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It's nearly the same voice as his Sonic one, just calmer. That's what. :V

But yeah, Roger is pretty decent and could use some improvement, but I hate to see this happened to Ryan since he is my favorite VA of the three Sonic's had. Also I feel bad for Griffith since he was just getting really (read: really) good with the storybook titles and Unleashed, and then vocal fans got him the boot.

All I feel that can be done now is give my condolences to Drummond and Griffith, and a 'good luck' to RCS in shaping up his Sonic voice for future titles, because in all honesty it is a bit lacking in expression variety, albeit still pretty nice I suppose.

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Both the interview and a majority of the posts in this thread were an interesting and good read...I thought for sure I was going to get a headache reading anything about Sonic voice actors. Glad I was wrong. smile.png

Anyway, I never did like Ryan Drummond's voice as Sonic (not to mention I'm perfectly fine with Roger Craig Smith after his Sonic voice finally grew on me), but after reading that article I sure do like him as a person more. Such a nice and genuine guy, and he definitely didn't need to be put through the crap that Sega put him through...not once, but twice. Unbelievable.

I know we have only one side of the story, but I honestly can't give Sega the benefit of the doubt in the situation. Sega has been infamous for doing some stupid and ignorant stuff, but this takes the cake! I mean, how are can you ask someone to give up their Union, which is the main source of income for him? Such an ignorant request sounds shady. I think Ryan dodged a bullet there had he obligied; I have a feeling Sega would of screwed him over and he would of had no way to protect himself without an Union.

In the end I'm glad Ryan didn't come back as Sonic. Aside from my personal preference, or lack thereof with him, it looks like it wouldn't of been in Ryan's best interest to accept the job under those ridiculous terms that Sega offered. Sega did him wrong twice, and if there is any silver lining to this situation, I hope Ryan knows that he doesn't have to be associated with a crappy company that is self-destructing. I say he is better off without them.

And since Sega wants to change the voice acting cast every 5 years or so, reverting back to a previous voice actor would of seem counterproductive to the purpose to changing voice actors in the first place. Besides, I'm really enjoying Roger and (most of) the rest of the current cast. I wish them well amid the madness, and I only hope that they can stick around for a while and not get screwed over also as they surely don't deserve it. No one does.

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I don't really see how Ryan was "screwed" on the way back. Going by what he said, he was too expensive to hire. Simple as that. Roger Craig Smith clearly had no issue with that very same deal, and he gets loads of work to.

SEGA was interested in hiring him back, the deal wasn't good enough for him. This sort of thing happens all the time in the acting business, doesn't make either side "bad".

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was his price his own fault or the fault of his union? I admit to having little understanding of unions. I know they can apparently play a part as to why some actors can't play some roles. Usually due to contract or pay.

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was his price his own fault or the fault of his union? I admit to having little understanding of unions. I know they can apparently play a part as to why some actors can't play some roles. Usually due to contract or pay.

The purpose of a union is to protect the pay of its participants. No one can take below a certain pay. That's why when unions go on strike for better wages, people who go to work and take the lower wages, thus hurting the union's cause are called "scabs".

So as long as he's a part of the union, he likely wouldn't have been able to take SEGA's price. Still, its his choice to be a part of that union, and its a good choice as it ensures he only gets work for the pay he wants. It simply meant he was too expensive for SEGA.

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I don't really see how Ryan was "screwed" on the way back. Going by what he said, he was too expensive to hire. Simple as that. Roger Craig Smith clearly had no issue with that very same deal, and he gets loads of work to.

SEGA was interested in hiring him back, the deal wasn't good enough for him. This sort of thing happens all the time in the acting business, doesn't make either side "bad".

The thing is, he was told he got the job and that they were glad to have him back. The union situation didn't come up until afterwards. So, he kinda was screwed considering they said he got the job and then they took it away once the union dispute happened. At least, that's my understanding of the situation.

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It’s a difficult situation in that all looked done and dusted for Ryan to return and then the little issue of a union gets in the way. Of course these days unions are much more common. Voice Actors (or any form of Actor for that matter) will want to get the best deal they can, so one can’t blame Ryan for joining his union.

Personally, I don’t think we can blame SEGA anymore than Ryan or his union. SEGA have their own rules and if the decision had to be made to get Roger on the cheap, then in hindsight with their recent financial struggles maybe it was the correct decision. Very hard to say.

There is an article regarding this on TSSZ. I have to say it is a really good article by Tristan.

http://www.tssznews.com/2012/09/09/report-drummond-re-auditioned-for-sonic-va-during-generations-development/comment-page-1/#comment-117186

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I could be wrong, but in my mind...paying the main characters voice actor in a series is NOT going to make or break a company as big as Sega no matter how "bad" they are doing financially.

What actor anyone likes better is totally besides the point and irrelevant here in my mind.

The fact of the matter is, Ryan was cast as Sonic first. Sega played with fire when they replaced the cast with the 4kids one.

Its a move that was unfair and simply should have NEVER been made.

Which is why getting Ryan back would be a step forward in my mind. I am NOT just saying this because he is my favorite Sonic voice.

I just think its horrible to begin with to give someone such a big role as one of the most iconic characters and then take it away for little to no reason, which is why I feel like Drummond deserves another chance.

To be completely fair, no one really knows what EXACTLY went down behind closed doors, Im sure Sega had their reasons even if they were not fair ones.

And Ryan also said " There’s a lot more detail I can’t go into because of legal reasons,"

I just really wonder what these details are.

I feel like Ryan has a very clear and accurate view of what happened to him, If he feels he was treated poorly then I am steered to agree.

Of course, this is just based off my feeling that hes a genuine and nice guy.

I still say...back when Drummond was voicing Sonic, VERY FEW people had a problem with his voice.

Sure, some reviews critisized the voice acting in the games but the VAST majority of the fanbase was content with Ryan. Therefor Sega had something that was not broken and tried to fix it by replacing him (In a sense)

Now, if HALF the fanbase disliked Ryans portrayol, this would be different.

Then, when the 4kids actors came along, the VAST majority of the fanbase were pissed off

it seemed to me that at least a good 95 percent of people wanted Ryan back...

That just shows me that Ryan was doing something right.

With the 4kids actors in the picture, new generations of people were introduced into the franchise thinking the characters were being portrayed accurately.

A portion of the fanbase started leaning towards Jason and Company because that portrayal of Sonic was the first portrayol they had seen. (Or the rare situation that they thought Jason was an improvement when they grew up with Ryan)

I believe it is a objective statement to say...If you change a characters voice, you change the feel of the character, therefor changing the character in a sense.

Some say Jason and Ryan sound the same...but the majority of people would agree they sound different.

Whether or not you like Ryan or Jason or Roger better is besides the point.

The point is...

If you change a characters voice, you change the character, period.

This is why this situation is so screwed up to me, when they made such a drastic change they changed who Sonic was (despite whoever liked his new portrayal) and fired someone who never deserved to be fired in the process.

I am aware that even if I feel like some of my statements are not subjective, that other people have different views and I totally respect that.

I am also aware that this may have come of as a bit preechy. Im just someone that cant stand not giving my whole view on a situation.

By the way, even though I personally dont feel like Jasons portrayal of Sonic is an accurate one.

I respect and feel sympathy towards die hard jason fans because Jason being replaced with as big of a change as Roger is also changing the feel of the character which in turn changes the character.

The main point im trying to get across here, is they should have never changed Sonics voice in the first place.

I might be very stubborn about this, but I cant help the way I feel.

In my mind, Ryan deserves the job because he never should of lost it and it was his first.

It is very sad to me because its not fair to Roger or Jason to be replaced with Ryan either.

I just feel like Ryan is MOST deserving because of him being the first one and how he was treated.

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Which is why getting Ryan back would be a step forward in my mind. I am NOT just saying this because he is my favorite Sonic voice.

I just think its horrible to begin with to give someone such a big role as one of the most iconic characters and then take it away for little to no reason, which is why I feel like Drummond deserves another chance.

So it's horrible for this to have been done to Ryan back in the day (and I agree), yet it's perfectly fine to do the same thing to Roger just because you feel Ryan should come back? I'm guessing you meant before Roger was actually cast for the role.

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It's horrible for it to happen to anybody, you being replaced for no reason.

In the meantime I'm happy that we have Roger and I know the same thing will probably happen to him in a few years. There's really nothing we can do about it.

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So it's horrible for this to have been done to Ryan back in the day (and I agree), yet it's perfectly fine to do the same thing to Roger just because you feel Ryan should come back? I'm guessing you meant before Roger was actually cast for the role.

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This doesn't really surprise me.

SEGA were assholes back in 2005, so them still being assholes 7 years later isn't shocking news. I'm apathetic towards Drummond's performances, so whether or not he returns makes no real difference to me (hopefully direction and his acting have improved since then).

He had the opportunity, but unsurprisingly, the fact that this is a job and SEGA were offering unfair terms, meant he couldn't accept the offer.

Drummond also made one large mistake. SEGA don't have "zillions of dollars". They're relatively small for a publisher and their cashflow is hardly amazing.

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Hum... sorry for reposting that xD But what's up with SEGA anyway? Do they like him or not?

Contrary to popular belief, when you work for a large company you're not part of a hivemind. The people who did the trailer aren't necessarily the people who deal with the auctions and for all we know the refusal to hire a union worker may have even come from a Sammy executive or something.

EDIT: And also, in regards to people wondering if Roger is working for nothing. For starters we're not sure how much he makes, but even then it wouldn't be the first case of an actor liking a role so much he's willing to do it almost for free. In a similar case, Doctor Who actor Anthony Aisley refused, for years, to do any acting work in general so he always had time to play the Master at BBC's request.

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Contrary to popular belief, when you work for a large company you're not part of a hivemind. The people who did the trailer aren't necessarily the people who deal with the auctions and for all we know the refusal to hire a union worker may have even come from a Sammy executive or something.

EDIT: And also, in regards to people wondering if Roger is working for nothing. For starters we're not sure how much he makes, but even then it wouldn't be the first case of an actor liking a role so much he's willing to do it almost for free. In a similar case, Doctor Who actor Anthony Aisley refused, for years, to do any acting work in general so he always had time to play the Master at BBC's request.

Very good points.

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I thought we already knew Sega were a bunch of assholes about this when they fired and replaced him for ShtH without even telling him that they had.

Don't forget that they then did the same exact thing to Griffith and the rest of the 4Kids cast (sans Pollock) for Sonic Colors.

But yeah....Sega's treatment of Drummond....douche move.

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*insert Sonic 1 1-UP jingle here*

And really this basically confirms Sega are just a bunch of hacks, and killed any likability I've had for them.

Meh, it seemed more like restating the obvious that Sega are a bunch of hacks in my opinion. *glances at VA examples above, sideglance at Sonic 4 saga*

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