complete and utter idiocy. There's choosing to look past first judgements, and then there's just being blind. There's "I'm willing to look past your initial appearance and trust you" and then there's "I'm going to completely ignore your mysterious and slightly sinister nature and do absolutely anything you ask". And so on and so forth, you get the idea.

And even if you did excuse that, surely the likes of Mephiles' Iblis-like eyes would have clued him in that he wasn't trustworthy. There's a limit you can go before you transcend normal stupidity and go into full-on incomprehensible territory.

I meant in general. There are many others out there who view Mephiles as a diamond in the 06 rough, which of course grinds my gears a bit since he happens to be my least favourite Sonic character of all. It's not being petty, because if I was being that, I'd be getting on their cases on it endlessly, when in reality I'm merely expressing my disagreement with it.

I'm not actually getting upset over their opinions, that's just silly. I'm not the kind of person who goes to fanclubs of characters I dislike only to poke them repeatedly with a pencil. And I didn't say that the world is about me and that everyone should think like me, I never have and I never would. I'm merely expressing something that's a pet peeve of mine, which - as you know - is the whole point of this very thread. It is something that I get a little tired of, but that doesn't mean I have some sort of legitimate ill will for the actual people who like him, just like how I'm perfectly okay with those who don't like Robotnik as much as I do.

No, no, no. That's not what I said. I didn't say Sonic was absolutely unbustable and that no one could touch him, he can get hurt like anyone else. What I said was that someone who is the main character of a franchise should not be treated like a typical redshirt, let alone outright killed in such a disrespectful way to him as a character and as a series. Merlina beating up Sonic when he refuses to back down is fine. Bowser using the Star Rod on Mario or Grodus striking lightning down repeatedly at Mario when he doesn't want to harm Peach is fine. Mephiles killing Sonic with something as simple and mundane as a quick laser is not, and it undermines both Sonic and all his heroics as well as all the other villains he's faced, Robotnik or otherwise.

While I did use Metal Sonic as an example, that was only because he's the second biggest villain after Robotnik. I didn't say he was any better, since I do believe the fanbase overrates him (and I always liked Mecha Sonic MKII's design more anyway). I was mainly thinking of the OVA version of him.

EDIT: Balls, you win this round, Dio.

Ok, I think I should clarify before I lose my point; I like the CONCEPT of Mephiles, specifically the concept of him being such an all powerful villain that the heroes need to think outside the box in beating him. Mephiles himself is a terribly written and poorly thought out character, BUT I do like his concept and wouldn't mind it being applied to another character entirely. I'm not defending Mephiles himself, I'm defending his concept. comprende?

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wat the fak

where do i get these nonfacts

EDIT: My pet peeve is that I remember things that don't exist.

Well, Espio was mentioned to be in the game once in a preview. Pretend they said Metal Sonic instead and you're all set.

Edit: And don't try to call me out for remembering non-existent factoids, I have sources for this shit.

Edited by VEDJ-F

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So Mephilies killed Sonic. Big whoop. Can he do that to Super Sonic?

Your thoughts Eggman? Eggman: "Nope.avi"

So aside from the Sonic 06 conversations, a pet-peeve of mine is about Chronicles. It's a question of whether people praised the Sonic characters in the game for being well written, or just because Bioware worked on them. I'm not saying that Bioware can't make some good characters considering how they've done Mass Effect, but considering the continuity errors in Chronicles, I'm wondering if people were only saying good things about it at the time was because of Bioware name being involved on the game.

Well considering the massive backlash of the release of SWTOR, which was touted as a WoW Killer (Which is a really stupid thought process when you think about it) that occurred after people burned through the story and realized the game had no longevity beyond the stuff they already saw in other MMOs, it honestly wouldn't surprise me if people just assumed it would be amazing based on brand name alone, and then suffered a rude awakening afterwards.

Edited by Malpercio

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I have a pet peeve.

When people say that the plates on Knuckles shoes look like Lego.

Ok, so they do, but they're meant to be bolts! Metal Plated shoes with bolts because he's hardcore!

It's just so many people say it, it annoys me.

Why do people say the sky is blue?

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I have a pet peeve.

When people say that the plates on Knuckles shoes look like Lego.

Ok, so they do, but they're meant to be bolts! Metal Plated shoes with bolts because he's hardcore!

It's just so many people say it, it annoys me.

Well...

Where did he get the means to make those shoes?

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I'd like to have lego brick shoes.
lego-stilettos.jpg

Is this good for you?

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As to not derail the topic, I'll mention something: when people say Knuckles needs to be straight up evil, not a hero or even an anti-hero. Yes, some actually think that.

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Whenever people say that Sonic is dying and that instead of being given a chance to recover, SEGA should just off him altogether. The critics say either that or they say that SEGA must nuke all of Sonic's "useless critter friends" and rename Eggman "Robotnik".

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Whenever people say that Sonic is dying and that instead of being given a chance to recover, SEGA should just off him altogether. The critics say either that or they say that SEGA must nuke all of Sonic's "useless critter friends" and rename Eggman "Robotnik".
That's why I hate game critics. They are not gamers, they are journalists whose opinion doesn't matter.

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And there you have yet another one from oneself - the fact that reviewers seem to be literally incapable of writing/saying anything about Sonic without starting off with "Sonic hasn't had bright days lately..." and all it's other miserable equivalents. Yes, we get it. There's been rough times. Stop rubbing it in our faces every chance you get.

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I also hate that a lot of critics always compare Sonic to Mario.

For fuck's sake judge the game for what it is, not for your own fanboyism!

Speaking of Mario, I have a pet peeve about this forum (and Sonic forums in general).

Although people claim that the rivalry between Mario and Sonic are dead, and that it's okay to like both now, you can still sense a lot of hostility toward Mario games. Now, I'm not saying you're not allowed to not like Mario on your own merit, but take a look at the Transformed Reviews thread. Count the posts that say "Nintendo's feeling threatened by Transformed lol! It's a Mario Kart killer!". Not to mention the joke in an issue of ONM that everyone had a fucking cow about.

I like Nintendo more than Sega, by a long shot. I probably like damn near every Nintendo franchise more than Sonic, except probably Star Fox, Animal Crossing, Donkey Kong, and a few others. But I DO like a lot of Sega's franchises and you'll NEVER hear me bad-mouthing them whenever a Nintendo game outsells a similar one or does something that a Sega game tried but better.

-sigh- There will never be peace between Mario and Sonic. There just CAN'T be. There will always be those few people, the few "racists" who shout at black kids from their porches and refuse to let latinos touch anything they own. Except it's less racist and more them being assholes.

Whatever.

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I honestly can't stand people who take console wars seriously (whether its the one from the 90s or the present day). I'm fairly certain SEGA and Nintendo didn't actually hate each other, it was all just in good fun and competition. The fact some of their fans still take it 100% completely seriously, especially now that Sonic and Mario aren't really rivals anymore, is just really strange to me. Maybe it's just because I was too young and not really paying attention to the gaming industry back then..?

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I honestly can't stand people who take console wars seriously (whether its the one from the 90s or the present day). I'm fairly certain SEGA and Nintendo didn't actually hate each other, it was all just in good fun and competition. The fact some of their fans still take it 100% completely seriously, especially now that Sonic and Mario aren't really rivals anymore, is just really strange to me. Maybe it's just because I was too young and not really paying attention to the gaming industry back then..?

It really is baffling to someone like me. Why limit yourself from a whole wealth of video-games just because it wasn't part of a specific brand or from a specific console? I mean yeah, brand loyalty is needed to ensure long-term customers and all, but still...

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People couldn't afford all the consoles back then, so you tended to have to pick one or the other. Sonic being marketed as the "anti-Mario" also contributed. Besides, many people were kids back then, so it really was serious to them. They didn't know the wealth of games, and it's a mindset that stays with you.

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