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How? They offered him the job with seemingly harsh conditions yes, but he was in no way screwed over? Its not like they had made contractual commitments and then dropped him. Geez.

They didn't tell him about these conditions until long after they had him thinking he was Sonic again. It's just not ethical to treat people like this no matter what the conditions are.

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And I say that language difference have nothing to do with being able to recognize a great VA, an appropriate tone and the ability to appreciate a sense of consistency.

It has at least a little bit to do with it. Wouldn't it be natural to hear foreign speakers as sounding 'better' since we like the unusual?

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Had he merely said-

Normally when people are upset about something they don't put much effort in to trying to make the other side innocent in anyway.

Like I said before we are hearing info from one side...it easy for people to sympathize with him because people connect with the guy, he is indeed in the hearts of many (including mine), but personally?

I would have kept something like this to myself. There was no need to bring something like this to public notion.

To me right now the guy is playing the role as victim and is wanting to look for some sympathy...there nothing wrong with that, but I'd like to see what the "bad guys" have to say first and since we might never hear that..I'm not harping about it.

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They didn't tell him about these conditions until long after they had him thinking he was Sonic again. It's just not ethical to treat people like this no matter what the conditions are.

Unethical? No, not by a longshot.

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They didn't tell him about these conditions until long after they had him thinking he was Sonic again. It's just not ethical to treat people like this no matter what the conditions are.

Look, I'm sorry, but if he is a professional he knows damn well that it's in the contract or its worth nothing.

EDIT: I mean, yeah he feels upset. Good for him, I can agree. He thought he was gonna get a job but didn't. That's always a bummer.

Not SEGA's fault, though.

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I prefer the absolute best acting and voice direction for a character, which a ton of the Japanese VAs have over their American counterparts.

So being Japanese automatically makes you a better VA? I'm sure there are plenty of American VAs who outdo their Japanese counterparts just as well.

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I gotta go with Soniman on this one. Emotion is nice, yes, but what good is it if you don't know what the hell they're saying, therefore you don't even know what emotion they're supposed to convey?

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So being Japanese automatically makes you a better VA? I'm sure there are plenty of American VAs who outdo their Japanese counterparts just as well.

My statement means exactly what it says: I prefer the best acting out of a character, and a ton of Sonic Japanese VAs serve this point better than their American counterparts. This does not mean I believe all of them do (case in point: Don't like Silver's Japanese VA for that role at all), or that merely being Japanese gives you some kind of hidden talent for this thing that Americans don't possess. Contrary to what the avatar implies, I'm not a weaboo.

Normally when people are upset about something they don't put much effort in to trying to make the other side innocent in anyway.

Maybe sometimes the other side isn't all that innocent. Sometimes people are genuinely screwed over; this has been reiterated numerous times throughout this topic in the form of "Well, that's life" or "He should've expected this because the industry is always like this." Indeed, if we all believe in the notion that the VA industry is brutal, that implies some element of screwing over and guilt on part of the industry, does it not?

Regardless, considering all we have to go on, it is just as likely that Sega dealt him a really shitty hand after delving out false promises as it is that Ryan is whining and bitching because he didn't get his dream job.

I would have kept something like this to myself. There was no need to bring something like this to public notion.

To me right now the guy is playing the role as victim and is wanting to look for some sympathy.

He was asked the question about returning to the franchise; I don't know why he would let the story of a recent re-audition escape his answer when it was extremely relevant. Subsequently at the end of his response, he says "I'd love to be Sonic again, but I can't, and I have other work to keep me busy anyway." This does not sound like a persecution complex, especially when it's not even a majority of what the actual article talks about.

And on another note, I feel like I'm the only one who read said article. xP

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Because the ability to perceive emotion is universal. It's not so much the words as it is the tone that puts across a character's feelings a lot of the time. And it just so happens that Junichi is better at doing this than any other VA. Besides, with the exception of the two Adventure games (Which went out of their way to rewrite script and had commonly bad translation) and Colours' frequently very different script from english, the script is nowhere near different enough to make characters characterizations and lines vastly different or hard to pick up on.

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Because the ability to perceive emotion is universal. It's not so much the words as it is the tone that puts across a character's feelings a lot of the time. And it just so happens that Junichi is better at doing this than any other VA. Besides, with the exception of the two Adventure games (Which went out of their way to rewrite script and had commonly bad translation) and Colours' frequently very different script from english, the script is nowhere near different enough to make characters characterizations and lines vastly different or hard to pick up on.

Well, it can be said that emotion is shown mostly through facial expressions and body language. Which by the way, have been rather lacklustre after Unleashed's masterfully animated ones. In my personal opinion, sometimes it feels like Junichi is overacting a little bit (by that I mean over-compensating for the lack of quality animation)

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I want to hear the full story before making conclusive judgments, but I will say that the story from Ryan's point of view does paint SEGA as rather antagonistic.

There's one big detail that's bothering me, and I'm surprised nobody has brought this up yet. Take a look at what Ryan said about the deal:

Then when the actual offer came to my agent, it was a complete joke. They asked me to leave my union (which is how I make a living), do all kinds of work for no compensation, etc. It was a real slap in the face. I really don’t see it ever happening.

All kinds of work for no compensation, something you never see happening, a complete joke... yikes. This must have been a pretty terrible deal, huh? Good on Ryan for not accepting it, because it's clear that SEGA's scraping the bottom of the barrel and aren't interested in paying a reasonable amount of money for quality actors.

...

That is, exempting Kyle Hebert, Laura Bailey, Vic Mignogna, Kate Higgins, Troy Baker, Quinton Flynn, Travis Willingham, and of course, Roger Craig Smith, all of whom are quite well-known because of their skill and prominence in the industry.

I can't help but find it odd that Ryan Drummond, whose name is rarely known by anyone who isn't a Sonic fan, thinks he's too good for a deal that all of these voice actors were perfectly happy with.

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Ryan almost returned? Good thing he didn't! Even Jason sucked less! I'd go as far to say he and the other Dreamcast voice actors helped ruin Sonic the Hedgehog.

What a magnificent way to start your tenure on SSMB.

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We got a troll folks.

I gotta go with Soniman on this one. Emotion is nice, yes, but what good is it if you don't know what the hell they're saying, therefore you don't even know what emotion they're supposed to convey?

An American actor is hit hard in the knee with a plank of wood by a character he is not supposed to be aware of. He steps to the side a little, barely grabs his knee, and stands straight while asking calmly why the person did that.

A Japanese actor is hit hard in the knee with a plank of wood by a character he is not supposed to be aware of. He shouts in pain, grabs his knee, and points fingers at the attacker while talking angrily.

You can clearly understand the American actor, but not a word of the Japanese one. Regardless, who did the better acting job?

I mean, ffs people, while you may not understand all of intricacies of a foreign work without any comprehension of the language, especially without subtitles, like you would an English work, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out who's good or appropriate acting. Really, I didn't have to dawn a lab coat to see that Pan's Labyrinth is a better film than Transformers. xP

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I'm not a troll, I'm speaking from my heart. I care about Sonic just as much as the next fan. On the Sega Genesis Sonic was the shit. Then he became a laughingstock. Not only were there stupid characters in Sonic Adventure, there were also goofy as hell voices. That game placed Sonic on a landslide to fail. Only good Sonic games to not fail recently are the Sonic 4 Episodes, which at least slightly capture what Sonic was about. A cool dude with attitude just getting the freaking job done, without any stupid as hell catchphrases.

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That is, exempting Kyle Hebert, Laura Bailey, Vic Mignogna, Kate Higgins, Troy Baker, Quinton Flynn, Travis Willingham, and of course, Roger Craig Smith, all of whom are quite well-known because of their skill and prominence in the industry.

I can't help but find it odd that Ryan Drummond, whose name is rarely known by anyone who isn't a Sonic fan, thinks he's too good for a deal that all of these voice actors were perfectly happy with.

I explained earlier - those actors aren't union and thus had different conditions. SEGA is paying them as if they're "bottom of the barrel" actors. It's disgusting not only how they treated Ryan, but also how they're paying Roger and the others.

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I explained earlier - those actors aren't union and thus had different conditions. SEGA is paying them as if they're "bottom of the barrel" actors. It's disgusting not only how they treated Ryan, but also how they're paying Roger and the others.

How is it disgusting if they signed the contract and were perfectly happy to take the job? Nobody's forcing them to do it, and I really don't think Laura Bailey was desperate enough for any job to take one with awful conditions.

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