Official Sonic 2006 topic

[Tenko]

I don't really get the inclusion of other humans in the Sonic games. Sure we assume there are otthers cause otherwise where did Eggman come from. But they do tend to stand out no matter how they are done. Except for Eggman because people are used to him, he's been there from the beginning, plus he's the main antagonist, he's spose to stand out.

Their inclusion in Adventure was kinda odd, I get they wanted "living areas" but they really served no purpose aside from giving you hints about where to go next or useless text. You can play the entire game and ignore them.

Adventure 2 furthered the whole thing with G.U.N, a military organization that has robots that Sonic smashes (wasn't this Eggmans job?), convoluted stuff with the president and the whole Maria and Gerald thing which was weird having come off Adventure and that from the classics.

Then again in '06, and Unleashed with the humans. They served a purpose at least with shops and junk but still. How did it go from saving the animals and Sonic's woodland pals from being turned into robots etc into saving humans and country's and to hell with the animals...in fact where are they? Not in the bots anymore.

Colours and Generations were the closest 3D games in my opinion to the original concept. Sonic vs Eggman and his robots/creations and his short sighted plans for domination. No extra humans, no forced "edgy" but ultimately crap story telling, no monster of the week lets take the spotlight away from the main villian of the series. Just plain simple fun. Seems a lot of the critics agree too. I hope it keeps heading in the direction its going.

[Komodin]

Hehe, funny to hear it. I know this game more than anyone on this forum, believe me.

 

Okay, educate us "hater morons," then. Showcase your knowledge of the game.

[KHCast]

Hehe, funny to hear it. I know this game more than anyone on this forum, believe me.

.....Again, saying you know the game, and then decide not to share your "knowledge" isn't making me believe you any more than before. Share your reasons, if you believe so strongly your right.

[Semi-colon e]

I not ignore. After Adventure era all change. Series has become stronger.

 

I don't agree. Additionally, just because the style changed a bit it doesn't mean the originals should be ignored, especially as they're still the most popular games and the ones that started the whole series off! Your logic baffles me.

 

This no longer has anything to do with 06, so I'll leave this now.

Edited April 15, 2013 by Semi-colon e

[Wraith]

I not ignore. After Adventure era all change. Series has become stronger.

 

The style at that point was changing from game to game. 

 

 

Sonic Heroes takes on a cartoony style, for example.

[Mefiresu]

.....Again, saying you know the game, and then decide not to share your "knowledge" isn't making me believe you any more than before. Share your reasons, if you believe so strongly your right.

I would love to do it if it's not my language barrier. If you wanna i can try say reasons on PM.

Okay, educate us "hater morons," then. Showcase your knowledge of the game.

I don't say what i "hater morons". I just hate what Sonic lost his charm for adult audiences.

The style at that point was changing from game to game. 

 

 

Sonic Heroes takes on a cartoony style, for example.

And the story like a log. Edited April 15, 2013 by Mefiresu

[Mauro Fonseca]

I argue opposite, charm for adult audiences was recovered by in Unleashed and forwards. Adult audiences donut see charm in blue hedgehog pretending maturity.

[Vertekins]

I just hate what Sonic lost his charm for adult audiences.

 

I'm 25 years old going on 26 i.e a part of the adult audience for Sonic. He hasn't lost his charm to me. The art direction in the games sans '06 is very charming to me actually as is characterizations, story and fast 3D gameplay in games that are not SONIC '06, Chronicles and Shadow.

[Wraith]

I don't say what i "hater morons". I just hate what Sonic lost his charm for adult audiences.

And this is where you're wrong. There are 3 games at the most with this "adult" style. The more cartoony styled games outnumber them. 

 

Not to mention adults don't find crap like 06 charming. 13 year old boys do.

Edited April 15, 2013 by Wraith

[KHCast]

I would love to do it if it's not my language barrier. If you wanna i can try say reasons on PM.I don't say what i "hater morons". I just hate what Sonic lost his charm for adult audiences.

WHEN was Sonic's target audience for adults? When? His demographic is the same as Mario's,Kirbys, rayman,megamans,etc. The series Tried to be more edgy, and mainstream. We got Shadow the hedgehog and 06. Is that what you expect the series to have?

Edited April 15, 2013 by Hedgehogs Boost

[SIXTH-RATE SOMA]

And on a grander scale, you do realize that the other games in the series being great or crap doesn't really have much bearing on whether or not 06 sucks?

Edited April 15, 2013 by Sixth-Rate Soma

[sonfan1984]

Sonic is suppose to be target audience for everyone. Alot of us grew up with Sonic when we are kids.

[Komodin]

I don't say what i "hater morons". I just hate what Sonic lost his charm for adult audiences.And the story like a log.

 

1) What charm? All of the games that showed such an "adult" theme was (and still are) actively mocked nowadays.

 

2) Even in the Adventure era, the primary demographic of the series was young children; in fact, it's always been that way.

[Tenko]

.I don't say what i "hater morons". I just hate what Sonic lost his charm for adult audiences.

Sonic was never and is still not intended for adult audiences. It is at heart a kids game. Even the Adventure and '06 games were not meant for adults. And professional reviews are done by adults, and 99.9% of them hated '06, they also have said on reviews of the HD Adventure games that they don't stand the test of time like the classics.

So how has he lost his charm if Sonic Team are doing what they are doing to fix the negative critique? If he ever "lost" his charm, it was during the late/post Adventure-'06 era.

[Mefiresu]

WHEN was Sonic's target audience for adults? When? His demographic is the same as Mario's,Kirbys, rayman,megamans,etc. The series Tried to be more edgy, and mainstream. We got Shadow the hedgehog and 06. Is that what you expect the series to have?

If i say yes. I like Shth the game not bad, dark but not bad.

1) What charm? All of the games that showed such an "adult" theme was (and still are) actively mocked nowadays.

2) Even in the Adventure era, the primary demographic of the series was young children; in fact, it's always been that way.

Adventure era contains not a children's tones. Like as genocide. Or the same Pachacamac thirst for power. Edited April 15, 2013 by Mefiresu

[CrownSlayers Shadow]

Okay, everyone STAHP!

 

Let's get this shit out of the way here. Sonic being a cartoon is absolutely no excuse for him not to take on darker and more serious elements in it's plots. Many of us here past the age of 18 or so (if not even lower than that) grew up in an era where we had Disney animations with some of the most brilliantly done mood whiplash we've ever experienced that not a lot could compare to this day; it says a lot when animations like Lion King can be as lighthearted before showing a king get murdered before our eyes, or Bambi enjoying his youth before his mother gets shot dead by a hunter. Kung Fu Panda 2 had straight up genocide and on-screen murder unlike the two mentioned above, and that was a bunch of cartoon animals. And don't get me started on HunchBack of Notre Dame.

 

Sonic isn't Splinter Cell, Final Fantasy, or Metal Gear Solid, true, but there is nothing that should prevent Sonic from tackling on much more heavier plot elements like the other animated works above. We pulled it off in SA1, we pulled it off in SA2, and we can pull it off again if they would stop being afraid and grow some balls.

 

However...

 

THAT DOES NOT MEAN that Sonic is an adult product. THAT DOES NOT MEAN that Sonic should never do cartoony. THAT DOES NOT MEAN that adults should be the only ones to enjoy it, or any variation there off. It's all fine and dandy that you can pull of some dark stuff in a cartoon series, but to tell anyone that a series with a talking, blue, 3-foot tall, anthropormophic superfast hedgehog and a bunch of animals colored after the rainbow is something that is geared for adults and isn't cartoony or something that should become something it wasn't made for (much less developed with ANY tact like what Sonic 06 failed to have), means you've clearly lost touch with what this series is.

 

This is a cartoony series, whether you like it or not.

Edited April 15, 2013 by ChaosSupremeSonîc

[Mauro Fonseca]

Shth the game bad. Bad camera and controls and graphics. Not good game.

Adventure era contain genocide. Sonic Colours contain genocide. Sonic Generations contain erasure of existance. Sonic Unleashed contain despair and destruction of planet by doomsday device. Not children's tones. Unless speaken in a way for children.

[Tenko]

And the story like a log.Adventure era contains not a children's tones. Like as genocide.

Let's not forget the all the Sonic games with next to no story to speak of always get better ratings than the ones that do.

And from memory the entire classic Saga was about Eggman building a space station that would turn EVERY animal into a robot. Last I checked turning an entire planet of living breathing creatures into soulless robots is pretty much genocide. Plus one of the zones was originally going to be called Genocide City Zone.

[CrownSlayers Shadow]

Let's not forget the all the Sonic games with next to no story to speak of always get better ratings than the ones that do.

 

Let's not forget that the ones with stories that get poorer ratings tend to have poor as shit plots like ShTH and Sonic 06. SA1 and SA2 still hold charm to many people, primarily for nostalgia, but nostalgia is a hell of a drug.

[Dr. Crusher]

Hell, even the simple premise of putting animals in Badniks can be pretty nasty when you think too hard about it.

 

There's always been sinister stuff. 06 just drops everything else in favor of nothing but that.

Edited April 15, 2013 by Dr. Crusher

[Mefiresu]

Shth the game bad. Bad camera and controls and graphics. Not good game.

Adventure era contain genocide. Sonic Colours contain genocide. Sonic Generations contain erasure of existance. Sonic Unleashed contain despair and destruction of planet by doomsday device. Not children's tones. Unless speaken in a way for children.

Graphics? Ha. It is even better than the same Sonic Generations whit texures size less than 256х256.

Sonic Colours show how have fun in the space park. No empathy for Whisp.

Sonic Generations contain how eat chilidog through space and time.

[Tenko]

Oh I agree that it can be done in Sonic's universe. SatAM did a great job at broody and dark at times with real consequences etc, like the Doomsday Saga, but the games are yet to reach that kind of story telling without it coming off as weird, odd or downright silly.

[CrownSlayers Shadow]

Something else to be noted, I love how people treat the term "Adult" as if it was some sign of greatness and high esteem instead of a restriction for what is and isn't appropriate for a certain audience. It's like watching something made for adults makes you feel like an adult.

 

Well here's a reality check: that's not how it works.

[Diogenes]

I just hate what Sonic lost his charm for adult audiences.

'06 is a game designed for children who think they are adults.

[Mefiresu]

Let's get this shit out of the way here. Sonic being a cartoon is absolutely no excuse for him not to take on darker and more serious elements in it's plots. Many of us here past the age of 18 or so (if not even lower than that) grew up in an era where we had Disney animations with some of the most brilliantly done mood whiplash we've ever experienced that not a lot could compare to this day; it says a lot when animations like Lion

You grew up on Disnay? Lucky. I personally on Guyver.