The Triumphs of the Modern Games

[SIXTH-RATE SOMA]

Countless months have passed since I first found my way to the Sonic Stadium, and since that day I have been assailed with all manner of negativity concerning the modern Sonic games as can possibly be expected from teenagers and twentysomethings. And for a while, I endured it silently. I suppose the "Problems with the Classic Games" thread was the last straw in this regard, as it seems that it was started with no other purpose than to denounce games that hadn't been denounced yet. So I have cobbled together this patchwork topic to try and combat this attitude of late. We've spent innumerable discussions trying to find the terrible aspects of everything under the sun; what do you say we try looking for silver linings again?

What do you guys think the modern games (from Adventure onward) did right?

I think green eyes make Sonic look kinda cool.

Edited October 10, 2012 by The Fifth-Rate Flareon

[Wraith]

I like Colors and Generations better than any classic game bar Sonic 3 and K.

[Chaos Warp]

You should probably buff up that OP.

Anyway, I like how the games from the Classics onward at least tried to have more expanded stories and narrative. It may have not been that great, but I enjoyed the stories of SA1, SA2, and Unleashed. Colours was okay too, but too heavy on jokes.

Also, I love the Modern Gameplay shown in Generations and it's my favorite playstyle next to the classic one.

Edited October 10, 2012 by Zero

[Jin.]

I like them better then the Classics... So meh.

[Jack / Joker]

They took a badass motherfucker and turned him into the badassiest motherfucker!

[batson]

They introduced jiggling boobs and panty-shots into the series. If that's not commendable then i dont know what is.

[Soniman]

Sonic Colors and Generations are top tier games in my book and more than welcome in the pantheon of Classic games.

[Diogenes]

Grinding in early SA2 levels. Mostly City Escape. Rails were mostly short and in believable places, and there was a balancing mechanic (rough as it was).

The homing attack was a good idea when it was created. It should've advanced beyond that early implementation as the series went on, but it was a serviceable solution to attacking in 3D.

This also is good. In fact for the most part Eggman has had a lot of success in the 3D games (not...in the sense of beating Sonic and taking over the world, of course...)

[LATER BUDDY]

You should probably buff up that OP.

Couldn't have said it better. Could you edit your OP so that you have some of your own opinion to this thread so people have something to discuss off of? If not soon, I'll probably lock this.

Thanks!

[Semi-colon e]

I think that while the games often got too dark in style and whatnot, it ultimately meant that the level aesthetics could become a bit grittier as well as being naturalistic and surreal, adding variety. I only feel it's been done properly in SA1 and Generations (Planet Wisp and Crisis City contrast really well), but the fact we're more used to some of the grimdark shit existing can help in terms of level aesthetics.

[Kuzu]

I love how the games actually got more story involved, even if it wasn't intentional on their part. They ended up expanding on a fairly small universe, and it's lovely.

Also Eggman, because it's Eggman.

[Wraith]

Couldn't have said it better. Could you edit your OP so that you have some of your own opinion to this thread so people have something to discuss off of? If not soon, I'll probably lock this.

Thanks!

Don't see the point of locking the thread just because the OP doesn't go into detail about his opinion. Discussion seems to be going fine without it.

[Kuzu]

For better or worse, they gave us Shadow....yeah I said it, what of it?

[Chaos Warp]

Grinding in early SA2 levels. Mostly City Escape. Rails were mostly short and in believable places, and there was a balancing mechanic (rough as it was).

The homing attack was a good idea when it was created. It should've advanced beyond that early implementation as the series went on, but it was a serviceable solution to attacking in 3D.

This also is good. In fact for the most part Eggman has had a lot of success in the 3D games (not...in the sense of beating Sonic and taking over the world, of course...)

HOLY

FUCKING

SHIT

DIOGNES SAID SOMETHING POSITIVE ABOUT A MODERN GAME

THE END OF THE WORLD IS UPON US

2012

*Ahem*

Anyway, I also liked a few of the characters the Modern games introduced, such as Shadow. Mainly in SA2 because he had good character development and a satisfying conclusion in that. Blaze, because she showed good character development as well in both Rush games.

Edited October 11, 2012 by Zero

[Sarah Jane Smith]

I like how the levels are more parkour-like and have lots of elaborate gimmicks. Really suits Sonic's style.

[Wraith]

For better or worse, they gave us Shadow....yeah I said it, what of it?

I kinda agree with this. If nothing else Shadow gives us some fucking hilarious parodies.

[Abominal SnowTaz]

Don't see the point of locking the thread just because the OP doesn't go into detail about his opinion. Discussion seems to be going fine without it.

The OP has to have effort put into it as well as an explanation of the general discussion by the one who started it. A title of the topic doesn't cut it.

Also, if the mods feel the need to lock a topic on certain circumstances, it doesn't matter how well it's going good or bad..

[Semi-colon e]

Also the attention to detail in the aesthetics of Generations's level re-creations is second to none. I've just been dicking around in Crisis City and the Iblis Worms actually HAVE the diving attack and the body sweeping attack!

[SIXTH-RATE SOMA]

Couldn't have said it better. Could you edit your OP so that you have some of your own opinion to this thread so people have something to discuss off of? If not soon, I'll probably lock this.

Thanks!

Is that better?

[Kuzu]

I kinda agree with this. If nothing else Shadow gives us some fucking hilarious parodies.

That, and he was by far more interesting than any other character at the time.

[Chooch]

The first Adventure made an attempt to broaden and expand upon Knuckles' ancestry while also detailing a connection between the Chaos Emeralds and the Master Emerald. Didn't do a half bad job of it either.

The second Sonic Adventure game introduced an interesting foil / rival character for Sonic whose accomplishments aren't laughably overblown like a certain other hedgehog doppelganger (who happens to be made out of metal).

Heroes reintroduced three of the coolest designed characters in Sonic history. I'm glad the Chaotix came back in some form.

Sonic 06 easily has one of the best soundtracks in the entire series. That Silver the Hedgehog guy that was introduced is pretty cool too.

Sonic Unleashed makes a point at the very beginning of its story that Sonic the Hedgehog is not perfect and makes him pay dearly for his overconfident nature. It also solidifies Eggman as even more of a badass than in the other 3D games.

Sonic Colors has the best showcase of Sonic and Tails' relationship in the entire series. Bar none.

Sonic Generations is a brilliantly crafted love letter to the Sonic the Hedgehog fanbase. Easily one of if not the best 3D Sonic game ever made.

Did I mention Eggman is a fucking badass in the modern games? He's a fucking badass. Seriously, the Eggman of old can't possibly compare to the one we have now.

..Do I win yet?

Edited October 10, 2012 by Chooch

[Ferno]

For the first time in my life I was able to experience Sonic's true speed in gameplay form instead of watching cutscenes and longing to go that fast in-game.

I'll probably never get to experience speed as fast as this in a Sonic game again, as it's pretty unpopular among parts of the fanbase, and Sonic Team are currently slowing Sonic back down with each game, but I still enjoyed it while it lasted.

[Frogging101]

Is that better?

Very good, those are my thoughts exactly. Except I haven't been here 3 months, I've just seen general negativity from the Sonic community for a while.

[Wraith]

For the first time in my life I was able to experience Sonic's true speed in gameplay form instead of watching cutscenes and longing to go that fast in-game.

I'll probably never get to experience speed as fast as this in a Sonic game again, as it's pretty unpopular among parts of the fanbase, and Sonic Team are currently slowing Sonic back down with each game, but I still enjoyed it while it lasted.

It might just be me, but that game looks a fair bit slower than Generations.

Speaking of Generations, it's the only game that's gotten high speed 3D platforming right. If that's not an accomplishment, I don't know what is.

[Abominal SnowTaz]

Very good, those are my thoughts exactly. Except I haven't been here 3 months, I've just seen general negativity from the Sonic community for a while.

Dude, chill. When you think negative of everything, that's what you get.