Sonic & Megaman: When Worlds Collide [Archie]

[MykonosFan]

I think the main thing wrong with Shadow is how tall he looks, which is due to how long his legs are (plus his shoes are quite big). Compare that with the image of Sonic and Mega Man we got where Sonic is clearly smaller than Mega Man and it just gets mentally odd.

[Blue Wisp]

Proto freaking Man and Knuckles. This just can't get any better. I do agree that the artwork look rather fan-arty but who cares, freaking Proto Man and Knuckles teaming up.

I'm excited for this.

[Sami]

I haven't really been following the announcement, so excuse me being completely uninformed, but uh...

Do we know if this is a super cool Megaman/Sonic crossover or a Megaman/ShittyArchieShit dealio? Eggman and Wily teaming up would be awesome, but I really couldn't be driven to care if it's the Archie variant of each character.

[Soniman]

For the last time, YES it's Archie, sorry for ruining the magic for you.

Nevermind the fact that they're using the game characters anyway.

[Sami]

For the last time, YES it's Archie, sorry for ruining the magic for you.

Nevermind the fact that they're using the game characters anyway.

They aren't the game characters if they act completely differently from how they do in the games.

Eh. I guess I might take a look at the comic eventually to see if Archie didn't fuck everything up, but any enthusiasm I had is now gone. Hm.

[Echidna Adventurer CC14]

Though, Ian Flynn's take on the Archie characters are a lot more in line with their game counterparts than past writers'. Especially Eggman.

Edited July 11, 2012 by chaoscontrol14

[Soniman]

Act differently in what context? All the game characters in the comic act similar enough to what you would get in the games (sometimes better, considering almost zero usage in the games and almost one note personalities as of late), Just because they differ in setting and mythos doesn't make them automatically disimilar at all.

[Wentos]

Guess what? A Sonic & Megaman crossover comic does already exist.

http://twoevilscientists.smackjeeves.com/comics/52318/villains-victorious-pt-1/

I've been reading this for a while, and it's really good. Hopefully it'll hold you over until Archie's comic.

[Lady Soniko]

never cared much for Megaman, was brought up liking Metroid over his games... but this may be a good time to finally get into his Verse.

i am looking forward to this though!

[Sami]

Act differently in what context? All the game characters in the comic act similar enough to what you would get in the games (sometimes better, considering almost zero usage in the games and almost one note personalities as of late), Just because they differ in setting and mythos doesn't make them automatically disimilar at all.

Last I checked Archie, Sonic was an obnoxious prat, Tails didn't do much at all because Rotor stole his job, and Robotnik was some generic evil angry dude.

Needless to say it was shit and I never looked at it again. What, are things actually different now?

[Soniman]

Considering Tails clearly builds things regularly, Rotor hasnt done anything mechanics-wise in years (or rather, nothing ever overshadowing Tails' position), and Eggman being anything but Generic McEvil, yeah id say so.

Edited July 11, 2012 by The Noodle

[Echidna Adventurer CC14]

Yup. Eggman in particular got a HUGE overhaul once current writer Ian Flynn took over. Now he's pretty much exactly like his game counterpart only a bit more sadistic/insane. He also now has an occasional habit of humming "E.G.G.M.A.N." to himself as he threatens people. He's so awesome.

[Linkabel]

I for one think that the 12-issues makes sense in that sometimes crossovers suck because they are so short and the writers have to shove everything into one or two issues. So this gives me hope that they are going to do a good job with the story.

And the decision to do it in 4 months seems reasonable in that in this way the quality of the main series won't go down because of the crossover (at least that's what I think). I'm excited for this

[Kuzu]

Sonic was an obnoxious prat,

You mean he isn't in the games? Granted he's a lot more nuanced in the games, and actually does show a genuinely compassionate, non-snarky, and messiah like attitude, but Sonic has always been an obnoxiously cocky character, it honestly wouldn't be Sonic without it.

About the only difference I can find between the two is that Sonic doesn't have an extreme fixation on naked chipmunks in the games.

and now I await the fanboys to tell me how "wrong" I am.

Proto freaking Man and Knuckles. This just can't get any better. I do agree that the artwork look rather fan-arty but who cares, freaking Proto Man and Knuckles teaming up.

I'm excited for this.

Knuckles being the Proto-Man of the series caught me off guard, until I realized how much sense it made.

[Dr. Mechano]

Last I checked Archie, Sonic was an obnoxious prat, Tails didn't do much at all because Rotor stole his job, and Robotnik was some generic evil angry dude.

Needless to say it was shit and I never looked at it again. What, are things actually different now?

It's changed.

Sonic got toned down a bit (He even shows compassion and mercy for Eggman after he has a nervous breakdown), and while he's still a lot more exaggerated than his game self, he's nowhere near as obnoxious as he used to be in older, SoA media.

Eggman in particular has changed for the better, shifting from the "generic evil angry dude" of SatAM to a goofy, lovable - but no less dangerous - evil maniac, much like his game counterpart.

He even sings!

I agree with your grievances with Archie's past, but the comics have improved dramatically, and have become much more similar to the games in terms of characterization in recent years.

In light of this, my confidence in this crossover is pretty high!

[CrownSlayers Shadow]

Last I checked Archie, Sonic was an obnoxious prat,

Edited July 11, 2012 by ChaosSupremeSonic

[The-Master-Board]

Ironic in that you're claiming this crossover to suck and fail, yet the people it's marketed towards are looking forward to it. I think I know what "irony" is, so let's drop the assholish attitude.

I never said it would fail. I said it was stupid. I'm sure there are a lot of stupid people out there that will lap this crap right up so I have no doubt it'll sell well.

Cigarettes sell well, doesn't mean they're a good thing.

Also I'd gladly drop the asshole act when you do. Hypocrite.

Heck, you could apply that to the Sonic Universe crossover in that they put a degree of focus off the game cast while connecting it to the main comic and one would have to buy those just to keep up with everything when they don't want to buy the Universe. What advice would you give them for that scenario?

Um what?

I'm complaining that Archie feel the need to involve Megaman into the main series of the comic thusly forcing regular Sonic readers and collectors to buy an otherwise useless comic series just to keep up with the story or keep their collection complete.....and you manage to focus on the Sonic Universe side of things...? Well done.

I already stated fans had voiced their annoyance at SU arcs pretty much becoming required reading material to keep up with the main story even though Archie had slated SU as a series that was on the side and did nothing besides adding more story and depth to the series but not needed to understand what was going on in the main series.

Way to deflect the argument.

No it isn't alright to make people buy SU, but (and this is the main point here) at least it's a Sonic comic. I will gladly buy it because I know what I am getting and know it will be good, even though it's sneaky of Archie to do.

Simply because it's not a problem at all right now, and you're only making it out to be one out of sheer spite between the idea. Archie wanted to release this as a non-separate thing. I'm not going to judge them as being stupid just because they're making a crossover in the main series. And as far as I know, it's a bridge between two series to finally meet after 20 years.

So you think that Archie forcing Sonic comic readers to go out and buy Megaman is ok to just let that slide?

Archie could and should have easily made this a side thing, therefore not upsetting the main series and not making fans who couldn't care less about some other series have to buy them, but of course they went the greedy route so they can score more money off of making fans from either series have to buy extra comics.

Crossovers are never in the main series simple as that.

I'll reserve judgement on how bad it is when I actually read them. But right now, complaining about it before it's even out just reeks of being spiteful.

And you supporting their blatant money grabbing just reeks of you being a fan of the idea unable to see this objectively.

I'm pretty damn sure those Marvel fans would find it equally as awesome of Capcom characters were to make an appearance in Ultimate Alliance or Marvel Heroes especially considering the history the two groups have together.

You obviously don't know Marvel fans.

Prior to Marvel Vs Capcom 3 coming out whilst visiting forums I saw much talk of "who cares about such and such Capcom character, just give me more Marvel" you're pretty deluded if you think otherwise.

A crossover game such as the MvC series is made for such shenanigans as crossovers, a proper Marvel game is Marvel characters exclusive. The same should be said for the comic series. Main series is for Sonic only, if they decide to make a spin off it should reside in non-canon world in a seperate series.

Says who? Who decides what should and shouldn't be put into the main storyline? Who says a crossover shouldn't be allowed as part of the story? Who dictates that a crossover in a main story cannot work? Because the highest authorities themselves, Sega and Capcom are said to be in on the crossover as well.

See above^

Exactly what the hell is anyone suppose to think with the words "All Star RACING?" Anything other than?

Lets see; The Sonic Rush tie in not related to Sonic Rush at all, the Sonic Riders tie in not related to Sonic Riders at all, Sonic Adventure tie in not really much like Sonic adventure at all and the SA2 tie in....well I assume you get the idea by now?

Tie ins have never really been much like their games at all in the past. So it has the word "Racing" in the title, what's you point?

You're really arguing that a title has to dictate everything that happens in the comic?

You do know that a writer could write up an interesting story for almost anything if they're good enough. Just because you think racing is boring doesn't mean it is.

Pretty sure that things such as preventing the Rogues from destroying Knothole was less than racing and more of your typical stop the villain from winning his scheme towards world domination considering that the Rogues where hired by Eggman to fight Sonic and destroy his home. They were established as mercenaries than they were racers.

Aaaand missing the point again; I meant the Riders Games.

The Riders games never have much story besides Sonic and Jet racing and the dialogue that goes on while they're racing or preparing for races, up until the last Monster of the week thingy at the end.

I'm pointing at these seeing as you're stating you can't make an interesting story from just racing.

Hey, here's an idea. Take what you just said, and apply that logic to this crossover. For someone who's calling others close minded, you reek of it yourself to the point of hypocrisy.

Or I could remember that I'm a fan of Sonic and I buy a Sonic comic to read about Sonic and the various stories that go on in his world, and that I don't care for Megaman and care even less for the fact I have to buy another series I don't want now just so I can keep up with the series I do want to follow.

Call me closed minded but I say that's being realistic. And way to deflect again.

Well as far as the reality goes, a SaSR comic would be just as unneeded as a Megaman crossover and Archie decided to go with the latter instead. Sega seems to be far more supportive of the crossover with Capcom than a potential All Star Racing comic.

Exactly. Uneeded.

Never said I wanted a SaSR comic, but I'd rather have it out there advertising the game and making money for SEGA, with characters I somewhat have a interest in and that makes sense making a crossover for, than have some uneeded Megaman comic.

So basically, having Megaman involved ruins the big #250 issue? Logic? And what exactly were you saying about being closed minded dude?

Well considering that the stupid crossover is going to take up issues that lead into the big #250, and that a lead up to it is required, yes it does ruin it.

Once this stupid thing is over we'll have less time to build up to the milestone issue, or if the crossover is the thing that leads up to the milestone than that is even worse.

A Sonic comic deserves a Sonic related event to bring it up to #250, not some lame crossover.

And there's the irony again, in that while you see it as set up for failure many others see it as a successful bridge between two very popular franchises.

Who needs a bridge?

And here's the irony, those people will probably end up getting us a worse game than the Mario and Sonic games.

I play Sonic to play Sonic, if I wanna play Call of Duty I'll play call of duty. Do I want the two mixed? No.

Games that work should work so by themselves, crossovers are fine for non-canon mess arounds, but in real games no.

Edited July 12, 2012 by The-Master-Board

[Abominal SnowTaz]

I never said it would fail. I said it was stupid. I'm sure there are a lot of stupid people out there that will lap this crap right up so I have no doubt it'll sell well.

Cigarettes sell well, doesn't mean they're a good thing.

Also I'd gladly drop the asshole act when you do. Hypocrite.

Dude, you are being an asshole.

All because people like this comic doesn't mean they're going to be shit heads because "oh it's megaman and Sonic" It's not a stupid idea that Archie pulled out of their asses at the last minute and fans aren't mindless morons that they can command at their will.

Calm the fuck down, and keep your rants to a minimum.

[CrownSlayers Shadow]

I never said it would fail. I said it was stupid. I'm sure there are a lot of stupid people out there that will lap this crap right up so I have no doubt it'll sell well. Cigarettes sell well, doesn't mean they're a good thing.

And it's this kind of insulting behavior that it is uncalled for. So if I like something you don't, I'm stupid for enjoying something I love more?

Also I'd gladly drop the asshole act when you do. Hypocrite.

I'm not exactly the one blowing fire here in this debate.

Um what?

I'm complaining that Archie feel the need to involve Megaman into the main series of the comic thusly forcing regular Sonic readers and collectors to buy an otherwise useless comic series just to keep up with the story or keep their collection complete.....and you manage to focus on the Sonic Universe side of things...? Well done.

Yeah, because just like there are people like who who don't care about Megaman comic (hell I sure didn't until now), there are people who don't care about the Sonic Universe outside of the main comic and they'd still have to buy it to keep up with certain parts of the plot. And aside from you and Vampfox who keeps liking your post, I'm not seeing a lot of other Sonic fans who have a problem with buying the Megaman comic to keep up with the story, although I'm very sure they're out there regardless.

I already stated fans had voiced their annoyance at SU arcs pretty much becoming required reading material to keep up with the main story even though Archie had slated SU as a series that was on the side and did nothing besides adding more story and depth to the series but not needed to understand what was going on in the main series.

Way to deflect the argument.

Kinda falls flat in arcs like the Iron Dominion when Sonic,Tails, Sally, and Kahn left for the Dragon Kingdom and we only saw their actions in the Universe whereas if one were to only read the main comics, there would be quite a gap explaining what they were doing while they were gone.

No it isn't alright to make people buy SU, but (and this is the main point here) at least it's a Sonic comic. I will gladly buy it because I know what I am getting and know it will be good, even though it's sneaky of Archie to do.

And yet, because it's Megaman it changes the variables? It's a Megaman X Sonic crossover, AKA it's still a part of the Sonic comic as much as it will be a Megaman one, so basically you're being upset simply because they're doing something outside of what you want them to do despite a lot of Sonic and Megaman fans applausing the idea.

So you think that Archie forcing Sonic comic readers to go out and buy Megaman is ok to just let that slide?

Just like it is for Archie to force main readers of the Sonic comic to go out and buy the side stories. Otherwise, if they have a problem with it, they can just hold on to their money and wait until it blows over.

And you supporting their blatant money grabbing just reeks of you being a fan of the idea unable to see this objectively.

Or maybe I just happen to like the idea more than you hate it and want to see how they're gonna pull this off?

You obviously don't know Marvel fans.

Prior to Marvel Vs Capcom 3 coming out whilst visiting forums I saw much talk of "who cares about such and such Capcom character, just give me more Marvel" you're pretty deluded if you think otherwise.

You obviously don't seem to know fans in general because fans are not that damn one-sided, as if the Sonic fandom itself isn't already enough of an example.

There were plenty of Marvel fans on other forums who are also fans of Capcom to be interested in either side, and one could easily say the same towards the Capcom fans not giving a damn about the Marvel characters. And that goes without saying that not every fan is fully the same on their interest. If you know that, you wouldn't make a one-sided assertion that Marvel fans don't give a damn about the Capcom characters, when for all you or I could know they may very well care.

A crossover game such as the MvC series is made for such shenanigans as crossovers, a proper Marvel game is Marvel characters exclusive. The same should be said for the comic series. Main series is for Sonic only, if they decide to make a spin off it should reside in non-canon world in a seperate series.

It should be said by the people who own the franchise over what should be done, whether it's a spin-off crossover or a mainstream one. If they decide to make it main for a temporary moment, then that's what they decided. Whether or not it's good depends on how they go about it, not simply because it changes things that you didn't expect.

Lets see; The Sonic Rush tie in not related to Sonic Rush at all, the Sonic Riders tie in not related to Sonic Riders at all, Sonic Adventure tie in not really much like Sonic adventure at all and the SA2 tie in....well I assume you get the idea by now?

Tie ins have never really been much like their games at all in the past. So it has the word "Racing" in the title, what's you point?

You're really arguing that a title has to dictate everything that happens in the comic?

Considering the fact that the Sonic Rush tie in has similarites to the plot despite not being related (such as Blaze and Sonic fighting each other after Blaze came from her dimension), or how the Riders tie in did something similar in that they were all on airboards, or that Sonic Adventure tie in had it's own similarities to the Adventure plot, I would expect something like All Stars Racing with nothing more than character's racing each other akin to Mario Kart to be nothing more than racing. If they don't, then it's a surprise to me.

You do know that a writer could write up an interesting story for almost anything if they're good enough. Just because you think racing is boring doesn't mean it is.

You know they could do that same thing for this very comic?

Aaaand missing the point again; I meant the Riders Games.

They had a Rider's tie in the comic. How was I suppose to know other than reading your mind which one you meant when you weren't too clear about it?

The Riders games never have much story besides Sonic and Jet racing and the dialogue that goes on while they're racing or preparing for races, up until the last Monster of the week thingy at the end.

I'm pointing at these seeing as you're stating you can't make an interesting story from just racing.

Actually they did have a story. Zero Gravity had the Rogues exploring their ancestry even further than the first Riders did about the babylon gardens and the myth behind the gravity ring that was causing robots to go after them throughout the game.

Call me closed minded but I say that's being realistic. And way to deflect again.

Apparently not considering that the reality is them making a Sonic/Megaman crossover and not one based on ASR.

Exactly. Uneeded.

Never said I wanted a SaSR comic, but I'd rather have it out there advertising the game and making money for SEGA, with characters I somewhat have a interest in and that makes sense making a crossover for, than have some uneeded Megaman comic.

And the same could apply for Megaman having a comic to advertise it's series and make money for Capcom with characters people in general have an interest in, so how in the hell is that any different beyond the fact that you don't give a damn about the Megaman comic?

A Sonic comic deserves a Sonic related event to bring it up to #250, not some lame crossover.

Says who exactly? The people who make it?

Who needs a bridge?

And here's the irony, those people will probably end up getting us a worse game than the Mario and Sonic games.

Who needs a bridge? How about the people who want a bridge?

And you know that how? Based off of what information? What facts? What details that if these two were to come together and have an even worse Sonic game, and how do you know? You're getting all of this based off of a 12 issue comic series? That makes no sense dude.

I play Sonic to play Sonic, if I wanna play Call of Duty I'll play call of duty. Do I want the two mixed? No.

Well I play Sonic to play Sonic, and Megaman to play Megaman, but I would LOVE to see the two mixed in one game just as much as I would love to see Mario and Sonic in a crossover that isn't the Olympics.

Games that work should work so by themselves, crossovers are fine for non-canon mess arounds, but in real games no.

Tell it to Sega, Capcom, and Archie then. But I'm pretty sure they disagree.

Edited July 12, 2012 by ChaosSupremeSonic

[Phos]

I actually thought the Bass and Shadow picture was fan art as well before I fully scrolled down and saw the Archie logo. I mean, it doesn't look bad at all, but yeah, something about it seems a tad off. I dunno.

The strange way they drew Shadow's white tuft, the way these characters don't really go together very well (Bass's story reminds me a lot more of Metal Sonic's), that strangely shaped foot of Bass's (really, you didn't fix that?), And it really doesn't help that Archie's artists don't quite nail the Sonic Channel style. Plus, Shadow's mouth kinda looks traced off the ShtH boss.

Also, what's with the gem on Bass's chest? It's never looked like that in the games AFAIK, and this is his first appearance in the comic, so why would they make him look like that for his debut?

[LATER BUDDY]

I'm too tired for something witty, can we take it down a notch before it gets out of hand here? And the insults are totally uncalled for The-Master-Board. Also, you didn't have to flat out call him out on the attitude in that fashion either CSS, it kinda sparked the fire a bit to be honest. Reports and shizz if you've got a personal problem from the get go, etc.

Let's all just check our assholes at the door so this topic can keep smelling fresh. Thanks everyone!

Nah, I got nothing for wit tonight

[Wonks]

This is really awesome. I honestly feel as if they (Archie) will treat this cross-over with the fan fiction-esque approach it deserves. I mean--not only pairing Sonic vs Mega Man (obviously at some point this will happen, and then they'll be friends), but already alluding to Knuckles vs Proto Man, and Shadow vs Bass--everything just fits so well.

Edited July 13, 2012 by Wonks

[Your Vest Friend]

Not sure if this is new or not.

Charmy needs a magnifying glass to see him. :/

Edited July 15, 2012 by VEDJ-F

[Dr. Mechano]

This is looking so cool. I can't wait to see this next year! Loving the prominence of Eggman and Wily so far.

[Badnik Mechanic]

Sonic, Megaman, Sonic Universe...

Oh great. So now we have to buy 3 seperate comics to enjoy this? Four if they're gonna do a marvel/DC and have the main line story event too?