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Archie Sonic has better characterization and stories.

Sonic team needs to stop playing it safe now

SEGA needs to spend more time on their games and forget about dead lines.

Shth is pretty decent and it's tone is so ridiculously different it's great.

Sonic Adventure is fun if you can put up with the bugs.

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- I prefered the Werehog to day levels. Hold your guns. I liked how it had a lot of platforming, and I enjoyed the pace, and the fighting was fun (PS2 version).

There, now you can shoot me.

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I don't find Eggman's mincemeat line from SA1 all that scary. I can accept that it could be scary from Tails point of view, but I merely chuckled first time I heard it.

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A very unpopular opinion I hold: Sonic 06 theoretically did alternate characters the best, keeping everyone squarely within the platforming genre with the goal of "get to the end" but nonetheless widening the scope of how a character can be unique onto themselves by varying movement speed, physical abilities, powers, short-term goals, and in-level gimmicks to take advantage of, in turn giving the player more incentive to use them without completely straying into another genre outright. It's a shame that this game had to be the one to try it, because nothing from Sonic 06 will ever be revisited again due to the whole package being ridiculously terrible. Fuck my life.

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Unpopular Opinion:

The Werehog is better than Classic Sonic from Generations because his gameplay is less boring as you get more abilities, and he is better integrated into the plot of Unleashed than Classic Sonic is to the plot of Generations.

I believe you can refer to this post for a lengthier description:

I will not deny that Classic Sonic is probably the better one when it comes to being Sonic-like in terms of gameplay and level design. I won't deny that the Werehog could be kinda sluggish in the first few levels due to a lack of abilities and the level design and enemy placement forcing you to take anywhere from 8 to 20 minutes to complete the stage, assuming you knew some minor shortcuts here and there.

But if there is some things that I feel the Werehog had over Classic Sonic, it's that:

  1. His gameplay gets better the more abilities you unlock.
  2. His relevance to the story of the game is more consistent.

1) As you level up Werehog, you gain more abilities, which not only makes fights shorter, but also means you have more means of disposing your enemies, and thus makes the gameplay far more enjoyable. So while his gameplay could have made a better first impression, I feel his later state when he has more abilities makes up for the late start.

Classic Sonic...well, to be honest, his gameplay isn't bad per-say, but for me, it isn't all that exciting from beginning to end. Most of the time when I am playing as Classic Sonic, I don't feel any desire to go explore a little bit, or even attempt things that could speed up my progress. I just spam the spindash whenever it seems most convenient and tried to get it over with so I could get to the more exciting Modern stages. It also doesn't help that I generally didn't care all that much for his extra power-ups, mostly because I could only use one at a time.

If I had to be frank though, I think it's simply because I'm not much of a fan of 2-D Sonic gameplay, regardless of whether it came from the Classic Era or not.

2) I can say this for sure: Unleashed's story was better in nearly every aspect compared to Generations. It is true that both stories have a problem in that they sort of drop off a cliff around the middle stages, but at least Unleashed managed to pick up before the end of the game, leading to a fairly satisfactory finale (even though the final stage and bosses were a PITA). Generations...was lost potential in general.

What really makes me like the Werehog over Classic Sonic in the story department however, is the fact that the Werehog generally FEELS relevant throughout the entire plot, even if his conclusion could have been better. Classic Sonic, for lack of a better way to describe it, feels like he was just tacked on for the Classic Stages, and then his relevance as a character fell off a cliff after the Death Egg Robot fight, and IMO, did not successfully recover even at the end.

Maybe it's just because I have a hard time feeling any empathy towards him because he doesn't really exude that much personality, even with his rather funny miming and gestures. It also doesn't help that these moments are few and far in between, leading me to care about him about as much as I cared for Yacker in Colors.

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I hate Endless Possibilities.

The lyrics are a bit ridiculous. They are insinuating that Sonic feels 'free' and sees the 'endless possibilities' because he turned into a fluffy beast? Tshh. I do like it when it's mixed with orchestra at Phase 2 of Dark Gaia, at least I think it's Phase 2.

A very unpopular opinion I hold: Sonic 06 theoretically did alternate characters the best, keeping everyone squarely within the platforming genre with the goal of "get to the end" but nonetheless widening the scope of how a character can be unique onto themselves by varying movement speed, physical abilities, powers, short-term goals, and in-level gimmicks to take advantage of, in turn giving the player more incentive to use them without completely straying into another genre outright. It's a shame that this game had to be the one to try it, because nothing from Sonic 06 will ever be revisited again due to the whole package being ridiculously terrible. Fuck my life.

Fair do's, honestly! I'd say they did try to attempt something good, but they tried to do up to 20 different types of play styles if I've counted right. They tried to take on too much in such a short space of time on a system they never really understood fully like their own consoles.

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Dark Sonic games usually aren't mature. They end up more childish and immature than any light hearted Sonic game.

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Dark Sonic games usually aren't mature. They end up more childish and immature than any light hearted Sonic game.

Blame the terrible execution of said ideas, not the idea itself.

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Twenty different styles is quite the exaggeration. As far as I remember, the Amigos pretty much play nearly identical to one another sans some basic abilities not really elaborated on: classic style basically, and in general they're not completely divorced from the way the main three characters play. Sonic 06 is has a consistent play style for the most part, but they're not afraid of significantly differentiating the characters or throwing in unique gimmicks for them to do. It was very interesting, but again I'm not holding my breath for them to ever attempt it again. A shame.

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Twenty different styles is quite the exaggeration. As far as I remember, the Amigos pretty much play nearly identical to one another sans some basic abilities not really elaborated on: classic style basically, and in general they're not completely divorced from the way the main three characters play. Sonic 06 is has a consistent play style for the most part, but they're not afraid of significantly differentiating the characters or throwing in unique gimmicks for them to do. It was very interesting, but again I'm not holding my breath for them to ever attempt it again. A shame.

To be fair, you still had the anomaly in Shadow & Silver.

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Unpopular opinion - Whilst the Archie series as it is today is better-off than it ever was before due to better writing, it's still not as good as it's often proclaimed to be. WTF are these all about?

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Subject number one i.e the one on the left. Why the hell is Sonic even entertaining the thought of giving up? I don't like Fleetway Sonic but even when Robotnik gained virtual omnipotence in that continuity by absoring vast amounts of Chaos Energy, Sonic outright stated that he would never give up despite the fact that Robotnik was holding all of the aces bar none and far outmatched him. Shall we also bring up Game Sonic, whose very theme song lyrics include the line "I will never give up the fight" and during one game, had his very life on the line yet was determined to endure? This trait is a defining and eternal part of Sonic's character, a thing that is consistent amongst all Sonic continuities. This is not a realistic turn of characterization for Archie Sonic and does not make him more realistic.

Subject number two i.e the one on the right. Why is Sonic so self-entitled and so loyal to those in the wrong i.e Sally and her family that he's even willing to go against Tails and is so up his own arse that he honestly believes that because Tails "Worships" him, it's ok to go against his father for rightfully questioning the royal family's authority? In all continuities bar Fleetway, Tails is Sonic's brother, his right hand (Except in SatAM), inarguably his closest friend. Here, Sonic is so flippant about how much Tails' long lost family means to him by stating that he grew up with him that it is completely unbelievable and makes him out to be a stuck-up self-entitled twat. The fact that he apologizes for it isn't relevant.

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Remember one i.e the one on the left. Why the hell is Sonic even entertaining the thought of giving up? I don't like Fleetway Sonic but even when Robotnik gained virtual omnipotence in that continuity by absoring vast amounts of Chaos Energy, Sonic outright stated that he would never give up despite the fact that Robotnik was holding all of the aces bar none and far outmatched him. Shall we also bring up Game Sonic, whose very theme song lyrics include the line "I will never give up the fight" and during one game, had his very life on the line yet was determined to endure? This trait is a defining and eternal part of Sonic's character, a thing that is consistent amongst all Sonic continuities. This is not a realistic turn of characterization for Archie Sonic and does not make him more realistic.

Ok, I'm going to tackle this one, but that image is from Anti-Archie, and they tend to be stupid; Sonic wasn't "giving up" anything, because in the very next panel he reassures Tails & Amy he's going to fight. He was merely stating a fact, Eggman did beat him, and the Freedom FIghters were effectively dead. Sonic wasn't lying down to die, he was acknowledging how bad their situation was.

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Ok, I'm going to tackle this one, but that image is from Anti-Archie, and they tend to be stupid; Sonic wasn't "giving up" anything, because in the very next panel he reassures Tails & Amy he's going to fight. He was merely stating a fact, Eggman did beat him, and the Freedom FIghters were effectively dead. Sonic wasn't lying down to die, he was acknowledging how bad their situation was.

Pretty much agree here, I personally don't see a problem with Sonic acting someone defeated considering all the shit that's happened to him at that point, and it's even more so when he gets right back on his feet and is ready to take on Eggman again.

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Ok, I'm going to tackle this one, but that image is from Anti-Archie, and they tend to be stupid; Sonic wasn't "giving up" anything, because in the very next panel he reassures Tails & Amy he's going to fight. He was merely stating a fact, Eggman did beat him, and the Freedom FIghters were effectively dead. Sonic wasn't lying down to die, he was acknowledging how bad their situation was.

Don't get me wrong, Anti-Archie on DA has become a bunch of fanbratty idiots. It's the reason why I rescinded my membership of it and am actually ashamed to have ever been a part of it despite the fact that it made very credible, salient points when it first started up.

Sonic there is basically doing an Aberforth Dumbledore; Wallowing in 'defeat' then getting his ass in gear when Amy speaks some 'sense' into him. But the fact that he's doing that to start with?....No.

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Don't get me wrong, Anti-Archie on DA has become a bunch of fanbratty idiots. It's the reason why I rescinded my membership of it and am actually ashamed to have ever been a part of it despite the fact that it made very credible, salient points when it first started up.

Sonic there is basically doing an Aberforth Dumbledore; Wallowing in 'defeat' then getting his ass in gear when Amy speaks some 'sense' into him. But the fact that he's doing that to start with?....No.

Once again, I'm not seeing a problem with it, especially when he bounces back as you said. It's a brief exchange, and it show just how bad things are.

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I don't see occasional moments of kindness (or, at least, restraint to his cruelty) as detrimental to Eggman's villain cred, like many fans do. I think character development and humanization - as long as it's balanced out with consistent evil-doing - can round out the doctor's character without totally turning him into a full-on good guy. In my opinion, Sega's doing fine at this, especially recently.

Never cared for SatAM at all. It's one of the least interesting Sonic continuities - rivaled only by Sonic Underground - in my opinion. Present-day Archie is basically SatAM done right, in that it - despite having a darker storyline than the games - still has the stylistic flair of its Sega counterpart; In particular, Archie Eggman has all of his game counterpart's whimsy, with all of his Saturday morning cartoon counterpart's cruelty, creating a delightfully funny yet twisted middleground of Eggman portrayals.

I like humans in the games, and not just the ones named Dr. Eggman. Professor Pickle in particular was a great human ally who didn't feel forced or contrived at all. In fact, most of the characters in Unleashed felt right for a Sonic game. It was like doing everything correctly that 2K6 did wrong.

I liked the hunting and mech-shooting levels.

I like Big the Cat.

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Okay, I'm going to say this right now; that pic on the bottom? How was the design allowed to be THAT ugly?

Because Ron Lim.

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It sometimes makes me want to look up Archie Sonic...only to turn me away again with the crap art and silly stories.

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I was losing my faith in the fanbase... in a manner that I was starting that my perception of the characters is wrong and the fanbase is indeed right with their crazy derailments...

I thought people only do that because they didn't understand canon and if they were professional writers they wouldn't do that kind of thing...

untill I crossed with THIS in Tv Tropes:

Rule34 — Creator Reactions

There is a (while not porn, not work safe) Sonic the Hedgehog anthropomorphic Gender Bender doujin written by Koshi Rikudo.

my reaction?

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I GIVE UP.

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