Sonic Unleashed: Discussion about Sonic the Werehog

[scourgeandfionafan123]

welcome to the first sonic unleashed thread where we show our love for anything involving this game. Today's thread will show love and support for the awesome and amazing, sonic the werehog with his amazing fuzzy fur.

[WarioBone]

I think it could've been done well, but it wasn't.

Make him much faster and lose the stretchy arms. Less painful platforming with bad controls, more fun combat (FUN combat) and more Adventure-like platforming.

EDIT: Yeah, should've been Knuckles.

Edited August 19, 2012 by Billionaire Playboy Wario

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Should've been Knuckles.

[McGroose]

I actually did enjoy the Werehog gameplay somewhat. Although that's probably just because I love hack n slash type games. The platforming bits he had were ok. But really, the Werehog should have just been Knuckles without the stretchy arms.

Here's what I'm wondering though. How does Sonic Transforming into the Werehog suddenly give his shoes cleats?

Man that model is just so gorgeous. Unleashed really did have some amazing visuals.

Edited August 19, 2012 by Mephiles550

[Law]

I would have liked his gameplay more if he played like the game Ristar in 2D.

Edited August 19, 2012 by Law

[Sly4Good]

This is a some what Biased Opinion, as Unleashed WAS the first Sonic game I played that I truly loved, I enjoyed the Werehog stages a lot more than a lot of people would. Sure, It was flawed (Really slow, could have been replaced by Knuckles) but it was still enjoyable....it just doesn't feel right in a sonic game. But back to why I like it, I just find it fun to go and destroy almost everything in your path. You tell me it's not fun to go and smash your way through Windmill Island or Dragon road? I also found the controls...rather decent for a fighter/hack n' Slash. Could it have been replaced by Knuckles? Absolutely! I would have paid MORE to even have that as a DLC option, as it would have been a better DLC than what we got.

[SenEDDtor Missile]

Well, some minor changes I would have done to the Werehog include:

1. Make it so he can use his melee attacks while he is moving.
   
   
2. Make his dash activate automatically when he moves at top speed.
   

The more major changes to make his tactics more Sonic like and a little speedier:

1. When he grabs a solid object (like a pole), instead of simply flying towards it like he normally does, make it so you can walk backwards while grabbing the object until it reaches max stretch limit, and then you can let go of the pole to fling yourself forwards. Basically, have his arms act like a slingshot under the right conditions.
   
   
2. When he is in the air, you can tap the jump button to make him do a helicopter esque thing with his arms (hey it's certainly more useful than just a double jump).
   
   
3. When he falls down from midair and lands on a slope, he automatically rolls into a ball, letting him gain some speed. You can press an attack button to make him stop and throw out a double punch.
   

I hope that made sense. There will definitely have to be changes to the level design of course to match the new gameplay mechanics.

Edited August 19, 2012 by Enigmatus

[Vertekins]

The gameplay would've been automatically better if the Werehog was reskinned as Knuckles? That's character bias of the most blatant and silliest kind.

Oh God I LOVE the Werehog. Second favourite Sonic form, the normal form being my fave.

It's ironic because the very first leaks had me quite apprehensive about him. I was initially very concerned that he would be a mindless beast who didn't have the capacity for speech and would be monstrously violent, even a violation of Sonic's character. Then months later, the game released and took those concerns and threw them in a woodchipper.

His design is an masterful combination of sheer toughness and whimsy, both intimidating and cuddly. He looks like he could rip you limb-from-limb without any real effort and yet this kind of bruteness is balanced out by comically stretchy limbs and short legs. Not to mention his fighting style focuses on the funny.

He grabs enemies and pummels them into the ground with bone-crushing force in hilarious ways. My personal favourite is the move in which he grabs an enemy and smashes them repeatedly into the ground in front of him then behind him repeatedly very fast. Almost makes you feel sorry for them. And it's just awesome how he beats the crap out of the Dark Gaia Phoenix and Egg Dragoon, literally tearing the latter apart with his bare hands.

The implications that Sonic actually loves the way he looks and greatly enjoys what he can do is intriguing. And I liked how the nature of the form itself allowed for some cool character development.

[WarioBone]

The gameplay would've been automatically better if the Werehog was reskinned as Knuckles? That's character bias of the most blatant and silliest kind.

Oh well. I sure as fuck would've liked it more.

[SenEDDtor Missile]

Oh well. I sure as fuck would've liked it more.

And completely derail the plot in the process, since the Werehog is PART OF THE PLOT (though the resolution probably could have been expanded on).

[scourgeandfionafan123]

i would too

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The gameplay would've been automatically better if the Werehog was reskinned as Knuckles?

QUOTE WHERE I SAID THIS. Seriously, when the FUDGE did I ever say that? That's a grand assumption to make, jeez.

And completely derail the plot in the process, since the Werehog is PART OF THE PLOT (though the resolution probably could have been expanded on).

And just like the plot was organized to fit the Werehog, it could've been organized to fit Knuckles into the plot without making him appear to be shoehorned in. Edited August 19, 2012 by Extruder

[SenEDDtor Missile]

QUOTE WHERE I SAID THIS. Seriously, when the FUDGE did I ever say that? That's a grand assumption to make, jeez.

Your statement "Should have been Knuckles" implies it would have been better somehow if the Werehog was Knuckles, even though it would have changed nothing in terms of gameplay mechanics. Not to mention it would mean the story would need to be changed to match this reskinning.

Edited August 19, 2012 by Enigmatus

[Eternal EX]

The gameplay would've been automatically better if the Werehog was reskinned as Knuckles? That's character bias of the most blatant and silliest kind.

It may have been a bias opinion but that would have given Knuckles a reason to show up again as a main character and not a side hoe. Anything the werehog did, knuckles could have done and better. Screw double jumping or the awkward platforming areas, Knuckles could have just glided over the stuff and kept on trotting til the end of each level.

Anyways, the werehog did it's purpose, act as a gimmick to one of sonic's strongest games in the past 5 years.

I don't see this topic lasting very long.

Edited August 19, 2012 by Eternal X

[Colors]

I loved Unleashed. The game had a great atmosphere and you could tell the dev team put their soul into it. It also has one of the best soundtracks, and the World Adventure main theme is worthy of the finest orchestra.

[WarioBone]

And completely derail the plot in the process, since the Werehog is PART OF THE PLOT (though the resolution probably could have been expanded on).

-ahem-

The planet breaking apart and the Chaos Emeralds losing their power causes insane stress on the Master Emerald, dropping Angel Island into the depths of the planet instead of the sea (because it was over a fault). The Master Emerald keeps the island safe while bathed in lava, but only for a little while. Knuckles just barely escapes the plummeting island, ending up in Mazuri, where he and Sonic eventually meet. The two team up to restore the Chaos Emeralds and save the planet and Angel Island.

Dark Gaia's influence on Sonic could be removed with nothing of value lost.

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Your statement "Should have been Knuckles" implies it would have been better somehow if the Werehog was Knuckles, even though it would have changed nothing in terms of gameplay mechanics. Not to mention it would mean the story would need to be changed to match this reskinning.

When I said it should have been Knuckles, that means it should've been Knuckles. A skin swap doesn't even apply, Knuckles doesn't have stretchy arms or anything like that. When I say Knuckles I mean KNUCKLES, but whatevs.

[Wraith]

I prefer the Werehog to knuckles. It provided Sonic with some nice character moments.

[SenEDDtor Missile]

-ahem-

The planet breaking apart and the Chaos Emeralds losing their power causes insane stress on the Master Emerald, dropping Angel Island into the depths of the planet instead of the sea (because it was over a fault). The Master Emerald keeps the island safe while bathed in lava, but only for a little while. Knuckles just barely escapes the plummeting island, ending up in Mazuri, where he and Sonic eventually meet. The two team up to restore the Chaos Emeralds and save the planet and Angel Island.

Dark Gaia's influence on Sonic could be removed with nothing of value lost.

Other than the part where Sonic's willpower is what keeps him from going crazy like everyone else, so the dark gaia energy changed his physical capabilities instead.

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-ahem-

The planet breaking apart and the Chaos Emeralds losing their power causes insane stress on the Master Emerald, dropping Angel Island into the depths of the planet instead of the sea (because it was over a fault). The Master Emerald keeps the island safe while bathed in lava, but only for a little while. Knuckles just barely escapes the plummeting island, ending up in Mazuri, where he and Sonic eventually meet. The two team up to restore the Chaos Emeralds and save the planet and Angel Island.

Dark Gaia's influence on Sonic could be removed with nothing of value lost.

That actually sounds pretty neat, would've taken this over the werewolf gimmick.

[WarioBone]

Other than the part where Sonic's willpower is what keeps him from going crazy like everyone else, so the dark gaia energy changed his physical capabilities instead.

Never once stated in-game. BARELY hinted.

Oh, Sonic's really willful? Not like that's been a dominant character trait for the last 20 years. Like I said, nothing of value lost.

[SenEDDtor Missile]

Never once stated in-game. BARELY hinted.

Oh, Sonic's really willful? Not like that's been a dominant character trait for the last 20 years. Like I said, nothing of value lost.

DURING THE CUTSCENE AFTER CHIP FINDS OUT HE'S LIGHT GAIA!

[Diogenes]

The werehog was the best bad idea they've had.

[WarioBone]

DURING THE CUTSCENE AFTER CHIP FINDS OUT HE'S LIGHT GAIA!

Oops. Well, okay.

/beatingdeadhorsenothingofvalueislost

Would've much preferred playing up the Sonic/Knuckles rivalry, them constantly wanting to outdo the other. Knuckles would show genuine concern for his home and the Master Emerald, leading to some touching friendship "Everything's gonna be okay, bro" moments for them.

Plus, it's fucking Knuckles. FUCKING. KNUCKLES.

Edited August 20, 2012 by Billionaire Playboy Wario

[MegaMan_EXE]

I like the Werehog. It wasn't done perfectly, but I liked it.

My favorite part was the platforming. It wasn't traditional Sonic platforming, it came from GoD or DMC, or in SEGA cases, Ristar thanks to the arms. While the beat-em up aspect had a lot of attacks and combos, it is a button masher, and does get stale after a while.

There's a lot to level up on the Werehog, so it's going to take you a while if you're a completionist.

The design for him is awesome, IMO. The jazz theme, while I like jazz, I don't think it felts the Werehog. At all.

I would've preferred heavy metal. Overall, I did like the Werehog.