Pokemon X & Y (October 2013 on 3DS) - [Now out! Go out and play it already]

[Solkia]

The fact that nearly all of them are 4x weak to Ice isn't enough?

 

Making a type immune to them isn't nerfing them. It's just an annoying speedbump. Dragons can still abuse their ridiculous stats without needing STAB. They're still OP.

[Soniman]

Id rather we wait to see how they play out in the game proper before already accepting that they're still OP

[SenEDDtor Missile]

What the hell?

 

90% of Dragon moves and pokemon are useless to begin with

Yeah, but the few that aren't benefit from having a type that is super effective against themselves, and can hit neutral against nearly every other type except Steel, AND are pretty heavily distributed so that every Dragon type can at least learn one of them. I'd say that makes them pretty deadly compared to most other offensive moves.

[Solkia]

Id rather we wait to see how they play out in the game proper before already accepting that they're still OP

 

Unless they nerf the stats of the head honchos, they're still OP. They'll always be OP until that happens.

 

And considering their solution to Blaziken's slower speed than Infernape was fucking Speed Boost, the thought that Game Freak can even do that much is laughable.

[Sami]

The fact that nearly all of them are 4x weak to Ice isn't enough?

 

Making a type immune to them isn't nerfing them. It's just an annoying speedbump. Dragons can still abuse their ridiculous stats without needing STAB. They're still OP.

 

A speedbump is very much effective when dealing with Choice Band Outrage or whatever the hell else Garchomp is effortlessly wrecking your shit.

[Tori Himemiya]

Is this their solution to Hydreigon? Make a type that can take him down in one shot like Ice can to a majority of Dragon-types?

Its either from my personal experience or something but Hyderigon isn't that great. Something I don't wanna to admit.

In theory its higher Special Attack is great and having Draco Meteor is good but I dunno. Its most likely because it has an ok movepool and it stats don't seem too great.

Edited September 13, 2013 by Joseph Joestar

[Solkia]

I wouldn't know personally, but I keep hearing how Hydreigon's a really tough nut to crack.

 

*shrug*

[LATER BUDDY]

Was wondering, are there any old Pokemon that are suddenly gonna rise up because of these type modifications? On the same note I hope there's quite a bunch of new moves added and potentially updated moves learned through level up to older Pokemon as well.

[Candescence]

The only type change I'm actually upset by is Steel's nerf. Lost its Psychic and Dark resistance? ... Why?

To be fair, Steel actually gained a type advantage against Fairy-type both offensively and defensively, and Dark type got a disadvantage against Fairy as well. So Steel traded one advantage for another, gave its advantage over Dark to Fairy, and Ghost merely does normal damage to Steel.

 

Edit: And, by the way, Steel's psychic resistance wasn't lost, it was the ghost-type resistance that it dropped. Makes sense, considering ghosts can pass through steel like everything else.

Edited September 13, 2013 by Shirou Emiya

[WarioBone]

I hope Gardevoir becomes relevant.  She and her male counterpart (shut the fuck up all Gardevoir should be female you fucking faggot) got their time in the sun during their gen, then fell out of favor with the coming of newer Pokemon.

 

The Ralts line is WAY too fucking cool to get left in the dust.  Here's hoping one or both of them get a Mega, and both'll get some buffs.

 

EDIT: I'm pretty sure Steel lost its Ghost and Dark resistances.  Psychic is unchanged.

Edited September 13, 2013 by NOPE

[Octarine]

Was wondering, are there any old Pokemon that are suddenly gonna rise up because of these type modifications? On the same note I hope there's quite a bunch of new moves added and potentially updated moves learned through level up to older Pokemon as well.

 

I was going to suggest Azumarill as some kind of surprise Dragon-killer if there's a good enough Fairy-type physical attack, but then I checked and Jesus Christ it only has 50 attack before Huge Power what

 

 

(shut the fuck up all Gardevoir should be female you fucking faggot)

 

Did you have a bad porn experience recently or something?

Edited September 13, 2013 by Octarine

[Candescence]

I hope Gardevoir becomes relevant.  She and her male counterpart (shut the fuck up all Gardevoir should be female you fucking faggot) got their time in the sun during their gen, then fell out of favor with the coming of newer Pokemon.

 

The Ralts line is WAY too fucking cool to get left in the dust.  Here's hoping one or both of them get a Mega, and both'll get some buffs.

Gardevoir gained a Fairy type, and considering one of the old mons to gain a Fairy type, Mawile, also got a Mega evolution, well, who knows. I hope so, anyway.

Edited September 13, 2013 by Shirou Emiya

[Semi-colon e]

I was going to suggest Azumarill as some kind of surprise Dragon-killer if there's a good enough Fairy-type physical attack, but then I checked and Jesus Christ it only has 50 attack before Huge Power what

 

Yeah but you should only be using Huge Power anyway. And it still can have Ice Punch too.

 

Also Gardevoir seems like it'll be pretty good thanks to the Fairy type now, but both it and Gallade suffer from average speed and shitty physical defense :/

 

I feel like there aren't that many interesting Fairy types yet, from the new stuff we've seen. All just generic pink stuff, whereas the interesting stuff is the stuff that gained the type, like Azumarill and Gardevoir.

Edited September 13, 2013 by Semi-colon e

[Octarine]

No, I mean... it has Huge Power, and even after that its attack's still only 100. That's pretty embarrassing.

[Semi-colon e]

No, I mean... it has Huge Power, and even after that its attack's still only 100. That's pretty embarrassing.

 

That's not the way it works. It doubles the actual stat, so it has an effective 400+ attack at max EVs and max IVs, so it's the equivalent of a lot more than base 100. Medicham's Pure Power works the same way. The stats are kind of screwy and base 100 attack isn't exactly double base 50 attack even though it would make sense for them to be, I assume it's the way the stats scale during level up and stuff.

Edited September 13, 2013 by Semi-colon e

[Mega]

She and her male counterpart (shut the fuck up all Gardevoir should be female you fucking faggot) got their time in the sun during their gen, then fell out of favor with the coming of newer Pokemon.

Actually, Gardevoir is modeled after a magical boy knight, hence the Japanese name Sirknight. It looks a bit effeminate due to the hair and the cape, but I'd argue it's more androgynous. Considering Pokémon is a Japanese franchise and Japanese media is notorious for effeminate males, this comes as no surprise to me.

Besides, there are female Conkeldurrs. Isn't that more jarring?

[Octarine]

I was oversimplifying (and I forgot exactly how Huge Power worked but shh), but Azumarill's still got 10 less base attack and 30 less base speed than Medicham. I could've sworn it was only slightly worse.

 

...I'm not really sure what you could even do for a Fairy-type big-damage physical attack. There was a rumour that Swirlix evolves into some kind of yeti thing, so maybe a bigfoot stomp? I guess you could extend the definition of Fairy to cryptids in general or something.

[Mega]

You know what would be awesome, though? A Grass/Fire type based on peppers. I'm honestly surprised it hasn't been done yet because we now have Bug/Fire as a typo combo.

[Octarine]

I've still got my fingers crossed for Mega Torkoal to be a Fire/Water type.

[SenEDDtor Missile]

Actually, Gardevoir is modeled after a magical boy knight, hence the Japanese name Sirknight. It looks a bit effeminate due to the hair and the cape, but I'd argue it's more androgynous. Considering Pokémon is a Japanese franchise and Japanese media is notorious for effeminate males, this comes as no surprise to me.

Meh. Still looks like a chick to me.

[Sean]

I like how the only reason people think Gardevoir should be female is because it looks female. Gender stereotyping, ho!

[Solkia]

Well

 

That and Galade is a thing.

[Sean]

Galade is a male-only counterpart but that doesn't mean Gardevoir should be considered a female-only variant since it has a 50/50 chance of being either gender.

[Solkia]

I know, I'm just saying I imagine reasons go beyond "It wears a dress"

 

It looks more graceful than the first 2 forms, so I can see why people think it looks feminine.

[Kuzu]

And ya know...Internet, can't ruin the Otaku's fap fantasies.