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Hopefully this topic goes well! Opinions are a very touchy thing but lets try and control ourselves guys.tongue.png So this topic is basically asking you what Sonic opinions do you find overrated that you disagree with. Or on the flip-side, what underrated opinions do you actually agree with?

-Personally I find Aquatic bases music to be better than most of the 06 soundtrack, only behind Kingdom valley. The stage apparently seems to be often forgotten next to Crisis city and 06. I can see why, but the music deserves to get mentioned more.

-"Silver doesn't need to die. He just needs to be written better." This isn't really a Opinion that many share in the whole fanbase. Many just write him off as a character that was bad from the start with no hope. It's not his fault at all. Blame the writers. They came up with his characterization. I can stand his design and current voice, but I will agree that he's characterized pretty badly like the rest of the cast has as of late, but that doesn't mean he'll always be crap. :/

-"The Werehog is a crap Idea" many say it, but I can't say I agree. His gameplay wasn't the worst of the alternate styles, but it was still sub-par imo. But the story throughout the game with the Werehog is what got me. I LOVE how Sonic team had Characterized the Werehog as a darker more moody "not so always happy" side of Sonic that questioned whether he was still himself. It was something new that I believe worked. We need more of that kind of characterization.

Edit:Thanks Homem. I knew there was a different word I should have used!

Edited by Riku

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- "What was wrong with Chronicles can be chalked up to Bioware being unfamiliar with the DS" Oh? So that explains ear rape music, ugly visuals, screwed characterizations and just plain bad game design and battle system?

Actually, I would say that explains the battle system.

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Actually, I would say that explains the battle system.

I'd say it was due to Bioware wanting to make use of the main gimmick of the DS itself as they did throughout the entirety of the rest of the game rather than settling for a battle system that is much less annoying to control. And that can't exactly be chalked up to inexperience with the DS, more "Bad design choice", utilizing the touchscreen just because it's there.

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Which...is pretty much down to inexperience with the system. There are many other games on the DS that suffer from the same root problem; and I can't very well say that Chronicles is any worse than, say, TWEWY or the first Scribblenauts in that particular regard. I have no doubt if they were given a second time around they would have fixed that up much like other developers on the system did.

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Didn't the last topic about this erupt in a flame war? whatever.

The new games are terribly written, lack basic story structuring elements, and waste time by trying to tell a story that's not there with heaps of exposition and forced humor. They do not accommodate for any character not named Sonic or Eggman, which not only justifies the critics hate for them being "useless" it makes Sonic look like some sort of holy Jesus avatar who can do no wrong, ironically giving him even less character despite the focus on him.

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Didn't the last topic about this erupt in a flame war? whatever.

The new games are terribly written, lack basic story structuring elements, and waste time by trying to tell a story that's not there with heaps of exposition and forced humor. They do not accommodate for any character not named Sonic or Eggman, which not only justifies the critics hate for them being "useless" it makes Sonic look like some sort of holy Jesus avatar who can do no wrong, ironically giving him even less character despite the focus on him.

inb4Soniman

Or tails.:P

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"Adventure Era Eggman is best Eggman."

Sorry, but I prefer Classic-Eggman and Unleashed-onwards-Eggman (including Rush Adventure as a sort of proto-best era). SA1 may have had the suicide missile and Egg Viper, but it also introduced the dreaded monster of the week story. Not that it's the game's own fault of course, but... And yes, he did some cool things in SA2, but the reveal of him being Shadow's tool throughout the entire game sort of dampens all of that a little.

He may have been more, *ahem*, "buffoonish" in Post-Unleashed, but at least I can be happy in knowing he's not being manipulated by anyone. Even Dark Gaia smacking him away seemed more like being in an unfortunate place, and the endgame was still his own plan anyway.

Edited by Dr. Crusher

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Another one.

- I like most characters in the series, and think that each one deserves to appear. Not necessarily in main games, but spin-offs. By that, I don't mean they should all get a game, or be playable or anything. Some cutscenes or maybe a level with them would be pretty nice. In general, I'm against the "all of Sonic's friends suck" notion.

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- "SatBK is worse than '06" I think this is really a load of crap. SatBK shows no signs of being unfinished, it's not a glitchy mess and it's story isn't convoluted and poorly written instead being the exact opposite.

I'll give you the better story, but in terms of pretty much everything else, I prefer Sonic 06. Why? Because at least the ideas that were unfinished were good ideas.

Most of them, anyway.

Edited by Natsuru Senō

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Generations Sky sanctuary really isn't that fun for me to play. I prefer most of the stages(not GH or planet wisp) over it. I mean it's gorgeous and stuff, but something about the level bores me more than the others....

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Or tails.tongue.png

He honestly doesn't do much either.

"Adventure Era Eggman is best Eggman."

Sorry, but I prefer Classic-Eggman and Unleashed-onwards-Eggman (including Rush Adventure as a sort of proto-best era). SA1 may have had the suicide missile and Egg Viper, but it also introduced the dreaded monster of the week story. Not that it's the game's own fault of course, but... And yes, he did some cool things in SA2, but the reveal of him being Shadow's tool throughout the entire game sort of dampens all of that a little.

He may have been more, *ahem*, "buffoonish" in Post-Unleashed, but at least I can be happy in knowing he's not being manipulated by anyone. Even Dark Gaia smacking him away seemed more like being in an unfortunate place, and the endgame was still his own plan anyway.

On this note:

I prefer Adventure Era Eggman. Yes, it started the dreaded "Monster of the Week betrays Eggman trend" but it's by far Eggman's best cred as a villain, his actions are by far the most threatening we've seen in the entire series, and he constantly got the jump on the heroes. The scene when he tricks Sonic & Tails with the fake emerald stands out as one of my favorite scenes in the series, Eggman borders on being a Magnificent Bastard in that game, and it was glorious.

Not that Eggman's current persona is bad, because I love how hammy, and over the top he's gotten, and he's best by far the best part of any story nowadays, but his actions just don't have much consequence anymore. Sonic hardly takes him seriously, and since he's basically the only character who matters at this point, it just makes Eggman not look like a threat. Unleashed is the closest we've seen to him matching Sonic Adventure 2 levels of badassery, but it's mitigated by two things: 1. Nobody really caring he split the earth apart, and treating it as a minor inconvience. 2. He spends the entire middle part of the game on his ass.

Now then, if you'll excuse me: *Dives into bomb shelter*

Edited by Ragna the Bloodedge

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1. Sonic '06's soundtrack isn't really that great. It may sound great in comparison to...literally everything else about the game...but I'd still call it subpar considering what we normally get out of this series.

2. Nega aside, everything from Blaze's world is pretty great. Blaze is cool, Marine is fun, and Captain Whisker and his crew were more interesting Eggman counterparts than Nega has ever been. I'll be legit disappointed if we don't see more of her world, or at least the characters.

3. The werehog was one of the better ideas the series has had. The only really bad thing is that the gameplay they gave him has no business being in this series; the concept is interesting, the design is pretty great, his abilities could have been fun (if there was more platforming and far less combat, and if the jumping, swinging, and climbing were smoother), and the story actually treated it appropriately rather than trying to make it dark and angsty.

I'll give you the better story, but in terms of pretty much everything else, I prefer Sonic 06. Why? Because at least the ideas that were unfinished were good ideas.
...like what?

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Well since you're asking for it... :/

You know you were gonna give it...

Secret Rings had a well written Sonic and a really emotional relationship between Shara and Erazor, not to mention the touching development between Sonic and Shara.Black Knight's focus is Merlina and her tragic s, not to mention the relationship between Sonic and Caliburn is really entertaining.

I won't deny this, but I was mainly referring to the mainstream games, ya know the ones that usually get the major attention.

Unleashed had a great beginning and ending, but nothing in the middle, but that was made up for the diverse hub worlds and all the colorful characters each with their own side stories that gave the world life. Plus it was also cool to see the expanded history on the Chaos Emeralds.

True, but I'm mainly talking about story here.

Sonic Colors' focus on humor was due to the angle of trying to not have a Sonic plot where the fate of existence was in the balance, it's just a Sonic/Tails story with a simple plot to stop Eggman's latest shenanigans, and having some laughs along the way, and I really appreciate it for that.

I never said the plot itself was bad, but how it was presented. I liked it for it's simplicity too, but I don't think asking for proper storytelling instead of "translator jokes" and "BBBE" is too much to ask for.

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- "SatBK is worse than '06" I think this is really a load of crap. SatBK shows no signs of being unfinished, it's not a glitchy mess and it's story isn't convoluted and poorly written instead being the exact opposite. It doesn't waste your time, it doesn't demean Sonic as a character and it's nowhere near as technically inept. Say what you want about the gameplay but to honestly call SatBK as being wholly worse than '06 ever was? ... rolleyes.gif

This is one I actually agree with. I hate Sonic and the Black Knight. It's probably my least favorite Sonic game, and one of the worst games I personally have played. Despite that, I'm able to give credit where credit is due. I think it beats '06 in almost every aspect... but I really have to say, I would rather play '06 any day. As broken and embarrassing as that game is, at least it plays like a Sonic game... for the most part. It tried to build upon the foundation that Sonic Adventure had set. It ended up being a train wreck and is unpolished as all hell, but the core gameplay somewhat felt like Sonic at the time. Black Knight? You hold forward the entire time and wag the Wii remote. I'm sorry, but that's not fun in the slightest. It's just mindless garbage in my opinion. Black Knight is definitely a more polished game, and like I said, it beats '06 in almost every aspect, but it falls short in the biggest category for me, and that's the gameplay. Seriously, I think it's horrendous. I played two or three levels of Black Knight and couldn't finish it. Under normal circumstances, that may seem like it's unfair to judge it, as I'm not "giving it a chance"... but my main gripe was with the core gameplay. Just by playing one level, you can get the idea of what the game is, and I couldn't stand it.

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