The Sonic Mindblow and Conspiracy Thread

[Mr. Awesomest]

The topic is about awe-inspiring mindblowing, not rage-induced mindblowing.

Like how the islands from SRA are very similar to levels from Sonic 3 & Knuckles, implying that the Sol Dimension's Angel Island broke apart and the pieces created islands.

[TheOcelot]

What about that 'Angel' statue in the Past version of Wacky Workbench Zone 1 (Sonic CD).

If you touch it, Sonic gets about 60 rings. Now thats what you cool an Angel. I don't know if there was an offiical name for that statue.

So that statue appears in CD, and then Sonic and Tails start off in Angel Island Zone in Sonic 3. Was the statue trying to tell us something?

Edited July 20, 2012 by MilesKnightwing

[The Conductor]

I think a few people are missing the point of this thread! It's not a "make up random shit" thread, it's a "show something from the series that will shock us" thread. Or at least, that's the perception I got from the opening post.

[Vertekins]

Emerald Town wasn't a one-game thing;

The characters really do live there.

[Blue Blood]

I still maintain you're straw clutching with that one, as with most things in this thread.

[Nicknyte]

I remember that I could be a blue Knux in Sonic 3 and Knuckles, but I am not sure that is mindblowing.

[Indigo Rush]

I think a few people are missing the point of this thread! It's not a "make up random shit" thread, it's a "show something from the series that will shock us" thread. Or at least, that's the perception I got from the opening post.

Absolutely. I was kind of hesitant to say anything because everyone seemed to be having fun, but seriously, some of the stuff being said in here's just silly.

On that note, here's a little something.

I'm sure most of you are aware of the official history behind Chaos, as described in the Sonic Channel bios - Chaos was a regular good-natured Chao that came into contact with the Master Emerald and transformed into the immortal liquid beast that he is now.

Now, here's some interesting connections between Chaos and the Chao which he protects:

Both have an affinity with water. Chaos is a gelatinous creature who's mostly made of water, of course. But the Chao species are said to be "water spirits," creatures that thrive on fresh water for survival. Sure, any living thing needs water, but Chao seem to need it constantly. They can't dwell anywhere except for a Chao Garden that provides fresh water. Also, add to the fact that their bodies are jelly-like as is, and their interesting head shape - the shape of a water droplet.

Okay, maybe that one's a bit obvious. But here's something else -

When you raise a Chao properly, letting it cycle through 2 incarnations and feeding it every possible animal, it will grow up to be a Light Chaos Chao, which are immortal and never die. Also, take care to notice their body shape. Green eyes, the head shape, claws for hands, even some of the details become blue and translucent, like water! It's a lot like Chaos himself, no?

It's apparent that Chaos, the water god, was once a Light Chaos Chao. Okay, now stay with me, here.

What if there's some underlying connection between the Chao, Chaos and the Chaos Emeralds?

Remember, in Sonic Heroes, Metal Sonic was able to obtain data from Cheese's brother, Chocola Chao, and Froggy (who had come in contact with Chaos by eating his tail). Froggy is obviously a special case, but why kidnap Chocola?

I believe that deep within every Chao, they each have the ability to use the power of the Chaos or Master Emerald(s) to transform into that liquid god-like state.

This would explain why some ho-hum Chao would be beneficial for Metal Sonic to copy data from. Because the DNA within each and every Chao shows the potential to transform like Chaos.

And how true it is! Whenever you give a Chao an animal, it copies not only the appendages of said animal, but also the personality.

Which raises an interesting idea.

How does Metal Sonic himself have the ability to copy the abilities of other characters? Same can go for Emerl from Sonic Battle: the ability to copy abilities, personalities and other features is one of the many abilities of the Chaos Emeralds.

Think about it - we know that Emerl's creation was heavily involved with the Chaos Emeralds (every emerald he collects, he gets stronger and more intelligent) and it's plausible that during Eggman's engineering of Metal Sonic, he incorporated some energy/data from the Chaos Emeralds themselves to help program him with the ability to copy the powers of others so swiftly. How else can a robot copy something without being built with the abilities beforehand? Because the power of the Chaos Emeralds make it possible!

This goes back to the theory of Chao and the Chaos Emeralds. Chao are ancient life forms on Sonic's world that have stayed alive for many centuries. If the Chaos Emeralds are responsible for starting life on Sonic's planet, do you think that the Chao are the first creatures they created, hence their close affinity with them?

So... tl;dr:

All Chao can potentially become water monsters like Chaos

The ability to transform and copy is a natural ability of the Chaos Emeralds

Therefore, the ability for Chao to copy and transform confirms their ability to use the Chaos Emeralds

And beyond that, Metal Sonic and Emerl may very well have been engineered with this copying ability, thanks to said Emeralds

[Vertekins]

You know that Sonic is possessive of his shoes and/or feels a real connection to them when he engraves the soles of them with his own name;

Someone at Retro discovered this, not me.

[Linkabel]

You know that Sonic is possessive of his shoes and/or feels a real connection to them when he engraves the soles of them with his own name;

Someone at Retro discovered this, not me.

What this is mind blowing! From what game is this Sonic Adventure DX right?

[Diogenes]

Emerald Town wasn't a one-game thing;

*snip*

The characters really do live there.

But the trees in Emerald Town are just generic GHZ-esque palms.

Also I don't see a non-palm tree to match the one in that shot with Gemerl. (also where are the other two shots from? I don't recognize them)

[Vertekins]

(also where are the other two shots from? I don't recognize them)

The lab one is from a cutscene in Sonic Jump whilst the palmtree one is from Shuffle's credits.

[Blue Blood]

Two generic labs that look quite different, two generic beach scenes and two generic houses. There's really nothing in it.

[Johnny Boy]

Emerald Town wasn't a one-game thing;

The characters really do live there.

What game is that picture of the classic four in the sunset from?

[Vertekins]

What game is that picture of the classic four in the sunset from?

Sonic Shuffle. It's a picture from the credits sequence.

[Komodin]

What game is that picture of the classic four in the sunset from?

If I recall correctly, that picture is from Sonic Shuffle's ending credits.

Edit: Eh, what Verte said. Ninja'd again...

Edited July 20, 2012 by Komodin

[Nerfuffle]

At the end of Frog Forest, the platform with the goal ring on it shaped like an enormous pair of jaws, foreshadowing the crocodile you meet in the next level.

[Your Vest Friend]

I dunno about the lab and sunset one, but I could believe the house since Advance 3 is basically a direct sequel to Battle, even though it's also a direct sequel to Sonic Advance 2.

Also, the Chaos = Mutant Light Chaos chao thing always seemed obvious to me...but what part of the chao contains the giant lizard form DNA? The chao look nothing like angry lizards!

[JezMM]

I agree the town thing is a bit straw-clutching but I choose to buy into it myself. Moaning that the similarities aren't pixel perfect in each game is kind of like saying Sonic in the Riders' games isn't the same Sonic because he has different propotions and outfit. =B

Well I sort of buy into it anyway. I think to think of it as one of several places they live it would seem. After all Tails' has yet another workshop in Adventure and another in Rush and Cream has a different looking house in Rush.

Man, maybe we're discovering just where ALL of them keep all those gold rings. They've taken their fame and riches and all become property tycoons.

Edited July 21, 2012 by JezMM

[Law]

You guys know Mr. Know-it-All from Sonic Adventure, right?

You know how he tells information that you probably already know, right? Well here's my theory about him, Mr. Know-It-All may be in fact the person who built Omochao/s. Mainly, because Sonic & his friends ignored him, so one day he got tired of it and decided to place them everywhere to annoy the crap out of Sonic and Co. Or he could be Omochao himself; after the flood of Station Square Mr. Know-It-All might have drowned and may have got his brain transplanted into a robotic Chao. And proceeded to tell useless shit once again

[Person]

Regarding Sonic Adventure, characters recieved re-designs.

But early beta and concept art pictures show that though they were redesigned, their eyes remained black:

I wonder if any other models were like this.

[Milo]

Speaking of which, in a Sonic Adventure Japanese commercial featuring Tails speaking about his role in the story (can be seen below), there's a scene (0:18 in the video) that uses 3D models of Sonic and Tails in their classic designs. it could be likely that classic designs were probably going to be used at some point before they opted to redesign the characters The models look like they are from the models seen in Sonic games on the Sega Saturn (they are either from Sonic 3D Blast, Sonic Jam, or Sonic R). Note that 3D Blast (Saturn) was first released in 1996 in NA (it was later released in 1997 in PAL territories and 1998 in Japan), and the latter two games were both released in 1997. Sonic Adventure was first released at the end of 1998 in Japan.

[UltDevilDoom]

The character models seem to get better with every new game. But for some fans it just takes it farther away from the "great" classic designs.

[WarioBone]

The models look like they are from the models seen in Sonic games on the Sega Saturn

I've read that, EXTREMELY early on, they were actually using the ones from R as placeholders.

[- Eternal Paradox -]

Back to that Chao/Chaos theory, I read on Sonic Wiki, that if you raise a chao in certain manner, it will become a chaos chao.

In order to do this, you need to give the chao EXACTLY one of each animal(and no light cores). Are we to assume this was how chaos elevolved? Maybe the chaos emeralds and master emerld have something to do with it, given his close connection to them, and how he's able to use to emeralds to evolve...

[Law]

^

So Chaos 0 could be a running type animal. Chaos 2, a power type animal and Chaos 4 could be a swimming type animal. And Chaos 6 is a mixture of both.