Sonic Lost World Announced

[C4k3]

You mean the gadget that he couldn't get to work properly until after Sonic saved the day? Yeah, really useful, indeed.

 

Ah, that reminds me. The Wisps can be fully understood from the start of the game now that it's fixed. So hopefully this means no silly translator jokes.

[Kuzu]

*comes back from reading the latest comments on this cut scene from various news outlets/forums talking about it... and rapidly blinks*

 

So aparently Tails fans are not too happy about this scene... complaints include.

 

* Tails looks weak.

* Tails wouldn't act like this

* All character development from Sonic Adventure was thrown out of the window.

* Tails has become a damsel in distress.

* Fuck you, you made Tails a wimp.

 

There are literally tons of people complaining about this... like... what the hell!? Is this a serious thing? Whats wrong with Tails in that? A barrage of badniks starts to shoot and he takes cover behind a wall, the wall explodes and knocks him to the ground, Sonic runs over and saves him... this is aparently generating tons of complaints?

 

Well this has been happening since Unleashed, so I think its just a culmination of everything. Even if nobody feels its a big deal, there was never a time when Tails would actively shy out of a fight. Sure, he'd leave the heavy hitting to Sonic, but he'd fight when the going got rough.

 

Can't really blame people for calling him out on his apparent cowardice.

[Celestia]

What was the context of him saying that? Everyone seems to be very positive about the story after that cutscene was shown.................what prompted him to say this?

Apparently, people complaining about Eggman seeming "pathetic". You know, because he's supposed to be able to anticipate something like his own badniks being turned against him. Or something.

 

It annoys me when people expect characters to adapt and respond to a problem instantaneously even when it wouldn't make any sense. Yes Eggman's a genius, but he's still a human being who was just stripped away of his main advantage in his universe (his robots).

[Amomynous]

Excuse me, but may I ask why there's so much  "Eggman's a joke." and "Eggman's gonna suck." in this thread?

[Chaos Warp]

Excuse me, but may I ask why there's so much  "Eggman's a joke." and "Eggman's gonna suck." in this thread?

There's not actually that much from what I can see...........

[sonfan1984]

* Tails looks weak.

* Tails wouldn't act like this

* All character development from Sonic Adventure was thrown out of the window.

* Tails has become a damsel in distress.

* Fuck you, you made Tails a wimp.

 

And it took them since Sonic Heroes to finally realize this? Tails went from sticking up to Eggman and trying to prove himself as a character in the Adventure series and went back to being a independent sidekick in Heroes and standing in the sidelines after Sonic 06. So really no huge suprise here at all.

Edited August 8, 2013 by sonfan1984

[Cyrus]

Excuse me, but may I ask why there's so much  "Eggman's a joke." and "Eggman's gonna suck." in this thread?

 

Because Eggman got attacked by demon aliens and ran away. As if Eggman's never been attacked by or fled from danger. *couch*Sonic1Sonic2Sonic3SonicHeroesShadow the HedgehogSonic 4*cough*

Edited August 7, 2013 by Auto

[Badnik Mechanic]

Why isn't Tails fighting with Sonic?

 

Because theres no time to react to whats going on?

 

That cut scene is obviously near the end of it. Based on what happens, the 6 take over Eggmans badniks... they then open fire on Eggman and Sonic.

 

Eggman. Orbot and Cubot have no time to react,

 

Sonic is only able to take out a few badniks and is seen dodging the rest.

 

Tails takes cover which is blown up.

 

Whats the problem?

[Kuzu]

Actually, Aaron just posted that there is a reason Tails wasn't participating in the fight that wasn't shown in the cutscene. Now granted I'm taking this with a grain of salt, but I'll take back my earlier statements for now.l

[Pawn]

And it took them since SA2 to finally realize this?

 

He was still fighting alongside Sonic until Unleashed, but that's besides the point. It doesn't have to a brand new 'issue' for it to bother people.

 

 

Actually, Aaron just posted that there is a reason Tails wasn't participating in the fight that wasn't shown in the cutscene. Now granted I'm taking this with a grain of salt, but I'll take back my earlier statements for now.l

 

Fair enough.

Edited August 7, 2013 by Pawn

[Space☆Tomoki]

I'm not really bothered by Tails in the cutscene, since it looks like shit's actually hitting the fan and Sonic, Eggman and co. don't have much time to react to all the shit that's going down.

 

EDIT: Also what Hogfather and Azure Yakuzu said.

Edited August 7, 2013 by Tomoki

[StrgAltEntf]

There were people outside of SSMB freaking out over the game's "darker" dialogue, so that's probably why. Don't see what the big deal is, to be honest.

It seems like it's only the english version that is that "dark".

The german dialog is just: You are wasting my time, Sonic. And I hate waste.

The spanish dialog is actually the same.. Just without mentioning Sonic.

Even thought I don't understand japanese, it looks like they have another dialogue as well.

 

What if the european dialog is just translated from the japanese Version and the english one is the exception? hmm.. :3

[Jetronic]

A lot of people are also missing the fact that the entire thing was an ambush. The deadly six were on Eggman's side and then mind controlled his entire army and rapid fired at everyone.

 

Hell, some people said this make's Eggman look like a clown even though he's been a clown since his debut.

[Space☆Tomoki]

It seems like it's only the english version that is that "dark".

The german dialog is just: You are wasting my time, Sonic. And I hate waste.

The spanish dialog is actually the same.. Just without mentioning Sonic.

Even thought I don't understand japanese, it looks like they have another dialogue as well.

 

What if the european dialog is just translated from the japanese Version and the english one is the exception? hmm.. :3

As I posted before, he says something like "You're already dead. I'm gonna enjoy killing you nice and slow." in Japanese.

[StrgAltEntf]

As I posted before, he says something like "You're already dead. I'm gonna enjoy killing you nice and slow." in Japanese.

Oh! Thank you! ^^

Then it's a european version all together. What is wrong? 

Why all this "censorship" in the european version?.. That's weird.

[Tani Coyote]

I'm going to bandwagon on the Tails comment... the common reaction to a sudden assault is to take cover rather than charge into it. Then you regain your bearings, and THEN you fight.

It's a theme in military strategy - the reason a weaker insurgency can best an actual military is it holds the initiative; the attacker always does. The Six caught everyone with their pants down (I'm guessing the Six were acting as obedient slaves prior to this), and none of those involved (besides Sonic of course) were prepared for the sudden Charlie Foxtrot situation. Given a few moments to regain a sense of location Tails probably would have ended up jumping back in... though Aaron Webber's comments are really making me wonder what else is at play here.

Hurry up October, you massive tease.

[Blitz 'n Burst]

SEGA treating Tails as a support guy who never does any actual fighting himself makes me worry taht we're never going to get a playable Tails again because he'll just be standing at the sidelines.

[Dantemustdie00]

I never really pictured Tails to be a man of action that much anyway, well game-wise that is (unless he's in his plane or some kind of machine, or in Adventure's case if the situation calls for him to take action and Sonic is somewhere else), Archie comics however is a different story.

 

 

Looks like we need a Year of Tails now.

Edited August 8, 2013 by Dantemustdie00

[Indigo Rush]

Something I noticed about the cutscene.

 

Everyone was going ape over Sonic and co. being overwhelmed by "2 lines of badniks," when Sonic has been able to blast through a whole army of robots in the past.

 

Please look at the cutscene again. When the Zeti point towards Sonic and Eggman to open fire, a barrage of lasers bursts forward from behind the Deadly Six. If you pay attention, the set of Buzzbombers and Snail Blasters are in front of them.

 

There is a whole other group of badniks that are visually unaccounted for. Sonic, Tails and co. are fighting not only badniks visible, but an untold amount badniks in the background. At least enough to make it rain fire.

[Space☆Tomoki]

Something I noticed about the cutscene.

 

Everyone was going ape over Sonic and co. being overwhelmed by "2 lines of badniks," when Sonic has been able to blast through a whole army of robots in the past.

 

Please look at the cutscene again. When the Zeti point towards Sonic and Eggman to open fire, a barrage of lasers bursts forward from behind the Deadly Six. If you pay attention, the set of Buzzbombers and Snail Blasters are in front of them.

 

There is a whole other group of badniks that are visually unaccounted for. Sonic, Tails and co. are fighting not only badniks visible, but an untold amount badniks in the background. At least enough to make it rain fire.

Which makes sense, because I'd imagine Eggman had hundreds of those badniks scattered across Desert Ruins alone.

[Kuzu]

Honestly, I've never seen Tails on Sonic's, or hell even Amy's, level of strength. Throughout the series, he leaves the most of the fighting to the heavy hitters; which makes sense. If I was friends with people who could, among other abilities; run faster than sound, punch through stone and steel without breaking a sweat, summon a hammer from nowhere, and my greatest physical aspect was just twirling my tails to attain a limited amount of flight then I wouldn't fight that much either. This even translates to gameplay, in classics Tails is vastly inferior to Sonic and Knuckles aside from his flight.

 

The Adventure series established that Tails` greatest strength are his strategical skills; in both he's the ones who comes up with most of the plans and builds the gadgets the heroes use to save the day, and only fighting when he has no other option. So its not so much that Tails doesn't fight, its the fact that he doesn't fight or contribute anything of note when he's easily capable of doing so.

[LordMetallix]

Okay so finally, after being gone a few weeks I can catch up on Lost World info post Comic-con and give my thoughts on the game so far. First off the Sos trailer.......

WOW just WOW, the visual style looks even better then it had looked up until this point. Now I've went from tolerating this art style to ADORING IT. Everything pops out so nice and smooth, Sonic doesn't blend into the background at all, its looking fantastic, and that Silent Forest stage DAT SILENT FOREST WOW. I have noticed something though, as you see Sonic grinding you see mine carts littered around on rails, can we interact with them ala Underground Zone? And just WHAT THE HELL ARE THOSE SANDWORM THINGS. ALSO

 

 

 

DOES HE ACTUALLY HAVE MOMENTUM PHYSICS, BY THE GODS YES

 

And the music, Tomoya Ohtani you beautiful man you did it again, the music is just GREAT I FUCKING LOVE IT. It reminds me of a mix of Eggman's boss theme and the Dark Gaia Spawn theme mixed with a bit of Colors Final boss. Any worries I had about a potentially bad boss theme were shattered thanks to that.

 

And now the cutscene, OH WHERE DO I BEGIN WITH THIS BEAUTIFUL BEAST. Well first off, the fact that the deadly six have FREAKING MIND CONTROL ABILITIES, is completely INSANE and makes me wonder what other powers that they have. Also the amount going on in the cutscene is reaching Unleashed levels of insanity, ME LIKEY. Orbot and Cubot, Eggman being in actual physical danger, new villains being badass, Sonic actually fighting badniks, and badniks ACTUALLY BEING USEFUL. This has officially become my favorite Sonic cutscene along with the Unleashed intro.

 

Overall everything I have seen about this game is making all the more hyped. From the casino zone and new wisps to a brand new cutscene and level footage, this game makes me more and more happy. The two things that made me love the series as much as I do were the speedy acrobatic gameplay, and the crazy amount of exploration and experimentation you could do with Sonic & co's crazy amount of powers. Whether it be Knuckles glide and digging, Tails flight, or Sonic's bounce attack, homing attack, spindash and other powers, I just LOVED to experiment and see what other crazy things I could do in the levels in both the genesis games and the Adventure games. 

 

Sadly after Adventure 2 the abilities they had were slowly drawn away and watered down and the linearity went off the charts leading me to leave the series for some time with the kick to the balls that was 06 aiding in that regard. Unleashed returned to that somewhat, adding a wall jump, stomp, airdash, and boost. BUT was limited to linear hallways with minimal paths and boxed in areas completely killing one of my favorite parts of the series, which the story and music made up for thankfully. Colors had more platforming but a little to linear still but made me excited thanks to the potential of the wisps for experimentation which I did a HELL of a lot of. Which sadly can only be done at that point in that level which wasn't enough for me. Generations had better level design but took things like the wall jump and lightspeed dash and nerfed the FUCK out of them killing the exploration factor for me. The levels themselves made up for it though but sadly had to deal with a lacking story which thankfully had a damn good soundtrack.

 

When Lost World was announced and I saw all of my favorite Sonic abilities return along with some HARDCORE PARKOUR, I felt a bit of a spark of hype and excitement. The last time that I had that was when I played Adventure 2 for the first time and explored and enjoyed the hell out of it and experimented like crazy. This game has hyped me more than any game since Sonic Adventure 2's original reveal and is looking to finally return to what made me love this series in the first place. Think about that, this is the most hyped I have been for a Sonic game in 12 years. 12 YEARS

 

If what we have seen so far is any indication of the quality of the rest of the game then this game is gonna be something special that we haven't seen in a long time.

 

Now all of this is of course MY OPINION, I know many of you do not feel this way and actually hate what they are doing with the series now, I understand how you feel, it's how I felt during the period of 2003-2009. 

 

While I don't think that this game will beat out Sonic 3 or Adventure for me, I honestly can say that it seems that this will be the most fun I have had with the series in a LONG time. 

 

So tl;dr

 

This game looks fucking amazing, and this is the most hyped I have been for a Sonic game in 12 years.

 

 

GET ON THE HYPE TRAIN

 

 

AND MAKE IT RAIN!

[SilentDoom]

I don't quite understand the whole hoo har of "OMG 3D MOMENTUM PHYSICS".  Newsflash people, barring Heroes, Shadow and 06 EVERY 3D Sonic game has had decent 3D momentum physics.  It's more of a case of them being under utilised because the boost was a thing.  They were there in the game though.

[Tani Coyote]

SEGA treating Tails as a support guy who never does any actual fighting himself makes me worry taht we're never going to get a playable Tails again because he'll just be standing at the sidelines.

Well, Iizuka said he wanted to rebuild the brand before getting adventurous with different playstyles. While it's still just Sonic in Lost World, it looks like they're mashing up playstyles a bit, even if all are fast...

I'd say the future holds promise for other playable characters. They just want to discard the idea "Sonic is crap" from gamers' minds first.

 

Please look at the cutscene again. When the Zeti point towards Sonic and Eggman to open fire, a barrage of lasers bursts forward from behind the Deadly Six. If you pay attention, the set of Buzzbombers and Snail Blasters are in front of them.

 

There is a whole other group of badniks that are visually unaccounted for. Sonic, Tails and co. are fighting not only badniks visible, but an untold amount badniks in the background. At least enough to make it rain fire.

Ah, thank you for pointing that out! There is definitely way, way more of an army than is seen, and between it and the Six' psychic powers I think it's obvious that even if Tails wasn't in danger Sonic could have been overwhelmed. It explains the alliance with Eggman all too well; loathe as Sonic would be to admit it, he's not invincible and sometimes you need someone else's help to get anywhere. Even your archenemy's.

Plus it sounds like Tails was disabled in some manner, which means Eggman could be picking up the slack in terms of technological assistance.

Edited August 8, 2013 by Ogilvie Maurice

[Celestia]

Plus it sounds like Tails was disabled in some manner, which means Eggman could be picking up the slack in terms of technological assistance.

...What if there was a Sky Chase-esque level with Eggman flying the Tornado.

 

What if.