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Oh, actually I better retract part of that statement. I said I liked Vic Mignogna, which I did, before the last couple weeks informed me of the guy being a massive fucking creep. So he's not good at screaming or being a good human being now.

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Everyone's going to have their own valid takes on something sensitive like that. I still like the roles I enjoyed him in (Broly, Edward Elric, Tamaki Suoh, etc.), and I can also appreciate that his ability to play those roles aren't representative of him as a person. Not everyone's going to be able to disconnect him from the roles though, and that's a perfectly valid reaction as well.

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20 hours ago, Shaddy Zaphod said:

Oh, actually I better retract part of that statement. I said I liked Vic Mignogna, which I did, before the last couple weeks informed me of the guy being a massive fucking creep. So he's not good at screaming or being a good human being now.

Ah shit, what happened now? :😩

 

 

 

 

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51 minutes ago, DabigRG said:

Ah shit, what happened now? :😩

 

 

 

 

Vic Mignogna (voice of Broly) has kinda been saying a lot of shit for a while. Lotta stuff from being a dick at cons, being kinda pervy to fans and being anti gay to name a few.

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2 minutes ago, The Tenth Doctor said:

Vic Mignogna (voice of Broly) has kinda been saying a lot of shit for a while. Lotta stuff from being a dick at cons, being kinda pervy to fans and being anti gay to name a few.

He said that?

 

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1 minute ago, DabigRG said:

He said that?

 

Well no, sorry. They've been said about him, though the proof is all over the place. Guy won't sign fan art of characters in a gay relationship, been seen getting a bit handsy with fans, treating con workers like dirt. The list goes on.

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7 minutes ago, The Tenth Doctor said:

Well no, sorry. They've been said about him, though the proof is all over the place. Guy won't sign fan art of characters in a gay relationship, been seen getting a bit handsy with fans, treating con workers like dirt. The list goes on.

Yeah, I looked up an article with a tumblr link.

Like, the first one is one thing, but seriously wtf.

Also, "Maybe it's because I wasn't fallin for his shit, maybe it's because I'm wearing a Dovaahkiin helmet."

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The homophobic stuff seems a little flimsier, lots of people won't sign or act out yaoi stuff, Vic mostly gets it because he's uber-religious. I've not found any particular cases of him being an ass to actual LGBT people.

The main stuff I was referring to was the sexual assault and general creep-ass behavior, something that's been going on with both fans and fellow voice members. Monical Rial (Bulma, Tsuyu Asui, many others) has been incredibly vocal about this stuff. According to her the guy is a cycle of creepass -> backlash -> crocodile tears -> "I will change my behavior" -> wait -> back to creepass, and I see no reason not to believe her and the dozens of others reporting on this.

I gotta say it hurts, given that I really liked his performance as Edward Elric, but I don't think there's a case for defending him. He dug this grave, I guess this is what he gets.

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Having actually met and seen how the guy acts in person I can say its conflicting. Again I still like him as a voice actor. Im still going to keep all my autographs from him and videos I took. But on the creepy part Ive heard the yaoi fanart story and I mean you can not force someone to sign something. As for the hugging and all that he does do that a lot from what ive seen. But its always the thing where in the early con days before media made being a nerd mainstream (you know the days where you would get made fun of for wearing a pokemon shirt) people and stars hugged people at cons all the time. Both young and old. Ive seen the guy hug young fangirls that rushed up to him in line to glomp and hug him tight. I am sure some probably did not like the hug they got back. Never seen him kiss a fan on the lips but ive seen him kiss them on the cheeks. Ive also seen him call young fans whose friends gave them their phone number cause they could not make it to the con and say they sounded lovely and all that jazz. No idea what he said to anger whoever brought these old tales to light recently. Not defending him if he say slept with someone which from what ive read its just hugs and cheek kisses but if things were as bad as some say then go to someone right away. Not this im going to hold this card in my hand and just wait till you upset me before i really try and start going after you.  But thats just me and from what ive seen of the guy in person the last near decade.

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My issue with Vic was that hé apparantly said in An interview that Fei from Tsubasa isn't gay and that Clamp told him that.

 

1: Clamp is a group of women not one person,

2: none of the Clamp members can speak English, Vic cant speak Japanse,

3: Clamp has always been known to be a fujoshi group, ( Heck they started out making Yaoi fan comics based on Devilman and Captain Tsubasa) Clamp always have made gblt characters and themes into their stories, Clamp hinted that Fei and Kuro's relationship was speciaal and deep , its very unlikely that they would outright say 'Fei isnt gay"" and its such a weird thing to lie about as if Vic Just didn't want to face the fact hé might have voiced a gay character?

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It has been known for years he does not like yaoi. I think once he played off ed doing a sweet callout to mustang but you could tell he did not like it. Not everyone is going to be into what some fans enjoy aka fangirls and yaoi pitches many times.

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1 hour ago, Meta77 said:

It has been known for years he does not like yaoi. I think once he played off ed doing a sweet callout to mustang but you could tell he did not like it. Not everyone is going to be into what some fans enjoy aka fangirls and yaoi pitches many times.

Yeah that isnt the problem, the problem is that Vic has lied and made claims about characters sexualities and romances that simply isnt true with characters like Fei. I get the part of not wanting to sign a Yaoi fanart but But you simply dont like to people about and make false claims.

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He could do it for whatever reason i guess. I also think its cause fans want the VA to be behind whatever they voice or believe what that character does irl. I know for a 100% fact at a con i went to years ago a fan asked him why he believes in a god if he voices a character that denounces him (ed). Vic said its cause Ed is just a character. Just cause he voices someone that thinks or believes a certain thing does not mean the VA does as well. Of course the fan did not like this answer but she eventually sat down.

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5 hours ago, Meta77 said:

He could do it for whatever reason i guess. I also think its cause fans want the VA to be behind whatever they voice or believe what that character does irl. I know for a 100% fact at a con i went to years ago a fan asked him why he believes in a god if he voices a character that denounces him (ed). Vic said its cause Ed is just a character. Just cause he voices someone that thinks or believes a certain thing does not mean the VA does as well. Of course the fan did not like this answer but she eventually sat down.

Yeah but that doesn't mean its okay to lie, If Is AM not mistaken hé also claimed something about Ed's belief system that contractdicted with the character.

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2 hours ago, RedFox99 said:

What are your guys' thoughts on this whole fiasco?

I need hard proof he got into bed with someone. Ive seen him first hand kiss fans on the cheek and hug them. Now if he pulled someone into a elevator and made out with them he should be punished. But this just seems like some fans that are either in one of 2 categorys. 1. Fans that were hugged by him or called cute which they did not like. 2. friends of said friends who have no said evidence but they beleive whatever they friend tells them and color vic as a creep. A lot of fans ive talked to dislike his christian talk. He can come off sort of hard on that. But I do not know. Fans rushing up to stars and getting kissed ont the cheek and hugs and all that for years. But these days if i were a star id never touch a fan ever.

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Its cause a large segment of fans have hated vic for years. Again I am not sure if any of this holds up but they now like to puff up their chest trying to say that "see i told you he was a creep, good riddance etc etc" without having proof outside of my friend said he was a creep so i believe them. 

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I don't see anything particularly surprising about the timing. He starred in one of the most impactful films in one of the most popular franchises of all time, and this brought him to people's attention. If you knew all this stuff about him before the movie came out you could even have predicted it, it only makes sense that people would talk about him now, when they're most likely to get noticed and hopefully make a difference.

 

If you're going for the "why are they only bringing it up now" angle, there are a multitude of answers, including but not limited to:

A. They did before and nobody listened.

B. They didn't think anyone would listen.

C. They thought it might have been an isolated incident with them.

D. Sexual assault leaves scars that you don't necessarily see on a person and they may have been incapable of simply disclosing a bunch of sensitive information like that.

E. They were worried that if they did talk about it they could be attacked in return, which is what has happened to many.

 

And I'm sorry, but you don't need video fucking evidence when this many people are all calling one guy out. Women do not collectively make teams and plot to take down men by lying about being sexually assaulted en-masse to "destroy his life" (and if they did, they'd make worse accusations than this). There are dozens of people both in the dub industry and out saying they have personal experience with this man's behavior. He has been outed for this multiple times and it has always been fake tears and apologies, followed by getting right back on his bullshit a few weeks later. Anyone still "skeptical" at this point that he's done this stuff (especially after multiple apologies, aka admission) is either dumb as a fucking rock or deliberately turning a blind eye because they like this guy's voice more than they care about justice for sexual assault.

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1 hour ago, Shaddy Zaphod said:

I don't see anything particularly surprising about the timing. He starred in one of the most impactful films in one of the most popular franchises of all time, and this brought him to people's attention. If you knew all this stuff about him before the movie came out you could even have predicted it, it only makes sense that people would talk about him now, when they're most likely to get noticed and hopefully make a difference.

 

If you're going for the "why are they only bringing it up now" angle, there are a multitude of answers, including but not limited to:

A. They did before and nobody listened.

B. They didn't think anyone would listen.

C. They thought it might have been an isolated incident with them.

D. Sexual assault leaves scars that you don't necessarily see on a person and they may have been incapable of simply disclosing a bunch of sensitive information like that.

E. They were worried that if they did talk about it they could be attacked in return, which is what has happened to many.

 

And I'm sorry, but you don't need video fucking evidence when this many people are all calling one guy out. Women do not collectively make teams and plot to take down men by lying about being sexually assaulted en-masse to "destroy his life" (and if they did, they'd make worse accusations than this). There are dozens of people both in the dub industry and out saying they have personal experience with this man's behavior. He has been outed for this multiple times and it has always been fake tears and apologies, followed by getting right back on his bullshit a few weeks later. Anyone still "skeptical" at this point that he's done this stuff (especially after multiple apologies, aka admission) is either dumb as a fucking rock or deliberately turning a blind eye because they like this guy's voice more than they care about justice for sexual assault.

 

Not that I don't agree with anything you've said, but this feels a bit unfair to people who genuinely did not know about any of this. The fact remains this whole situation has turned extremely ugly and turning people against each other isn't going to help matters.

 

 

Personally speaking, I'm still mostly neutral but I do sympathize with anybody who is a genuine victim of sexual assault and hope this whole situation can be resolved soon. The lack of any action aside from cancelling Vic's roles hasn't really solved the underlying issue of all of this. So either they need to take this to a court of law, or this is all just going to blow over in a few months and he'll be right back to where he started. Something needs to be done regardless of where you stand. 

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